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today is Thursday march first 2012 my name is Stephen Beecham i am brian song and I am hollywood welcome to buzz out loud cnet's podcast of indeterminate length it is episode 15 hundred and eighty 30 and we are super excited because we have some daredevil guests at the top of the show today yeah if you guys were paying attention to see yes there's a lot of buzz around this company called chaotic moon who were showcasing their board of awesomeness so we decided not only are they going to talk about more of the awesome things that working on recently a video kind of leaked out they're showcasing this connect enabled shopping cart and the brains the genus is the crazy minds behind this at chaotic moon we have our buddies Worley and philly early there before we start the show is this uh is do you have a last name is this like a prince thing going on are you that big already like how your tone is like is there something you want to tell you really i don't know why brian l sexy we start talking like that I didn't get sexy to you but some people interpret my voice that way oh no slow down okay so I open source community and it's kind of a handle it made out of my name like a UNIX username which is William Harley and then it was really like crazy mad scientist guy and then it was like whoa that's his first initial last name and years ago and just gave up on using anything else because it kind of doesn't matter anymore anyway so word Lee's business card appropriately enough uh actually says worley evil genius um but I think I mean I think it could probably safely say like evil genius plus daredevil Evel g9 on at least some of the videos that we've seen coming out of chaotic moon tell us a little bit for those who don't know what in the good God's name we're talking about what it is you guys do at chaotic moon so chaotic mood is a pervasive computing company we focus mainly on mobile so we did a bunch of big name maps we did the daily for jobs and Murdock we did Sesame Street the monster this into this book and we have a new games division we launched last year which is converting Xbox titles to you know ads and android ty Wilson stuff like that but at the very end of last year Phil we came on board as our labs manager and phil and i started a new division which is the labs the idea behind that is to kind of go out and do all the things people say can't be done or when you're wondering like where your future is the goal is to have this business you kind of start delivering it and start showing how fast you can innovate and types of things you can innovate you know on that kind of shorter timeframes shorter budgets and bigger results now fill it fills onto wave Phil Phil we want to talk to you Phil because you're a big part of this puzzle to now fill one of the cs really launched you guys at least into the spotlight where people started trying to figure out who you guys are what is cattle mooing oh my gosh this board of awesomeness is amazing the Kinect obviously plays a big part in that first project was that when you came on board was that one of the first things you were trying to push or was it the integration with the connector how we can use the api's to really you know elevate the size of what this device can do really we just wanted to see what we could do how far we could push it basically the Kinect is a is a sensor package and we wanted to see you know what environment we could work with what the the software and the hardware together could do and just to be honest to have a little fun with as well a little so I don't know I assume that I hope everybody watching this has seen the YouTube videos or some of the videos that we did but it is it I mean literally we're talking about just at minimum the first thing we saw out of chaotic moons was a Microsoft Kinect controlled skateboard which has a top speed of 32 miles an hour I wrote it for like a grand total of eleven seconds before executive producer bonnie saw me and told me to get the hell off yeah we both got about like what 10 15 feet on that thing before they say shut it down yeah get off where you're not insured for that kind of thing but so um since then now there is a story that came out this week about the latest thing that you're working on which is the the stocking shopping cart as some people have described it that's not yeah it's not as soon as just as you there enter actually was something in between there that surprisingly some people list but we made a second board which is the board of imagination which is controlled only by the power of your mind um so that's something we'll get you later your pleasure no it's a no it's on our YouTube channel I thought I saw it on YouTube do it blew my mind if you will oh come on now it's pretty cool here's the headset right here but back to the shopping cart that you uh and she discussed yep that's it okay you know what let's skip ahead to that sleep the shopping cart is cool but we have to talk about mind control i mean really like if you were let's not bury the lead yeah you know it's just you know the thing is is we everybody said what could you do after that with the skateboard and so we were joking about shortening the time between the riders thoughts and what they were thinking wanting to do and all of these different control interfaces and what we came up with is we should use an emotive headset and actually convert brain waves into instructions over them and so the guise of the motive guys and gals over there set as a headset and phil and i sat down with it played around and then i spent like 48 hours like mapping my brain waves and figuring things out and and i thought i was special because i thought will only my brain and trigger and what we found out is phil known the team did an amazing job on the software because we're actually out at Venice Beach just yesterday and we were filming a day before and yesterday and random people were able to just hop on it put the headset on think kind of imagine where they want to go and then have the board take them there so so when you say that imagine where they want to go is it a matter of the brain waves stimulating the device and saying go or you're saying go right go left it's a matter it's a matter of well for safety with all these people we don't get them right away again don't speed up but it's a matter of is you literally pick out a point in the distance and you kind of imagine yourself travel at that point and the brain waves you know are basically converted into instructions and then there's a fidget on the board that converts that to electrical signal for the electric motor that's awesome that's all really like yes boys it real quick really can can I get you guys to come out here so I can just control the show with my brain waves and just sit take take camera to camera three totally do that you guys should have us out bring a couple sets and you should have a sound we should find a way to have you control some of the basic parts of show that i standing i think we'll just need a refit reconfigure our entire studio or mind control obviously also i'm gonna need an implant okay go for it so worldly and Phil uh we want to talk about obviously the whole grocery store concept you guys did give us a little you guys did little whisper that you know tumhi SE us but we we kept our side of the bargain and didn't say anything it's true we didn't say anything the time and you know what we kept our side of the bargain didn't say anything either hey you're right you said yeah I mean in fact when the when the demo was given them you know neither of us were really either in them even in the room so we're fever is surprised to see the video as anybody um but you know it is you know it is out there now and so we want to talk to you guys about it first um it's um it's very interesting we have a lot of different projects in the labs on kind of new technologies and new interfaces and one of those projects is this project that Phil and I have been working on around the shopping cart and the idea is to figure out everything from helping people with disabilities to you know making the things smarter to making check out easier we just had a whole list of things we wanted to do and Whole Foods was kind enough to give us a shopping cart now the one you see in the video is not the shopping cart that we designed around we actually designed around the little more square double-decker shopping cart so you know there was a tracking problem in the video part of that is because when Phil and I arrived on site the whole foods in redmond doesn't have those cards they have the green car you see in the video and they have a really super like very large card and so you know things weren't quite as perfect but it works really well with the card is designed for and basically the idea is just kind of proved out some some things and test a mountain we needed a store to Testament you can't just do things in a vacuum you can't just do them in the labs and so we got in contact with Whole Foods there another Austin company their flagship stores here and obviously you know we're big customers of theirs on a personal level and we asked them and they were nice enough to give us a shopping cart and give us permission to come in the store you know multiple times and kind of test it out you know they give us a nice little eye on the pasta aisle and and that worked out really well because you know we got the store when we discovered you know there's a lot of extra ambient noise and there's differently you know some aisles have speakers right above them and some miles don't and you know there's a lot of good data we gathered from there we also got to see people's reactions which was amazing which is people i think are ready for this kind of thing you know some people have concerns about privacy well we had already in our work eliminated those you know whole foods does not have a loyalty program they do not have you know frequent shopper type things and what we designed was a key fob where you could program a you know shopping lists and things like that we'll do it on your phone and you control the data and you can share the data with the shopping cart but the shopping cart doesn't share that data with anyone so it's just it's just you know it's you're in control of your data and even at all times you know another concern was um will they will they you know will they hit each other whatever and you know I think we've got that worked out as well the important thing to note is how many times have you been in the grocery store aisle and somebody comes down the middle of the idol or parse the cart this way so Phil and I just for personal satisfaction I programmed it to where the card always knows that you do this side of the aisle or in this side Wow so it's on the right sits on the right side more polite than the humans so but let's talk about some of those other features that you've kind of alluded to that you have a list that you can communicate with the with the cart not all so it's not just about the cart sort of following you it's not just hands-free operation and politeness what is that what can you what else can you accomplish by sharing your shopping list with the cart will feel you want to tell us about the features sure basically a lot of this is coming from some of the work we've done with some other companies with being aware gluten-free awareness with allergies and things like that so what we one of the first things we looked at was making sure that the card itself you know when it comes up and identifies what the product is it also has access to all that fine print that everybody looks at and tries to read and never and miss this stuff so if you can if you indicate that you have a preference for gluten-free which is part of the the scenario that you see in the video it will notify you if the item actually has gluten in it and if it does and you don't want that it will actually suggest different different options for you so instead of one of the problems with people with special dietary needs or concerns is a lot of times they feel like they've been kind of put back into this small section of the of the store this lets them go anywhere in the store find exactly what they want and if they don't find what if they can't see what they want they can actually scan something similar to it and have the the card itself make suggestions and help them find what they need that's you know the gluten-free diet you know there's a lot of things in the store that don't have gluten in them but people seem to tip when they start that diet they tend to think they have to be in this one section of the store and they don't realize there's a whole store full of items you know available to them so that was kind of really nice to talk to some people that had those dietary concerns and work with them on that it kind of opened their world up some you know what you know what's funny guys you guys talk about this as just as a matter of fact and after you guys who's like dropped some of the info of what is capable of we literally our Studios like oh my gosh and then you guys can you come to I blown away we like we're watching our chat room just be like what like and you guys have been playing with it for months you're totally over it so what are the so I mean that was it though really you know this yeah so if you watch the there was a couple different people have talked about it the development is you know we run like three weeks now something like that so this isn't that so I'm saying is that's what we're trying to do in labs is these things that you see in the movies these things you see on TV these great fanciful ideas they're held back by you know companies don't want to advance their product that fast cuz they have to have a product life cycle or or you know people think that's ridiculously expensive and none of that is true i mean we live in this amazing age right now where you can do anything that you want with the technology and there's so many options and things available and what we're trying to do in the lab to show how fast you can take something from a concept you know kind of from an idea to a concept from a concept to execution so a lot of people say you know it's like but you know research and development they say big R little d or in a little are big and we think it's actually our D and E and so we're kind of like medium sized rd Big E because we're about actually delivering these things into the real world so what are you thinking in terms of practical applications for board of awesomeness not the board itself but for you know obviously that kind of mind control interface well I'm glad you asked well before he gets the mitral makes the connected face we always talk about how we do perceptive pervasive and predictive computing we do a why in a while and as we kind of hinted to you guys at CES this the board of awesomeness is the why why would you build that and the shopping cart is the wow and the reason is is that technology platform on the two are identical with the exception of the motor systems so it's the same samsung tablet running Windows 8 it's same connect it's the same software and algorithms we wrote it's just kind of inverted I've got to say I would actually like a shopping cart that goes 32 miles per hour in a store if there's some way you guys can attack on that now uh you know one of the mazing things also is it mentioned in the demo of the shopping cart how it can refer to a section in the grocery store if you needed additional items is this mapped how does the I guess is it mapped out for you or they're just pulling data like there's the list of the items that are in Aisle five and the connect and the the system knows that and it suggests that or is there actually a physical map that this that the connect because it's a camera can can detect and map out itself so since we've been working with you know grocery stores for total three weeks obviously we're experts but in that in that short time what we've learned is that all of these stores are different there's different systems and different things and and so what we needed was it to test the first the environmental variables that sound the motion people walking what do people think all of those things Whole Foods was nice enough let's do that and we're very thankful for that opportunity but what we also do is we went started researching brochures in general and and its stores in general and so there are some ink art navigation systems that and mapping systems companies that are out there so we've been talking to them seeing what kind of data feed say provides and Kylie do it must have been working on our own which is you know how would you do this one of the things people don't realize is how often things move around in a store you know whether it's you know whole foods or whether it's a target you know things are moved on different in caps of different aisles and and so you have to have a system that you know tracks it as we know RFID which was going to be kind of the Holy Grail this stuff never really took off because of the cost and other factors so there's a bunch of different things people using ultra wideband and stores people using you know different things you've seen those pricing labels that automatically update their from a company in Switzerland they're really they're really cool so the pricing can all be you know digitize these are things that these kind of stores are just now getting into so you know how we map the store is we have to build a map for the store for our test you know that's just the way it works again three weeks break but we thought we've been like what we've been looking I was just curious worley I wasn't criticizing I don't know you said you didn't use your sexy voice don't do that yeah it's hard to tell I so early I wonder a little bit I bet you could do mesh mapping if all the cards talk to each other and the only kill map as they go it's funny that's something is you can use as you know to connect to do some mapping and scanning different type functions right and so that is one of the solutions that Phil and his team came up with is it you know potentially you could have the card you could you know let it through the store have it follows you store can I have a build a map another thing that doesn't do is that gives you a map of the store that doesn't necessarily tell you where all the items are and those items are going to move so these problems are you know this this this kind of technology demonstration we've done is kind of scratching the surface of this but there are some amazing benefits which is you could take all of the skus put them into a database make it available to the brains of the card and you could do the things like the dietary need and everything or you can transfer that onto a smartphone without even having to have an automated card so really there's about 20 things in here from a technology perspective that are really interesting and there's probably half of those that you can implement it in a very short term future in some way or form so now then for the record you're not going to tell me what the thing what you're going to do with the brainwave control technology because don't think I didn't notice that if that clever dodge assign us we have we have huge plans for the brain wave technology we have some it some pretty astounding things have come up with it without playing around with it obviously driving a skateboard I actually drawn the skateboard with it as a blast and everybody this written it is like the funnest thing in the world because you watch something to you has never been on one and they put on the emotive headset and then they're bright they think about it and the first time they do they always fall off because they're laughing and get distracted because really co my god it works hey I'm Ali's laughing in that video right there oh my god and there's the worst are in the videos I'm there in the connector arriving today so so we have a lot of applications there's no looking into applications that are you know mainly right now for our Social Innovation Program in the space of what can we do with disabled people or people with disabilities so we you know have grown as a company tremendously fast we've been unbelievably successful and obviously we want to give back so you know we've done a few things already we sponsored a movie shot and appalled to help with the make awareness of the trafficking of young girls out of Nepal into brothels in India we did a charity water race where we had two chaotic moon rickshaws or tuk-tuks all decked out with some tech equipment and branding and we race those two thousand twenty miles I believe down down India that's on our website at the lab section and we're doing more things and now we're now we're finally at a point we're like okay when you start releasing some of the technology things we have so we can't tell you I would love to talk to you guys about at first but we have something we're doing to be with the emotive headset that is going to be I mean it's like a deadline okay well it's good it's going to make the shopping cart look like oh you know my 15 year old building shopping you guys and you love it I feel like you guys are the solve for x factory right like everybody's giving talks it's all for X and you guys are like oh we're actually we're solving yeah we're solving doers we're doers oh I am I am hoping to come and visit you guys in Austin during South by Southwest so hopefully we'll have some more video of the cool stuff that you're doing I hope it's you on the second version of the board i'm totally doing it further than a 11 seconds or a few feet because we were limited we're limited by your producers at all they're not kidding right there I know that's why I'm already all over that I know I'm bringing my knee pads we're doing this let the range make some elbow pads too now here's the only problem usually we're going to try to we're going to try to have this fixed by South by is with the headset you can't wear an EEG on your head and a helmet oh so your producers thought it was dangerous what be really careful of course well we actually may we have a prototype helmet Phil is working on where we're trying to take it one apart we're trying to actually put it into the helmet and so if we have that done or close enough to done will let you try that one when you're here awesome guys well we just want to say just really exciting to talk to you and see all the amazing things you're working on in we will definitely take you up on your offer for you guys to come back whenever you have new news and all the cool projects that you guys are working on so there's Phil wheat Worley thank you guys for coming out chaotic moon boom and just so you know one quick note we are doing a project a month so we did two boards you know we did one in January we did one in February in the carton februari so we'll have one every month if you want to find out about them all right damn alright guys we'll talk to you soon the the site is chaotic moon calm they are chaotic moon studios and we'll be talking we'll be talking more right yes and we are going to take a quick break when we come back of course we have all the tech news of the week google's privacy factor policies go into effect ipad 3 rumors you know we have to and windows 8 plus the best phone coming out of barcelona we'll be right back hands down probably you welcome back to buzz out loud everyone we have recovered from our interview with the chaotic mood guys and love those days we're gonna move on to the two it's really hard not to root for those guys you know yeah they're just they're really they're easy to root for all right let's move on though to the news the big news as of actually today is that Google's new privacy policies have gone into effect the ones that keep them are the ones that allow them to collect and sort of monitor your web search history to share your information between all of their different properties give you a better experience more a better experience or fall range experience which i actually think if executed properly some of it could give you a better experience although i'm not gonna lie i went and erased my web history today so this is an interesting though Molly because earlier I remember when we talked about you said you're okay with this but you still went to delete your web history your searches yeah i mean i am ok with google sharing the data that they already have about me between the sites like though i use all of them for a reason i want them to be better integrated I think that's fine I think web history is a remarkably personal thing especially I mean go look you know they've made it pretty easy they have google com / history you can go and look at your past history you can kind of like edit and manipulate it or you can just erase the whole thing and I'm not gonna lie like I google fifty percent of the thoughts that pop into my head at any given moment you know I'm there I think you got the phone and you're just like what is it mmm and I mean it's dirty things that brian says I don't understand I did not get scolded during the break by the way friends he didn't never worried about that hilarious alright but seriously he says word sometimes that I don't I do yeah sometimes you have to urban dictionary that it's you know it's science stuff it's I don't know whatever and and when you look at it all in aggregate or it might be health stuff like I have a weird bump right here and I'm gonna Google that I don't you know I do not web history I think is is the part for me that everybody needs to pay attention to yeah so there are a few ways right people been writing and talking about what are some of the ways that you guys can do if you want to try to avoid being a part of this because there's going to be two camps one that is totally all for it maybe actually three someone that's kind of in between let's get rid of web history or if you really want to try to avoid Google's you know new privacy policy not be tracked in any way shape or form well guess what number one might be don't log into Google right don't log into the services if you really don't want to be a part of this you always have the choice either login or just not even use the service anymore one of the things people are suggesting is there are ways to acquire all the data that Google has and export it so that you can take it to another service if that's something that you really aggressively want to do um you can use another search engine you can use another search engine which i find hilarious alright you can turn it up there are that there are some you can temporarily pause your google web history if you file a sure I'd have made a good point in the chat room just now which is its kind of brilliant marketing because once I went and looked at my web history my search history even though I deleted it I still was like wow this is kind of useful because if I forgot the results of whatever it was I searched it might be kind of but you so you can pause it at at certain time so if you know you're going to be like if I know I'm gonna be researching something Tong said I could just make sure that that doesn't even get influenced put on the privacy but is it oh is it a time range you can set you can optimize it you go into google.com / history you can basically hit like pause got it and then you can turn it back on whenever you want on it I mean it might be kind of annoying but but it's the way you know it's the way we have to deal with some of these things yeah you know what I find annoying actually is that um incognito mode I think that Google could go a long way toward making people feel better if there incognito windows did not log your web search and that would see you would think that would make sense that would make sense I was shot only does it not save all the passwords and all the activity but don't save your web it see that's why by default i would hope or think that incognito would do that but it actually doesn't yeah what the what all it does is keep you from being tracked basically but it doesn't yeah so can we make something real clear that this is only for people who have gmail accounts right because I went and tried to turn off all my history and there was nothing there because I don't have gmail well do you have a youtube account I do have YouTube account but it didn't see that either yeah it's right now its track it's collecting web history from gmail accounts okay so yeah if you don't have a gmail account which yeah my oh my only my only Google accounts I have our work CBS interactive and the studio I work at so there's no history at all what email are you using hotmail oh yeah Wow let's cool dude it's almost crazy is another store we have way later in the show but that's crazy exciting yeah cool there's a skydrive there now sooo yeah that is nice nice actually yeah a bind there's a startup called a bond which is actually really funny because I just yesterday interviewed a lawyer from a bind for a story that I wrote about online privacy which you can find at Molly rants hey um but they they're a startup that does privacy tools they let you they have a sort of a as close as they can get to one stop opt out for data brokers that do all that crazy scary collection about you which is what the columns about but they have a tool called protected search right now it only works on Firefox which is a bummer because Firefox becomes less usable every single day but they say they're working on other versions for other browsers so that when when you're using that extension basically it funnels you through kind of a middleman so that Google can tie the data back so the middleman kind of hides your search what you're actually searching for requested but it never it kind of stops that that gap in the direct relationship in between yeah and then hides intimate in the middle okay like that I think you know that the market will provide also I mean I do think that there are some some positive things that can come out of this nevertheless in other parts of the world there are countries with much stricter privacy that laws than ours and we could take note one of them is Japan Authority Japanese authorities have written to Google saying that it's possible that this this new technique their new policies could violate Japanese data protection protection laws yeah this kind of follows on the heels of South Korea who was recently investigating the possibility that the search giant was also violating their own laws there so it's the EU is also you know still looking at the issue of Google merging all these platforms together and sew across the world it seems like across the world people are more worried about this oh yeah then in the US the actual governments are more worried about this google is here creating jobs and standing on Capitol Hill lobbying them constantly to make sure that actual you know privacy shins are not enacted which is also what the column is about I really miss it really just comes down to how much can you trust Google you know and how much do you want to yeah and and if the services get better that's great but web search I think in particular especially when you find yourself searching for things about health all of that if it ever is made public or if it can be scraped by data brokers like you don't need that to be affecting whether you can get insurance in the future you know I mean I think web search history is something to be very careful with all right also you guys should be careful about what you hope for what you expect for what you might see on March the seventh it's official apple sent out their invite i know everyone is like i know this already Apple sent out their invites for the March 7th ipad event that will be a Wednesday of next week what I love about this most specifically is when people start parsing the actual you know image invitations or but it's it gets a little crazy right so we're showing you at least on the on the video stream of the icon or you know the picture of the calendar shows March 7th people immediately said oh my gosh that looks like twice the resolution of the previous calendar and it wasn't at Gawker they were like this is the retina display hiding in plain sight then it's like we're done where is the home button you guys look there's no home button in that picture that is actually pretty notable it is semi notable but at the same time in at the same time people could argue it could be just turned sideways yep which is I'm just saying I mean we're playing around it could be either way we don't really know there's rumblings that maybe they were gonna get rid of the home button like six months ago but no one followed up on it now all of a sudden this pictures like there is no home button the parsing is just a blast mainly because they and then the an touch thing does it suggest some sort of new technology I said on Twitter that my money was on a touchscreen like I'm a core macbook air at little other project is a little early and they prop and nobody on Twitter ever wants to have any fun at all so people were like your stool this is this is all i can tell you based on what i can say and it sounds really stupid for me to say this but my a very direct contact says there will be another product announced at the event that is not an ipad not a knife that is hardware software that is not an iPad that it note that from Apple that no one has seen before that's all I can tell if I'm right I'll you Twitter haters are gonna have a nice big drink of crow but you know I'm art we're not because it's so such an ambiguous statement but you know he's obviously told me more but i can't i'm not gonna get my friend fired iphone 5 then we're not gonna like traitor broadcast but it's just something to think about that it will there will be another product announced that we haven't seen from Apple plus in the actual ipad 3 rumors of course there are reports that it will have a Retina Display that it may have a redesigned bezel and that there might be three different side three different devices three different models one of which could be on technium today of course there's reports that you know there will be like a seven inch version that whether or not it's going to have LTE and then some rumors coming out of China that it could be seventy to eighty dollars more expensive which is possible if it has a Retina Display I can understand there were speculating that maybe they would keep the ipad 2 in circulation don't not stop making it and then make the ipad 3 the really premium model which is possible here's here's what you guys can expect all right it's a week before the keynote we are gonna hear everything known to man of like any rumor possible its camera is going to be 42 megapixels eat your heart out nokia all right it's gonna be ridiculous but you know what we're gonna ride with it yeah you know there was another whether they're talking about rumors of not only with those three different models right the ipad 2 would have eight gigs so it'd be a lower entry model right lower capacity lower price who knows who knows i'm not i'm not going to pretend like we know all we can tell you is that we will be there our cnet staff will be there and then we will be doing live buzz out loud coverage because the because like it or not the world shuts down you guys I had to change my flight to austin like I was supposed to be on a plane at ten a.m. on wednesday and everybody was just like oh hell to the no you're not going I'm not going I'm going way later that day way later no so we will be doing live buzz out loud coverage of you know from our live stream which is as you know like a lot more fun than just watching a web blog so we hope you'll join us for that yeah for those asking what time is our coverage start I typically the keynote starts at ten right so we'll probably be on around 9 30ish 9 45 or so just come and hang out with us then it'll be an extra bonus episode we look forward to seeing you see don't you feel better now about other ipad3 rumors you were all like bored and over it but now you get extra show good for you a cool story about a throttled iphone user who took eighteen t to court said this is not okay how your throttling my data speeds and one eight hundred and fifty dollars till death by a thousand tiny cuts yeah he made the claim that ATT purposely slowed down his data speeds despite the fact you've subscribed to an unlimited data plan and everyone has been talking about this he took into court the payout represents ten months of data on the carrier for the remaining portion of his contract I've got a wonderful people are gonna start trying to follow his lead I think they probably will yeah and I think that they should I mean it the way that AT&T has been manipulating its data the way that they the way that all these carriers are essentially lying let's be honest about unlimited data is it's reprehensible it's arbitrary it's ridiculous and it comes on the heels of eighteen t saying you know floating the idea in Barcelona like hey maybe we should charge mobile app developers for the data that their customers are going to use like today would repay for their customers data as the customers try to get around the arbitrary and way too low data caps that we're putting in place as we refuse to invest in our own freaking infrastructure it's funny because it seems like AT&T is the company that always says those type of ludicrous things right yeah we need more spectrum you know they're not they're not dealing with it the right way already oh let's start and charging the mobile app developers are you kidding me yeah well will discharge them on one end for that let you know I mean it really it's a joke and an innovative new business model to continue to make money from the fact that we are I mean that lets their throttling service for everyone to some extent if they put in a to like a two gig or a four gig cap like that's everybody is starting to realize that that is not enough for the media needs of the population they're just looking for more revenue because people aren't text messaging as much and using the free messaging service like we need some more money right we those 15 20 bucks we need to make it up somehow somehow somehow someway uh it's outrageous anyway uh he that was he was originally seeking $10,000 1 850 and I suspect it won't be the last yeah of those those small claims courts filings windows 8 consumer preview also came out this week finally this is great as they consider it is actually it's very um it there's been so much speculation about it they were talking about it so much to CES nobody really knew what it was going to look like or what it was going to do and they debuted in Barcelona which was kind of interesting at Mobile World Congress yeah really we're showing off a kind of a video but really the launch screen the start screen so to speak is very more the Metro interface all the demos that they've been showing really feature the touch aspect a lot more than the mouse and click aspect which it is compatible with which it does allow you to work in a desktop environment but a lot of the demos that they're really touting is the fact that this is a touch device this is a touch OS right it's it's it's everything but it they feature more on the touch side which is that is very interesting because it doesn't it I mean the desktop experience I guess they're assuming like usually no sure people get it on the desktop because their windows users and they're going to upgrade one thing that you should note though is that windows 8 on Intel is is very unlike windows 8 on arm so as your tablet shopping you may find some interesting problems which is for example if you were hoping to run Windows 7 apps and older on your new Windows 8 tablet you have to have an intel based tablet and a pc the architecture is not the same for the ARM processor so if you have an arm tablet you're only going to be able to run those windows 8 metro apps and it's interesting because when they were making the announcement they were really trying to tout that this works exactly the same on both platforms right you know this it's using the same code it's going to look great and flow great but they're still going to be you know for products that you use from the past you won't be able to necessarily use them the right way yeah the windows 8 consumer preview for those you who want to play with it because I think it's definitely worth you got a messenger you have to check it out you can download it it's it's available to download so you guys can get your hands on it see if you enjoy the windows 8 experience I just it just feels so much more tablet-based and they really just haven't shown kind of I guess you could say the kind of the Windows 7 desktop look but I do love the Metro interface the retro interface is beautiful i think that there's some i wrote a column recently about this and i think that there's some problems with the implementation mainly because like the Metro apps won't run on the desktop there's that arm vs intel problem that's it and then the you know i am hoping microsoft has alluded to are there have been rumors that they're going to have a write once run anywhere interface for metro because right now if you write a metro app for a tablet it won't necessarily run on a phone and it won't necessarily run on xbox even though they are all kind of look the same so I think as they move the Metro concept from just aesthetics to really an engineering platform that it has a ton ton of potential be a total ecosystem killer which is you know right now mountain lion right like we're expecting the mountain lion is going to be the it's the OS that will tie the whole ecosystem together with with the mac windows 8 can definitely be that yeah they just have some engineering stuff they've got to get done and one of the cool things that I do like about Windows 8 when you talk about the ecosystem and tying it together is the fact that when you have an account with Microsoft you can literally log on to any windows 8-based machine in your settings and preferences and you know they're all be loaded there and you'll still have access to SkyDrive so it really is leveraging the cloud aspect of their SkyDrive integrated with their services being able to use it on any windows a base machine yep so that that's pretty slick I like that yeah I think it's going to be cool we have a really good by the way um debate like obviously these operating systems are far from final right now but there jason parker and seth rosenblatt did sort of a little point counterpoint already about windows 8 vs OS 10 mountain lion and they go through some of these features which one has a more compelling ecosystem how will the hardware impact the usage which one's easier to adopt cloud integration stuff like that it's a good read yeah it really is the the message is that yes it is very early to make a decision but it's worth talking about for sure where they stand right now yeah definitely anyway well we'll check it out I think we're going to have some videos soon about how to install the consumer preview too so we'll give you a little excellent alright so we uh we keep things moving along here with her with our quickest let's let's hit that quick are you laughing well you get hit that quick and I got in trouble for other jokes right that's me you only get in trouble if they don't make me look good well this is not something to laugh about Molly right let's get serious HP cuts 270 employees from their web OS division that's terrible okay now first of all I've got we this is a corn in the verge we were all surprised that there were actually two hundred seventy employees still part of the webos Division I was surprised by that I was surprised that I didn't lot I didn't expect that the vision was still so large but it does signal I don't know how large they are overall if it really was you know a fifty percent cut or not but that doesn't bode well for any future for a web for you know for webos is just being supported by HP in any way shape or form are they going to release it to the public well I think this is them saying we're gonna make we're going to open source it and so we don't need our own people working on it oh that that does make some sense even though it's brutal luckily there was a corresponding story recently in like The Chronicle I think about how tech firms in San Francisco are absolutely desperate for employees so hopefully all these HP guys will have somewhere to go webos is just a sad story to me it's I don't know if they're ever gonna be able to turn it around to to even like a push like okay even remotely like hey let's just get back to like acceptability yeah it's hard it's hard to see you gotta feel like it's done like this that the plan to open source it is basically a way to kill it without killing it yeah pour some out yeah that hurts The Wall Street Journal posted a whole long hit piece on Google+ the mounting minuses at Google+ they called it a ghost town and they pointed out that according to comscore at least people are spending more time overall even though there aren't as many users necessarily users spend more time on myspace then they spend google+ hey sexy back is coming back myspace has more user interaction than google+ justin timberlake was right she was right that's crazy according to comscore network here Wow users spent an average of three minutes on google+ in the entire month of january and myspace users search for eight minutes that is just pathetic for both sides it sets in a month in a month all right way not total like the users who were using myspace surfed for a total of eight minutes which is actually that's kind of a long time in terms of user / over the month there was a story recently that like we survived that by 30 days no no the average time that each user spent on myspace during the month of January were eight minute for okay okay okay and once it like a user's than a total of eight minutes didn't we did a story that's what the virus like what am I no way no we did a story recently were like they were saying that a million new users came to my space right that's has a lot to do with their new music player mm-hmm Justin Timberlake pimped out I mean I think these numbers are a little I don't know I think the numbers are a little odd comscore doesn't count mobile numbers like it's not i'm not sure that you i think you should take this all with a grain of salt daniel tournament definitely wrote a little bit of a rebuttal about this nevertheless though they talked to people at Zynga who said google+ a nice platform but it's been slow on the uptick with users possibly because users do different kinds of things on google+ it's hard to say i mean i have definitely seen and it that there's an insane fire hose of traffic on google+ like the number of followers that i have on google+ is hilariously huge right but they're not engaged and most of the engagement that I see on google+ is people commenting like hi you know what are you doing you look pretty like it's not um I don't know it just feels like it feels like you're you have a page on the open Internet and then the open Internet just like people well i think the other statement that they probably forgot to mention in singers comments where that no one is playing are copied games on google+ exactly they're not you know people are using the same way because that cityville game we got not working I don't and I do i really don't i think people who are using google plus are using it on the go i think they're activating it on their android device not on the web and so that doesn't show up in comscore results I think like it's just not I think that the way that they're measuring it is a little bit it may be not is appropriate and and people are not using google plus the exact same way that they're using facebook you know so if the expectation is they'll do all the identical things and they'll just play zynga games yeah then then sure might but I'm not sure it's an apples-to-apples comparison I think people are still figuring out their Google+ usage I'm not necessarily defending it or saying that it's taking off but I think that this story was a little bit distorted I'm figuring out my google plus usage by not really using it at all this is like to be honest like when you talk about the you know duplicating your efforts on both network I'm sorry I don't want to do that i'm not i don't think i'm in the minority either I think repeating the same things on two networks is just too much trouble for the most part like we interact with Twitter differently than we do on Facebook and most people do Twitter Facebook right but we don't you know or let's say maybe twitter and google+ but google+ and facebook are still similar ish enough where we're trying to figure out what we really are going to use google+ for that I'm it's kind of like getting pushed to the side right now yeah I think it is but I also think there still is an evolution to follow like what I'm i'm using google plus now is a composite one to one replacement for the facebook fan page because there isn't as much engagement there how many people have fan pages Molly I'm just saying oh no I know I agree but I mean I think yeah it may be that but I'm talking about the evolution of Google+ and it may be that Google+ evolves to be really useful for brands in a way that you know like facebook yesterday they have this big marketing event they rolled out timeline for pages they're saying we want you know brands are going to be able to have these beautiful inter inter in immersive experiences that we're really going to give them a way to advertise and like buy into the news feed but it might find it might turn out that Google+ is a better place for brands to be a better place for a public figure to be because you get way more engagement I mean I still do get a ton of comments on whatever I post on Google+ and you're immediately like the big secret to me about Google+ is that is a door it's a main line it is a hard line into Google search results so if you've been worried about SEO everything that you post on you can watch it you post something on google plus 20 seconds later you've got a google nurse news alert about your name or about your business and i think that that will probably prove really useful in the long run that Google+ is maybe a better outlet for like I said companies and public figures than facebook yeah i mean i could see that on the flip said it i would have imagined that you would start seeing some sort of traction from brands already by now either they haven't done anything major persada they've allowed those brands to come on board but we haven't we still haven't seen people really use it as the brand destination and maybe that's down the road yeah but also I think the fact that it could be able to search it that benefits google more than it benefits us right the whole google+ and we're being able to search it and being able to you know use that data for I don't know how that everybody's desperate for SEO so if you want your post to get attention and you want to make sure that it's immediately indexed by Google you know I mean I'm not saying they're doing anything fishy by like hiding the facebook stuff but i don't think i've ever seen anything that i posted on my facebook fanpage show up in google yeah it out sure like if i post a link to a column on google+ it is instantly index yeah and and then thereby i would assume way more searchable to me that is that's the like that's a nice i should start paying attention that's why i curate all the podcast shows on my Google+ page because I know it's just gonna be searchable people people gonna find it later in the future you know so in the future the future the future we'll see what the future holds I should probably just like I should have just blogged everything that I said actually has a role we can record this it's not too late no yeah we can record you you can look at the recording and then just you know transcribe it and say this is why brian Tong is wrong blah blah blah blah blah this is why I'm right Kara oh no I don't think either of us are wrong cuz you know why everybody is no version we talk about the future and technology you don't know until it happens yeah we don't know like flip the Internet it has infinite possibility exactly yeah thank you you know what's also love it amazing about the internet pinterest seen a lot of traction with the ladies but Steven you found this right yeah yeah you want to talk about this my man yeah so Gawker did a story yesterday about Pinterest is format or Pinterest is not for men men hate pinterest don't like to use it well hot oh by the way I agree but say they found this site called man trysting it's very interesting it's it's a Pinterest for men and you can pin all your guy stuff they come on that's just pinterest yeah but it's man teresting man teresting that's all sorry it's just bunch of guys stuff so is this just a blog that people post to or is this you don't create a profile this is the website that or they're mocking pinches yeah yeah I was thinking maybe it's a spoof but there is a place you can log in and sign up and get involved in it I'm just gonna you know what oh my god they have gentle mint.com to which is a wholesale described accurately by Gawker as a wholesale ripoff of Pinterest why wouldn't you just why can't you use Pinterest like wait for girls it's not it's totally one of those same girls if you think it's for girls but but I mean everyone thinks is for girls I mean it's it's the Holy it's for every it's like how about this volkswagen bug is for everyone no it's not because that little flower holder kind of gave it a feel like hey it might be more female gear to the car but it is for everyone I'm still not gonna get a volt I a book see my problem is that now I'm on gentlement and I am interested in it because I'm such a dude this is why I want men to just man up man up men and get on Pinterest because you know what I am interested in your stuff and if your stuff is cool i will think that you were hot so hot have you seen the two devices that I've pinned on Pinterest I don't know not to check in okay one was a mouse it was kind of hot I like a little Mickey Mouse record player right there I'm gentlement this is there did come on man up men Oh get on pinterest no no man up men don't get on pinterest you know man trysting seriously gonna do it you don't get on mantris if you and I get on the interest don't do that I'm ministered stocking gentlemen too though all right guys you know we also love our gadgets there's been some amazing gadgets this week oh we have a couple that we want to show oh yes I know everyone listening had to listen to our little Inspector Gadget we're just like all right check this out everyone you can't escape it the Lytro right it's in our it's in the house I put up a link that people can see some of my cool Lytro pictures yeah but you know we've talked to the crew the CEO renting who came here long before they liked you even had a form factor before they were getting neighbor major publicity that's how we toot our horn that bol is the place to go for really cool first interviews like with chaotic moon you know that's how we roll we're just saying we don't wanna miss buzzer lab because we are on the cutting edge we're gonna stop talking about it so we'll still be on the cutting edge cutting edges talking about yourselves not cutting edge anyways if you guys aren't familiar with it electro the light field camera takes pictures not at the highest resolution but still just the amazing creativity of living pictures people are like flipping out about this stuff you can click on a point like you can click on my nice little face back there there you go look at that is that cool now if you scroll over I in the back if you scroll if you scroll to one picture to the picture with the spikes okay there you go so check this out this one of the cool features that they showed off now with the lytro is this new ability to what they call creative mode but allows you to take macro shots and so that you'll really be able people that are like artists that love textures of things I did the macro shot of this is like a leg of an action figure but you can click on each of the individual spikes or parts of the image it's bonkers for really think yeah you know people are criticizing this yeah it's not a mainstream camera yeah this is the first demo of the technology it's gonna get better and better down the road but man for foodies I took a picture of a grapefruit right and you could click on the different texture of the meat of the grapefruit but it was amazing yeah it was so crazy my food pictures are gonna be forever changed soon as the Wi-Fi comes yeah oh yeah yeah just a quick thing if you guys didn't know about light rolla the FCC tore this thing apart and there's a Wi-Fi and Bluetooth chip inside of this I talked to the lytro people of course they smiled and said the only thing we can confirm is that there's a Wi-Fi and Bluetooth chip in here but they're not gonna promise any features they can't deliver on yet but it's good to know that this I'm not going to say it's future proof but it has a future for more features and capabilities it's a fun it's fine it's really it's really exciting we've never seen anything like this is what technology is all about it is I mean I'd say that anymore like the idea of a revolution in digital imaging is so exciting because not only can we have these cool little cameras ourselves which is really not the overall point like I can't wait until they start making their way into film cameras I mean think about what's going to happen to your dvds and your extras when you've got infinitely manipulatable video on on the web or on a physical device like so nice that's a nice you're able to you know I don't see it that very well I think if initely manipulator infinitely manipulatable that's cool also just some cool things right this light field camera already by default because the technology takes pictures in 3d that's a feature they're going to roll out and then they did this other demo for me that we couldn't show called perspective shift and basically with the picture you take you hold down the mouse button and let's say you move the mouse in a circle it you get about a five to ten degree angle on the items I mean it's and you don't need 3d glasses all right this is moving a picture and seen it from different angles it was bonkers it's pretty a quick thing in the chat room picture file size and individual picture to download to your computer it's going to take about 16 megs per file it's it's own propriety file when you export and upload it to light show servers so then you can share it on Twitter and Facebook those files are anywhere from 500k to one meg so not very small not very large and they're gonna at this moment they said they're unlimited they're going to host them a limited amount right now and I asked them is that going to change the future they said we'll see how the behavior is but for the most part every photo you load right now you won't be capped or anything like that so because then that's one thing to note is that when you upload the photos they do have to live on nitro servers because Lytro serves them up then in there essentially proprietary player yes it was a fly flash player html5 player and then you can uh yeah that's just no proprietary at all but then you can export them to things like Facebook so that you can actually share a manipulatable file so if you posted on Facebook people can still in the flash player just be like dude and that's that's the craziest thing like all my friends who weren't even familiar with this they're like how did you do that picture right that's the that's the oh my OMG OMG yeah it's really excited these so anybody who pre-ordered these are supposedly learning to ship I have not gotten my nose like a medical check right now I go check on that coming but they should be arriving I think soon you know within the next few days yeah I ordered them they said in the u.s. Friday the people start receiving their first units and it'll trickle out i think internationally it's gonna be a little different but initially its they're pumping these guys out so this is our scene at one i purchase my own just to let you know i'm not just kind of blue when i got the blue one too you did yeah because 499 is a little to burn a dance yes 399 I can handle before 90 and I was like all right but this is not the only gadget this week actually Mobile World Congress has it has already delivered some interesting devices the HTC One X and the nokia pureview 41-megapixel phone but then now the phone that has everybody going gaga today the PadFone the asuste padfone this is bonkers hit me anyway the sous are the people behind the transformer prime which as you know was like the tablet that could easily come become a laptop this assu spat phone kind of takes the idea of the motorola atrix 4g which could dock into a little laptop station one step further because this can dock into an actual little tablet and then power a 10-inch tablet and also a laptop dock for this is this is the ultimate transformer right yeah this this this is amazing it's the do everything phone what's crazy also is when you dock the can't the phone into the tablet it uses the camera on the phone as the camera for the tablet I thought that was just kind of like so like oh that's cool it's so clever and then you can use the the tablet or the laptop to make calls using the integrated speakerphone or the bluetooth headset you don't want to hold up the tablet to your face because that looks pretty funny but yeah it's pretty it's this is pretty slick and its but its innovative I think it's a really clever way to address the fact that everybody's kind of using their phone in some cases as their only device these days yeah now yeah here's a cool video of its you can see I know yeah it's like really hard to understand exactly the picture and unfortunately they didn't show it doc inside this thing so right now just to it then okay it just looks like a laptop right now that's the tablet there that's docked on top of the keyboard and in the back of the tablet you can shove the phone into it so it's pretty cool I'm sure that the accessories job it is cheap by the way but you want to carefully set that in there and think is actually a more accurate we can get with that bar it's pretty interesting ah pending shipment okay see now she's gonna dock it in there for listeners we're showing the demo where a hinge kind of opens up that fits the phone and then you pop it in and then you go the tablet and the doctor that I talk pretty cool stuff love it all right Steven this is your time to shine my man let's do that moving on hey okay cool so this is my video pic of the week or the month as we can call it this one comes to us from the University of Pennsylvania general robotics automation sensing and perception lab otherwise known as grasp well good name they put out all these great videos of quadcopter robots doing specific tasks that they programmed them to do I can't say the specific task that's hard to try saying infinitely mama mama what was over in vanity label label specific tasks yeah so um so this is I did that with Invisalign that is impressive it might have helped you actually probably yeah anyway okay so this is a more proof of how we are going to be killed in the future by robots from the sky death from above this these guys made a video basically what they did is they program these quadcopter robots to perform they program 10 of them to perform in tandem a song double-oh-seven so check this out it's really interesting watch this we can listen to them whoa I have not seen it looks like bees right they like these I've seen this hate it I like the guy so they're so scary I mean they're Google very right oh no what is that thing on the left side there's to keep their like the most adorable little jazz band in the world oh so these these guys look like about the size of what maybe half a soda can right quad copters yeah yeah they're really small further proof that they're going to be programmed to kill us all Wow future all right let's say you get sick and have a thick and perform double-oh-seven together as a team then imagine what I was thinking you guys for people listening you guys gonna have to check this out but literally the individual quadcopters are either hitting a key on a keyboard running like a you know a metal thing against like notes like a long extended Harper saying or like on a symbol or audible guy it's crazy it's crazy here's the end the big finishes oh my god sound does a guitar that's amazing i'm better glacier howdy in the chatroom says they're appearing at coffee shops in portland through April I was in moral in this as Duncan I love pork that's amazing you guys gotta go watch that of Portland all right we do me on the show notes so please check it out i'll put that video on the show definitely do all right we gotta keep moving we got voicemails go lower our first caller points out that Google doesn't even care about being fair hey bol crew um I was just thinking about microsoft and Google's little fight with with the video coding and I think Google is still going to be asking for the 22 dollars because Microsoft is taking five dollars of every android phone that sold so I think what they're really wanting is to get their five bucks back and they'll probably drop the 22 $22 prescription so I just thought I'd throw that in there keep up the good work fight yeah we were talking about the coupon we were talking out sure any show how that cuz not and also i just love that concept that it's that they're just like they're like the better off dead kid I want my five dollars five dollars $22 we're gonna break even or what let's just do this let's just knock this out just make it happen and forget about all the other companies involved crying out loud it's a good point all right and then we got we have to give this next music service in to do because it has so so many fans and so many people want to leave a note in that this is our answer to the music service that we really want hey Brian and Molly this is Nathan for Portland what you guys were talking about a subscription service for music that gives you pretty much everything you want like a Spotify but streaming downloading purchasing I know it's not integrated into everything but Molly the Windows Phone you would have bought a zoom past which you know Microsoft of changing it windows 8 but they have their zoom past you can download stream you can easily purchase music you can easily hit their smart j playlist the software it gives you once you like enough music than so it knows what you're gonna pay start gives you like listeners or like minded or whatever you know what i mean like bum like you know I mean things like that it's like what she's lying I kept eating anyway love the show but everybody always talks about Spotify June past nine ninety-nine a month all you can listen to you all you can download he goes on for a little longer to tell us again how awesome it is but everyone always says that about zune pass and I have to say you know what Microsoft should really do make an appt Megan oh absolutely don't just limit it to the platform let soon pass be the ambassador for the coolness of the Windows platform by making an appt allah kindle and amazon and when because if i could subscribe to zune pass and then have an app on my iphone like that would be great microsoft would get my money and then maybe I would be like this microsoft thing is really cool like how I really like my Kindle so I'm always in a buy a kindle fire well the trick is with zoom past though you can also buy music so they would have to limit the app to just be like a streaming app which would then limit the fact that their service is more than that and because if you want to purchase songs right you can't do it on iOS they limit you from that that's apples they don't let you purchase songs through on another app so you can either go back to Windows Phone or you know maybe an android phone Molly but not an iphone also lily HC points out in the chat room that it's not all you download that Microsoft to discontinue the downloading part discontinued and Tim Beck says Microsoft's killing the zune when windows 8 comes huh so I guess we'll see and I'm taking cool pictures with my light rail streaming app though at least like if I just want the subscription part there could at least be a streaming up yeah totally alright let's do some email real quick we have a pretty we have tmobile lovers and haters Jim savage writes in and says last week you guys are talking about the fourth quarter t-mobile customer defections and as it caused you blamed it on them having no iPhone really bol really it's not like the first iphone just came out are you saying that t-mobile customers only learned of the iphone when Verizon and Sprint picked it up I know you're becoming more and more alpha iphone centric but the world does not revolve around Apple k to that first part of the email i would just no point out that iphone 4s sales would seem to suggest that we're right yes it's like not about it but it's like maybe 18 d didn't have a good service in their area they were locked into contracts or whatever like more availability leads to more demand yeah it's a combination of those things but you can't deny that the iphone was part of that stuff yeah so I think an absolutely what he also write like how he was gonna leave like Dale says yeah that he's a happy customers never had any problems with t-mobile and he was happy that 18-2 didn't buy them but when his contract ends in march he'll be leaving it shows there's no because there's no future and staying with tmobile because they seem intent on selling the company and that's an unknown that i don't like thinking about nobody he wants to buy the galaxy note on sprint I'm really enjoying this right now i know i'll just make the next email cuz you i'm taking you're gonna appreciate the picture i took of you guys give you like look i have a light show a picture that you can post on your website now you can be like yeah I'm cool no I'm excited I think it's gonna be good and then I'll our second email here EB rights in first of all love the show also about t-mobile I've wanted to tell you all not to fret too much about t-mobile I've worked for them since it came to being in 2002 and almost every incarnation and change it has always stayed the best place to work and grow there are so many people who've worked there since the beginnings and they're very proud of what we have done the AT&T debacle hurt us but we are coming back and we will be stronger 2012 is our year just wait and see and for those of you who don't know timo was the first and for a very long time the only wireless carrier to have its own unofficial fan site now verizon has one but it's only about a year old say what you want but we are loved and we will come back stronger than ever loyal we will fight yeah and this is our independence day let's go kill those aliens will smith all right guys I'm sorry about that okay that random outbursts them and on that note that's our show and that's our show guys you know we unfortunately weren't able to get all the emails and calls but uh we will do more those continue sending emails tell us what you think about of them we talked about the privacy stuff we talked about the Lytro stuff I mean there's a lot of you know differing opinions on those two things so let us know what you guys think you guys can call us at Triple Eight 900cc any no that's our hotline number that's not a hundred 61 62 63 eight email as buzz at cnet com check out our blog bol cnet.com oppa Steven you're our only hope and then please don't forget to join us next week wednesday march 7th show will start live stream will go up about 9 45 a.m. pacific time for live 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there like but yeah like the interviews that we're going to be posting are very cool we're talking to some really cool startups we're talking to Dave Morin the CEO of paths will be asking about their recent problems will be visiting chaotic moon we're interviewing oh my god you guys nerdgasm Ray Kurzweil yes that's my I hope he brings like a cool chip or something that he pulls out from his skin alright guys so that's all coming up but after next week's show yeah dr. thanks for hanging out this great turnout today yeah y'all so good times All Right see you soon see you guys you