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today is Thursday februari ninth 2012 my name is Stephen bicho I am Rafe Needleman I am Donald Bell and i am brian Tong welcome to cnet's podcast of indeterminate length it is episode 1560 I am joined here in the house with the boys of bol Rafe coming back I didn't they come back for this week yep I appreciate your I couldn't leave you here all knowledge I know and also Donald bell he's been working in here we have we're here last week right I was talking about how much I don't know anything about Pinterest back for more we will get to your Pinterest comments which is the Stone Age this is the wrong demographic to be here in the time this is doing a show about Pinterest unnecessarily I mean according to our voicemails and emails that might tell us a little different but those guys thanks for coming to the show also everyone here in the live chat room at live cnet.com you guys can interact while we're talking ask us questions and just be part of the community so we appreciate you guys all for coming out there but we're going to start things off in today's leading headline that you just can't escape Apple akoya all things D will be reportedly unveiling the ipad 3 the first week of March this will allegedly or purportedly happen here in San Francisco at the yerba buena center of the arts where they've typically held their big events and we're expecting to see something may be similar in form factor with a new processor but a kind of to support this new revelation that everyone's going crazy for right you weren't you kind of like squealing in our in our pre-show I don't squeal no not it not in nineteen of other man you were the only one squeal and Brian okay there wasn't me yeah it was nearly down so it's so what I mean what can Apple do I mean they can't make it they can't change the form factor radically it's just they just got to keep ahead with the guts to keep ahead more extend from the Android crowd I love how also this is like a rumor that could have been done March of last year yeah when they in Vail the ipad 2 in early march of 2011 mr. sir is our prediction 2012 there'll be an invading of the ipad in early March judge that I mean that's that's what the joke was grab all this because it's coming from all things D or is becoming coming from you know yeah it's so a woman squad core we're here first we heard it was gonna be quad core may or may not but it looks like maybe not who knows I don't know I'm not even gonna say I'm not even to throw that around because none of us in this room no no we don't know jack about the eye but there was think it's interesting to me is it you know the I the iphone 4s came out and it was the best selling iphone in the history of the universe uh and it was basically a really good upgrade but it wasn't revolutionary it was just revolutionary good I mean seriously under the hood and the ipad 3 I mean is it going to be the same thing it can it do to sales what the iphone 4s did over the iphone 4 if I just don't know if they drop the price a little a mite which although I'm not really what the visitor will do precisely but they don't have to do anything the worst thing Apple could do would be to screw up the lead they already if you established and seemed to be like absolutely invincible in face of everyone trying to unseat them in the tablet market I mean you know what everyone is expecting you know I don't think anyone is expecting great huge things from the ipad 3 from what we've seen another Apple technology you know we're expecting to see a higher density possible you know higher-resolution display we're expecting to see Siri integrated and a faster processor and possibly a better camera if that's what they bring to the table that's good enough yeah like really I don't think anyone's going to say that you're gonna have the people that are still haven't purchased an ipad yet that we're waiting on Christmas Eve everyone will complain but I still be the highest selling ipad the ipad 2 s it's what a little bit i pad HD who knows what they're gonna call it so now then they will drop prices by the way on the ipad 2 right so you want you'll have you know fifty dollars they look like 18 different models of iPad as there are right now at fifty dollars between each one so no matter what I was researching yesterday what the current going prices for a refurbished ipad one is and the lowest price like the the 16 gig model is still like three hundred and forty dollars you Teresa yes L value I that's not an icon right there's a career i mean if you just even like you said scour eBay there's a crazy the aftermarket for just Apple products across the board yeah there was a survey done recently the show that I don't know the exact numbers but the resale values of smartphones for that were exactly the same age was like twice as high for iPhones vs android phones it's like the Toyota Camry of phones it's actual wrong I resold my iphone one for the same price i bought it for things like two or three hundred dollars you just have to get locked in a contract yeah yeah so also I you know if you guys want to take a peek at what this ipad 3 might look like it seems like there's a fire sale on the ipad 3 rear housing that's i'm popping up everywhere in multiple sites in different forms so Donald you did a little story about yeah and I wanted to make an iPad but joke out of the being the rear of the ipad but i didn't seem in good taste ipad idea i want so i thought i'd mentioned that i thought about here where a good taste well we have some ipad 3 booty shots right there you go that could have been the headline but now the the it looks like i see if you got all the pimples their circle it's got all the pimples right the pimples are circled the circle pimples are there too as the evidence that the different shape of the internal you know the inside of the back panel here shows that the little screw holes for that would hold the the logic board onto the the back panel here is smaller which would lead you to think that it's not using the same you know processor holds Millar scaled down hopefully in a six process it's also leading some to believe that it's not going to be a dual core quad core sorry quad core processor because the side size would not allow for that but then it would also mean bigger battery different camera because the the actual camera look like the location has carved out in a different way yeah you can read the tea leaves here and get some idea that it's going to be a different panel different camera different processor bigger battery I think ultimately the the big thing is it's the form factor pretty much other than a few tweaks externally like the camera looks unchanged but and also i'm getting a rectangle oh my god but even more even more on this topic see they move the camera just enough so that you're still gonna have to buy new cases for new accessories it's part of how they do things with this whole ecosystem so anyways we're only what three 3 four weeks away first week a March mark it on your calendar get excited or whatever open up your wallet and last year the ipad 2 came out about a week or week and a half after their announcement so mate so there might be similar similar timetable but there is no official or you know no one has found out when they will really be bringing the hardware to the market so that's the apple stuff on to kind of some other great things and things changing up in the media streaming business yesterday there were reports earlier in the week that this was going to happen but Amazon wrapped up a deal with Viacom bringing content from networks like MTV Nickelodeon Comedy Central vh1 and more and really bottom line two thousand new titles to the Amazon Prime instant video service which is now grown quite nicely and yes they're knocking on netflix is door with their integration of this in the prime service yeah and also ties into the kindle fire you know the stream streaming on demand a integration there so it's another thing that amazon can brag about compared to the competition now what I still would love them to do is to release and they have this on video app that can be downloaded onto other Android tablets you know what I would like is an Amazon video app for my iPad hey I don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon but I mean seriously just the other night I was like and I've got all this whole new entertainment crap in my house a new TV and you know Roku and all that but I wanted to watch drive oh yeah yeah in bed and that is the iPad device and that's that's the you know yeah I don't have a TV in my bedroom because that's you know I don't have traction I bet but I do have an iPad and the one and n drive is only available drive isn't available on Netflix but it is on prime for rental but there is no way to stream yeah that's not going to happen though is it I'm gonna have to get a fire well see what Amazon could do because you know they've been really liberal about putting their apps on on other platforms although you can't rent directly from that I wouldn't be surprised at least if you could see an Amazon Prime app that's only for the free content that stream just like Netflix because Netflix does it right you have that subscription you just have to plug in you know get access to the app they could do that but when it comes to rentals of new content it'll probably be a thing where you have to go to their website it unlocks it and then you can use the app at least to view it but the transaction won't happen within the app they could do that make your score the website and do it exactly but they could do that yeah they could the question is does does Amazon want to sell a Fire's or do they want to sell content if they want to sell content they gotta put as much of it as possible on the iPad I mean they have a kindle app for the ipad which is great I use it all the time but they don't have a streaming viewer for the ipad yet that's come come on amazon there's a lot of people out there who would buy your content and they're not going to buy a fiery absolutely so Amazon Viacom I'm hooking up in other thread hijack sorry right jack good I like it okay another Street and other streaming media news HBO has decided to invest in a netflix kind of a look-alike from australia they call themselves quick flicks and that that's deserves a chuckle because remember netflix initially had announced their Qwikster service for DVDs Netflix's name is netflix take the two together and what do you get quickflix quick flicks so um Netflix hasn't really as an established a market in Australia yet but this is part of HBO at least looking to experiment and getting involved in you know creating their own streaming service Netflix even intimated Reed Hastings in December that HBO and Netflix would possibly in the future look a lot like each other this is a step into that direction we've seen HBO at the moment offer their HBO Go service right as a complementary piece if you have a subscription but having a standalone streaming service obviously would change the game for them and make them into even more direct competitor but also see Netflix step in making their own content to right yeah with some of those deals we haven't seen them yet but uh hopefully we'll start seeing some of that stuff in the next maybe six months to what everybody's in this direction I mean it's just a matter of time no broadcast TV is going to go away at some point it's all going to be bits and the streaming model is the right model just the transition is really difficult because it's expensive and you've got these the whole companies all businesses set up for one way and to move to the other way just is really hard but I can't wait I mean I just think it's great no go HBO and do me a favor HBO make what is it HBO Go make that available without having to also have a cable subscription well that sounds the hook right now that's the hook right now right we we know that the other thing that with all these things shifting over you know we're right now in the transitional period but once these apps start coming out and people transition to using these apps or getting access to these services I've got to wonder if we'll eventually start seeing data caps on our actual cable service you know our home service of everything we start doing become streaming the natural progression for those companies is to now put in data caps if that's if that's how we're consuming our content I mean it sounds crazy but it could happen it could download these down the line 34 years baby yeah well happened then we'll have the argument again about blocking the internet and then the cable guys will want the services that they're invested in to come through you know with for free or with no not counting towards your caps and then it'll be the whole what do you call that stratifying the internet or you know the different tiers yet like the end of the program tears it could be something we're like there's peak hours you know maybe you could have some serious that downloads like caches your predicted content that you going to want to watch on off-peak hours and you could watch bad the thing is if all you're doing is watching to this going off the rails I like it if all you're doing is watching let's make the new content you know one or two shows at a time for three or four hours at a time during it and that's you know being generous in a house that's a lot of data but it's not that much of a lot of data so it should be an amount of data that would fit under any reasonable cap you know a couple hundred gigabytes or something over a month with as as bandwidth increases uh this should not be a problem we're not talking about downloading the entire 500 channels at once because you don't need to you just want to stream what you're watching live it shouldn't be that hard it's here's the thing it shouldn't be the problem but you you even look at how we've seen the cell carriers and how do you know they do their data caps but also when you look at something like okay text messaging technically should it be charged additionally because it's using the same network right all right cable and downloading these these movies or these services in the future it shouldn't be a problem but it doesn't mean they're not gonna split them yeah I mean if the question is what comcast find a way to screw us in the future I think the answer is yes it was making the argument that not going to try to you know go down screaming and crying I'm not so sure they will I mean the internet is not i mean the the service the internet service providers verizon comcast goes or the wired connections i mean they're you know a little evil and the carriers though I mean that's a whole different level of today there's lave leveled up into new I mean ten dollars in SMS or ten cents an SMS and that's just wrong so uh i don't know i mean i have comcast and it's actually pretty good yeah i mean if we look in the chat room we have you know one over one of our people in the chat shade are saying with the family of four and that's the thing that to consider right with some of these larger families that are already going over there 150 gig per month limit so it's as we transition i mean it's it's realistic that that will change but we'll see i mean all these things these are all wheels that are moving in that direction another streaming little story that we have here verizon teaming up with the red box red box is known for their DVD kiosks DVD and blu-ray kiosks that you can find like grocery stores near 7-11 they're teaming up with red box to offer a video streaming service that they're hoping to launch sometime in the second half of 2012 an on-demand video streaming service verizon will own sixty-five percent the new joint venture red box will own the rest and red box is owned by parent company coinstar who not only owns those kiosks but also there's a cool little coin redemption I've actually used those a few times yeah I gotta pay that comcast bill somehow right so um you know this verizon they've if they integrated this into their into their phones because we know how verizon loves to litter their mobile phones with verizon apps good and for the most part it's been pretty crappy yeah anyone will tell you that of the delivery method even the quality in general this would this would be another kind of verizon's already killing it with their 4g network yeah if they start rolling this out in addition it's just another reason to jump on board with them could get verizon as opposed to as opposed to 18 I don't know I still want my my media service company to be different from my pipe company well even I mean it's okay to be different but just the fact that what if verizon says we offer X amount of programs for free maybe not but let's just say as part of being verizon user they have the best 4g network right now i mean it it's one of those things where when push comes to shove in someone's looking at carriers they might say oh yeah just it's a good move for verizon so so it could be like amazon's free Vinay demand stuff for for people who are prime members yeah I mean it would be it would be an interesting play so also just in a kind of a related story of also a coinstar and the whole red box phenomena they also picked up they purchased all of blockbusters kiosks because blockbuster themselves have had their own chaos they've been struggling revenue why's red boxes agreed to buy their entire collection it was a deal for 100 million dollars to acquire those branded kiosk currently they added around nine thousand machines with this deal to its existing 35,000 machine base red box has really been the one that has seen progress in DVD rentals when the industry as a whole is dropped twelve percent for a combined sorry I combined DVD and blu-ray sales we drop twelve percent but everyone's you know writing these things for like a buck 50 a night something crazy like that so redbox not only physically increasing their footprint but also getting into eventually getting to the streaming business that's smarty pants yeah it's morning eventually those kiosks go away but they're writing their how long though oh who knows but and but I mean I don't know if you but eventually they have to go why they're just they're just writing the curve writing it down you know there could be it could be one of those things where the kiosk is always there is something magical I didn't really face about any of them you know yeah I do use them you know okay I'm saying I wouldn't I wouldn't think that I might be the quote unquote typical customer because I'm so all what there's nothing is all about you thank you thanks my mom told me that too but um you know the convenience of it it's it's it's pretty slick yeah I don't have to wait for nephew know what's really convenient lying back on the couch with like you know Cheetos propped up on your belly and going you click Cheetos on your belly no I'm saying that would be convenient I don't want to see that or imagine that picture right yeah big fleshy belly covered in this is so many naughty pic cheeto dust oh don't let your don't like the finger and roll up and just with it with your sheet OE fingers just on the remote which is all encrusted you go click x and you're watching TV it's awesome going on to who wants to go out of the house forget it it's a beautiful image you look beautiful image also getting out of the streaming business and this was kind of a little surprise Paul McCartney is removing all of his tracks from his collections from Spotify Rdio and rhapsody just a few days after releasing his new album lovely titled kisses on the bottom kisses on the bottom of your iPad I don't understand this unless this has got to be a negotiating move because this makes absolutely no sense for a musician in the modern world oh that's it that's what we thought in donald donald brothers up here I having just in my own little experiment with my own band like I get reports from TuneCore that handles all the getting music called the different you know digital download sites and and iTunes money like the money you make off of selling even one track off of itunes is still it's so much more than what you get off of the half of a penny off of any kind of stream from any of these other services like the promises of course that once people get hooked on streaming services that then you know artists can push and demand a better royalty from these people but as it exists now it's is like just little minor percentages of a penny just get a song screened off of you know something like Spotify it'll take somebody like a Paul McCartney saying like no this is a joke in order for I think artists to get a better percentage of a streaming royalty right so it is so it is a very visible way to say look we the the streaming services are not good for musicians right itunes was streaming not so much streaming not so much I'm sure so yeah yeah I mean I was I would just kind of think when I first read this i was thinking of the same thing like why would they just pull out all of a sudden i pay nine bucks a month and spotify and it's not helping musicians now that chaps me actually yeah i'm not happy about the promise that thing for musicians of for up-and-coming musicians is that services like spotify have a much better viral kind of reach where people see that you're listening to this artist and they want to go check it out but someone like Paul McCartney doesn't need like a viral campaign to get him hit him popular people listen to his music he can afford to do this good for you put in that case good for you Paul also just as a heads up in case I thought it might have been related but probably but it looks like it may not be necessarily Paul McCartney is also doing a live concert exclusively through itunes and the Apple TV later today as of this thursday i think it's around somewhere like 7pm or something like that so anyways if you're interested you can check that out for free that's cool yeah so so don't want anyone catch me listening to an album called kisses on the bottom I'm sorry sir paul sir paul can happen um i jumped ahead but this is also kind of not kind of it is important to mention that the end of an era kodak which we had talked about who filed for bankruptcy earlier to try and save their business Eastman Kodak has announced today that is put an end to its camera business by the end of june of this year kodak expects to phase out its digital cameras you know what's interesting pocket can codec was never a camera company now there's always been a film company i'll codec did make cameras they made a lot of cameras but there was the razor and razor blade model they were always to push their film business and digital killed film obviously so what does a camera company do when it's set up basically to make money from consumables does this yeah they plan to focus heavily on their brand licensing not sure how much that that's going for right now but also really more than anything that trying to attract companies that might need some of their patents codec will still offer their kodak gallery online service and their retail based photo printing its inkjet printers will remain on shelves yes for a long long long time so you know satin used to hear but it's just the way the industry is changing so say goodbye to your Kodak little Z camera little little portable play sports and all that alright guys we're gonna take a quick break but when we come back we have plenty of Google News Google plane in the cloud even some more also path you know it's it's a little a few days after everything went down but what actually happened with that and Steve Jobs and the FBI they want to know a little bit about them back in the day we'll talk about all that when we return alright guys welcome back to buzz out loud joining me in the house this week Rafe mr. Rafe Needleman here in smiling da Nobel in the house as well as also mr. Stephen beachy i'm running the boards howdy good morning I was pumping you up a little more than there you go all right all right back to the stories guys we have a little bit of google news in the Google block google is close to launching a cloud storage service rivaling dropbox according to The Wall Street Journal this is like Dropbox Google's service they're going to call it drive and it's their response to the internet connected mobile devices and storage space for your files and documents and get them anywhere anytime now he's smiling I find this so curious I've written a lot about synchronized Dropbox competitors CX sugar sings box calm now and the thing about this business is that it's terminal I mean it's still growing but you can see the cliff we're all crashes because everybody is saving things more and more we've got Spotify for streaming music we hope your documents are stored in Google Docs your photos are being stored on Picasso or wherever and new cameras are coming along that automatically upload your photos your videos are being streamed over the web the only thing that you really really need in the future so far that you only really really need a local storage for is home movies and even that over time goes away so the the need to have a quote file storage system it's just it's terminal business and I find it so interesting that everybody's chasing it well even google has their music locker service to was music beta for handling your music so yeah it's it is what I mean if it's just you know it's not it's not gonna sound like a megaupload or something like that if you want to share a move like a full-length pirated movie with somebody else that's a different story there's a different service for that I mean for myself because I do use Google Docs sometimes that little primarily work for my personal stuff I do use the drop box but I don't see that I mean more and more people once they realize you know Google Docs has gotten a lot better it's it's a more than usable incapable service and yeah sometimes it has little hiccups here and there but for the most part it's a completely usable service I don't I'm one of the few people that still use this Dropbox thing once in a while but there's no there's really no need to per se not not a not a high need for it there's other ways you can go about why not just email your email your file year so I made it from anywhere any place to right now drop box and all the competitors to it are really valuable and useful it it's just I things are changing and I think Google's doing the right thing we know get me wrong i think that people are still i mean for the next five to five years people are still going to be filed based it's just eventually will reach a point where that slows and starts to decline yeah and maybe google wants to get in and become the infrastructure for all these apps like evernote drink to store their data someplace centralized instead of in their own servers and they'll do an s3 like thing we're certain new businesses can can use the Google infrastructure for storage I don't know the scarier thing looks our ego I just say it also it it comes right into play with Android to like if it's something that Apple's offering like a certain amount of you know cloud-based storage immediately when you pop open and you know boot up your iPhone I mean I think who would want that same service just on a competitive basis the interesting thing about this is you know as an Apple user they had their whole mobileme service and one of their aspects was an idisk where you uploaded files you could get them from anywhere from a pc or mac they're actually removing that aspect of their service while others are bringing it on because they've seen people are migrating to dropbox the big thing here is for companies like dropbox in the others that you mentioned is that google name and the fact that people are already doing Google Docs I mean that's gonna that's I would suspect for me I'm probably going to pull my stuff off of Dropbox and just throw it into my google docs it won't be so easy dropbox is pretty well entrenched it won't be so easy to pull yourself off of dropbox because so many interesting new web services are getting dropbox baked in you know and that's which is drop boxes brilliance is there like open up to the a open up the api's I personally like sugarsync a whole lot better as it as a single product but Dropbox has done a much better job ingratiating itself and warming its way into the new web 20 infrastructure some will see good Google's just you know they have their hands in everything why not right right right right right I got to do it yeah also um in other Google story this one made me laugh because you know everyone's looking to make a little extra money the economy is kind of turning around a little bit Google wants to help you with that by according to a report they'll pay you to track the websites you visit yeah if you'd like that that's what they're planning to do the search giant is promising up to $25 in amazon gift cards if you let them track the websites you visit and how you use them through a project known as screen wise it's an extension that you that you install into your browser specifically the Chrome browser that monitors every site you check in and out of oh yeah I'm installing this right away twenty-five dollars in amazon gift cards I'll tell you why up when my kid turns uh like 10 11 12 then i'm signing up for this so i can see what he's doing you can't but google well enough oh well guys unfortunately at you know this article is posted early this morning the demand for this has been so large that you can't at the moment get into their screen wise page I don't get this and 25 bucks to have your privacy completely wrecked I mean I just don't get it but you know what the site was my privacy is worth a lot more than the sick twisted part about is there's a lot of people that still don't value that right to them it's like $25 surf the web this is okay with that let's let's not make fun of this is actually how we're all going to make money in the future we'll all be Google's you know little slaves and were going to drive our google map cars around to be able to give updates to Google Maps you know with our Google branding on the side and we'll wear our Google t-shirts and we'll have google live feeds you are absolutely right and it just paints a picture of why are we here next week on existential chat so also the screen wise kind of initiative or program that they have going on extends even further in return for collecting website data on every PC in your home by and stalling a dug data collector a data collector router with in addition the chrome extension ARS technica says google is also planning a program that will pay you 100 dollars just for signing up and then twenty dollars a month for as long as you'll participate to kind of cover some of those cable those cable modem fee set your pain off I'm sorry people are willing that just I mean that you're selling really you're selling a little bit of your soul to google to enable them to come outside your home and look at all this look this just in feels those gonna pay you two hundred dollars if they can send somebody to your house to take your blood right to be wow please p into this google com that's right the jalebis links are giving you a thousand bucks for a finger FYI the screen wise program is strictly opt-in for now for now um you know we've seen google kind of entrench in the you know how they're dealing with customers privacy and the privacy is a hot buzz buzz word an issue right now in the tech sector but wow the the fact that people are more than willing to do this kind of boggles my mind a little bit i does not a sad it's kind of sad it's sad more than anything not confused me what it's sad I guess it is interesting that we have this this you know dual nature where where we at on one side completely criticize google for invading our privacy and then the other side we jump at the chance to have them do it for twenty dollar gift card well it shows for those be right Donal your absolute right I mean it does show the real difference between what we as pundits you know kvetch about and what people out there in the real world yeah really care about you know we are I mean we are in a bit of a bubble here and what we say is important other people like 25 bucks for nothing sure right I guess I I think the only part that upsets me is that they're just that my privacy is worth so good you know like if if the privacy is the thing I'm defending into the end until the right price comes along $25 amazon gift card you can you can do better than that people you know what you're actually raising a very valid point which is that Google's data is going to be a little bit skewed towards people who view their privacy has not worked being worth very much so all those super high value people like you would be like no my she's worth more than that so Google's not gonna know what people are really doing because guys like you're gonna be saying no way Stephen were harping on this would you do it I would not do it no i don't but is this this is only for like a certain amount of time that only for like a week will track yours well that was it but then they said that the extension of that is a program where they install a router and then you get a hundred dollars and then twenty dollars per month to be a part of this more long-term that's what they're that's what they're yeah that sounds annoying i don't think i would that's crazy that is crazy nano monitors in your drinks when they say drink the kool-aid they're going to mean it right alright also just in a quick little update with google guten the google world you probably already heard that they finally released their Chrome browser for android devices very nice and in addition to that development I haven't I haven't been able to play with it so I really don't have any it's really good you like it it's fast it's an awesome chrome should be yes I put on my my galaxy nexus super-prime whatever oh yeah we should also say it's only for ice cream sandwich yeah yeah yeah and how's that how's the tab browsing you like it yeah it's really a good imitation and I like the fact that the bookmarks that i have already synced between my pcs over chrome sync are now on my browser that's kind of sweet that is pretty smooth on my mobile also just FYI chrome for android also will not be getting any flash support in case you were wondering why maybe some of those little fashion sites that you visit Rafe weren't running properly yeah I was really eating at me yeah so uh but you can you know you can you can pin pictures of clothes that you want instead I just I just go to your Pinterest populate I have everything there I actually I'd only put two little tech goodies on my pictures I'm trying to refuse or somehow make my clothing pinterest board private I don't want people to see that but I want to close you don't see what you wear I don't the why do you dress like that now well because you don't know about Brian tongues gothic lolita thing oh that's totally private that I should not have actually brought up on the show now that I'm thinking about it yeah that was that was actually special access idea all right on we talked a little bit about privacy Rafe yes sir you've been writing a lot about this whole oh god I thought I was done with the past you're done with it but you know let's just talk about path in the hole iphone address uploading but right just what you know summarized in the Countess of you okay so path is this little social network is a very private social network if that makes any sense so it's for sharing you know real intimate moments like i got up at this time i drive it as airport by intimate i don't mean it that way pervert is a little bit just yeah so with with your close friends and it's a very popular service it's a very beautiful very good service among the geek elite now the problem that path had is that in order for a social network like this to grow you really want to know when your friends join up or when they're on board so what path was doing was when you installed the iphone app they were taking your iphone address book and uploading it to the path servers so they could do matching when new people joined that were in your address book and then they would you know send you a way to have them join up that's how they help the network grow but the problem was they didn't ask their users if they were okay with with path storing a copy of their iphone address book and when that was revealed they got in big big big trouble among people who care about such things so people giving up their you know their web browsing activities at Google they want to care uh yeah it was a $25 gift card cutting that's right yeah well they're venture-funded they could afford anyway so what happened was dave morin the CEO path put up a blog post saying we are so very very sorry we are putting up a new version of path which makes this an opt-in and furthermore we're deleting all of the data that we have up but we have downloaded from you guys from from our users we're just wiping it all out so if you want it up there you have to start over and authorize it it's just the store and then it played out that earlier in 2010 he had said we do not upload or store any data then Gawker put up a story saying he's a big fat liar of course at the time that he wrote that mail saying we don't do that they weren't actually doing it that came later so I came later with the newest release but I can't cut a break I mean I what what's interesting about this is that what he did was wrong and it actually technically may have violated the terms of service that Apple has with developers Apple of course makes didn't do much to protect that from happening they do protect location data but they don't protect contact data in the same way so they'll probably change that and uh yeah it's just been a bad day was a really bad day for path yeah we put up a little poll on the article that you wrote after their apology about how people would be reacting yeah to this and with the options where is paths apology enough you know if a is it's an it's enough for me thanks Dave be no I'll never trust path again see I don't see what the fuss was about and after voting with this you know kind of smaller sample size but still good enough 55-percent people of the respondent said no I'll never trust path again yeah say people people don't like that they don't like not they don't like non-trans opaqueness path should have been way more clear about what they were doing and why they were just running so fast they got ahead of themselves and it was a big mistake and it's hard I doubt that they intentionally have a right to do that like maliciously I don't know no look I've interviewed Dave Morin who's a CEO of path and uh i believe i really believe him talking to him and seeing what he's been trying to do and watching path be developed that he's actually trying to build a good service and not trying to steal people's data as not what this company is about however he screwed up yeah you know and people are not for people are not very forgiving on the net especially when they can hide behind pseudonyms and say is it you know rotten jerk get it just let it go are you all for real names on the internet I think Facebook is onto something with that hmm all right also if you want to talk about you know identifying yourself knowing who you really are if you guys heard about this story the FBI did a background report back in the day around nineteen ninety-one on Apple co-founder Steve Jobs the late Steve Jobs after he was considered for an appointment on George HW Bush's president export council so they've released some of these the actual report it's it's a long report and it just I don't know if it necessary veiled anything we didn't know about jobs but you know everyone kind of had a little fun with it just the fact that he could have been on the export council he would have been great well what's the was the question than what the number one the thing that kind of came out of this is when they directly asked them are you a communist I'm surprised that I mean I saw that in the in the PDF there I'm surprised that is still a question that we ask people but that's not for the topic for this show I like how it's an x mark yes or no in an xbox right that's like a Rico thing have you evaded any taxes it's like I don't know have you have you ever been was it have you ever been a member of any type of group or organization which plans to overthrow our government well apples worth more than our government right now so much he could have probably said yes on that one so anyways it's like a 50-page report if you really want to look at it all I chose not to it's fun it's all your tax dollars at work you know they could have just read the Isaacson book they would have said you know but this was ten years ago I was over that was a long time ago 28-20 it was it 20 years ago really yeah 91 how little he has changed had changed sorry alright guys so we got a little bit of science news to you brought to you by our buddy Steven Beecham's so this is very interesting story some scientists and researchers at the University of Berkeley headed by Brian Paisley have discovered how to read people's minds and convert convert their brain waves into actual audible sound those people never do that yeah yeah I can't read minds but I think in the future we're going to be able to read minds so basically they've been able to isolate in the brain where we actually hear different frequencies so our brains process different frequencies like there's one specific part of our brain that'll like here 1,000 Hertz and another part that'll here like five thousand Hertz so they've been able to manipulate that into actually producing an audible sound so I actually have a sound of them reading someone's brain so I'll really have for you right now yeah that's pretty interesting that does not sound that mercial huh but anyway this is your brain on alcohol right yeah yeah so uh basically here it is here is Waldo Oh structure your doubt Oh property okay so that is the computer interpreting someone's thoughts and turning it into an audible sound that you can hear and perceive and make out so what's the phrase was the first part what the actual person said and then they played how the brain actually interacts I said right so the clear woman was talking and then the then the computer is reading their brainwaves and repeating it back to them what were they hooked up to to do this were they in a scanner of some sort yeah I think they just let electrodes and you know like tons of wires and cables I'm not exactly sure they don't really go into that to the article but it is you know thought police are coming soon so I mean the cops going to look at you and be able to scan what you're thinking I like the yeah I like the metaphor they use for it to where there was like musician looking at someone playing the piano but the stands off the musician would be able to detect just by what notes were being played visually what the sound would be so that's kind of the same way they're making the connections between you know seeing their the actual you know electrons yeah they're saying so like if when you read a sentence if you just read it you don't say it out loud your brain produces the sound inside your head so you're like hearing yourself talk so that's that's what they're trying to that's what they're trying to isolate here and create into an audible sound so next week Google will pay you to wear the electro cap on your head so that they can hear your thumb imine I think I guys be quiet i'm hearing my brain thing good recording anything there brian just all blank right now but I'm trying all right guys we want to hear what you guys have to say about our show last week we asked you about Pinterest um we got a lot of responses so let's just see what we have in the feedback you know we were trying to figure out who pinterest really is for some people say women some people say guys a lot of people say women but we have some voicemails from Erin in champaign and others of you that will help us clear this up hey guys they're in for champagne i was calling in regards to the last week's show or yes this week's show about pinterest i just heard about it here not too long ago but i'm actually getting married in about six months and my fiance is beings using pinterest like a crazy woman to figure out like a design for our wedding invitations for centerpieces for the tables different ideas for cakes and all this other stuff so like our whole wedding is almost being planned by pinterest so i'm not into it some of the craft stuff that people at church and friends are do your kind of cool but not exactly it dude thing so what if you might do since on up interest of the show let's not let's not make too many assumptions crafts can be dude things I feel model rockets with my time saying then that considered dia I mean I thought I'd another reader wrote in DIY craft stuff is being on pinterest as well what other things do you craft um you are you a scrapper your youness scrapbooking right luckily you look like a scrapper I'm not I'm not be scrapping I'm okay it sounds very don't kind of dirty the way you said I did not Donald scrapping no not so much but I do feel like a lot of the DIY project stuff for dudes there's already like instructables and make magazine and that kind of I don't know why I would need a separate site to build there is something about the way Pinterest is like a pinboard of you tag or thumbs up are there and by the way go to pinterest calm pinterest.com / cnet somebody here set up a scene at Pinterest of page which is kind of cool um it's there's something about the design yeah I gotta get flamed honest I'm going to get totally flame on this or something about the interaction design the UFC directrix line that really appeals to women wait you know it does it's the demographics bear it out and I you know flame me as much as you want it just look at the numbers it is huge I was I was going to I was gonna agree and I thought you were gonna say that you like the UI I think it's a beautiful you are but I never use it it doesn't appeal to me at a basal ganglia levels like yeah okay but it is working in the other demographic and its really really interesting to show to see that they're big a difference there is there yeah all right now we have another call from a gentleman who wants to tell us how he feels about Pinterest hey guys just want to let you know love the show my wife just showed me pinterest during the Super Bowl we don't have any interest in Pinterest I'm not actually a dude and my wife described it as great ideas that girls can give one other so there you go have a good one I feel like Molly would have to say something when the guy had to clarify i'm actually a dude I think we got that just just let you know okay um also someone else is called in to say he might have found what the purpose of Pinterest really is hey guys just wanted to tell you what I thought about Pinterest I try to join but you have to be part of Facebook or Twitter and I want to like have all that noise in my life but my girlfriend like daily is like wanted me to build something she saw on pinterest or cook something she's on pinterest and I'm kind of over it thank you i have you put on the fit yet and i'm tired of it yeah it's like he's making my girlfriend asked me to do things german girlfriend you're doing it wrong ok throw up there you know some you know chili recipes or stuff like that I'm just saying come on build me this honey yeah hook me this honey wow that's a that's a tough customer there yeah all right um so there you go sim your voice in with Pinterest I guess who will play the last voicemail a little bit but we just wanted to quickly go over some of a couple of the emails that we had one of them was really cool this was sent to us from Nicole and Nicole said hi bol crew I think this sums up pinterest perfectly is this really a great chart off a tumblr she said I have a Pinterest account in I am female but I just don't get it if I want to share something I find online with my friends I do it on facebook or twitter if I want to save something for later i use Instapaper and if i don't want to make something as to buy i do it on amazon I just don't see how pinterest fits in so maybe this is where a man lets exactly let's look at this chart so according to this completely accurate pie chart where we have no source of data collection um it looks like a majority of people on pinterest use it to plan their wedding this is about point two percent men about 0.5% designers want to be foodies and then take some painting their wedding this of course is made up this chart but I have to say still useful I had I have to say just to be clear about that because Brian sometimes I'm not sure but but if pinterest isn't if Pinterest has managed to secure the wedding planning industry wow that good job Pinterest business guys there's no doubt it's not a bad thing oh it's huge that's a really business so all right let's read this other email about Pinterest this one comes to us from Gloria see ladies you need to call in I like how the ladies right but I'd like to hear you calling as well but Gloria writes and says hi buzz crew first I'm a lady so maybe what I have to say is not what you're looking for but i really like Pinterest i'm planning a wedding so I'm pulling together images of flowers and a hairstyles that I really like to help with inspiration I also like to find other recipes pottery I'm a Potter so I like to see what other people are doing with their work and other creative ideas through Pinterest but I can see where it's like a niche and I and market for people who were four people two X chromosomes I do find it overwhelming at times and have trouble with self curation we'll see how it changes as it develops as my fiance who introduced me to bol he said when he discovered I was on the site certain females love Pinterest it's true I didn't want to read the quote directly because I just write it for the first time I had to be really pc appropriate yeah now you you did that all too well yeah yeah that's amazing a lot all right um I'm not gonna do that again but we do have a final a voicemail and then two more emails a final voicemail from our buddy Brett who we get corrected a lot here Brett wanted to make a correction of his own hello this is brett from mission i just wanted to leave a message into reference to love God show last week brian Tong said that Chaka Khan's from the Reading Rainbow theme song when it was really Tina fabric Chaka Khan came on after the laker theme song from 1999-2000 six right love the show thank you yet the wrong season Brian I got schooled what can I say and I think we were also trying to say that it was it was shocked a tongue I had done that right Chuck atomic oh I was i will i'm the gap you're right okay okay rave no I'm too old for this I'm Sesame Street I don't like their company yeahhh mister rogers rogers you having company captain kangaroo oh I go way back hey you kind of look like Captain Kangaroo thank you and your welcome I don't know if that's nice reading by the way thank you all right this comes to us these last two emails this one comes to us from Phillip in hello in response you guys talking about the stickiness of facebook i would have to disagree i've had facebook account for literally two days before i deleted it i actually find it kind of boring hmmm to each its own I guess tillman 845 million people are probably disagreeing with you right now just wanted his drive that out there also this one comes to us from Thomas he says I was going to say I was having a not amazing day and was just cleaning and listening to show then I hear Brian tell some caller how to spell give it calm and Pinterest it made my day I love the jokes all right sorry I'm glad we could offer a service for you like that mental health it's a good thing all right guys I think that's gonna do for our show this week make sure to check out our show notes and all the links to our stories at bol dot cnet com you can call us call us at 800 61 62 63 8 that spells cnet for the last four digits and also email us at buzz at seen calm Rafe thank you very much oh it's always fun he smiles Donald yes thank you very much oh you're welcome you're so pleasant here Stephens running the show holding it down as usual we'll see you guys next week on Thursday same time same bat channel so you guys right have a great weekend