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hello and welcome you're listening to the scene at UK podcast this is episode forward and 24 Friday and sixth of burberry 2015 Windows is coming to raspberry pi over and Google could be heading for a collision in the world of self-driving cars and lost top secret notes handwritten by Alan Turing himself have been found in at the most unexpected place I'm rich at home and joining me in a high-tech down the studio this week is luke westaway hello hello good see you get to see two who else is here no Andy no I'll deja this week no Jason so we're going to keep it fairly brisk that means there'll be no quiz this week so I know many of you all been on tender hooks yep tell the hooks tender hooks and a bit of a tender hook yeah you'll be up on a pedal stool with your test a tender hook could be all floppy I imagine rubbish anyway on that night let's dive into the knees yes so it's kick things off there is a new version of Raspberry Pi this is very exciting British news so it's the well-known low-cost computer for developers and kids learning how to code and build computers and that kind of thing that's right that you went soiling you yes I did I went to I went to the launch event yep they they gave us one to take home nice I took it out the box and marveled at how it looks like a cool technical thing from the nineties and now you've built a media center or a small robot or a drone or a unfortunately I lack the intelligence and patience to really do anything with it so now what I've done is I've got a really cool project coming right sits on my desk until people combine go always that the new Raspberry Pi near yes it is I go yeah what's it to you and then eventually I'll / coffee mug down on top of it and it'll break and so ends its journey exciting though isn't it the old raspberry pi 2 yeah it's really cool so the raspberry pi 2 is a really significant upgrade to the hardware so you get a quad core processor now and it's got one gigabyte or how much is loads more memory than it had before and that's probably it actually but one good thing about everything else remaining the same is all of the connectors on the board so that USB in the hdmi ethernet all that sort of stuff that's the same number of ports and it's in the same place so all of your current Raspberry Pi projects your pie Jets if you will are going to continue to be compatible so it's backwards compatible so it'll work with this existing stuff and should be able to do like a software update on you notice sort of like get the new one up and running and so it's a good existing project you've built you already built something within the move it with the original that run ya can just check that out you've already surrounded it into a robot teddy bear that goes to space and plays a xylophone made of coffee beans brilliant and this is what this would be compatible with that X and that's good tonight but and one of the things has really got people talking is that going to be windows for it right windows tab that's exciting yes that's right that was that was the most definitely the most exciting news of the day so it's going to be a version of Windows 10 okay this that's raspberry pi compatible sure so to slightly couch that but it's also going to be free you obviously free Windows 10 on Raspberry Pi that sounds exciting it and it is exciting and don't get me wrong really because it's not not exciting yeah but it's not quite what it sounds like either so rather than the sort of regular version of Windows 10 that's G know that most people will be buying and will come see full-size version for ya they'll be shipping on most laptops and that sort of stuff this is going to be a version of Windows 10 for Microsoft's developer platform for IOT which is the Internet of Things so it's a special skew if you like of Windows tenders for tiny little gadgets like the Raspberry Pi so there's anything that's internet-connected that isn't a computer basically is the Internet of Things so yeah I like smart home stuff and yeah thoughts and drones and bits and barbells that that kind of thing yeah so I mean it this may not be like a sort of like the cheapest way of getting like a proper Windows 10 computer or anything but if you are sort of technically minded yeah that does give you a lot of extra developers tools to mess around with so might neat and yes something that's kind of cool is that when Evan Upton is the the inventor of the Raspberry Pi was talking about it he said previously the Raspberry Pi was a really really powerful computer bearing in mind the price now it's just a really really powerful computer that sort of is also really cheap coma so yeah they're really they're definitely bigging up the power increases thanks I'm good stuff what do our readers have to say about this read as listeners and viewers oh those guys well dynamo underscore Dave hey Dave say dynamo day a that guy that guy says why would you want to neuter this thing with windows cutting well vkr I to says I'm not going to be cynical about this I may be completely wrong but I'd like to think Microsoft wants to truly get involved for altruistic reasons after all Bill Gates does do a lot for philanthropy that is true and if you google it need not in charge of Microsoft anymore but he does do a lot for vitamin Google likewise has done quite a bit and I hope they get into this game to anyone here from Apple yeah I didn't think so say what you will but as much as much a thinker as Steve Jobs was he's no bill gates in truly changing the world that's I mean he's got a good point but I love that taking a non sequitur oh yeah we like we swerved off topic pretty dramatically there but I don't oh no I cuantas get accused and we actually get accused of like changing the subject Apple at the drop of the hat but that's just fact that was that was that was anything please be railing there yeah and especially when Apple hasn't done anything so like I notice apples very quiet on the subject enough everything you deserve every news story it's like like an elephant born or something in the zoo and it'd be like don't hear Apple commenting on this do you read faces all around in cupertino I'd imagine so there you go so Raspberry Pi it's excellent it's still excellent no school it's on sale now it costs about a little under 30 quid so you know give it a go if you if you're keen okay all right moving on also happening in the UK Dixon's car phone which is the company that owns coffin warehouse and curries and pc world used to be Dixon's because anymore they are starting their own mobile network okay sorry you look you were looking to be forever but like wow sorry i dropped the ball i'm back on back on the field okay well they're starting an MVNO okay what's an MVNO rich well Luke I'm glad you asked it says here hold for applause a no piano is a mobile virtual network operator which basically means it's a company that runs a network that it sounds like it's their own network but in the actual fact their own become the backend stuff the infrastructure the mass the technology the hardware that kind of thing is handled by another actual phone network sounds deceitful are there any other companies already doing this well I mean there's people that Tesco Mobile this virgin media they're all MVNO so but what it is is the term it's a company that that has their own brand on the front and then someone that Oh two or three or e takes care of the back end so nuts conceit for not that deceive a little bit see what's going to happen with this one the Dixons carphone one is it's going to be it's gonna be three handling the back end the mass name structure that kind of thing we don't yet words could be called it's probably going to launch this year I think it's this year maybe this year but they're still being inside like you know what it's going to be what's what form is going to take that kind of thing but it's it's it's yeah it's a another change in the mobile market well I can't wait to see which celebrity they get to do the voices on the adverts that's true that is a good point that's the most important thing when you're starting now they probably decided that bit ya get that out of the way yeah who would you get if you were starting a network who would you want it's got to be a recognizable voice not necessarily face and you've got to be affordable well Sean beans taken sorry anyone elses what you've taken yeah Liam leastly evasive course yeah let's go recognizable voice Coakley voice yeah yes yeah I need to say you know if you don't pay your phone bill I will find you yeah I'll find you at all yeah I'll kill you sign up to our network don't pay I'll get you exactly I definitely sign up so you owe me no going on the market moment yes there is and it feels like there's there's a lot happening is all it's all down to the BT guy buying EE or Liz trying to buy EES pending regulatory approval and that has thrown the whole mobile market into crazy upheavals so we've got the company that owns three Hutchison one power and buying 02 of trying to buy 02 pending regulatory approval yeah we've also got sky says that it's going to make its own mobile network and now we've got Dixon's car phone also throwing their hat in the ring that's right yes weird just when things have got all settled down and nice and we all had 4g well I'm all nice I'm cautiously optimistic about this particular news the owner of the sort of sky and Dixon's coming in and making their own that there are no it's because the new players will balance out the fact that the other players the other major networks like you say are combining so BTW any combining that kind of thing and 3 and 0 to be buddy so I'm the is it that way around it's one of those but yes I mean they said if the market shrinks and has less there's less network then you know there's less competition and yet price-wise that's not a good thing so so from our point of view from the consumers point of view we kind of we hope that there when new players come in that does keep things honest yeah we're keep that keep everyone I'll tell you what remember when tesco mobile launched and they had some crazy deals yeah of stuff generally yeah we were always writing about them because like they're selling what for how much it's likely um so and you know that was an mvno comment but whose network that we're on I stay over tues but nothing that's possibly true yeah oh it doesn't matter Gemma but um yeah so I'm a little edgy as well then it's on I'm testing that's right that's right it's so hopefully a bit more of that yeah cool absolutely speaking of mobile phones on a lighter note this is viewers of a sensitive disposition may wish to look away now scizor it is country terrible you know how sometimes corporations will try and show their human after all that they have a human side and it all goes wrong because they're not human exactly I think we the best i think it's the case of show not tell at HTC is basically dist apple and samsung in a rap video wait for it so mark if we could have a quick look at a clip of this this is HTC recruiting a rapper from p.m. dawn to rap about how great the m8 is so we can have a clip of this i think yeah yep your phone was all glass why you changing too now you're chipper slower but you'll never touch up on Sam morning a few clouds to what we originated we only universe your galaxy is over rated I mean cuz i am not an expert on rap music maybe it's an ok rap but it's not it's not is it good it's pretty bad this is i'm not sure if this is as bad it's definitely up there with the blackberry's on they did a few years ago to remember that was kind of a country rock corner yeah that was look that one up if you if you if you can face it you can keep Daniel if you haven't eaten like this yeah what do I mean hopefully fingers crossed this was meant to be rubbish and they were hoping they're going for the column inches but what about what our readers and listeners say about this readers and listeners you care about them more than you care about me we'll talk about it later not we'll talk about it later it is true es un intel says agree with the comments others have posted on how ridiculous this is but HTC should have gone a step further they should have backed a good cause and challenged Apple and Samsung to a rap battle sort of like the ALS ice bucket challenge is always thinking of others is es un intelligence you editor yeah do you think Apple would rise to that challenge and create Apple strangely silent on the rap battle frontier oh yeah whatwhat's Apple said nothing yeah notable buys abs in fear um samsung probably would I probably think and you know in ill-advised um speedy says yet HTC can't update their phones in the time they promised when I bought the phone the MS yeah because all the all the engineer yeah engineers whose should have been working on the phone have been producing this rap video plus yeah you see the thing is BTW there's only corporation only have so much money exactly and what they what they've done is they've taken quite a lot of that money let's do and instead of spending it on the updates they've they've put it into a rap video yeah so I mean maybe just watch the rap video on your phone and and try and enjoy that it makes sound business sense when you think about it it does it's just this is business 101 right here this is busy yeah i mean this is this is how alan sugar did it this is how Richard Branson did it yes you know this is how America does it's just how you build an empire folks anyway speaking of building empires google is taking on uber and uber is taking on google so this is it's a funny one so google is said to be considering a ride-sharing service which is what Luber already does and uber is supposed to be considering self-driving cars which is something that Google already does so uber has has announced they go putting some money into in a new lab called uber advanced technology center which a little bit fascist actually and that's gonna be located in Pittsburgh and they're going to work with students and staff from the Carnegie Mellon University to work on self-driving cars and the boss of uber Travis kalanick who is in no way a pantomime villain what did he say while twirling his moustache and he's learning his cape around yeah he said well that tyke someone to the train tracks he said the reason uber could be expensive is you're paying for the other dude in the car he's talking about the driver there when there is no other dude in the car the cost of taking an uber anywhere is cheaper which is obviously fantastic news for the drivers yeah whom the entire uber business is base so imagine there have a very happy to hear this news no totally absent ecstatic way to throw your entire workforce under the self-driving car tyranitar into the train tracks exactly z and also on the site on the flip flip flip side of that google might be wanting to get into taxis according to a report from bloomberg is it how substantiated is this is totally unsubstantiated it's unsubstantiated so we don't know yeah what's interesting though about that is that obviously Google's kind of pouring money into these self-driving cars probably the most interesting thing that Google's working on now and they really captured the public's imagination so I that rubbish or Google glass does gone forever issue we talked about but this could actually be a way for Google to maybe make some money from those cars exactly the network of taxis like beetling around that aren't being joined by anyone mmhmm yeah yeah that's a great idea what I noticed Apple of course is so straight yes I strangely silent tell me there you go yep they bought another about our readers there then also on this one they're not silent at all osman underscore shez says so cool i would like a taxi service without a driver that isn't constantly swearing coughing watching porn or asking me questions about why I look the way I do right um I mean that sounds like that is good point they sound like bad tactic experiences um boarding California says it's scary enough to contemplate riding a self-driving car made by a tech giant Google uber the notoriously ethically challenged company that behaves like a corporate version of a sociopath would I trust my life with a product made by that company hahahaha somebody must be smoking too much that's GL uber doesn't have the best reputation has got a terrible reputation and um I one day is that links to the terrible things that it does I I think someone should have drawn and link to that yeah yeah between those two somewhere there's a detective looking at a big cork board and he's got a bread piece of thread interconnect he's connecting those two photos lately um anyway interesting times meanwhile on the flip side of that as for the Google getting into giving taxi ride saying not biased just smart says I wonder if their drivers will try to sell the passengers conversations to advertisers to that's very cutting I like it well Jeff max in DC says wow just wow if this is true Google but wait I think these being sarcastic Oh Google can be the world's finest purveyor of information on the internet and there's no shortage of improvements they can make in that regard sure and yet they feel compelled to screw around with concepts that have nothing to do with their core business or their inherent strengths just a complete lack of focus that I find utterly astounding that is to actually those goods that is a good point yeah I like Google with no focus remember when done google yeah if on google hun google's gone will you used to be cool everyone and I think it was Larry of the to Google blokes and he was like we're going to put more wood behind fewer arrows I think was a quote and what that's great what that meant was we're gonna kill off like labs and one's fun stuff he thinks he can install on your gmail to make it do crazy stuff yeah yeah I want my style is all going so gone that is a shame well self-driving cars they're the future perineal no we won't need anyone when you taxi drivers soon Alan Turing's lost notes survived 70 years stuffed in the walls of Bletchley Park rich why don't you take over well doing well I couldn't handle the responsibility sets out to the plate Mike let's get down to the plate and I drop the ball so my sports metaphors are all over the place so go picture the scene England 1940 top secret military base Bletchley Park mathematician Alan Turing and his colleagues are hard at work cracking codes ok a rhythmic tapping noise fills the air isn't the latest Morse code transmissions from German High Command no it's their teeth chattering because I a Bletchley Park it was very very cold so they took to stuffing the walls with waste paper stuffing the holes in walls with waste paper and I hoping the roofing insulate the huts and what waste paper is lying around in a secret military base secret note this top secret no top secret night say yes so even though they were supposed to them destroy these nights never seen we were you thinking about it and they just grabbed some waste paper and they stuffed into walls and it's now been found or it is found in 2013 anyway it's found come to years later they said these notes that were found they were come unscrambled and later you can see how they were found in the roof there and they've been unscrambling there in a bit of a bad way but you can still make out the kind of pencil and crayon writing so this is a handwritten notes by all cheering in his colleagues I mean this doesn't mean anything to me it's just an ocean of numbers and codes and slashes and stuff absolutely and what's interesting is that some of these notes think they can't decipher they Veronica Lee today's experts are looking at it and some of them the licking I'm going all this one hand write an example of this particular type of system right and others they go oh I have no idea what that means which i think is best that's amazing so yeah it's amazing we still haven't cracked it yeah this is a pretty cool you've you've been to a battery pack of new there's quite a while ago there was nothing yes I went a while ago before is refurbished and I would like to go back now it has been refurbished it has a sort of well when I went at least i would i would say it has like a ramshackle sort of charm i love how you're dancing around a zero yeah i'm yeah i mean if well when i went if you're expecting a kind of slick sort of museum experience you don't kind of get that is a bit so let me show you show yourself around it kind of lots of volunteers and stuff which is nice and it is i think it's really good it's really important that's been kept up yeah it's quite lot of information about pigeons as well pigeons role in the war and and if you overlooked it often overlooked this icing it criminally so well i mean like i say it has been refurbished it does it pretty cool we have photo stories on the website so if you if you can't get out too much about yourself and you're interested in this kind of period of history that check out with a couple really good photo stories that we hope you can have a virtual tour is really interesting yeah exactly it's real interesting a period of history and most little bit we've arrived revival and interest with the annotation game coming out and that kind of thing I mean if I'd known about this when I was there I'd have had a look in the walls I wonder what else would they be nice that's good anyway on that night finally we also want to talk a little bit about Black Mirror another British success story it feels but actually that's something weird isn't it go from world war two to a TV show you know what when we were with the black merry christmas special which which i watched and afterwards I was just oh my goodness i baited my whole career is in technology and my my one of the bodies of sailing technology yeah offer what off the edge of a waterfall or something then and then i watch the imitation game cinemas like oh maybe computers are good i don't i don't know anymore so i'm so confused it is thanks to black mirror and Bletchley Park yes I just don't know niggas that's the crisis this is good listeners tell us its technology good we talk we don't know anymore help us help us I mean it's certainly shiny it certainly is no saying it's not shiny so that what we're doing were here is by a black mirror which so many of you may have seen it's a british TV show created by charlie brooker professional c'mon shin misanthrope and sometimes journalist and black mirror is the story is kind of an anthology so it's like the twilight zone it's a kind of modern-day updating of that which tells you certain ease kind of one-off stories about the dark side of technology and how it kind of how it feeds into the human frailties and weaknesses that we that we all have any way and the reason that this is kind of come up again that in December European on netflix in the US and the Americans have gone gone nuts for it they've got absolutely absolutely cuckoo for it so yeah go ahead and save dominoes and thus others now to the point where there's actually talk about a us remake so there you go I mean you're in the u.s. reason Union yes I was in the US for CES and I was talking to loads of our esteemed cnet colleagues and honestly loads of people ask me about black mirror like i like i haven't even seen all of it and i think it's really good and i live in the country where it's made but yeah everyone wanted to talk about it so it it's just it totally was a total kind of phenomenon and I mean obviously you're at a trade show that would have been a bit of it yeah so you know yeah exactly so the subject was no it's I mean I actually watched it for the first time relative reason I saw a couple episodes when it was on but I kind of caught up with all of them on over here and it's great whatever we like about it each one has this kind of like dystopian future with this great kind of strong concept and then kind of the Hollywood way of doing it would be to tell this big story about how everyone rises up and smashes the system yeah I mean there's a particular episode for example where everybody has like memory implants where they can record everything that they see and then they can play about the things they see oh yeah and the kind of the Hollywood version of that I guess would be to be like there was a murder and they were investigating a murder using that that kind of minority minority approach but instead the story they tells his very small story about them a wife's infidelity and a husband's jealousy about how the kind of that's that that's a human frailty that already exists but it's kind of fed into by the technology there I'd only like they have these very small thought it does mean they're very very bleak because they'll never get smashed in the head of Lee bleak I mean that's what the shows speak theme of the show isn't it how sort of technology doesn't do anything to iron out basic human failures hmm yeah speaking of which actually if this a bit of a tangent but if you are a fan of black mirror and you there's obviously no new episodes coming anytime soon but you might wanna check out X macula the movie that's at the moment alex garland oh yeah film that's very similar it's got a kind of like science fiction high-concept have you seen it I did I have and can you talk about it I can now because it's finally out in cinemas I saw it like a year ago and I wasn't loud to talk about it for ages but it is it's very very good yeah cool it's kind of a love triangle with the robot but anyway they're speaking of a triangle with a robot yes exactly did a bit on the poster it's a love triangle with a row but that should have been the title and then yeah they were two acute angles the third angle was a robot the third angle was obsolete or something nice I get that the third angle was dealing anyway think ex machina would have worked if instead of the robot that they had it was a Dalek oh no I think it would have been even better ten times better yeah that if that should be the first half of next Doctor anyway we're getting a little bit off the point so yes on the subject of remakes steve mclaughlin to says i don't understand why we remake even bachmann steve mclaughlin to okay cuz even got the still owes me a tenor so that's why well this is steve mclaughlin do he's probably put the two on to disguise the fact so it would slip under your radar got it right right right anyway steve says i don't understand why we remake American versions of british shows i assume steve lives in the US and many times they're a lot better originally like Top Gear for example it's a sad state of affairs when top gear is the prime example for example but like Top Gear is like our biggest national X boys and it absolutely it is yeah yeah yeah I think I've I think that's their habitat has been an american version of top gear and it didn't rework yeah I've seen it I've seen it and so did that wasn't very good yeah I thought I mean I actually looked at where I was writing this a scar roll it did a list of a british shows have been remade in the s try and find some good examples and really the office is it yeah that's the only one where they've managed to both capture the spirit of the original and bring enough new to it that it's become a new thing I mean there's been so many high-profile phase like the IT crowd and red dwarf and all that kind of thing yes and they go I mean the thing is now it's not reason s essere anymore because I'll see why they do it because in the old days you know people wouldn't invest in people in other countries wouldn't necessarily yeah this is how you would get that show yeah right exactly but now you've got netflix you got BBC america so yeah there's but it's great to see people enjoying Downton Abbey and it is a great enjoying Downton Abbey yeah just your Mountain hold out anyway all right well that's enough for the news there's no quiz this week there's no Andy so we're going straight to the feedback loads of feedback this week yes all right let's hear what you guys been saying in the feedback so we asked you on facebook we're recording the senior UK podcast later today quick ask us anything and three of you gave a thumbs-up likes to that post and those people were Ricky Kumar ruckman Abdul Khaliq the rock and Stefan Allardyce great thanks guys see the feedback coming cnet UK podcast at CBS I go all the way street we need we need you to keep us out with it I feel like we're giving a lot and you know like all you know we didn't even get one of the like what's better custard creams or being kicked in the stomach yeah come on guys come on guys you've got you know you've got to contribute something as well should we make up our own feedback we could yeah um what do you think is good about Star Trek are too many things the list see it's not that hard listeners that was that was that was great to take that question textbook because yeah follow this example which gave a great answer as well classic great well the question keep that feedback coming yeah we need email address but maybe maybe I should give it a few more time all right yeah you can also find some Facebook intuitive yes absolutely absolutely right well that's it for this week thank you liek thank you thanks to our producer Mark for you will never see right we're off to work on our American accents for inevitable remaking Hollywood by