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there's an easter egg in Hyundai's color codes and what's the point of all this advanced ninja tech anyway and where do we go for our DIY car maintenance needs we get to the bottom of these questions and more on this week's episode of cnet roadside assistance for january 19 2012 episode 41 and I'm antuan goodwin alongside wayne cunningham and steven Beecham joins us at the control today production duties so let's just kind of jump right into the what i think is the most interesting email that we're going to get all ever it's about the easter egg and hyundai veloster in the hyundai veloster color code now our veloster that we tested in december and talked about maybe on the last show maybe the show before that uh it was a weird color yellow 26.2 yellow and I've remarked that was a vivid yellow I don't know the hell that even means this is just like 26.2 yellow all right i'll buy that hyundai we'll just call it I searing yellow and didn't call it a draw is it like a Pantone code or something I don't know that blob familiar of hand turn cones that I've never seen a 26.2 so we get an email in from a listener who's name i forgot to put down and he basically states that 26.2 is the length of a marathon in miles okay so that's it said 'no CLE if you read it like that it's it's marathon yellow that's the classic marathon distance yeah marathon yellow okay okay I get that that's smart let's see it hyundai the makes a ton of it and it's quite clever yeah you know where the term marathon came from where does that come from it comes from a battle a battle in classical times the Battle of Marathon where some two armies quashing outside Athens and this was one of the soldiers had to run and get more reinforcements and he ran 26.2 miles I think our kilometers that's loser kilometers well then it was probably yep totally cubits or something it's actually 26.2 miles yeah yeah through its 42 kilometers and they're using some other term back then some other measurement but the Kings nose lengths or something yeah but so yeah you had to run that 26.2 miles get back to athens and say hey we need more soldiers and then he died immediately lungs bursting and they also day you ran a marathon and yes i'm pretty sure Lee the part of the story they don't tell is like the the nipples bleeding pooping yourself I will never run a marathon look like I'm not pushing through that I'll Drive 26.1 go home it's a 26.2 yellow marathon yah that's right I wonder what other number word things you could come up with I don't know yeah but it's like it's interesting for me like how how they pick these colors uh they're specifically the names for the color that's always just like you know you should just be like brilliant white and now it's just like whatever frost more and white well in a former life I used to actually work in a paint store and we would every year the new deck of colors would come out and we'd all go through the different names because the names are really goofy yeah that was a good like you know our of laughter yeah I'm waiting to start like catching like sci-fi easter egg uh just like you know enterprise gray or something like that I'd be a good one no people will get it and they'll buy that car because they're nerds I'm a nerd too so I don't feel bad about saying that you've got another email coming in from Phil Phil says hey guys I got an aftermarket stereo question about the 2010 hyundai genesis coupe have the version with the automatic climate controls but without nav or infinity sound and he basically steals us a picture of what it looks like we have already seen it he says the head unit this car is horrible and i want to replace it with an aftermarket unit here are my priorities he wants it to look as factory as possible most car stereos are over designed monstrosities and they either have a double din either either he wants to double din touch screen or something with a centered knob that's about as much as he thinks he can hope for and he also wants to know if there's any way he can get the USB port and auxiliary jack that are you know basically at the base of the probably nothing in the genesis coupe there they're actually in the center console to work with this car stereo if Crutchfield says that it's impossible but best buys and fri say they can do it but only they can do it you want to know anything you have any recommendations for a stereo and and getting those those connections to work yeah this should be certainly be doable i guess the problem is finding the one that looks factory that's the big problem because I mean yeah all these you know car sir is it to have pretty outrageous looks usually well if you're looking for something that it looked as factory as possible what the genesis is illuminations blue though i would say alpine yeah that's not bad and I mean they have some good units they actually have some really some new units that are coming out for 2012 that are pretty cool looking I think the I na hang on for a second i can actually look those up for you right now lots of the head unit so you can adjust the illumination to to the color that might match your right yeah you can do that with a be the pioneer avic unit you can adjust the illumination on those but i noticed before though sometimes they have these big chrome knobs on there you know plastic chrome and that can clash or look a little gaudy and i'm seeing a lot of now is that no knobs okay just get like a big ol 7-inch touchscreen and like eight buttons across the bottom that don't really attract a lot of attention that's not bad that at all 11 stereo that I'm testing right now and you'll have to wait until after this show before you can decide whether there's something that you want or not I'm testing the the parrot asteroid and I think that would look right at home in the Hyundai dashboard it's a single din unit I don't know if it's something you'd be interested in that is a nice center-mounted knob and wide illumination and it looks really kind of OEM ish just it's got a nice mix of glossy and matte so it kind of goes with anything I think I'm testing it now so when I write my review up tonight to go live probably tomorrow on the car tech blog you'll know if it's actually a good radio outside of that but also another thing alpine has their there ix aw 300 305 that that we've that we've tested also would probably look really good yeah car we're just talking about what something looks like have you looked at the dashboard kits for the genesis coupe I mean no I haven't looked at them but I know they exist right so this is something you'll need to do first to replace that Center in stacking yeah and if you've got automatic climate controls it could be as simple as just making sure you have the right module that allows you to keep those climate control that you already have intact or you may end up having to replace them I'm very seriously doubt rough to do that based on the Genesis is dashboard orientation you'll probably just need to find some sort of a module breakout box or something right now that car has a standard it's stereo is basically a single din it's about doubled in size actually even when you don't have nav that screamed except about a double din space hmm so you should be pretty good to go there the Alpine that I talked about at the top of this email was the I ve w 5 30 it's got like a little tiny chrome knob and some buttons on it but I think it's a pretty OEM looking unit I definitely check that out right I do like that parrot you're testing I had got a kind of glance of it earlier and I like the way it looks but the the knob that you use for all your controls because it's not a touchscreen is this sort of clear plastic deal hmm and it's a little sharp and it's also a little smooth for me to be like quickly like you know I like to yank the knob around fitfully weird I looked very quickly adjust the volume and it just you know I've been testing it on my desk for the first day and so without any sort of like it's sliding around it doesn't really the knob does it feel really great in my hand maybe it'll feel better when I get it in the dashboard and we need to wrap rubber bands around the outside of them yeah but then it just making it ugly right well speaking of the DIY side of this he actually I don't think is gonna have a problem with putting the USB port knocks jack in the in the console I mean you may actually may just be a simple case you can the ones that are out and hot gluing new ones in that's probably what fries and Best Buy are going to do if they don't do that they'll probably just end up cutting the backs of them off and splicing those connections manually yeah actually didn't think about that but yeah they're already those connectors in the ya console I mean that's what I would do but I mean that's probably not the best best way to Maine if you ever want for the car back to stock you run into an issue there what i would do is get a new panel from a junkyard someone's erected genesis by now and then just cut the back to those off and then splice the new connections and I mean the USB connection is what four wires maybe six and the auxiliary connection is too yeah a little easy that you don't have to be pretty that's going to be a in your center console and be underneath the dashboard that's true I just feel I'm not sure that you don't really say exactly why you think the head unit is horrible yeah that's the other weird thing yeah I thought it's fine I mean I I think it's one of my favorite non premium interfaces I mean well I mean the interface is simple enough but I mean what you get with it even their stripped-down r-spec genesis coupe you get bluetooth audio streaming you get both hands-free calling with voice command with a really great sync system but I sink I don't mean Ford SYNC I mean like dress sink and it's not really that difficult it's not pretty but it's not ugly either it's just very utilitarian I think it works i think the interface is yeah this minimal because you're just working about the radio display but it's not bad you know i'm different strokes for different folks yeah he just doesn't like the way it looks yeah it doesn't like the using the knob to scroll through songs that could be now if it is a question of sound if it is a question of audio quality probably attacking the head unit isn't really the way to go right for that you probably want to look at damp sand speakers yeah they just said that the hidden units horrible i don't really we don't know what that means yeah if its sound quality it's replacing the head unit going to do it that's like saying my car handles poorly and then upgrading your engine yeah we're putting the new steering wheel yeah you're not doing anything where the rubber meets the road there but again I still thought the system sounded pretty good anyway it's not really a matter of my preference at that point it yeah so Phil there's preference there's a deathly options for you here right we've got another Phil actually this is a different bill different Phil wrote to us from from Massachusetts Phil says be interested to see if you have anything to report about the new 2013 lincoln MKS at the detroit auto show well i was just at the detroit auto show and they had the MKS there but that wasn't really the star of the show because they had already shown them KS in los angeles and we did a full coverage of it there'd what dead did we report on that cart though it's got a new faith more streamlined that's right it's their new sort of grill look I mean it doesn't look dramatically different from the old one but it just kind of flows better into the headlights you know basically a streamlined look and they've they also discussed a couple of different sort of packaging changes like new features that they're going to add to be frank though the last time I thought about the MKS was in November so i will put a link in the show notes for you to go check out exactly what i thought about it it's not an extremely chits not a huge change it's it's a visual refresh it's like the equivalent of of like well you know we're not going to change the underpinning platform or really make too many huge changes but will you know tweak the taillights tweak the headlights add a couple of new option packages but I mean I think without seeing it side-by-side well it's actually and we've got a picture up here that actually shows the new grille and for some reason it seems like everybody's when they talk about the the new MKS or their Lincoln's move for way forward is they mainly talked about the grill I really talked much about the engines or anything else and this is all you know Ford technology and powertrains which is good stuff these days anything you can say about the MKS you can just basically transpose from a Ford Taurus review right so I mean at that point it just becomes a I don't want to drive a car looks like a Ford Taurus I like my car to have an epic stash yeah this is definitely it's it's a dramatic look at good looking car I think yeah personally I really I really like the way it looks I mean I joke around about the mustache but when you see the car in person I mean it prints really well in person is just really sleek and streamlined and yeah it looks you know like back in the day cards were kind of designed to look slick may not have been the most aerodynamic but you know they were kind of designed to look like liquid metal or you know whatever that and it kind of brings a little bit of that back to me that I think the crowd that the combination of like young and older crowd and Lincoln's trying to target will both appreciate yeah I'm just looking at our story on there from from LA there's a couple of things they already had the EcoBoost engine which is the 3.5 liter direct injection with turbo charging so a lot of power there and they also are going to an adaptive crude active suspension which they didn't have before and it's good to see that that new technology coming from Ford from Lincoln board yeah both companies so what Lincoln Mercury the whole thing no mercury there dude anyway I just tossed a link i will put a link on our show nuts for that two of the coverage we did that so yes we have covered that car very cool car but moving on right we got another email from not a fill this one is from from Reuben sandwich I'm pretty sure that's not his last name and it says if car technologies are getting more advanced then what is my kia optima with the turbocharged direct-injection only use regular gas versus premium gas and if i use premium gas well I get more horsepower and a faster 0 to 60 time thanks guys love the show see when you back from CES do you need a faster 0 to 60 with your optima i'm a cool car um but I would posit that the reason that your kia optima runs on regular gas is because of all of the advanced technology in your car ten years ago you had a turbocharged engine and you put cheap pump gas in it it would be a knocking detonating mess like it would not run smoothly you would not have a good a good time and you would finally you find yourself you know quoting The Fast and the Furious when you blow the Wills from your intake manifold whatever that means um so the fact that your your vehicle can handle a forced induction and not destroy itself is because you're taking advantage of the advanced engine management that we've seen growing over the last couple of decades and direct injection which is basically allows you to more accurately meter the fuel as you get in it used to be when you when you when you turbocharged an engine you oftentimes find yourself putting more air into the engine than the car was smart enough to handle and then what you would get a pre detonation which basically means the explosion that happens in the combustion chamber would happen before the piston with that top dead center and ready to start coming down so basically you've got the piston coming up and the explosion kind of hits it and you basically are shocking the crap out of your your engine now that you know cars are smarter they know everything that's going on they can more accurately meter that fuel and that's why you can run the cheap gas and I would venture that if you put premium gas in the car that says put a cheap gas in it if you put if it fits put regular octane in and then you decide to go above and beyond and put prima geffen you might see a performance boost but you might not it might be so small I think there I think there would because I've seen situations where car companies will say you can put regular or premium gas in this car but you'll get better mileage but I find those are usually cars that are designed to run on premium and then they say well you could put the cheap gas in it if you want dad won't hurt anything they come out of the door saying put the cheap gas and that means that when you put that premium gas and that is basically higher octane and more resistant to detonation then your engine control systems will basically go oh so I don't have to work so hard to not detonate cool i'll just do what I normally do right and you won't really see a huge bump it that's my my my theory I wouldn't know this without actually doing some instrumented testing right I mean you could test it if you want to hurt but I don't think you're going to notice a big difference you don't mind paying an extra like five bucks at the pump every time sure go for it yeah I personally I'd buy a hot dog with that money the you know be interesting to do this if you but I think it only notice a difference if you really got down with the instruments and did very controlled testing said okay now I've got a full tank of premium gas and I'm going to do a zero to 60 and I'm going to measure my fuel mileage over a certain amount of time and then do the same thing with a regular you know take a regular and you were saying Wayne that you think that you'll probably see if you see anything you'll see a jump in fuel economy yeah I think that's mostly what you'd get I don't think you'd get I you know and I think too if you threw in if you just threw in premium and said am I do I feel like I'm going faster you might feel to get that placebo right I I love to use the story of when I put hundred octane gas into my like 2,000 mitsubishi galant and I'm just like yeah it's faster I guarantee you it wasn't I just needed to feel like I was justified in paying five dollars a gallon yeah yeah he's back 100 octane was five dollars a gallon ya know it's late if you can find it so yeah probably no real no no definitely no no appreciable gain online premium here not worth it really you're welcome to try it out definitely will break your car by treating it better than it needs to what's a better way to get a faster 0 to 60 out of a kia optima than putting premium guess in it better tires yeah okay go turbo charging nothing like that ah what's already got the tow this one already has a tour bus equate we're gonna do nobody's come out with that chipping yet for this car you know if they could ship it and you might get more power out of it you might be able to do that I mean you I mean you'll probably cold air intakes I would just I was about to say like you know just make sure that you keep your air filter change the oil change it's probably gonna be I realize now that I found a lot like my dad how do you do all that just like change your oil and check your filter yeah don't go crazy laws performance your air pressure your tires it right wasn't wasting your money on that crap what was funny is like when I was a teenager like I was so into like suspension tuning and like cold air intakes that I just would never check the air pressure in my tires and it would always be low and I would you know be outside in the Raj with my dad and we'd be talking about like car stuff involve on he just go like your tires look a little low and I would just immediately feel stupid HYFR have to do that like the most basic thing ever it's it's like it's like like giving it like a speech in front of a large group of people on something incredibly intelligent and then at the end someone says your fly's unzipped how I would feel when you would point out my air pressure here's the easy thing yet so moving on here next email we get from Alan W who says can you talk about or review the best online auto repair websites or CD repair products like all data DIY I have a 2004 cayenne s and like to do my own repairs which ones do you like so I think well we go back to the paper manuals with those yeah again when I was growing up every car that I bought that will not been at fault in my first couple cars or hand me downs but you know the any car that I had within like a month or two of owning it I had like a hanes paper inaudible let me a paper manual just like all right well you know where is everything you need to know what you need to take off before you get to the CV you change a cv boot or something like you need to have those sort of things and the reason I like paper manuals is like you can't drop it and break it as you can drag it underneath the car and spill oil on it and never have to worry about you know breaking your laptop okay you're looking at a CD I've done the same thing with Haynes or Chilton too yeah usually you know get the new car you know used car whatever and the first thing you do is get that paper manual they have I have done some reporting on in last year on both of those companies Haynes and chelten are bringing their their manuals to to an online format and the way they have it set up is they don't have all the different vehicles they have their starting off their most popular vehicles or most popular manuals and you know I think Haynes has going to be 20 to 30 of them up now and you pay a subscription price right you pay like got on 10 bucks a year or something in or 15 bucks a year and it's also how all day to DIY that Ellen mentions it as email work you pay like 19 bucks a year for your car and I guess all that talk about haines is for the benefit of the rest of our readers because they don't even offer a Porsche Cayenne manual I think the only thing they have is like a Porsche 944 and that's out of print so they don't even have a Porsche Cayenne manual sorry Alan so it looks like your best bet would be something like all day to DIY but it's difficult for us to to kind of check exactly what they have on exactly your car because i'm not gonna pay 19 bucks for every single car just to verify it well I also you know I think we've got a good point though about going paper over an online version because because I mean my manuals you know for my cars would always you know the pages would have grease smudges on them character yeah you know the pages are leapt and stuff like that and you know when you're working on breaks or something that the brakes section and it's got all these said dirt smudges and grease much like thumb prints of brake discs yeah and I don't want to get those same smudges and stuff on my computer on my laptop you know the you like a second jinke laptop for like a hundred bucks just to bring out that kind of stuff yeah sure you want to do is like Oh LPC's 400 bucks right or get a little cover plastic cover form like they have in the shops yeah yeah so yes book or something yeah you're not messing up any anything with all that grease and stuff I don't know I mean yeah it is convenient with the online manual to be able to and sometimes they'll let you print those pages out yeah where I feel like all right I just need to print a diagram of the brake system or a printed diagram of the the rear sway bar assembly you just mean I think all data DIY does offer printable printable resolutions for any of their illustrations if you pay the subscription and I actually went through their their demo they like a demo work for like a 2001 ford focus or something and they have a lot of stuff that you would kind of expect to see in a paper shop manual but I just can't confirm they have it for every vehicle yeah is what has me a little worried so say that it's 19 bucks it's not really that big of a deal I mean that big of an expense if you're if you want a Cayenne look what I take the like stereotype force your owners but if you own a Cayenne like 19 bucks and check it out but what I've seen with the Haynes in the manuals online is they they actually view color pictures which they usually new black and white in the in the the paper mandas which is nice and sometimes they even have a little video that shows although the video isn't specific to the car the video is just sort of a general thing was like how to change the oil in a car and we're using this Chevy Malibu here but you might be have something different but it's yeah basically the same usually yeah there's a I think there's a lot of potential for these things to do a lot of nice detailed information online there's also being able to hyperlink around is very convenient I'll being able to search is very convenient because as good as the best index is isn't that nearly as good as just searching so I'm actually going to look and see if the Porsche Cayenne is the 2004 Porsche Cayenne is available in all day to DIY I assume since he gets in there okay yeah you look it up before the show it's in there um but it's just you know all right now you gotta pay 19 bucks to look at it and union you can only look at it for a year right uh yeah I haven't seen the all day to DIY manuals I just really know that the hands of children ones Witcher yeah I assume these are very similar if they're gonna be competing only there's there's a lot of stuff that you can get on all day to DIY like you can look up part numbers there's a thing a tool-less you estimate what labor would be if you just don't feel like paying for it um so it you know it's like well this thing would take about this long so here's about how much you could expect to pay for labor of your mechanic wants to charge you this much per hour and if so it's like it's an interesting tool for di wires and you know when you get in over your head effort for basically estimating which you can expect to pay someone else for for these sort of things and even like cost estimates for like you know how much is a tie rod end for an acura RSX gonna cost me it should cost about this then you have some sort of a way of arming yourself when you go to buy those parts for your DIY stuff that something paper manuals just don't do it's also something you could probably easily accomplished with a basic Google search once you have the part number but it's kind of interesting that it's all there yeah chilton had something similar that too i wish a look at the Chilton site right now for their their manuals their online bit they don't seem to have Porsche at all they don't know they don't and I know changed event already mentioned that yeah yeah it's hard for me that their nether website was this really difficult for me to navigate value yeah there it doesn't seem like it was their primary business you know I started out with paper and so yeah the transition to transition to the web is a little rough on I think they're also starting to kind of they may have actually already been doing the kind of just focusing on training mmm like oh yeah you get like Chilton certified and break work right or something like that so a lot of their their online materials are just kind of aimed at like getting you into a class or something yeah that makes sense alright we got another listener who wants to put an aftermarket stereo in his car this time it's a 2010 chevy camaro and I apologize if I mispronounce your name Afiya me and it basically basically just bought a 2010 chevrolet camaro hooray for him unfortunately he's not very excited about the tech in the car he's trying to get in aftermarket double din head unit and he wants to remove the factory radio and he's only found two head unit kids but both of those lose the the knobs for the climate control he really likes the knobs we just liked the look of them and this question is are we aware of any dash kits for the june five camaro that retained those factory style knobs for the AC controls the answer that is very simply no because if you look at the if you look at the dashboard of the the camaro you see that it only really comes with that single din opening for the radio and then the knobs are just below that the problem is if you get a double din unit that's taller than that now your screen starts to interfere with where the knobs would normally go and that's why you see all of these are really good by the way aftermarket Camaro dashboards switch over to button interfaces so the the metra 9 930 10 s that he actually already found basically switches to a bank of buttons for your climate controls and skosh actually has a kit that also uses two banks of buttons but it also has a small like four inch color LCD so you'll be able to like see you know what temperature you're sitting or what span speeds are setting or what sort of like vent configuration that you're setting it's kind of cool-looking I think it's also 350 bucks mmm so 3 or 50 bucks for a dashboard kit on top of what's already gonna be like 70 80 books for a stereo you know it could get kind of crazy I think a good suggestion here might be too I don't know if he needs to go with a double din since you can get a lot of functionality in the singled in units now well the problem with that is nobody make single din openings anymore like they don't make singled in kits anymore they just make double din kids and then they give you a little plastic pocket alright I phone in or whatever it just works out cheaper that way than manufacturing two kids and you know it basically allows them to keep the cost down on their tooling and whatnot you think there's any possibility of putting a replacement single din into a Camaro I've never seen a single Jane case so if you do it's going to be something that you have to do yourself and that when things started getting funny-looking unless you're like experienced in working with fiberglass or something about a fabricator that can do it for me you know maybe not too much money rightly but then you run into the issue of well the the reason these kits are so expensive is because they come with that breakout box built into them that basically your climate controls run through your stereo system all of that run into the same wiring harness so when you when you yank out that stare even if you just cut it out with a dremel and pulled out whatever happens to be behind there you'd be left with a bunch of knobs that don't connect to anything so that's why these kits replace those knobs with buttons and that's why a kit that basically only adds buttons ends up costing you a couple hundred bucks so like yeah the kids that were showing right now our universal kits for a bunch of different cars but in the Camaro's case it's just right you won't be aware those knobs are preserve that yeah so either if he Emmy you're getting enough to stick with the tech that lives in the the Camaro I don't know if there's any way of proving that except through I think I think advices from if i had to guess and i often make a lot of assumptions about what people send in their emails because no it's not really easy to talk back and forth but I'm guessing he wants true navigation since he's talking about getting aftermarket doubled in unit and you can't get the camaro with anything but on Starnet as far as like as far as I know right that's true so hey if you really want that navigation with the locally stored maps in the dashboard and all that you're going to have to give up the knobs it's just kind of par for the course yeah so we got one last question here like anything going to hit kind of quickly or as we get close to wrapping up our show from JD w we only get initials for JD w he says i watch all of your video videos and find them so helpful i am in the process researching to purchase a new car I was looking at 2010 2 2012 vehicle lacrosse cxs as well as the new 2012 audi a6 to point out tfsi I haven't estro of the La Crosse but I have driven the audi a6 a.m. a previous 2007 lexus es350 owner I was wondering in your opinion which vehicle is better says I'm graduate student at Harvard University and will soon be graduating I also will be traveling to and fro putting plenty of miles on my next vehicle I need something that is reliable and I desire something that is comfortable to drive long distance as well as fuel economical but also stylish my budget is not extremely large but i believe it is worthwhile investment to get a vehicle that will endure four or five to six years after purchase without being obsolete in its technology and tastefulness i guess he must have graduated from the travelling salesman program at Harvard right it sounds like don't have that every day we all right yet your your suitcase full of wares and you'd knock on people's doors and go I want to show you the new wow yeah that's that's hard for program into the kitchen in the future big important harvard program so uh jdw uh you know the i was i drove the Buick LaCrosse last year I briefly we haven't got it in for a full review the latest one but it is a really nice car and one thing the cool that they're doing with it is putting a hybrid standard you won't be able to get this car without a hybrid engine system and it it's technically a mild hybrid system but I was pretty impressed with it I thought it worked really well and for my brief drive it seemed to get good fuel economy can't really tell until we get it in for a longer run but it was uh they did a great job making a very affordable luxury feeling car that'll actually feeling car actually luxury car I mean Buick is a premium brand yeah and they will have good technology Annette so I certainly like the La Crosse the a6 not a bad car either I'll think you'll spend a lot more on the a6 I think you're talking about it twenty thousand dollar price differential Wow yeah it's a that's a lot of money that's a whole extra car yeah because the liminal across is like a thirty thousand dollar car yeah but I mean Sosa robbed ran for it yeah you go my stereotypes again come on depends on what Commission's evasive that traveling salesman's salary how many vacuum cleaners you have to sell for twenty thousand dollar price both of these cars are gonna be a long way from your ES 350 which you know I think we've gotta considered as sort of a glorified Toyota it basically is a camera yeah i mean i'd see that's got lexus luxury it's comfortable that i don't think there's a single thing you can get on the es the 2007 ES 350 that you can't get on a premium camry yes probably not i mean unless you did an ugly license woodgrain interior yeah but alyssa lacrosse is I think a good choice actually and an affordable choice and has good technology in it the one the ones I've seen the ones i've tested they're actually putting their whole at in telling app system and all that so then i'll have some really good modern technology that the 2012 a6 also great technology in that car and i'm a fan of that they're two point O tfsi even though they six is a fairly large car i think it's a you know that that engine is enough to give that car plenty of power plus you get that you know this google navigation system and the the wired connection in this car which you know we've liked here at car tech quite a bit i'm tresh finding if there's anything we haven't thought of for jdw here actually when you know one other car i would think to look at would be the mercedes-benz c-class i thought you were going to go infinity that really did I thought you were going to go infinity there yeah I guess we don't have that Asian representative here as far because I mean that's kind of where I would go I'm infiniti g although you know i would except I would wait for infinity to we need a new generation of their tech in the car I wouldn't recommend the Infinity just now it's you know the infiniti g has been riding on its you know five year old technology at this point so i suppose i think it needs an ax I mean it's a great-looking car it's it's a nice solid reliable as I think the reason I that I think so highly of infinity is that it's the closest thing that I can compare it to is an acura and they're writing on 10-year old technology above those are long do for an update you know another car actually in the lexus vein is the lexus is that's a pretty nice set on your like i haven't seen an eye aside by Federer and a six early about the same size yeah yeah i think the the diets might be a little bit smaller yeah i think it may be straddles the a46 line yeah but i'm from it is you up to a GS i think the es I think might even be actually between those two cars in size but again we lost custom downplayed this yes but the the new Lexus GS is pretty sweet looking car but oh yeah me than the one that just came out with the new the new elf finesse design yeah that's true they good looking car like exactly if you get the F Sport that's work package yeah is uh I can't wait to drive that I I can't believe I'm saying I'm excited about driving a Lexus but I cannot wait to drive that the GS with the f sport right yet sometime in the LFA so you're you're a little lexus bender right oh yeah yes I did it I've been excited about driving a Lexus before LFA doesn't count though that's true that's not really Alexis that's something entirely different yeah I think well anyway I did respect to the regional quest for sadies c-class it's it's the c-class is a nice especially the c300 I definitely prefer that over the sea 350 even though the bigger and generally give you more horsepower and stuff you don't really need it and the c300 is a nice comfortable car stylish good you know solid technology in there it's not super advanced at this point but it's it's also car 35,000 you'd probably spend total on him and that's about you know the Buick might come on a little bit under that they 6i think would definitely be over that Audi why would you go see in that II yeah well I personally especially for you not just graduating from Harvard mm-hmm well he's a graduate student okay that's a different thing graduate student so me that's not he's not gonna be graduate apartment with undergrad it will soon be graduating yeah I'm not gonna be coming out with slow there are sisters yeah a second if you're younger maybe the c-class I you know I like to see class and per se I mean this is my preference for slightly smaller cars you know they seem more nimble more usable I mean I guess if you want to carry around business partners in the back seat you might want the big limo style car but yeah I like that I feel like the e coupe is pretty small oh yeah uh it's not tiny but I mean I think it's probably closer in size to the Buick in the a6 and the sea is yeah but did you to be stalking sedans here yeah yeah yeah I think he wants the rear doors otherwise i would say go for the audi s5 because that's an awesome car yeah a lot of different choices there but i mean if you had toss-up just between the Buick and the Audi yeah I would you know I like the driving and they've Audi better and I like the tech in it better at this point so i would go with audi but if i didn't have the extra twenty thousand dollars to spend on get with the Buick or a cheaper audi there you go alright so those are our emails for this week I'm actually surprised that we get through all of them and we don't have low cars because we wanted to devote the whole show to making sure that we get all those emails some of those have been kind of sitting in our queue since you know before CES festering yeah so we would 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