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hello everybody welcome back to cnet's live coverage here from international CES 2014 I'm Brian Cooley and with me are cats and ty ty pendlebury David Katz Meyer are seen at TV experts and you guys must love CES because no matter what they say it shows about tvs oh yeah a TV show just like this it's a TV show get it we're here to round up the top five television stories here the actual television device stories of the show so far when we're at the point now we can say this is the definitive list right pretty much okay absolutely so let's do it I know you've heard a lot about these TVs as we go along we're going to try and demystify some of the technology as well because there are some terms that are getting bandied around that maybe aren't fully understood so we'll learn you a little bit or we're going over these as well let's start with the samsung you 9000 what's notable about this guy well this is Samsung's real push into curved TV they're coming out with two series of curved TVs you 9000 have to be the 4k one the ultra high-definition one it's curved you know what else can you say I mean it's really easy to describe it's really easy when you have it on your wall to go you know what I've got a new TV and this is very different the one curved TV I got a chance to play around with was there OLED from last year that TVs curve really didn't impress me it would seem like the image was a little bit distorted I haven't spent enough time to really sit down and watch one of these curved TVs for an extended period of time they say it's really immersive a little bit like an imax where they're curved screens yeah but to me it seems like you know tiny bit gimmicky i'm not going to say that right yet because I haven't spent too much time with them but my initial impression is yet the problem with curved TVs is that they're really designed for one person you've got to be a bit of a jerk if you own if you have a family and you buy a curved TV because you got to sit at the age where you're at the apex that thing right because if you're up over to one side the near edge is going to get really distorted yes very much I mean you're truly off angle at that point yeah the curve isn't that extreme but you'll notice the distortion even more when you're off angle and that's you know it's just the nature of my other question about about curve well one observation that the video we just saw of those curved TVs and those are real sizes 60s and 70s range this is about the giant 105 everyone's heard about that's a different story but the thing I noticed is the curvature seemed to be more interesting on the 20 19 ratio that big boy they rolled out then I really felt like I was immersed do you think ratio will make curve more important the problem with that TV is that not many content is available in 21 by nine it's all 16 by 9 or 4 by 3 so if you're watching you know normal cable programming you're gonna be had there and all that's going to be playing back the letter box on the side right or you're expanding it and stretching it and if you want to stretch it and play around with it then you're looking at a curb stretch distorted you know cropped image is distorted 4k yeah it still looks great though okay ah now all the other thing about that is you know everyone's do buying TVs now LED LCD largely because they're so thin we love how they just kind of stick on the wall now we're getting TVs that are six or eight inches effectively deep because their current is that a weird reversal of consumer tastes yeah I think so I mean it it does mount on the wall that's one thing in Samsung's favor they are shipping wall now kits with other curved TVs least you're so right yeah so you can actually put these things right on the wall and it would make me walk into a room that has a curved TV on the wall that's that's pretty impressive itself but you know decor wise unless you put in a corner or something nobody's going to stick out a lot more than flat TV and I can imagine some people are maybe a little bit sensitive about the decor opting for the non curved UHD and of course Samsung has you covered with that too well that gets us to the next one the bendable well of course TV so here you have it both ways yeah do we want it both ways we want it flat you've got to have this I haven't actually seen it in person but it's got a motor in it so it actually cursor on the screen now so people can watch it in the audience they're there beside coming out kind of an accordion on the side the kind of make it tidy yeah that was me with the remote control justjust it was addicting band Thunder unban bend on bed but I didn't break you know I did it I'll jealously I can't wield that motor break I don't know I hope that's covered by the warranty you know maybe you got a thousand bends you know and then it said hope it's in-home service though yeah because I don't want to truck that thing out no so what it essentially does is goes from jerk mode to family mode right single person watching to family watching you can the weird thing about this TV it's not an oled TV I thought when I first saw it that it was going to be OLED which is the standard curve thing though headphones that are curved you know to bring a flex friendly technology this is an LVAD LCD so Samsung's engineers did something to make you know you're making the screen bend you make the backlight band you're making the frame around the edges Bend it's pretty phenomenal sort of technology the crazy thing what do we find out later early coming the second half of this year it's a real it's a real product not a concept this TV is actually coming out according to Samsung incredibly expensive die haven't announced pricing yet i guess i would say sixty to seventy thousand thousands of thousands of dollars yeah it's eighty five inches UHD if that makes a difference but really it's just call it Mandy alright which as good as they may say it is it's clearly not the world's best TV cuz Vizio just told us what that is lutely now we know we can everybody can write it down I'll go home now we know the world's best TV vizio says it's our my job is done what is this one the RS 120 yes so the 120 stands for the size this is the largest TV at CES that I've seen anyway 120 inch diagonal its Vizio they again Vizio says they are coming out with this television they hit all the all the great things that a TV reviewer like me really wants to see it's a full array local dimming with 384 zones it can actually hit the rec 2020 color gamut which means that it's got much wider color than other TVs out there and it's actually part of the 4k standard this wreck 2020 and no other TV i've ever seen and no manufacturers claiming to come close to this so it'll give you really punchy colors and they can do that but actually having white and red LEDs behind the screen so it's a really kind of phenomenal engineering front they've done here so again it's interesting because this TV is this an LED yes so it's an LED LCD and it's not curved know they've eschewed the two biggest sort of hot button things right and kind of go on serious performance right yeah i mean sorry for any local dimming is is our favorite you know kind of technology for LED LCD to make it look good again not quite as good as plasma there's some issues with LED LCD with blooming and like that but theoretically especially neff 384 loans this can look phenomenal what brings this what this brings to mind for me is the old sharp elite TV from a couple of years ago which bought the Kuro named the Kuro elite name and that was a great TV and it was a similar sort of technology a lot of local dimming zones a lot of money thrown at this thing this thing is not going to be cheap it's a 65 inch version to you know if you I don't know how much it's going to be for the 120 but long story short they put a lot of rd into this TV and it seems like it could be a really good television ozio has told us in themselves that their focus this year is picture quality and they want to educate the public about what local dimming is and how it makes a picture darker and brighter as well yeah basically just improving so they would agree in pixels trying to fight a backlight all the time when they want to show black or dark absolutely the backlight will dim in parts of the screen that are supposed to be dark and brighten imparts the screening supposed to be bright the end result is great contrast and tie you review the the e-series from last a series is even better this year they've come out with a new model of that um you're going to see in series of whose line all cos that's a busy oh okay what are you going to sing entry-level local dimming from Vizio which no one else's to okay so affordable with your favorite illumination yeah it could be a really good television which is great cuz plasma just ended so we want to get so it's interesting here is that so much of the stuff that makes a TV great is the subtler harder to explain stuff yeah you guys have to pull this out in every review and say look there the things that are really great are not tangible or gimmicky yeah they're measured in subtle degrees of contrast color and light management yeah and they cost money to do right and so yeah a lot of time but they did but you know they are necessary they don't necessarily pop on the show floor no you know they definitely do the opposite of that they'll pop in your home don't want a problem on so yes big I trust a review all right that's what way from the the panels in the displays themselves to the guts of the of two TVs one from hisense and one from TCL to up-and-coming upstart Chinese manufacturers who want to be the next Samsung and LG if you will historically and they've integrated Roku into a television why is that a big deal vs just having it on a cable well now home theater review of Matt Mackowiak basically loves Roku you've got a dozen different set-top boxes you can use you've got Apple you've got Roku you know there's there's others but essentially the reason the Roku is the best is because it's got the most services you know it's got like everyone else does it's got netflix but it's also got HBO GO which not many others have else except Samson got hulu I think you've also get spotify as well so there's a whole different bunch of little channel store you can go into one there goes on and oh yeah yeah and it's guys got PBS my kids at home love PBS kids there was like turn on roku daddys so you love that oh it's critical odeon this any keeps going watching something good beautiful family folks ever have a roku box i'm just curious love to think about umbria okay and waffle TV huh very good a chromecast Oh interesting mixture we've got yeah I don't see any TVs with apple TV in them at the show though but yeah one of the nice things about the Roku is it updates all the time these guys have been sending out software updates over the last couple years the boxes just keep getting better and better one of things about smart TVs is that they don't do much to upgrade their OS is once they sell you a smart TV you're kind of stuck with that operating system it looks kind of old in a couple of years that's the bore and they haven't done a great job no manufacturer if I'm if I'm reading your reviews right has done a great job with interface on a native smart TV yeah some are good some are you know not so great no but nobody's nailed it really the simplicity of Roku is really so simple so simple okay our last product on our list here is not a TV but a projector and you know one of the things our projectors are you got to put them away from the wall and things can get in the way you know people walking in front of projectors or what have you it's hard to move around the living room all the things working so sunny says push that thing up against the wall which most projectors you'd end up with an image that big what is this one doing well this it's similar it's called a short throw projector so again you can get 100 47 inch image from a projector that's right near the wall this thing is basically a piece of furniture looks like a little credenza there the projector kind of pops up in the middle that on the sides you can store your equipment and that sort of stuff LG actually came out with a product like this last year and we thought it was really cool as well but it's a new kind of television I mean it gives you a projector without having to have you know again all of that stuff and walking front of its ceiling mounted and that sort of stuff this is a lot more expensive than LG's is going to be thirty to forty thousand dollars definitely one of those concept high enhances uav's I love it 4k resolution that sort of thing so I mean Sony's done some great things with design I don't think this is an exception it's a great-looking little products gorgeous yeah and they have great projectors I mean there's sony SXRD projectors we reviewed what is interesting about these is that they're sort of deconstructed rear projection TVs so at the same time the Mitsubishi out of them yeah LG and sony get into them yeah it's a short distance so you're not worried about getting in front of anything it's that huge screen size that well not in this case had a good value per square inch but that's what your projections always did yeah but this one is actually furniture it's a place to put stuff it's a totally hidden television you don't to pay I mean compared to buying something that brings up your TV from the floor I'm sure that's a bargain and one of the things the benefits it has versus rear projection tvs that you don't have that narrow viewing angle whereas we'd be a projection because it's all over our piece bad though oh yeah yeah you couldn't watch them from the side but this one obviously it's on a wall it's a projector you can watch them for their own people that are weird you're just actually moving around its light on a wall yeah i see i love projectors I've always felt you guys have projectors or just TVs on the way yeah we use protectors at home I you know I don't have enough room right now but you know that's a dream but in the office we actually started doing projectors last year they've been really popular will do movie nights at the office that's fun but yeah we we stack two or three projectors one on top of each other and project them onto the screen we can compare it don't you want to go to movie night at the cnet TV lab I want to go to moving that at the scene that TV line next time that's the best night okay uh last thing is join hands gentlemen won't take a hand came again all right join us hold hands with the tech aficionado with you everybody come on everyone grab the hand this is not weird bow your heads o Lord we will miss you panasonic plasmas you've been our favorite for many years and a tremendous value you force took us but will forgive you amen amen amen the end of our favorite TV right yeah too bad this show is the official nail they're not coming out with any plasma Spanish that's it and am sung says they will yeah maybe okay so their name looking a plasma flag raised for at least another few months the only company who as has actually said that coming out with one is LG right I haven't even shown them on the show floor so yeah it's gone it's dodgy planners he's got a dodgy future sad and panasonic said in their press conference that they're gonna make LCD that looks as good as plasma whatever that means yeah why reverse engineers something to be as good as but more expensive right on understand that yeah I guess people are allergic to plasma because of the i guess the burn-in problems in it yeah I guess it has the stink of being the old technology it's not the exciting shiny object yeah yeah tell that to someone with the plasma in their home it goes I'm got this thing i'm watching it looks pretty good i feel these are plasma guns great oh yeah i love telling that inside store you go to our cnet TV experts homes and what do they buy with their money plasma right yeah oulad it'll be our lead but give it three or four yeah well that's affordable yeah absolutely alright folks uh thanks guys anything in the cat's meyer ty pendlebury our TV experts you know where to find their content at cnet com the television reviews right there these guys are the best they know the real world and what's really going on and what matters and what doesn't don't get fooled by shiny objects on the TV itself get that picture quality okay still lots more to come from here today including Scott Stein and Bridget Carey are going to demonstrate the best of new wearable tech that's been on fire here at CES and at the top of next hour a first at the scene at live stage here at CES for the very first time our cnet and espanol editors will be here talking all about the show in Spanish it's about time and to wrap the day I'll be back here end of day 5 p.m. pacific with brian Tong and 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