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CNET's live coverage of Apple's 2018 WWDC

2018-06-04
you you good morning and welcome to CNET live our coverage of Apple's WWDC 2018 it's so great to have your company I'm Alexis Avedis and because CNET is a big family of lots of very talented people we're gonna make this show a lot about them and about us here in the studio but before I start the introductions I want to say that this show is also about you too so we want to know everything that you think is gonna happen today at WWDC you can tweet us live at the hashtag CNET live we'd love to hear your questions and also vote in our poll two more on that later but let's get to the intros in the studio joining me I have the wonderful mystery and shirt hey everybody the fantastic mr. Patrick Collins tis I the man with the magic mr. Stephen Bates up y'all yo I'm joining us live on the line for commentary throughout the show we have from Cena smart home team in Louisville Kentucky they're amazing Miz Megan woloson hello hi Megan and all the way from New York we have the one and only mr. Jeff Bakalar hello thank you for having me good very very early on 12 p.m. wake time thank you for waking up earlier than thank you for waking up early for us Jeff we appreciate okay so the K night starts in around an hour's time 10 a.m. Pacific 1 p.m. Eastern Time it's happening down around 50 miles south of where we are here in San Francisco it is down in the sand Jose Convention Center so you can see a live shot here this is what it looks like outside throng of developers collection of developers what are we calling our collective term of devs they're lining up I think we go for a package of developers I'm zip file developer an apk or do we mention a github of very nice okay sorry this is normally an event obviously for developers we see a bunch of software announcements we see updates to platforms iOS watch OS mac OS n' and more sometimes there's some hardware announced so in previous years we've seen the home part we've seen some mac books although the rumors are pointing towards less of that this year very little hardware updates if the rumors are to be believed and it's a real focus on software and refinements we're gonna dive deep into that in a little bit but before we get started let's chat about our wish list so i have a very long very extensive laundry list of things that i would like to see from today the WWDC if you want to join me and write down your list of things you want to see hashtags seen it live but let's go around and kind of discuss what we hope to say from today the things we're looking for and maybe some of like the real outside kind of events though what are we thinking in stop list so I mean I certainly am a big complainer about the iOS buggy problem I think that I've been I have an iPhone 10 which I paid for myself and my biggest complaint about it is that the software has been so unreliable since it came out yeah I've actually had I've been on the betas just hoping every time a new update comes out that it's better and that it's actually stable and it every time it's just bad so we need to see Apple fix their software problems it's just this is ridiculous and by the way I'm not alone Scott Stein has also been talking about this and how buggy it is so I would really love to see that the other thing is multi-user you know it one of the things that I am increasingly doing cuz I'm a dad is I've got my kid playing with our iPad and he needs to be able to use it in a way that makes sense and with all the different apps I have on there and all the different things that can do it's really hard for him it would be really nice if I could have just one screen for him you know all the apps he uses he doesn't have to fish for them it's really nice so that what I would like to see that's what do you say the thing about the beta though I'm on the beta too and I haven't noticed that many oh I mean now I say this you know what's gonna happen I've just cursed myself anyway Patrick what do you want to say today well there's a couple of things real quick once it's the tenth anniversary the App Store which last year we celebrated a lot the original iPhone blow some candles so I'm sure we'll get some acknowledgement that and where it is and I'm interested to see if there's any like improvements the way the people who work for Apple the developers and the people who are outside Apple who developed their own apps if there's any difference in compensation or how things have grown in the past ten years they address any of that or this dividend the other thing for me is surprises there have been some rumors but there's not been a lot of rumors so I don't know I'm so excited to go in pretty clean and not know what's gonna be revealed there if there's like a magic piece of hardware or a new killer piece of software right now exactly we don't know that made that sound I would buy that the last thing is I probably won't be there but I'm a huge fan of the iPhone se and if there was an iPhone se 2 that had updated cameras that would be the form factor I just love I have a giant hands and I do you like the pluses but I just that small form factor fits in the pocket it's just been a little internally out of date for about a year or so now but it's a great phone still for a lot of people but the update of the cameras yep the other software was something a little more powerful on that I could be on and I have a bunch of friends who were not techies who loved the iPhone se it's a great way to have a somewhat modern phone with for not that much money and if they don't care about having enough flashy iPhone 10 or even an 8 it's perfect for them the form Factory is it's that classic form factor I have to admit it is eighties really nice to hold there's there's rumors are these are old rumors but there's rumors that there might have a larger display that's not kind of like the iPhone 10 to optimize space so that would be cool too not sure but that's probably a long shot but that'd be my home oh good wish list okay bitchin what about you what's on that list I just want Syria to get smarter because you know I asked Syria a lot of questions and she doesn't have the answer she says here's what I found for you and it drives me crazy and I always have to go deeper into my phone and open up Google or something or Google assistant and Google assist in always has the answer but I just wish Siri was was faster and easier and smarter so I don't have to go deeper into my phone to ask questions you know so true look the Siri question is such a big one and AI like Apple really has to make a big push in AI in this announcement I feel Siri has to get better Siri has to get smarter we saw you know the Google duplex demo that kind of like blew everyone's minds series probably not gonna do something like that any time soon at least not in this demo but that's kind of the level at which you know Apple has to step up to everyone saying Syria's behind Siri is behind and you know we see Alexa we see the assistant and it's just serious just not good enough right now for me do you think that Apple is going to launch a a I assistant that can work for barber shops and restaurants that will robotically answer the call for group Google duplex calls very very very silly video called an infinite loop where I got all of the assists I got the echo dot I got the home pod and I got the Google home talking to each other and just like it was just an endless ridiculous this is what's gonna happen is that in like a thousand years when we're all dead and human civilization is gone the aliens are gonna finally come over and they're gonna see these things talking to each other that's what's gonna happen it's gonna be Siri being well it's 11:00 a.m. available and Google goes no how about 10:30 and then the other one goes yeah it's just gonna be ridiculous like this is where we're heading I can't wait for that battery technology though there's good old battery here's our infinite loop just for so people can have us oh yeah take a look at the hey Siri read my reminders I found only one reminder okay Google what's on my calendar on Sunday on Sunday there's only one thing on your calendar it starts on the 18th 2:55 p.m. and the title is Alexa what's on my to-do list you have one item on your to-do list you get the point Ali died a couple of times yeah and that was just because of some connectivity issues and sometimes the speaker's didn't hear each other and so on and so forth so you could have made a cryptocurrency rig but instead you have anyway there's a how-to if you want to do that you can search on on youtube or unseen it you can find out how to do that yourself if you really want to it's actually kind of fun cuz I'm a geek and I love doing things like that so enjoy anyway I want to chat over to to Megan and I want to hear what you want to think what you want to hear from today's WWDC announcements maybe some home pod updates maybe like home kit what the heck is going on with home create yeah that would be awesome but I completely agree with Beecham I would love to see some improvements to Siri but specifically for the home pod so for instance it doesn't have voice training so I can't tell the difference between my voice or your voice which would be a huge improvement something that Alexa and the Google assistant already offer also controlling the Apple TV you can't currently say hey Siri play this thing on Netflix you can't do anything like that for entertainment crossover which is is a huge missin my point and and also calling you can't currently place or receive calls from the home pod speaker so you're limited to using it kind of as a speakerphone you pass the call over from I'm your iPhone to the home pod which works but it's kind of clunky and could be a lot better and homekit also could really use an update in terms of incorporating Android users I know that probably won't happen but Android folks can't currently access the home app so you don't have access to home kit at all which is super limiting and something that I would love to see added but is kind of a wishlist item that I don't expect to see I'm sorry what's this Android that you speak of haven't heard of this before wild and crazy I know but it wouldn't that be so great because it automatically alienates so many folks and also related to that Apple music right I mean it's completely closed off on the home pod you can't you Siri to pull up Spotify or YouTube or Pandora or any other third party music it's limited specifically to Apple's music services which I I get that's what Apple's thing but it would be amazing if they open that up and made it more approachable to other folks because that's a huge market out there for people that use Spotify and YouTube and other other things and right now you can't do that with Siri so right and that's that's so annoying to see to me I'm I'm a Spotify user and it's just the the lack of integration I mean the Apple ecosystem is so frustrating it drives me up the wall I mean I've listened to the home part I think the sound is amazing it's like the best sounding smart speaker right now but I don't use Apple music and I kind of refuse to use Apple music just because everything I've got is in Spotify I don't want to migrate everything again so the fact that I can't listen natively on the home pod it's just even if I have an iPhone even if I have everything else in the Apple ecosystem I can't listen to Spotify that's a big bug there of mine and Spotify on the Apple watch - oh my goodness I could go on for days you could I have this thing with music and Apple and and it's not called Apple music it's cold it's getting my songs from elsewhere anyway thanks I'm Megan [Laughter] what's on your Apple WWDC wish list well I don't have any things that I'm super looking forward to because I have an Android phone so I already have everything I need if there was one thing I'd want to see I'm committing was addiction to their products that's kind of like a no chewing off sort of thing I'm really genuine how they're going to helpful stop using our stuff to me that seems like you wouldn't want to do because you want to make money so I'm very happy it's been a u.s. mop for an addict stuff do you need to go to some sort of rehab is this a problem for you something like that I just used my phone I want to see apparently is it that's an interesting Nate so and that's that's definitely on the list for for one of the potential announcements in iOS 12 later today anyway we are gonna cross live right now we are gonna go to the the San Jose Convention Center and we are gonna check in with our senior editor Vanessa hand Oriana who is outside the Convention Center hello Vanessa happening I just want you to say hi to some developers over here I'm going to switch you over say hi just reminding everybody this conference is about them not us so well yeah and in that terms I've been talking to a few of the developers on the line and just to see what they're excited about cuz you know we can ask for a few things but it's really them who are developing the things that we're gonna be using so what they're most excited about our Siri updates overhaul of Siri I think that's probably relates to everybody not just developers I think we're expecting that as well or hoping for that as well also another thing that I found interesting that they wanted was the kind of some kind of marriage between Mac OS and iOS which we've been kind of hearing rumors about we haven't gotten quite yet but that's something these developers want to see to help them develop for both platforms and in terms I asked them kind of what their favorite products from Apple had been in the recent years and surprisingly at least for me surprisingly was air pods like a lot of them said the air pods what do they want what do they want they want you once they won the wireless charging case like we know they love the airport I just love them they just love the air pods that's why there are favorite products from Apple in the recent years which I thought they were gonna say you know MacBooks or the iPhone 10 or something air pods I was just it kind of shocked me a little bit that that was whether their favorite products in the recent years the other thing that they told me which was kind of cool was that there are some clues hidden in the agenda of the Developers Conference and now I'm not allowed to say who told me I don't you guys don't didn't hear this from me but there is an AR room so it means that we I don't know if it's just a Ark it related I'm hoping to see some hardware but it may it may be a clue into the the fact that we might see some hardware in terms of that they are mixed reality headset that we've been hearing about but don't get your hopes up I'm just telling you what the clues are somebody else told me that if you now ask Siri about those the air power mat that Siri actually now gives you a list of Apple stores so really I think that's another yeah okay try and try it Harry tell me about the air power mat able to answer that question and more except it sort of dictated all of the other stuff have been checking and the fact that she now says something about the air power mat means that it's coming that's what they're that's what they're saying I'm just I'm just repeating oh I like word on the street word on the street love it thank you for chatting to those developers so what's that what's the vibe like people are obviously excited right they're very excited it's kind of been coming in waves we're now seeing another wave of developers coming in I'll show you I'll switch off the camera again there was a time when there was nobody in line but it's pretty full yeah I've been here for a while guys bear with me but it's yeah people are excited it's it's kind of tame because there's you know it's pretty orderly it's Apple and there's not a lot of groupies here yet groupies or what a Tim Cook groupies like but you know something groupie related they are handing out these really cool denims dark denim jackets they've been handing out to developers I asked for one myself and they said no unfortunately wanting anyone yeah but they're these really cool black Levi's denim jackets with Kim's kind of like the the Android Kings from Mobile World Congress I don't know if you remember apparently they did this last year as well so there's some pretty cool cool swag over here from the Developers Conference that I'm hoping to snatch up maybe if you are if you wait for a little bit I might get somebody to oh wait look we have somebody wearing one of the Oh muddle muddle what's your name ask him what his name is is he put your name your name sorry Matt Dallas where are you from oh he's from Brazil oh really oh can he be can you get into the latest rap for us can he do a little toe music form it's kind of like a little catwalk they're kind of they got doing a little slow time you know Irene I know what he was wearing he was wearing the air bottle artist I notice that is a common thing there I mean you kind of had a place you got you know you got your babies well we had to do that for Skype purposes that jacket wasn't like the jacquard that don't go around feeling people's out I haven't told you what I'm excited for what I want to see here which obviously I think we all we all want to see Siri updates I bet if I just screamed out Siri updates people would cheer but I'm interested to see you what watch OS tells us about the next Apple watch I'm hoping around interface I don't think we're gonna get that but I'm interested in seeing watch OS updates I don't think anybody else has said that yet clearly I'm not a developer but maybe some women's health tracking features that might be a little more realistic than the round interface but you know that's that's what I'm here for yeah i think i think you and i we're we're very interested in that especially off two feet pants rolled out some of the women's health tracking stuff let's see if Apple is gonna do the same I mean there are some something yeah represent represent the ladies well you're doing a great job representing us they're down in San Jose thanks Vanessa a lot of us stay strong stay strong you and me we got this we got this we got this thanks Vanessa have a great time talk to you later thanks Vanessa joining us live from the San Jose Convention Center that was Vanessa live on CNN and we are of course taking your questions your comments over on the sea net live hashtag on Twitter and let's let's start talking about some of the things that we kind of expect that we want to say I want to kick things off with iOS 12 obviously the big update is is coming we pretty much know that is for certain today some of the things that we are expected to see less bugs so we don't think that this is gonna be a really big overhaul of the interface of functionality believe that's kind of gonna be pushed back a little bit just because you know there's been a lot of pushback from people on the issues and the bugs around iOS 11 especially so iOS 12 is really gonna start to refine all these to make sure they're there are fewer bugs that there is no huge changes really but if we want to talk about some of the things that we want to see improved in iOS in iOS 12 there's a couple things that I like the room is a pointing to things like in you NFC functionality so rather than just using NFC to do something like Apple pay which is the only function right now is to integrate and I've seen to be able to do things like say open our hotel door or I use it every day it would make life so much nicer I hate having you at my bus pass I know that's like the most nerdy terrible thing to say but I am waiting for the day I get to get rid of my wallet altogether that would be awesome I agree I mean like Apple pay itself it just is so you know when you find a place that has a contactless terminal there's no point pulling out your wallet I am almost ready to get rid of my wallet altogether I just need a little bit more of that support in contactless payments and if you know there was gonna be a feature to put a bunch of different NFC options on the phone as well I'm there for that like that to me it's a really useful useful addition and also new an emoji isn't one of the things on on the agenda potentially you send an emoji regularly okay so I have a 10 and I I don't really say that word very regularly you're excited for it to possibly use it someday look I do use it this is what happens you get an iPhone 10 you go oh an emoji and then you use it for maybe like three or four messages you go this is so cute this is so cool and then you never use it again and people who get the an emojis who are not using a 10 there are another platform they're like okay well you know whatever you know don't really don't really can one of the rizzo that anime who might be in face time so like Anna FaceTime face moji but I mean the idea of if you to facetiming then you could actually put on these animal tees I'm not sure that would be fun maybe for kids or families but or just weirdos works anytime for anything okay any time what I like what I what I like about an emoji though is it does point to a lot of potentially you could use those cameras on the iPhone 10 for besides just putting silly cartoon faces making your face but I just wish they could open that up to developers more so they could take control and maybe there's part of that got to be released this week or something if they're gonna launch it out into something like it's time that could be cool as a feature it's definitely like a headline thing that you like ooh this looks neat and then you kind of get tired of but if they did roll it up developers that might open for lots of more useful things right and that's a really good point is that kind of like this you know there's really interesting technology and then it's just being kind of softened with this really cutesy application so people kind of get really used to it they get used to having their face you know moving around and you know it really kind of humanizes it in a way that maybe you know people who wouldn't really get excited about face unlock or facial recognition or anything like that they're just gonna go oh oh okay this is kind of cute this is a cute application I like this see that's one of the things Apple does really well is they find a way to feature these really really things that are full of advanced technology in a very simple way so when you see an emoji if you show it to somebody I'm sure you have you take your Tanel at someone who doesn't have one try it their eyes this led up they get it right away you don't have to explain that it's like scanning your face and all that stuff it just works when an emoji karaoke was probably one of the best ads I'd ever seen I know it started on Twitter initially an apple picked it up but that was just so fun and I think it really kind of spoke to exactly what you're talking about how how amazing this technology can be and how fun it can be instead of just being this nerdy oh it's you know checking your face and all that cares right it's fun and that goes against sweet Samsung had their phones come out with a are emoji which was a horrific horrible experience on a beautiful phone otherwise they just had this really kind of like the kind of like the knockoff version of an emoji didn't work quite as well but so it would be interesting to see because I was obviously again the thing that gets a lot of attention the thing that we're all gonna write about is if there's an update to it but I think that might be just more of a signal for more things to come right exactly and over on the scene at live hashtag we have a question from Alpha Rex he says do you think that iOS 12 will have any changes to the design whatsoever the design is getting a little boring especially the icons yeah agreed I mean that flat design was a kind of a love it or hate it when it first came out and I don't think iOS 12 is gonna give us the big visual wow that we perhaps would like at least that's not what we we think you know it could it could be surprises there I just don't think we're gonna see a huge visual overhaul unfortunately but you know let's see we've gotta wait and see we think of these new iOS is they're not only running on the new phones are running on really older phones I think right now iOS 11 can run as far back as the iPhone 5s which is a very different form factor and engine driving all that so I think that's one of the challenges when you want to do a big visual overhauls how will all that back support go on phones that are for 4.5 years old we look on Android I think on Google they've only promised the pixel to be supported for three years for their software it's not a long time long enough but uh it just goes to show that Apple's definitely has a commitment to doing that but also leads to like ian was talking about those bugs that we experienced and then you have different interfaces for the iPhone 10 that you have for the 5s blah blah blah head blowing up in frustrations right well fragmentation I guess you're saying it's for Android it's a huge huge issue I mean at least for but iOS it's much more contained and keeping it in that kind of container is a lot easier with only a select number of platforms that you can actually have iOS on so yeah I uh Chazz I want to say a nice new whiz-bang iOS 12 in terms of the looks and I think we're gonna get it but the other thing I'm kind of excited about this is a really gues mundane addition it is horizontal support for face ID and face on look like this is a this is a big deal me I often have issues with face ID do you do any of you gents number one issue with face ID is the morning when I'm trying to unlock from my bed I don't know why yes but for some reason the iPhone 10 doesn't like me to be in bed when I'm trying to unlock it and so I always try to or three times and I give up and enter the passcode so whatever it takes horizontal turn it upside down right you know wave it over my head I don't care it just make it work please I'll do it whatever you want me to do just make it work and I'm like I'm like to use case where it's always works even if I'm doing it and I'm half awake in my eyes like this it'll just pop and I'm not sure what's it that speak because I think you do have cases of both where people are just really frustrated by it not being consistent and yet at the same time I wouldn't want them to do anything that would make it less secure because we see versions again of have face unlocks on Android phones that are super fast like ridiculously fast but then they're like oh you can't use this for banking because it's not secure enough just basically like having a screen door and for your main door of your house whereas apples is still very secure and the couple times it has hiccup it hasn't been too bad but the horizontal would be killer because it's just like gonna make me twist my wrist this way like that this is a thing with the horizontal to it it's also hinting at iPad so we you know although we might not see the iPad update refresh today a pro or you know any of the other models even though we did have the the new iPad at Chicago event in March it's not gonna be that it might be pro but probably not today at least a horizontal face ID and look kind of gives us the potential for that face ID module to be integrated into the new iPad 2 and going back to it ian was talking about with users how cool it would be for you to have your own face idea unlock your user and then your son or daughter to have that and unlock their this is like pet peeve Monday here [Laughter] personalities of many faces my wife for example we sometimes grab my phone when I'm driving and she has AG always has to try it a couple of times and then get the passcode having more than one face would be great this fingerprint sensor you could put multiple ones in there but people had some trouble with even using maybe they're fit thumb or index finger though tip you'd always tell them is just do a second one like that yeah because then it would trigger so being able to have like even multiple versions of your own face in there might make it be more reliable in that sense but even especially if you have multiple users exactly on the iPhone maybe the iPad it seems like a smarter and it's if you're a Russian spy who just finished the Americans and you need to unlock your phone that's how the show ended they couldn't unlock their phone it was really happy get my phone unlocked well I think also the other thing with iOS 12 is regardless of what happens we're going to get a real big hint at what's coming in the future iPhones and iPads as well so whether that's you know a face ID module or what have you it's oh it's gonna be a real indicator what's to come um split-screen I want that on on the iPhone I really I really would like that like on the iPad I would like that functionality on the iPhone black on Android as well I hope there's something about that and notifications some sort of grouping please something to clean up the mess something to clean up the mess please just because it's just unwieldy like my homescreen it's just getting messy I go to the stage where I'm actually actively turning off notifications right right it's just too many even if it was just an option to group them by like similar types that would just solve so many things there and that's something I do enjoy about Androids I'm operating systems to set simpleness of it but then you come to you the nightmare of vomit of vomit we're gonna talk about my two-year-old so your two-year-old basically is the inspiration behind the the lock screen of my iPhone right now because I go to it there's just so many notifications and it's dissing I don't even I'm exhausted just looking at the screen trying to figure which one I should unlock exactly back on the the multi screen multi app thing my biggest problem with the iPad pro it's like 90% where I needed to be but I have I use Evernote right it's despite the fact that I have a very love hate relationship with that company right anyway I I can only have one note open at a time and it's it's really tough when I'm writing I like to have my notes open and the thing I'm writing in and I can't do that with the iPad pro and I can't do that with most apps in the iPad pro but of course I can do that in the Mac and so making it so that I could have I saw one rumor of multiple instances of an app that would make life so much better cuz then I could finally have my notes and my thing open at the same time and I think that mean that I just try to be the nerd here but I think some of that might also have to do with security especially if multiple windows open I'm not sure why it works so easily on a Macintosh but I could think of you'd want to have more than one Safari when it would just be a very simple thing to do right very simple and just like I want an improved Safari the iPad please that would be Chrome and Firefox really honestly run on it right stop requiring that we only use safaris web and web reader right like that's one of the problem is that both Chrome and Firefox after use safaris technology when they're running in the iPad and the iPhone and actually allowing them to be them would be awesome right there's a lot of stuff like that like letting Google Voice take over the dialer or letting you know setting defaults that aren't just the default Apple programs would be so nice but let's be realistic that's well we can we can wish do you guys want to take a question from the chat room and say we get a bunch of we got our spur D I believe can the iPhone 5s support iOS 12 I guess we're gonna find that out today we know it does 11 and it's basically a very clean version of 11 that's why I can run on that but it'll be interesting if they are able to do that it's she is predominantly background fixes but if they did things like multiple windows and stuff I don't think you're gonna get that at the 5s see people want the small phone maybe I totally underestimated I like a bigger fire I mean I totally understand now you're gonna you're gonna make me want this new SAE and it's not gonna come and then I'm gonna be disappointed and I'm gonna have to wait until September that's what's gonna happen you know you're setting me up for disappointment well then I'll send you messages and just clawed your home screen with notifications lots of different questions on the CNET live hashtag on twitter as well one from Hamza excited but nervous for iOS 12 must compete with Android he needs new features and not just stability that's interesting I disagree I want stability just give me stability I would be very happy there are new features I would like we've talked about them but let's just make it reliable and he says like not just a building I think that would anything with the Android P was it was a lot of stability stuff there's also stuff like digital wellness and so many gestures and of course the infamous not support for Android phones but as far as like bringing some of that to iOS I think the thing that we see also in our feed is from applesauce says how about a dark mode I think that would be clever right yeah that is something that I love on Android is be able to go into a dark mode on like the 1 + 6 or so I'm like that it's just I mean it seems like such an easy answer I've never understood all of the excitement around dark mode like it seems like something so easy to do but this is where I'm not a developer so I probably sound like a moron it seems super easy like when Twitter did it it was like a revelation in the tech industry and it was like you know suddenly the the tablets had come down from Mount Sinai you have dark mode oh okay sure great okay this is from back in my coining days when I was coding it late at night I wanted a doc mode for everything because it was just too blaringly bright this is before all of the blue life filters and everything I was like give me a doc mode on everything so developers I hear I won the doc married - I'm not creating at night anymore but if I was I would want that so I he oh man when I was doing theater directing we'd be in a dark Theater for tech rehearsal everyone has their screen flipped into like accessibility mode to invert colors which is kind of like a poor man's dark mode but it's still not the same yeah I think that would be very useful anyway let's jump across back to Kentucky and we're gonna be joined by Andrew get hot from seeing it how you go in Andrew what's happening I'm doing well yeah excited about Apple I'm hoping they give us some Smart Home goodness something to chew on they they seem to be falling behind quite a bit between Alexa and Google and so some additional integrations would be nice to catch up a little bit and give us something to make us excited about home Kate again yeah so I mean like oh wait where does home kids stand in comparison to the competition like give us a kind of competitive outline of the landscape here so hope gets way behind and it didn't it wasn't like that for ages because home kid was actually out before Amazon echo before Google home before all this stuff and home kit launched with you could organize stuff into rooms which was cool they were unifying all these third-party products you could command everything at once with scenes all that stuff was really cool so home kit was kind of on the cutting edge and now you can of course do all that with your Amazon echo with your Google home and Amazon echo and Google home have way more integrations so recently Apple did away with this requirement that devices have this MFI chip that helps them secure their devices and Apple did this really quietly so now it's just a matter of software verification for these devices to work with home kit so in theory the barrier to entry for third parties to work with home kit is a lot smaller now so it could be a really easy win for them to say hey we got a bunch of new smart home stuff here you go guys right and so I've been like well you know there's been features like google routines alexa blueprints kind of like making a very customized way to interact with your virtual assistant your smart home devices do you think that Apple is gonna do something similar I mean they could but here's the thing again homekit used to be this thing that was innovating right because you talked about google routines and alexa has something also called routines technically they're mimicking to an extent what Apple did with scenes years ago so but now Google's routines and alexis routines can do a lot more in addition to controlling a bunch of smart home devices by saying something like you know hey Google good morning it can also play podcasts play your favorite news feed play music and control a bunch of smart home devices and by the way I'm sorry if I just tripped a bunch of people's smart speakers you know and still seems for home kid the only thing you can do is control smart home devices so that would be pretty simple thing to have customizable scenes that were a little bit more robust than what they were years ago but you know at this point Alexa and Google assistant work with things like large appliances air purifiers coffee makers just a whole bunch of neat smart home devices that are kind of cool that you can control them with your voice and it would be nice if Siri would catch up that's great well we're gonna be watching with bated breath and I know you will be watching the keynote with bated breath for all of the home care stuff and you're gonna stay on the line and join us if there's anything exciting in that realm all because we want to talk to you about this stuff you know man it's just on top of this all the time sorry stick around and thanks for your thoughts now Andrea we'll talk to you soon well hey thanks talk to you soon I'll be right here alright stay tuned feel free to pipe in to your mics yeah yes if you want to just jump in and interrupt us if we say yeah all right let's uh let's also jump back over to Jeff I want to say hi so I'm gonna wake em up alright it's a you know it's what 12:40 p.m. yep it's almost lunch so you know we really gotta move it oh I know I know even tail lunchtime you know that cannery going Apple very inconsiderate doing the so I mean this is the the part where I kind of want to talk a little bit more about that digital addiction stuff that you were mentioning obviously we saw Google have a lot of those tools in the Google i/o keynote there's a lot of third-party apps that also have kind of tools to help you reduce usage of your phone but what do you want Apple to do like how do you see them basically making you less wanting to use your phone less when essentially you know they want you to buy more hardware that's kind of and I want you to use the software that's kind of their revenue model like what is the balance see this is gonna be tricky to do I don't know how they're gonna do it other than you know the only thing I could think up is like how you have a fitness tracker says get up you sitting for six hours go walk around something like that if it did maybe that you're looking at your phone for that big thing in tender with I think the European being you're playing two hours but just like go out there's fresh air you could see the world they might do imagine so much happening with the new Iowa and the addicted me personally i a couple Apple Apple before K I got for free motion of an iPad when I see two big incorporate unless you prefer like myself I feel like I can obviously have an apple can't really have haha like that I just more sorry heartily totally hear those totally because the thing is with the with these like these kind of prompts like I hear on this this front I promise to kind of like get off you're fine the Cayenne Apple has the ho with Apple watch if you have especially you know you have the the breathe function you have like the standing things really annoys the heck out of me and it actually doesn't make me more inclined it would makes me more stubborn and I go well no I'm not gonna I'm not gonna breathe I'm gonna get really tense so I mean it's gonna it's gonna be interesting to see how they do this on on you know your device because a lot of people just just gonna ignore especially if it's a little notification you just gonna go sweep just like you do with a message unless it's gonna be full screen your whole device is on lockdown I'm sorry you have to go outside and I'm gonna know because you have a location services turned on and you're gonna have to go for a little walk before you get access back to your device my wife listens to those rings all the time and she like she constantly comments to me I didn't close my rings oh it's telling me I should take a walk like those things work with her so there it may be just a weird type a crazy people in this room and that we're like no don't tell me how to feel but but that it actually works with some people because I mean it's really surprising to me sometimes how often I hear people remark about how these things are helping them that's like it's a little bit of it like having a pack of cigarettes to tell you not to smoke it's kind of because when you've reached that point phone is like a cigarette well it's some people compared to say it's addictive at least people obsess about how they use it and they have obsessive behavior with it and I'm not sure if that's always the point yes that would be nice to have even something like one of my favorite things is one plus six has a reading mode so you could actually program different apps to go in black and white but that's kind of a gimmick some people try to use to not be like teased by the candy colors of your phone and wanting to go back into that so there could be little useful things like that that might help but I also feel like by the time you get to your phone expecting the thing that you're obsessing about to tell you not to obsess about it or to turn it off or put it down I don't know how effective that would be just not sure yeah I'm not sure either anyway it is time to check in on yeah okay well we're trying to call Scott Stein who is actually in the San Jose Convention Center anyway well could we'll check back in with him when he is on the line um but let's let's keep going about watch os you know this is this is an interesting one because I know Vanessa alluded to it earlier when we cross to her there is a lot of stuff that I want to see what os5 improve upon now I know a lot of people talk about sleep monitoring and it's being built in natively now I don't really like I don't sleep with a watch on to me that's not that useful I don't know about you guys is that a feature that you know would be of use to you I take off my watch every night I mean I until the SmartWatch thing I wasn't wearing a watch so I feel like it's kind of not helpful to me but I'm also it's not that person what are you taking it off to charge your watch I'm taking off both to charge it and also to feel more comfortable like I you know I take off my wedding ring when I get home because it's just kind of how I relax and it's like you know I get into my sweatpants and I put on my little sweater and I take a like I take the jewelry off right and so for me that's just kind of how I do things and I probably not alone right I think a lot of people just kind of want to relax and this is a little inciting too big where there's routine right because I feel like we all have different routines we have and for some people it's not gonna be comfortable to keep it on and then but let's actually go to what it would do right if it would track your sleep and we have other things that kind of do that right and really what they're doing is they're looking at your heartrate and they're looking for signs of movement so depending on what kind of sleeper you are that's gonna judge that but then what do you do that information you know what do you do go like oh I have 3.5 hours deep sleep like Eric and I were testing these bands and it would tell us that we're like is that good or bad I don't know yeah and how do I increase my deep sleep to get higher height like four hours or five right and that's the thing and that's that's the really difficult is the analysis you keep the nail on the head there it's like how do you analyze all this data I mean I know when I'm wearing the Apple watch it's there's so many different apps and ways that you can kind of see that raw data you can go yes I took X many steps and I burnt supposedly X many calories but you know what do I do with this what's the next like how do I use this to improve like am i doing well what's the is this is a good baseline like there's none of that it's just very raw at the moment and I would love to see a better way to kind of integrate that into into the digital discussion and let's cross live now to Scott Stein speaking on all things Apple watch mister is Apple watch mr. potts mr. everything Apple Scott Stein on the ground at WWDC and San Jose come in can you hear us Scott and you hear us I've been seeing Twitter remarks about how bad the Wi-Fi is there yes do you think that's the we're expecting too much from the Apple watch maybe would there be would you guys welcome something that simplifies like the the interface a little bit and simplifies what we're trying to get out of the Apple watch for me absolutely I would love to see a simplification I would like to see a lot of improvements to kind of just like the cool functionality so like at the moment to me it just kind of it's a great way to be notified of what's happening on my phone when my friends not with me because when I go into the actual watch itself and I'm flicking through everything I can't do enough on the watch and we've seen like a whole bunch of third-party apps like get off the Apple watch essentially like stop developing apps I think this is this WWDC is gonna be a great time for Apple to actually take stock and say you know what third-party developers we're gonna want you to come back cuz we've got all of these other ways to do things and we're gonna make it simpler and we're gonna make it more effective way to see your data that to me is what I want to say I really want to see it more like turn into a tap my shoulder type thing like I don't like the whole idea of a full app on my watch to me isn't that valuable I do understand the idea of Spotify on the watch I'll get behind that but otherwise like what's really interesting is how actually not that awesome it is at just knowing when to get my attention right like if I if I'm if I'm emailing and whatever and I get a slack message and I don't know he came through it'd be really nice at the watch somehow knew to tap my shoulder hey did you see this this is important it's actually that the maps is perfect at this right like when I'm driving down the street it starts tapping my wrist as I'm driving down a it's about time to turn and doing more of that type of stuff and just you know lightly nudging me through the day I think would be fantastic yeah and I think there's like there's him so Apple can do some of that already like if you ever have multiple Apple devices or pairing the air pots the first time or carrying a Wi-Fi network those are all make neat little prompts and they just seem to work and I think it being more intelligent about the things you want or maybe even having a preferences that you go through and and have a respond to that I think you'd actually get a lot more people interested in the Apple watch and if it helped the battery life which is better than it has been when it was first released or was for the first release but it'd still be better yeah especially especially on the LT 8 if you're using LTE I'm sorry yeah just you're just really gonna have trouble alright Scott Steiner nice on the line but you are joining us literally just on the line not actually in a video form I'm sad I can't see your face but we can talk to you and that's for me I'm happy to hear so how are you Scott what's happening inside the convention center I'm gonna create a picture with audio Thanks we have yeah I could hear you we have really poor connectivity here no Wi-Fi right now and maybe that'll fix itself so everything cellular and what I'm doing is I'm sitting down we're looking at a giant wall of apps and app icons we can as we get ready for the keynote excellent and what have you seen in terms of like the the mood walking in have you seen any hints of like what might be coming today from announcements like do what are we expecting from will be seeing any ARV our stuff on the way in no I'm not seeing any Holograms yeah nothing nothing popping out and to grab me but you know those those images at the front you've seen which kind of look like on the invitation kind of like 3d widget II things a lot of very excited developers who we're also excited to see some of the press marques Brownlee got a lot of cheers I did not get any cheers good job and just keeping your head down but organized yeah very humble but very organized we don't know what we're gonna expect exactly because it's been pretty quiet maybe maybe no hardware and if that's the case you know iOS 12 is supposed to be a it seems like a quiet up gate to where they're made its be a lot of bug fixes I maybe Apple to catch up to some things that Google was discussing at Google IO multiplayer and maybe Google lens like features where he could use the camera and the watch I think needs a lot of updates I would like to see sleep tracking watch me after work I want to see the iPad finally get a lot better at being a real work device for four people yeah absolutely I mean it's interesting because we were just talking about we were just talking about sleep monitoring and the consensus ease is kind of like we know that excited about it I mean Patrick I think it's a little more excited about it than the rest of us but to you that's interesting I know you are mister augmented reality virtual reality I if Apple is gonna make some sort of announcement today it probably won't be that headset that we we heard about but what else you know a Ark it developments like are we going to see anything out of what in terms of a arcade are we gonna say to you things why should Apple you know it made a big move last year was was was taking the drivers fee for a R and now they need to continue that and show how people are going to want to use it more beyond just a gimmick you know the AR is fascinating but it's kind of like a few minutes of it I'm and then you know what you really need it for so bringing more people to use it again multiplayer multi-user because right now it's a single experience it's really just kind of a layer you put in stuff could it be more than that and like Google said before can we finally start having some tools where your camera acts as a smart tool with AR to bring up things in the real world or interact with things we're again interactive versus just having a dinosaur walk around after that I'm just sir will walk you around now how we need to figure out what to do with the dinosaur that's walking around maybe the dinosaurs are showing you where to go in your Maps kind of like the Fox well on Google Maps right I mean I don't know I like kind of like just the dinosaur just hanging out in real space but it's it's like we were saying before about and emojis you know having something that is kind of fun that's kind of relatable it makes it it humanizes a day and then because I ought to a lot of people it's like what is this it's it's a little bit intimidating and then to have something a dinosaur I'm both for the dinosaurs seriously it's a bit like the early days of like the iOS App Store right got a lots of apps that did fart sounds and how that evolved from just being very funny it's stupid apps to things that were more useful and I mean things like Spotify weren't even ten years ago right and if you think about a are just as it another interface to use in their phone and I mean as excited as it would be to see an AR VR headset I think Apple is onto something by keeping it very simple making it work on the phone and if you could have that as a shared experience that would be pretty cool yeah well Scott I know the keynote is starting really soon we're gonna let you get settled we're gonna be following you on the live blog thanks for joining us and we're excited to see what happens four minutes to Godspeed and good luck Scott thank you for joining us that was Scott Stein there joining us from the San Jose Convention Center in the middle of WWDC which is gonna start in approximately three minutes time I feel like the talking clock oh three minutes time the conference will start you have that tone you got that ton I could I was once told I could be the new voice of Siri so I consider this an audition sound you tell me that you know they can't understand what I'm saying I'm gonna look in continues searching on Safari I'm sorry Patrick I can't understand I'm gonna continue searching on Safari you got it you got the part yeah thank you thank you writing as a guy stop it let's jump in take another question on there seeing it live hashtag we got lots and lots of questions here so excited to have you all contributed to this show okay so your poll what about the poll all the pomp oh well okay I totally forgot about my poll all right let's go check in an on um up whole everybody let's try and pull this up so I did a little bit of a hop poll on that on Twitter this morning and I did ask what is the one thing that you would like to see you from WWDC today so I had four options Twitter and unless you have full options on a poll like seriously that's not enough for me anyway I said better Siri new hardware Mac and iOS integration or one more thing and I'm gonna try and place my vote yea vote please is that what I said better Siri I just want to see what people all right okay all right all right Oh okay so we have one more thing leading the pack what's your favorite part of the meal like the meal the salad or the desserts like anyway so with like new hardware people are still keen on a new MacBook a new macro this is the thing I want to say never gonna happen or at least if it does if it does maybe I'll eat my hat as they say you're not wearing it I know I'll find a hat and I will eat it i 13-inch MacBook Air with retina this is if you've watched any of the seen out lives in the past you'll know that I say this every single Apple shirt and it never happens and they I know they're doing it to spite me because that's the one thing that I want and unless it won't happen today either but Apple has a real problem the MacBook Air is one of the best laptops ever made and so everything they try to do to make it better has not gone that well right there's people complaining about the MacBook Pro keyboard and the MacBook keyboard and the MacBook just doesn't have as many features and look I'm still on an air right like it's it's obvious that they really need to just double down on the air more as they're trying to figure out what's next for laptops exactly and you know let's jump to the listener to the scene at live hashtag questions okay so we got a couple a lot of questions here okay still waiting for Apple pay cash here in the UK hopefully iOS 12 will bring that over here yes okay this is a big this is a big big deal because Apple pay cash is us only right now this is that peer-to-peer payment system with an iMessage within iOS that you can send cash to your friends it's kind of like the ven Murray the Pay Pal Bozell whatever what-have-you of of the Apple ecosystem Apple pay cash like have you guys use this have you are you impressed by it Apple pay cash Apple pay cash no I have not used it sits there and it kind of makes fun of me for being a zero all the time like feed me money because I even have money my itunes account but it doesn't work with Apple Kay cash so I just haven't either with their different things they're different like it's nice it's a different account well the thing and I have used it a couple times especially when you're going out and someone wants to foot the bill it's this easy to text summary message them write the cash and it's really neat you don't have to go into the mo or in another app that's always a conversation like what what do you have you have chase do you have vin mode if you're an apple great you can send you can send Apple pay cash in the US but if you don't exactly you don't you're kind of screwed Google pay send works on Android and iOS and it's faster than Apple fake cash anyway sorry I that's a that's another option no you should show us you should send me money right now another question will the airport series to be coming out this WWDC much what would series to look like that's what I'm curious about like the air pods are 90% perfect as they are they could last a little long the wireless charging sure but that's just a case you know I think the one thing I want is that they actually they actually read my mind and know when I need them to connect to a certain device like if they can invent read mind-reading technology and actually know like no I'm looking at my iPad right now why are you connected to my iPhone that'd be awesome but other than that they're perfect different colors okay the keener the keynote has actually started everybody sorry so it's an opening video so here's how this is gonna work we cannot play the keynotes live for you we are gonna talk to it play-by-play we have the CNET live look now there is a bunch of scene it is on this we have a shower tip can we have Scott's time we have James Martin doing photos and Connie and they're all gonna be tweeting and writing updates and posting photos generally what happens is that the live book is actually faster than the stream yes sir it's usually like at least a minute or two faster so we'll find out things like you will get your news here before you get it there uh-huh I love that can you make that a jingle beach yeah so we'll be talking through it play-by-play we're gonna have a bit of analysis we're gonna have you know our thoughts on things so we'd love for you to stick around if you do want to watch the keynote itself you can do that maybe in another winter and keep us open in another one and jump in with you questions on seeing it live we're gonna take them all throughout the show so keep it locked here you can also watch the keynote as well but like even believe it on us cuz we want to chat to you too and we can have some fun stuff so please stay tuned anyway so we've seen a video that started off the keynotes it looks like they're just playing a little jerky video about how hibernating developers attend WWDC look at that widescreen aspect ratio very like cinematic like it's such a such a photo geek I love it it's amazing it's apparently very loud in the keynote it sounds like they're at a rock concert and there's a little jokes happening Terius nocturnal cave dwelling creatures must meet daylight that's one of the little captions in the video that's happening that's kind of fun I think last year's intro video it was like apps disappearing from the fluorine screen what would a world look like without apps that was a great way to like bring them in and it was a neat shift for Apple like as a storytelling and it was definitely targeted for their audience which is developers isn't that basically what the home parties anyway so the video is still going um we see now actually there's a huge applause tab on stage everybody Tim Cook is on waving we have the WWDC iconography though is kind of like raised 3d icons HBO's Silicon Valley opening credits okay oh my goodness oh maybe that's a little a little much if you have my judge came out to be like way too started way to go out I love it alright well this is gonna be interesting what is gonna be the first thing that our Tim Cook is gonna come and talk about is it gonna be iOS is it gonna be privacy is it be security is it gonna be security yes it's gonna be all the phones that we bought that the media underestimated so horribly or is it gonna be something about the developers which is that I think yes I think so because it's sighs I'm gonna guess I'm interrupting your bad mood against the app store it's the 10th anniversary they remind us like how many absolutely oh cool 77 country is represented more than ever but that's the attendees it's always the call-out in the beginning it's interesting I was looking on app shopper I don't know if you all use it but it's a it's a really good way to kind of figure out what apps are on the App Store sometimes it's run by Mac rumors and there I found out there are over a million and a half apps in the App Store at this point they don't put out a number of these days but that's a big number right now that it's down just below a million and a half but I think what's interesting about that is to is like that's one of the things we're hearing a little bit from developers of stuff is being found and doing that and you look on the App Store actually on your phone it has got an overhaul feels a little bit more like almost like a website or a new site with different apps being featured and cartoon like these really cool illustrations we don't see that on the Mac App Store quite yet that would be an addition or pretty miss how to find these apps how to find that one in a million probably even harder to find than a needle in a haystack I think and we just saw some balloons so again we are getting my my birthday wish for you have to birth the app store like are insanely successful like I've heard from some developers that they've seen a huge pop way more than it used to be just getting like a little ad bar at the top of the App Store though when they do like this these what you know marketing stories about these developers they do really well so I think Apple stumbled upon something with that and definitely the Mac App Store could use right and you know yesterday Tim Cook tweeted this video that was about like some of the younger staff developers and some of the students that were you know working on these interesting apps - oh happy birthday our unis are you gonna sing clattering happy birthday app store happy happy birthday baritone voice that makes me feel things that's fine hashtag giant check is what we're saying billion dollars so that's the money that developers have earned through the App Store will now top a hundred billion dollars what's the current do you does anyone remember the current split between Apple and develop 17:30 daddy still okay yes sorry a hundred billion that's uh someone do the math well in the thing I think about too is like with that split that was again a split that's been around for ten years and it's worked really well but on the flip side it's also we see recently we saw the game developers team kind of run up against that too so it's curious to see if they're gonna keep going on with after gonna make exceptions with some of these bigger developers well tell you they had they found a way around it before and I wrote about this back vote and my previous job at the Wall Street Journal that those home screen of the app store things that is worth a ton of money in marketing and so Apple and Google both would actually try to get developers huge developers like EA Activision whoever to give them an exclusive for four months by giving them that prominent placement and they said this is worth that much money right and so and it usually worked and so you know it's interesting I think Apple may be able to keep that 70/30 split because the homepage of the App Store is so effective and they can use it as a tool to pay people essentially extra money and I think when we hear about that not working well with somebody picker developers those are definitely deaf more one-off cases but they're really big one of cases I mean the big one for years was Amazon right yes being able to just get through Prime subscription but it can't buy through Apple well notice those that fight is still the worst fight in the world the fact that you can't buy books through the Kindle app is just it's so petty to Silicon Valley Bowl you know it's so frustrating it's just it's just what it is and I don't know if it's gonna change too much today anyway Apple is changing this is a quote from - Corey Tim Cook Apple changing the world and making it a better place is what it's all about for us we aim to put the customer at the center of everything that we do and today is all about software no surprises there iOS Mac OS watch OS and TV OS and iOS is up first right now I'm again talking about the customer being the center of everything that we design scott says well in that case then that's maybe there's this new iPad pro given that it's uh it's gonna be all about the software unfortunately so yeah it's a it's a shame that we're not gonna say anything else no but we officially see that there is as we thought a name for it called iOS 12 it came to number like federighi is on stage aka hear Force One yeah cap apples software teeth look at that look at that coin that beautiful hair well you know just a little perfect there's an AR yeah there's there's apples AR use case right there they could actually a are pick favor use their onto yourself alright and it's a free update yes as if it wouldn't be a update to iOS 12 and then saying an iOS I need the approach of getting you free updates I need it I mean well if you think about we we think back 10 years ago you would have to pay for your updates to the Windows machine music or to the the Mac software was it free well no so the iPhone software was always free compared to other people yeah I mean you look at I think it was Windows 10 was the first time that it was free for PC users and it continues to be which is really interesting and a bunch of other people have followed suit absolutely you know also Apple actually had to go through with the IRS like specific changes the way that stuff is counted just to make it free for like iPod touch users and iPad users but now it's free for everyone I passed speaking of that where's you know we're talking about iOS supporting devices going back to 2013 including the iPhone 5s but yet like how does it is it you know good experience on the 5 there's an article that never got to finish running actually Ian came with idea where I actually used the iPhone 5s with iOS 11 and it was brilliant it was great it wasn't buggy but it's also very stripped-down from what you had on like an iPhone 10 what was missing like animations any animation well it was so pared down but also it's a smaller screen and it's I didn't have it didn't affect battery life whatsoever compared to like running it that's good to know well good to know now is that iOS 12 will work on all the same devices as iOS 11 that's gonna be faster and more responsive I am curious to see whether the developer betas are gonna be that because first developer Vedas are always slow as molasses it's not gonna be a great experience you know I'm just interested to see I'm I can't wait to see how i OS 12 runs Patrick is the man for that job I think I'm gonna be updating that story yeah I want to read that story right now okay so they're focusing on on oldest devices and then there's a wide applause for iOS whole being supported on a bunch of old devices - and saying that it's the largest space that iOS has ever supported an apple couldn't help but knock the competition there's something on Twitter about how the install base for iOS 11s 81% but Android has 6% of the most reason and the quote is if you look at our competition it's hard to say that they really have a software update model yeah I mean that's a chondroitin is such a complicated one because it's so you know it's it's like a couple prongs there's the carriers it's the manufacturers it's okay it's gonna go through this like really intense process to kind of get the latest Android out and you know a lot of Android uses you know I still running like the same is stock you know OS that they were running when they first bought the phone and that could be I don't know like KitKat well something like well I think the searching because when Android P was announced they actually showed a lot of support for third-party well I guess they're all third-party handsets other than Google like oneplus was on there I want to say HTC so we could actually put Android P beta on those newer Android phones now that certainly leaves out a lot of existing Android phone when Google wants this to be fixed right they they have had I mean I can't even count how many initiatives they've had now to make sure the software is up-to-date for all the phones and it's just it's so hard to get done that doesn't make it okay yeah but they did it obviously is way harder than us just saying do it right the fragmentation is such a huge huge question there for Android and I think a big part of that too is gonna be like if their own phones that they make are only being promised to be supported on the next three operating systems and apples going back to the iPhone 5s that just tells you that's a big that's a big appeal for a lot of reasons people stick with Apple is that it's going to work and they can download and get some of the new features if not all of them on a really old phone definitely well they're promising some speed boosts for the six plus users and and there Craig federighi says that they'd put iOS through a lot of stress tests I want to know what the stress test saw their big big improvements of optimized iOS 12 with apples chip team and sir they it's gonna be able to know how to ramp up performance and even when you're scrolling through so let me interesting to see how this actually works I'm so that's the updates on the performance side of things and augmented reality is up next AR time which is really interesting Pixar Disney and Apple have a very interesting relationship because of Steve Jobs but still it's gonna be interesting to see exactly what they're trying to do they're obviously the characters from Pixar really popular and Google when after who was it that they had in one of their AR efforts they wasn't it the Monsters Inc people at one point so you know Pixar seems clearly willing to get involved here right and see it's an interesting in the state let's say oh this Pixar and Apple have developed a file format called us DZ this is getting nerdy folks ok US dollars tag dollars in files Safari messages mail you can place 3d objects in the real world which we already know it's something like a are quick look um and so we're working with the leading companies for 3d tools 3d library is to bring their support for users what the world really needs is more file format so let me tell you I was thinking that when I got in here I was like please let's add more complexity to my file yes make my life even more hard all these proprietary formats that I can't open in other places yes please ah an adobe is coming on stage next interesting here see so he's all about usually used as well derby CTO is used as friendly um it's saying it's actually a pretty big deal there's now a way to deliver a are experiences across the entire iOS experience there's a lot of experience I think experiences the buzzword of today yeah I do have to give Apple some credit Swift it was really like everyone kind of was like or whatever Apple and they become a big thing right it is very popular it's pretty widely used I hear about it all the time when I talk to developers and so maybe this is something that's gonna be a big deal even though we're gonna all be saying very long time it might actually become something it's gonna be interesting yeah I mean I tried to teach myself a little bit of Swift and it's pretty easy yeah it's you you cut on - yes I did them - that's why you tuned into the st. out and livestream is for jokes but I like relinquish my crown to Ian over here who is a genius at this okay sorry native support coming to Adobe Creative Cloud which is interesting and they'll be able to use familiy acts they love to create a our content and bring it easily in what does that stand for you u.s. that was actually an acronym for something I don't I I don't you as dink sir universe sorry Universal scene description I don't know what the Z stands for three so we'll get back to you on that one we're gonna check in on that one a little bit later so we can use Photoshop to make some of this AR content and then convert into that format and a new iOS Apple that people make the AR experiences and so err Apple is they're trying to encourage a our creativity and Scott says it reminds him of what Microsoft was promising with Windows 10 years ago I'm gonna show off some of those immersive designs there's a measuring app which means there's like a whole section of the AR app store that just got destroyed we're doing cute measurement apps with even I think Android the first thing they all do measure things you're like I don't need to measure things oMG no more tape no more measuring tape I'm done I can just play my phone at one part of the room and then another it isn't that exciting I mean actually it is kind of nerdy and cool but you know I guess we're apples aside we're beyond that point as a society and we no longer need those acts right I'm sorry I mean maybe you're a golfer you can like kind of like how long you can you can have that idea the golf I mean do you remember I remember using tango on like the Lenovo fab two a Fab Lab - yes and I was like whoa this is so cool and now it's just so commonplace that you're like measuring up and they needed special cameras and special right and then all of a sudden it's like oh we're just going to kill tango in the meantime this measure app is going to automatically detect your photo dimensions so frame shopping can be easier everybody so you take your print in yeah you take your print and you point it at it I guess right just be like hey go over to that part of the story you can this all tiny thing you know way long ago it's a prince yes it's after we were chiseling into rock but before the phones it's really interesting oh as interesting is again going back to tango there was actually a tango app that did something like that for like here it was yellows and what I could do is you could actually go at the wall and then pick points and actually it could put posters and artwork on the wall that's kind of preview what it would look like there was and also the lorries also had a really interesting integration you could take your phone around and it would show you like a path to where you wanted an item you'd go oh I need some Phillips head screwdrivers on it multiple em and then you would just go okay I'll forward it would lead you that without yeah that was a cool use case I like that a lot I mean I was kind of sad when Tengger died because I was like but I'm looking at this image and it's pretty neat outputs the measurements around the box I mean this would be great for people shipping stuff just like a coffee table in your house great point it's gonna change things for me cuz I hate getting a tape measure out of the tool and it's exciting is Dennis your games an AR sees me air games are I think this is kind of utility finding more ways for it to be more of a more of a tool that you just have just like you have a keyboard and deciding camera that you have AR that could either give you more information or they can help figure things out something like that would be great ApS FedEx lookout well it's also worth pointing out that having good measurements is the next step toward making all the stuff work better in the real world like what this really is about is showing developers we can map the world around you pretty well so that you can do some really interesting things and you know Apple is doing it at a very consumer e-way look at how we can figure out this box's dimensions but I'm sure a lot of developers are sitting there being like oh my god I can put anything in the world I know exactly where it needs to go it's gonna be able to map inside a room those things are really interesting and I mean that also we're talking about Google ends a little earlier worried and we have the big speed kind of does something similar on Samsung where you know she showed an object and recognizes oh it's a bottle of wine or give you more info about that so I'm curious to see if we're gonna see anything like that right here yeah well I mean it's officially a our key to and we get improved face tracking and realistic rendering support a 3d object detection assistant experiences so this is like when you start a game around a physical object like a toy and shared experiences so the shared experience is something that we saw at Google i/o showing like a cross-platform way to play a game on iOS and Android using a are using object persistent objects as well it looks like it's something they're at least working on it cool and they have an app right now or an AR app right now for yeah they do in fact I think I have to say one of the best apps is there's an MBA app that allows you to put like a basketball goal wherever you want and you can basically shoot it kind of reminds me of the old like toss it app for the paper toss where you like throw a lot of paper in the trash can but this is basketball but the thing that's lacking of it is like if I wanted to challenge you to an office game of a our basketball having you be let's see the what I'm seeing and our scores register and compete that would be so cool I'm down for that I mean I'm intrigued about this image that we have on screen victory playing some sort of demo what he's playing Jenga like he's like knocked a whole bunch of bricks over in like different you know our cylinders and stuff I was like what's the name of that shape it's been a while since I sir assembly square is one of the Lego creative sets 3d object detection we can recognize our models and bring them to life oh I went crazy over here this is this is like amazing this is Lego brought to life I love like so much you know I I want to be able to I'm kind of just like having a little sneak peek ya know that's right now like little Lego men move around and they interact and the fact they even have like little Lego like comedy shtick where like the guy's slips on an oil patch and a lego man Falls and gets up and so yeah look you could see actually the worlds being created behind ya that's so neat this is kind of like what reminds me of the Minecraft demo remember the Microsoft event and you know everyone was just like wow I mean this is not as mind-blowing but it's leg or and Lego is such a big get and that's exciting it's not mind blowing cuz we've seen Minecraft do this a lot already right I'm not knocking Lego and trust me my son eventually will be living the Lego life I get it but I think that's why you're not so shocked anymore is that like you know Microsoft did a really good job marketing what a are equivalent of Minecraft was and now we're like after three years of seeing it like okay cool the differences I can't hurt my foot stepping on a our Lego piece where's here that's right that's right I think it's not a challenge it's just a challenge for AR in general is look at all the space they have to have lego city like you're gonna have to have a lot of like flat space to play some of these things an empty space - that's one of the biggest challenges for AR I remember when I got a Kinect for the first time he was really upset with my room because I'm in a San Francisco apartment and it's like you don't have enough space so I'm like tell me about it man and so that was always a big problem and I'm curious if they've made this technology a lot better than that but yeah and maybe you stumbled on the next brilliant the other thing is San Francisco apartment AR where it's like oh this efficiency is now a four bedroom [Laughter] putting wall but this is like the our version now it's using a place for my stuff that's all I care about virtually virtually what's um over there I don't have to think about it we're seeing some like dollhouse exploding walls revealing the and it's inside a ballerina a drummer and looks like to be the Joker yeah Batman Lego Batman's meet you I mean I would not be surprised right that movie is probably one of the most popular of the lego movie haven't seen it what it is so much better than the lego movie in every way shape and form that was a flash lego movie is it okay they've destructed that vibe of like comedy and entertainment I think really well I thought the thing about the the Batman one no spoilers is that is that there's a lot of references to older Batman stuff even the 60s Batman yeah and there's a lot of jokes that if you've been watching Batman forever like some of us you you appreciate the unintended yes exactly from this demo kids play this well eventually he might buy these two years old yes definitely would you buy an iPad I have I have an iPad I hope it works because it's what I've had gonna buy a new iPad for this no I mean I hope to test it out first and maybe you know maybe we need that noise from from let's make a deal though actually Scott brings up do you need to buy the Lego kits together absolutely money well the old lego app you did not have to buy the Lego kits but it worked better if you had Lego kids it would be cool if it actually I didn't hear everything that was being said obviously but it would be cool to see if you could actually interact with existing Lego kits I think that's where the real magic would happen you could actually bring your kits to life versus you have a are Lego kits and real ones that don't interact well that was a mistake with with the toys to life stuff that like Disney infinity and Activision with Spyro right in the what was it called Lego and so the problem was like when you saw that you're like oh I have special and so making this stuff actually work just with anyway go possible that is the future like that is the promise that will make anyone happy about it right but it has to work right yeah ok we're on to iOS 12 photos it's starting with search don't screw up my photos sharing my biggest problem categorization is also a facial recognition has got a lot better it's really actually pretty good it recognizes my baby photos as separate from my son's baby photos and that's really impressive because we look very soon no it's also impressive you have baby photos on your iPhone yes we found like a cash box of old family photos and I sent them off to be scanned and I ingested them into my Photos app and it's great it's so cool that's cool what I'm interested to see if they're gonna talk more about like yeah I and how it's gonna help with search and machine learning or gonna be like the buzz terms we hear a lot that yeah Google almost overdid it there yeah everything's machine learning exactly so you can search or even a broad category like museum this is exactly like Google photos you can just search what I term it you can actually search for an emoji in Google photos yeah I don't know if you will be able to do these I in Apple photos I should hurt sir I mean given the emoji support is 100 sit there so you can have it there's a whole new tab called for you and you know which boots on this day which everyone loves those yeah-oh highlighted photos all of this stuff that you did in previous years has suggestions on having approve your photos like hey he's a looping the live butter and it I let some shared album active they have some sharing stuff here so when you share a photo yet their phones gonna look for a photo from the same event and suggest sharing them with you which I think again you know we had my son's second birthday sorry I'm kind of obsessed with myself and my mother-in-law came out to visit for it which was great from Maryland and she we had to set up a special shared photo album to get the photos back and forth and it was a little complex right and making it super easy would be really fun I that's I look if Apple can nail the sharing thing they have me for life I am I am gonna be on board and then self well this is all apparently done with own device machine learning so not through the cloud which is a privacy conversation I was getting back into that conversation yes come on they've always been a leader with that too I mean that's the thing that we've invest in Apple but also some people wonder if that's also what's kind of made it hard for things like Siri to compete with Google assistant right now right right exactly yeah so we moving on to Siri now which is by far the world's most used digital assistant accidentally by the way the thank you feature in Google and Amazon is genius it is so smart to do that just when I saw that it got a big smile across my face I think we're talking we're joking about an emoji and there's other features like this and I think series one where if you try for a while and it doesn't do what you hope it does then what do you do you turn it off so I think if you are like kind of bolstering Siri to be better and hopefully that's we're gonna hear a little bit more about that might encourage you to turn it back on and try it and hopefully if it works like it's supposed to keep it on because right now I feel like that's a common experience I have a lot my friends and family have to where's they just turn off because it just doesn't work well they actually turn on they don't know how to control it very easily right and one of the big things for me was third-party app integrations with Siri which so limited and Sirikit was so limited in it it looks like now there's a new feature called shortcut so any app can expose a quick action to Siri so if you have something like the tile app because you're losing your keys you can add a shortcut to Syria like hey Syria lost my keys and then when you say it hey sorry I lost my keys who me yes when you say it Siri will automatically activate tile and start ringing your keys that's useful it is but I think this is gonna get down to the big problem which is that it's still gonna require a certain syntax and a certain like knowing how to talk to Siri to make it work and look I know that this is asking way too much of any tech company but it needs to become seamless and light and actually intuitive to the point that I don't need to know these things any I'm gonna have to set that up too right I'm have to go through exactly that and I think even if it's not exactly seamless as long as it feels like it's seamless right it's not and I think that's something I wrote about last year was this Siri feels like different Siri is on my phone that it is on the TV and is in your car that's on my watch right and at least making it seem like they know who I am and they're interconnected even if they're really not I think that that will be interesting yeah and something like about Siri predictions as well so Siri was also very bad predictions especially when it came to things like hey you have a meeting and you're in one location but your meetings in another location I'm probably not gonna make it to that meeting so maybe series shouldn't tell me that the meeting is happening then so it looks like say you order a coffee at Bill's every morning Siri will suggest it to you on your lock screen so it's like buying like a belt on Amazon and then having for months on end advertisement for belts I'm like no I bought one I don't know another although I will say the turnoff be do not disturb when I leave is smart like I turn it on like I have do not disturb on right now in here and I'm gonna I often forget to turn it back off off when I leave and having that be smart would be pretty cool yeah and that's interesting and then you'll be able to make the shortcuts yourself with the shortcuts app and it will give you like say if you want to look a shortcut create a stroke up a surf time it's saying once you you know activate that it will show you the weather the ETA to the beach reminded to put on sunscreen oh that sounds I don't want to I don't want to parents I just wanted a little useful assistant I mean I hope it's not gonna be that kind of didactic way you need to put on sunscreen have you been eating your vegetables the Sun and burning my skin's burning up oh think on my phone reminding I didn't so this is a new show cuz this comes I think ultimately dad like what do we want these AI assistants to do you know do want them to be assistants we want them to be an interface for getting things done do we want them to be making things seem easier which is what I think most people really want um the idea of like searching through Syria so you don't have to type on your phone something by the way somebody I did see is you can either type and and to talk to Siri now well that you could do that on the map you can accept Siri on the Mac it's just in the wrong position I always activate it when I don't want to well there's a keyboard shortcut somewhere because I never use Siri on the Mac how about that right how about it knowing your behaviors to if I'm on the Mac maybe I don't want to be interacting with Siri when I'm heads down writing an article but when I'm on my phone on the go maybe that's when it becoming a little more aware of when I'm using right do I want it to let me know I need to get Phil's coffee I could probably figure that out yeah I think know if it wants to put like a coffee order in for me and have it waiting but I will say like the automatic there's a picture we have here in the life tell Ari I'm running late or call into the shortcuts planning meeting I'm on a daily call with the editors each morning and I always have to look through my phone to get the right passcode and everything having that stuff be automated would be really cool and this gets into the whole problem with these voice assistants is that we want them to read our hair our brains and know when we don't want them but also know when we do want them and it's it's incredibly tough and I'm not saying Apple has an easy job here but this is what it always comes down to am I gonna be annoyed or am I gonna be helped and it's different for every different thing and I think and I think of this as a more of a marathon race with these digital assistants but we're only like a few steps into the race and yet like Oh Google's like one step ahead of us or two steps but there's still miles to go before we really get to where they really are whoa I think we're just what we see in science fiction movies like Hal or we see robots and movies where it just seems human and understands you again knows your preferences and isn't interrupting you or causing you inconvenience of being annoying exactly I would love to nari I mean obviously because we're not watching it like with audio if there is some kind of acknowledgment that yes Siri is gonna learn Siri is gonna kind of narrow and you know to IANS point it's it's not gonna predict something when you actually don't want to do that like if you're not in the meeting or in a location near the meeting and it probably looks like you know for all intents and purposes you're not gonna make time meaning don't send a text message to the organizer saying I'm running late if you're in New York and the meeting is in San Francisco because unless you have the Hyperloop you're probably not going to make that meeting in the next like 25 minutes right well and I like that's one feature I like currently on the phone this is like hey it takes it's gonna take you this long to get to work today because there's traffic or leave now to be on time I don't like that doesn't work for me but are you driving or are you on a bus because that is where like if you're into the suburbs I think this feature is fantastic but if you're on the bus and there's like sorry San Francisco unreliable bus schedule right then it's actually not that great exactly okay so now they're talking about apps so stop Apple news now this is an interesting one because Apple news there was a lot of rumors about its coming to Mac OS and there was a there was a leak with the dark mode and Apple News as an icon and a possibility there I don't know I I don't use Apple news enough for it to be able to give me relevant content so I opened it up just like two days ago and I'm gonna just like find what it tried to give me a leg or face ID doesn't work there we go there we go I got it open um there's my little internal monologue just opening my phone every day so opening up Apple news it just gives me stuff that I just don't want to read like Prince Harry interrupted his honeymoon to make a huge announcement like oh wait I want to hear more about let me point out to you and I I Facebook has this problem too the trending tab has way too many Kardashian stories for me and I was really frustrated about it and I used to complain about it all the time but this is the problem Facebook knows me they know that I am hovering over those Kardashian stories and sometimes I actually read about the Kardashians and I just don't want to admit it to myself that's right that's the problem two mirror to me it's like saying I want broccoli but I'm actually eating candy this is what's happening to you and I think somebody's nursing is they're saying that our top stars are handpicked by Apple News editorial team which we're hearing they will do something similar so it's kind of our Tisdale news where it's like we're gonna pick the the news that's just for you are you guys at all Flipboard users I have but I've always I'm like one of those weirdos who've always I live on an iPad that's my main device I know I'm not supposed to be able to but it's been working for two and a half years as my device and I love Flipboard but the thing with that is the more preferences you put in the more I use it the more it gets to know me and there's this recommendation to become more useful since you're not at using Apple news I'm guessing this part of the world's hottest grandmother says new contender will have to fight for the title interesting okay stocks coming to the speaking of stocks Apple stock is up 1.1 3% so far thank you did you check on the stock I actually checked it out on Safari looks like we're getting also an update on iBooks will now be called Apple books so someone who has a book on on that store I'm excited I'm sure it won't the actual app you mean yeah completely rebuilt voice members yes thank you so voice memos is so clunky I use it all the time and it just it needs a good scrubbing feature because you can't you skip and it goes like five minutes in the future and I don't want that I want to go back and I want to get some granularity there it's really yeah it's difficult also phone calls during voice memos worst thing ever because it automatically pauses the voice memo I'm sorry Siri you should know better I don't want a phone call while I'm recording yes you really should and it's coming to the iPad which would be useful to definitely yeah I mean I don't know I'm not a big apple books user I actually have to say I think I use it one time for like a NASA like picture book I read the Steve Jobs [Laughter] significant news was as being geared toward education right we were trying to have teachers make their like mini books or something like that for their students that they could download and have but uh yeah it seems like it's kind of like not been like very successful in that world but it's also not and successful to replace the Kindle right I know and there's a so carplay is getting a mention here we have a smart and safe way to use your apps in the car already supports third party audio messaging voice calling but what you might not know her is that with iOS 12 carplay will also support third-party navigation ways in google man work on the watch I'll be so much good this is an unusual step I didn't I didn't think we would see I agree no carplay getting better is a really good move and that's an understand it's a really understated I feel like because the only time I interface with Cal play is when I get a rental car or I'm driving someone's car calm playing it like it's it's far and few between so uh but when you do have it yeah having not to use Apple Maps I mean I know Apple Maps has improved a lot but ways in Google Maps still have my heart so it's good to have that option and okay so now we're talking about the phone addiction sections warning time has dropped off the line by the way okay well we're gonna come back to Jeff a little bit cuz I know he has some thoughts on this he actually dropped up the lines between okay so we're announcing a comprehensive set of built-in features to help you limit distraction and focus so Do Not Disturb is next there x me don't want to be disturbed like at night Walter sorry like sometimes you wake up to check the time and you're confronted with a barrage of notifications I mean just don't look at your phone and just get a clock like it's such a life changer I did that and I banned the phone from my bed me too as well not in the bedroom big difference I have a old-school alarm clock it's a really like dinky little like Boop and it has is it a bra you guys are speaking another language the phone not being nearing I don't I don't understand its this opens up a whole world in your head and it's amazing yeah it's great it just gives you them clarity so you don't wake up and you have that panic when you look at your phone and you see all the notifications sorry do not disturb but maybe maybe that's just all the notifications or wake up check the phone if you like in and you have it next to you almost surgically implanted then you won't get disturbed by the notifications if you have BND on just go you know I think we should do is we should be sending in text messages how's your sleep tracking okay no there's more control over notifications this is basically Apple going oh what's come what are you complaining about lately let's fix it doesn't usually acknowledge they give us something that perhaps we don't necessarily thought we haven't thought about we don't necessarily want but it's actually like key day to day use cases that we want addressed I'm not usually addressed know the last few years have been to step forward one step back to step forward one step back absolutely but it is neat that we see that and you know there are people who want to claim it was first done here it's like that's great and we claim that but on the flip side it's welcomed I'm so excited about it at the end of it if it's not the platform that you're using I mean big deal yeah doesn't matter does it using the one that you're not using yeah so you know but it's it gonna be interesting to see like how it like how it performs compared to Android because the group notifications on Android especially on pee I'm not 100% I mean I know sue Bader at the moment so I currently like judge it just yet not quite sure if I like how the grouping works it's called I'm sorry yes obviously if you have a stack of text messages they're gonna be stacked all together instead of listed individually you know what's gonna bother me about this is that it's not gonna know exactly the one text message I want to read on top yes exactly read my brain in my mind we're also seeing app limits as well that looks pretty exciting here letting you know about helping you spend less time in certain app and screen time is the new tool that will reveal how much you're using your iPhone all right Patrick Lexi what are you gonna put put your applet on first Twitter you know I probably would put it on my Facebook I use I use Facebook oh and I think actually if I looked in the usage data right now it would probably be like number three or four I disabled my account a long time a good figure that's someone finally you've had me down like oh you're not Facebook more success been like a year yeah and they're like oh I'm like it's a treat test though it is amazing like you don't miss it it's like a clarity thing to like yeah I found myself just mindlessly scrolling through out there you don't have kids kids are a thing that pull you back into Facebook a lot I'm sure just for me it did take up a lot of my time and I was looking a lots of people's kids pictures which are adorable but then I'm like why am i spend my time right and on the topic of kids they're now moving to something about balancing screen time for kids so you can as a parent we can get a report on the queue this is great this is great I'm not there yet but it's great that they're gonna have this type of stuff in their downtime which is when you want your kids to unplug completely and this is like so Apple had this family find a set of tools I had a website that was all about this and so I think this is like the next logical step yeah I'm plugged completely yeah sorry you can limit the access to movies apps and websites that you deem age-appropriate this is a great story for parents not so much for a you know once without kids I'm a big fan of like setting timers on apps like YouTube kids or whatever I set a timer for them and then it goes off and they get upset it's a great idea but then you can't do it in the bathroom you can but my problem is they still haven't answered the one thing I want which is having a different iPad screen for my kid than my son than myself you know I really want to be able to control these types of things and right now Apple's still playing the game of he has to have a different device tonight well and do you think they're able to do that though because I wonder if of course they do Mac OS has different users easily yeah but that's was you know that's been in the foundation since oh man decade like a long time ago right before I even iOS 10 I believe but I also wonder like if because I've been thinking about this I obviously have is it like okay these apps you can have different users like you could have a different user for male kind of like think of like email almost or you could have a different user for I'm Instagram I sure do but I understand what you're saying yeah I think what the dream is is to log in and see just like you have on Netflix or on your Mac you have the different users and then you'd again face ID unlocks it for you or your son I don't getting you're too old I'm not sure why he would need face I'm trying to think ahead for him is what make life better you say now but you haven't tested it okay I haven't tested it okay is it gonna give Roger Cheng a man bun that's the question that when Roger Chang our our executive editor on the East Coast tried out Samsung's thing it gave him a man but didn't he look outstanding with that man he was offended look look I mean when and when Jessica dokgo it he had tested it out it couldn't deal with her curly hair yes yes I mean because he's bit emoji at all yeah I mean it does I enjoy bitmoji a lot of all of them even though it's not animated yeah exactly and I want there's that step to that direction all right now this is I'm going to say this will probably one of those stories that we hear a lot about even though it's probably this a a fun feature you might just try once I don't know I don't know I don't know if it works so to be fair I thought that bitmoji was gonna be kind of like something that I use once and then I don't use again but I use it all the time it's it's a great way to kind of express something in a cute graphic and also the thing about bitmoji is that it updates so quickly so like when remember Yanni and Laurel yeah I don't know why I said oh my god that's how I said it yeah when as soon as that happened bitmoji was on it they had luck within 24 hours they had bitmoji that was about that that was timely alright so there's some demo is happening now and it's got referencing law selected mochi and Samsung emoji all right it should be working very similar that would be exciting that that way also again maybe that might also be like you could have a bit mochi for you and your kid and have a different set or not bit much because you called me Mowgli's that's the thing it's gonna be interesting to see like how accurate these look and also the question is do we want it to look accurate I mean obviously the Samsung they are emojis weren't so out there that they didn't look anything like us at all but maybe there's a middle ground we don't want it to look identical to us because you know there's all aspects about you know our faces that we love and we don't love and so maybe we don't want that reflected accurately do we want a representation of us that we're happy with it's somewhere between that kind of like crazy ridiculous over-the-top emoji kind of look and then reality well the other thing too is imagine if you're doing like a FaceTime call and you were just not looking like you should be your me emoji is like Wow me emoji cartoon Patrick looks great today he's got his tie on and he has bono glass like I don't know I want to hold you to like we have a conversation about this I'm not the guy to talk about it but I do know where the limits are okay sorry we we're seeing the demo exactly know what the demo is can I point out while we're thinking about this women on stage so if I've counted two women yes pretty good it's pretty good representation from Apple 5050 5050 so now the actual screen we say this cheating in Turin we sing is an I call it know that coming I size or the world of warcraft' let's let's have some fun as well so there's a lot of customization there it's very much like Nintendo means yeah yeah which that's another good use of one yeah did a great job with that I like this yeah so what I'm interested to say it's like how accurate it is when it first captures the face and then how you can build onto that is it giving you a representation of what you look like oh actually we can see the little demo working right now so you take it looks like you take a selfie in the special new mode in the camera app and then looks like it's gonna do some filters on your face not entirely sure what's going on all right this looks very oh no this I think this is a different demo this is the messages camera I think cuz this doesn't look like creating yeah this definitely doesn't look like reading anyway well what if it's gonna be like bit emoji where I could use it across different apps to I think that would be the big thing except in Android app ouch I mean let's be honest right at was not gonna make this stuff all work with everything other than iMessage no but the same time like if it was like in the keyboard or something like that like bitmoji is now where you can have it and pop it into a text message or a whatsapp or Facebook that would be really right that would be neat it would but I agree I don't here's a dog yeah and having a bunch of different hats and and the creepy thing is he'd only makes the face and it doesn't actually make the body so you it's kind of cool that's cool huh it's just real close not creepy on her try it on real people exactly oh I mean I'm okay so when an emoji came out ah I go it a little broasted because people were like I was like this is you know it's it's an exciting way people out probably gonna you know buy it buy a phone because of this this feature I don't know if I was right necessarily but I was excited to see it and then I never used to it was really somebody have any of you guys in this room ever sent in an emoji but just to test it done like once of friends and they are so tickled and excited but then if they don't have a 10 right 9 human with me emoji head is my new name okay so FaceTime Thanksgiving dinner he's just got a lot more interesting there was a study I read a long time ago that you will most people right only want to video chat with five people out of their lives at any doing that's about it everyone else it's way not comfortable so 32 is a lot more than five I'm curious to see how far it will go but do you think as mean different people get their hands on technology and children are growing up with this that some of that's just our us adapting to it and versus growing into and having it always be available it's like well yeah just video chat you yeah maybe more common think about like you know apps like snapchat which I you know very commonly used by a younger generation everyone god I sound so old saying that but you know it's you know group group video chatting is is a huge deal there and it's it isn't such a big deal like us you know we don't necessarily want to talk to 32 people but I could imagine you know snapchat demographic definitely would want to talk to absolute 32 people at it that's impressive though and again what's the scream look like with 32 people a parent I can't wait until next year I can't wait til the bosses come to me and say hey we need 32 people on face but it looks like you know when someone who's talking they're actively like come out so the times are gonna move around can you swipe someone away like flick them out yes I can't wait to do that to Aunt Betty I mean everyone's like smiling faces in this demo right now they're all happy I don't look that happy when I'm on FaceTime definitely because it's that awkward thing about FaceTime is that when you're in the same as Skype same with anything else you are on the call and you're looking at the other person but then you're kind of looking at what you look like and you're like oh no or not could this also be more of an business use to where you think of like Google Hangouts get to sign in and it's that they rarely works flawlessly but it works pretty reliably that a lot of businesses you knew that hey a lot of people have iPhones and to have a meeting with five or ten other people now seems like that would be a very easy I think the business use would work inside Apple I mean let's be honest right then the percentage of iPhones out there and Macs it doesn't make sense to me I mean maybe it will right Apple promised when FaceTime first came out to make it what are you pointing at you know it's funny in there live in a live stream but it says sorry--but emoji it was fun while it lasts it's like anyway I am I think you guys have just pointed out that maybe I'm wrong about saying that people aren't gonna I put the extra effort in I get excited about cartoon representations of me I really do I do it on every platform Facebook spaces bitmoji Samsung AR emoji I just want to get them all together and mummy I like all together now it's gonna be that well that's gonna be a right is your is your emoji you like cross-platform your next conversation and yet it's the back end of that is just gotta be mind-blowing to be not only let's sharing live video but then putting a cartoon head on you connecting with up to 31 other people and then showing their cartoon heads as well I think that's mine but don't forget that Apple originally said they were gonna open source FaceTime and they never did and don't even get yeah and so but that's the thing right like if they done that how much how pervasive would FaceTime be if they made that an opportunity but do you think that was even like a possibility they said it out loud well sing something out loud as we know an emerging section was a very pleasing to me happy I forget about it now yes not check stock right now on the announcement here you can't type snap into the tiny type the dollar and snap maybe yeah oh you can in Google I mean cuz it's snap Inc is that what it is yes thank you sup tanking tanking sorry yeah you're right here is we are not stock analysts all right so we're talking Apple watch being number one I would just hope that the rest of the Apple Keynote would just be done in me emoji just want to say that would be yes did we see a Craig federighi I am emoji I didn't see it yeah I'm sure they made they're sure they're me emojis we're pretty looking good right okay so by the way the Apple watch just getting into that one of my favorite stats about the Apple watch cuz a lot of people like to malign it and whatnot and look I've got one okay I'll admit but what fascinates me is how successful it's been and how under the radar that is like there was a stat that came out a couple months ago Apple outsold the entire Swiss watch industry well that is insane that is insane a hundred year old companies and Apple smoking them and so you know it's really interesting to see where they're gonna push this because they're already positioned to be taking over this industry yeah but on the flip side uh I know I still have what I watch that I got for my grandfather and I don't think you're gonna be handing down your Apple watch you're wearing right now your child and hopefully he'll have that that's the thing they're becoming disposable right they're not jewelry pieces anymore unless you have the addition the ceramic no more addition they got rid of it and I did get a Milanese loop although I admit that it was an Amazon but the thing is definitely they they are like definitely these things are becoming less of beautiful timepieces and more functional pieces of my life which is I mean look I didn't have a watch or the Apple watch I mean I have one as a kid and then I stopped wearing it no I just I didn't necessary right and then and then over time like then the then the pebble came out and I got in on board and I've been on board ever since okay so watch OS 5 is is up and they're gonna start with health and fitness which is something we were talking about something that I have a lot of issues with in terms of tracking fine but then what do I do with that data and I want to know like how is it actually gonna help me I don't want to just close my rings to me like I I don't know closing rings to me is not as big of an achievement as knowing that my performance in say running is improving and so I have to then Tony should be able to do that right they should be able to do that they should be able to go your baseline performance was this you know over time you are trending faster so I have to use third-party apps and you know that's fine third-party apps are totally fine but I don't know why it doesn't do it natively okay so activity tracker now has daily coaching challenges goals activity sharing etc Tiffany always has a seven-day competition yes seven-day competition oh I don't know do I like competitions we get that I work right we get we have those like internal things where it's like we're gonna have a 30-day competition and the idea is you sign you are are using virgin for those who don't know balls and yeah it Tracy push us but but does it work I don't I don't I mean the competition is I can't yeah I do because I think if you can start incentivizing it is the way for me to accept a challenge as a motivator and Tiffany telling you too is not enough I don't there's a dollar bill I take a walk down to the like to the grid to the grocery store or the drugstore and I'll turn on the little tracker because I want to get points in our in our corporate app right so my wife is friends with me on the Apple watch she gets an alert when I finish a workout workout right she'll turn to me and she's like really you track that walk to the grocery store was it that hard count that's right hey madam they met a new mutt yoga my progress updates hiking married heart rate elevation yeah this is it this is interesting because I mean like tracking hiking is different from tracking a run yes and sorry you know that breakdown has never been really been easy to do when I was hiking in Uganda and it was not it was one of the hardest hike I've ever done in my entire life it's like vertical uphill through my it was insane but one of the things I used the watch through it and it got in knew where I was in my GPS he knew how slow I was because this was not right and you know I'm not that that active a person but it did not have stuff like elevation right those things right I didn't know over time what I was doing so I don't get any credit with Apple for having walked through vertical mud before I like the little humble brag when I was hiking and I got through it all my wife would not tell you there was anything to brag about my performance to share the pace the pace was depressing you see you would now like if you if you did that hike again now you could see how much better you work that's rights to progress updates now okay go back to you gun and climb up that right oh this is interesting okay so runners will get a cadence to show current steps a minute there you go this is what I'm asking for this is good this is good and then automatic workout detection oh so I'm interested to know like if I do Pilates versus yoga will it no it's a Pilates workout oh no it's a yeah it depends on the music [Laughter] but I will say the Apple watch is surprisingly bad at identifying with the Rings like when you've closed your activity ring because like it gets the step ring well and the standing ring but there are times when my wife will try to get the egg back whatever it is the activity ring closed and she'll go for like a long walk but because it wasn't hard enough of a walk it doesn't count toward the active minute yeah I've always found that the activity ring has been pretty good evening I'm just literally walking to and from like my desk still tracks that for some reason I do rolling treadmill I'd run back and forth to my desk but ya know the step one works sustaining Windows it works but the activity one never does identifying this stuff a little better would make her a happy customer exactly all right now they talking about enables you to remain in the moment while connected to the people you care about and staying connected with people you love is a function we're back to [Laughter] real-time voice but with the spontaneity of messaging my favorite part about the walkie-talkie function and sprint nextel was that they charged a different amount for the minute they did didn't they for the walkie-talkie you are a lucky lucky person yeah it's so you knew that you were standing next to someone who worked for like a like worked in construction or whatever cuz those were the people who had the walkie-talkie function on their phone and it was it was basically a phone call but it was like for some reason it worked like a walkie talkie I never understood it myself but they charged a different price for it it just likes imagine getting a phone call without ringing just would pick up except she would go be beep yeah and they made a legally silly I saw I used to work for a production company would make like sets for museums or fashion show stages and we would load them in and the Teamsters would have those little beep beeps and the idea would be like Phil could be over here and tell Ian hey could bring the rug for the stage and as opposed to calling him a text anyway it would speak beep beep and it would just say what I said live I think it may be recorded it I don't think you could actually conversation right back and forth yeah I mean you can record back and then it would beep beep and say what he said where's up say pee pee pee we sound like the roadrunner day of weird noises for Apple it is but Mike to be fair these are actually useful interesting updates no and I would use walkie talkie if I knew someone had an Apple watch I would probably use it to prank people cuz it's funny this is definitely the day of Apple answering all of our complaints my one complaint they won't like maybe your son having an Apple watch and him playing and doing a walkie talkie like time to come in or where are you or I you know look I I enjoy the part of the dad experience where I yell out the back door so woodwork is well over the over the watch I go okay sorry there's not talking about this Siri watch face the right information at the right time which I use this watch face a lot by the way I like it although it's not perfect at all I tried it it's way better than the other ones I don't know I tried it and I got really frustrated by it because it will just wasn't predicting off it wasn't accurate enough so what was it missing um it was I don't know it just just didn't I just think you mean didn't let me customize it to show what I actually wanted to just sharp so um you know it would show me my like my steps and you know the rings and I didn't want that I wanted to just take that away and not necessarily see that I wanted to see like you know my next meeting and you know the time and all that other stuff like I just wanted a more customization I don't think that we're gonna get that what it looks like now it's going to harass you to start walking again so I also really wanted was just like a persistent like I'm always on time just so it's like a regular watch you know don't have to leave my took that away they also take away the date and the date on there too so like I have to like yeah but I mean I agree with you the persistent time would be nice and it's an OLED screen so it shouldn't be that hard to do it I agree with you right you know it's also I'm a little more forgiving of that like when I see the Android watches that's six of them that are out there that have the persistent time on them I'm like time so we're about 75 minutes into our keynote here which is long the time has flown oh sorry if you have questions if you're watching please jump on this CNET life watch we will have your watching and during the I'm sorry happy dad joke connoisseur and King over here stay and share everyone thank you very much okay so it looks like now you don't have to say hey Siri when you raise your wrist it just is going to be listening Siri is very hard to use on the Apple watch really I don't know why I don't understand it doesn't listen no and I'll start it and then it will like stop listening to me yes I don't get that on the phone now for me too because the phone at least is used to you not holding down the button but I think the trick and I've had never watched since day one and I think the trick is that you hold down the button but I still can't get it - in my head correctly yeah so I don't do it that's annoying it's super annoying it's really fresh I have the same thing like I'm dictating something any just stops yeah and he just doesn't listen anyway podcasts that's comedy coming to the Apple watch that's pretty that's something that a lot of people are really excited about and a lot of people really into you can listen to cereal while you're on your run I just want Spotify on LTE so I can listen to Spotify maybe Spotify will make a podcast of their Spotify service okay well look like a lot of people will be very happy with the podcast app natively coming to the Apple watch sir I'm very happy for these people these losers who are described I do I have one about parenting in tact with a lot of dad jokes and then we also have the 349 right which every day we 359 sorry but you know every day that ones like number 60 and technology for the podcasts overall and then mine is called status update if you ever want to listen to me and my about my kid and as I was setting up for a shameless plug also the idea that you could mister control these and listen to them on the go be great yeah but then I would love because what happens when I get to her listen to podcast how much pitch my music every day exactly okay there's an exercise black on stage right now there's a demo this is not why not this is this competition time is this tiffany tiffany stop stop try to make better than me well you know the Jim Kipp thing is really interesting I am NOT and no I'm not a gym rat at all so I don't I don't but the idea that making this stuff easy to track when I was a gym rat back in my 20s would have been awesome I would have had so much fun cuz I was one of those guys with like a little pad of paper and writing it all down and it was really I mean you know one of those guys I'm a nerd okay but you know even back then the quantified self won't go in paper how the idea that you can do it now with Jim kid is actually really cool how would you like to be the Apple employee be like yeah we want you to do the keynote oh my god I'm so excited if you're gonna work out the entire time oh really okay Lululemon's in front of everybody in front of everybody there and being broadcast around the world oh I don't know if I want to do it now at least you're not making him do yoga there's our dog making them talking wild on the trip I think a very interesting presentation showing biking on stage before an apple the first time anyway I think the Jim Kay as you're saying like I yeah used to be a member of a gym and because I moved there's no gym anyway long story short now I'm a runner and like if I was still at the gym gym I would definitely use this feature however I'm gonna be interested to see I like the platforms which that gym kit supports because I think at the moment it's a fairly limited to a couple of different exercise initial peloton one of the biggest are part of it yes but probably don't until they upgrade too right exactly so you can yeah hopefully you're gonna have to go to you know you're gonna have to be going to one of these gyms that has Billy new equipment otherwise you're still gonna be manually tracking this is why my yoga fan right there is no gym kit for yoga your you're just doing stuff on a mat yeah way easier I I guarantee if someone's gonna figure a way to put bluetooth on that mat they probably have like haptic feedback to vibrate if you're doing the move I want to yell at my kids I don't want to walk near my stuff's I can have notifications I have many layers I do I do when I go to the gym and I see people with all their apps and they spend more time doing the app than working out you know it's like feel like dude just just work out like why are you gonna be a busy with your phone and see you didn't like me back then Ian sucks guys really busy not working out right you think the walkie-talkie while she's on the - she's so glad that's all we've been choking for five minutes to do a good 40 minutes to get a decent bike they've had rehearsals - it's like alright we can do that again Oh Tiffany we're so sorry the whole section again it's about the timing thing to keep going well Tiffany's just learning what it takes to be better than us that's what it comes down and then challenging us to a challenge but she knows she'll win that's right so it's like what's the what's the Fred Astaire line and Ginger Rogers that Ginger Rogers did all the dance because Fred Astaire could do but backwards it's like that's right the female whatever name is doing all the presentation like Fred Fergie and Tim Cook while working out he's been he is up early every day there's a there's some really good profiles of him out there about it he's up every day early he's in the gym early early early and then he's to work so if anybody should be on that on that bike it should be Tim Cook to people well and you're joking but I could see these but I could totally see it going that way all right like your competition might record me my stuff in my little Modi's going it's you kind of like when you play an antenna they have like the ghost version of like Mario yeah erase the gross version of myself well you could erase the ghost version of like me if I'm running at you if we're in a challenge or Ian yeah this is not a real thing but it could work right so I again Apple you just take mine go enjoy our livestream here we have Gabriel saying work out and doing a keynote pay that woman extra Wow yes tweet and like him oh you got a retweet and like from me I mean like Gabriel jump on this seen it live hashtag on Twitter we'd love to hear your thoughts okay so it looks like there are some more functionality to the watch like you can extend your popping on the meter I mean I guess that's useful I actually am a parking person with USF Park here in the city they have NFC little readers in the parking things and they've never worked I don't know what they were designed for but if they can make that stuff work I'd rather that than having to remember the stupid number I thought it was illegal it's a like feed your meter right and you're supposed to move or something I don't know you're not supposed to continuously if you're like me and you're trying to save 6 cents because that's what you are then you know like oh I'm not gonna do the full two hours I'll do 30 minutes and they're like oh man that the the USPS line is bigger than I thought you have to extend it way even where are you parking that it cost 6 cents I'll take $6 ok all right so we have a new pride watch face which we already knew about actually and it is five months it is Pride Month so yeah isn't it now a rainbow band as well available today uh and that's that's it for watch OS 5 you can add student ID cards to the wallet on Apple watch that's cool give me my clipper card on the watch and I'm gonna be all for it get rid of my wallet next step next step alright sorry we have next up what's coming up we have TV whoa okay so this is interesting this is something a lot that we want to do on Apple TV dolby atmos fix the remote what do I have to all be Atmos at home Lexie oh yes that's it's coming like it's part of my whole yeah I've said this it's on the roadmap supposedly it's just that we haven't had any kind of idea of when it's gonna come at all so it's I I don't know I I am I have transitioned so much to being a headphones and iPad watcher that you may hang out I I don't know if I am I also look I get to go to some of the movie screenings like at Lucasfilm or at Dolby's headquarters and so I now don't like going to normal theaters I'm so spoiled so you know the idea of atmos at home too it's like I got the kid it's it's a small screen I'd rather just the iPad okay well I have two people like me who like sound you love sound quality but you you have a specific set of circumstances true I am a big audiophile for me like when I listen to to audio I want it to sound the best whether it's on my laptop whether it's on my you know my phone wherever I mean I'm not listening to stuff in like flak audio like let's be let's be honest I'm a realist but like you when it comes to like you know TV I want Dolby Atmos things that made XE happy has gotten bigger thunderous audio demo made the theater resonates I don't know if that means everyone was clapping or it was just a or an earthquake but it obviously resonated with the crowd well with me particularly thank you that's nice it finally happened oh good okay so it sought it was on the roadmap and it actually I will say Atmos is a pretty cool technology like when I first got to see it the idea of they showed me um it was the the chase scene in The Incredibles right and they had like the things flying around and it was amazing to hear that I was like this sounds really cool I don't know if it's actually gonna change my life but it's super cool it's amazing how well how much it's taken on and like how much people like it but I think that's the point of it too it's like it's it's does so well and you don't think about it yeah does it just makes it more immersive yeah exactly and I think that's ultimately when we talk about stuff like AR BR that's kind of oh the future VR has to have immersive all right i mean that's where dolby atmos just can actually matter but now that we have this Tucson a living room set TV I'm excited about that right I would upgrade to that I know I mean like have you heard at Mawson like the huawei mate book for example I have not it's literally just a little strip just the speaker strip it sounds crazy like the sound is coming from all around you and you're like this it looks like it's gonna be tinnies terrible sounding speaker when you just look at it and you listen to it and you go okay that's weird to see phones now like with the razor phone last year when I got to I got a kick out red hydrogen one phone doesn't have at most but has a 4d way of tracking moving sound and it was definitely louder than the razor phone this is a prototype I should say but I thought that was cool that these phones are now the more high-end ones are getting into that because we still don't have great real audio in our iPhones or even some of the other smart phones on Android that raise our phone I think is one where it's like we want to give you the best experience for that yeah make you see more of that I'm just I'm just intrigued like you know at most an Apple TV you know next iPhone but it's a that would be say that the super high-end audio stuff I don't know how many people like are truly into it to the point where they'll pay more um one of my best well one and Lexie absolutely I'll give you that but there's this 3d headphone startup you may have heard of called Asik right they had a Kickstarter they were super aggressive especially with reporters sending us non-stop emails about their Kickstarter it failed the company collapsed because they just couldn't get enough people interested yeah and I think that that's that's something as well and that was supposed to be cheap affordable good 3d audio headphones boom right so I you know maybe it's really cool if it's integrated and it's part of the price but making me pay extra I'm not sure right and like you know take a look at like you know the Neil Young digital music service and that and that Riya triangle yeah it's you know it died you know no one no one bought it but on the flip side like pushing the innovation that way then allowed adoption more mass adoption your son he's gonna have an iPad that's gonna have Dolby Atmos at some point maybe not this year but it will happen right okay be called Dolby infinity or whatever is becoming a thing of the past sorry talking about a bunch of different partners and and you apps on channels on Apple TV sorry there are now in France and working with it now Plus which is a we've been on CNET has been used for them many times they use program they're really nice people but they are like one of the biggest out there in France and then you can use Apple TV to access more than 100 live channels in the u.s. charter spectrum will be coming to Apple TV later this year up to 50 million homes will be able to choose Apple TV signing sign-on so you race on Odin that sounds awesome yeah a single sign-on thing like it's 90% effective for me like it's cast right Xfinity I don't have cable otherwise where we've been court cutters since 2007 but we have HBO now and so vlogging sometimes HBO app cuts out doesn't work on the iPad it automatically signs in every time now but on my Apple TV it doesn't always work so you know the promise is there but I've always thought to myself it knows I'm a Comcast I'm on the Comcast network right now it also knows it's my IP address why can't it just work right so I'm sure that's what they're doing is that they're getting a lot better if and if they made it like kind of like that the handoff feature a little bit when you again pairing like your ear pods or assigning the Wi-Fi that would be just remarkable we're just pops up and it just goes it doesn't seem like it should be that complex but as we have talked about much over the last couple hours this stuff is way harder than we think it is which is why it's taken so long for a lot of this stuff that are common-sense things to come out and they might not be like the flashiest features but I would take some of these conveniences and polishes over a big flashy update yeah I mean the interesting thing is I mean so charter spectrum it's gonna be the first to support this zero sign-on so it's I mean this is like while the idea sounds great again as you're saying it's gonna take these providers to come on board to actually make this a thing I mean and how many people have like how old is the cable box in your house or your parents house Miami I think my dad's had a box it's like seven or eight years old right so I mean you could take it those lifespans of cycling through those to catch up to I thought Stein wants an Apple TV remote finder app you're here at Scott just needs it needs a ability to ping it put a tile on it or something but it's so small the tile would just would be so annoying on yeah uh okay so on the iPhone it will automatically be installed in a control center so a way to control the Apple TV which I have it running on my control center already yeah I've controlled my Apple TV that way and it works pretty well we have we have a harmony remote at home which my wife hates how many is great because it's there like six things that have to turn on and she hates that you know they all have their own weird intricacies right like sometimes the tv turns on correctly sometimes the stereo which is connected to the TV because the TV speakers are terrible doesn't turn on correctly or it doesn't move to the right input and so even if you have it all set in one action it's yes really it doesn't always get it okay and so that's part of the problem right it works like pretty well but when it doesn't work it's terrible and so she gets really frustrated with it and I totally respect her concern or frustration right better than eight different remotes to do you know but she wants is the old days of one TV it works right yeah and the Apple TV almost is there but we also have a stereo right these screen savers for the Apple TV the backgrounds I mean they the Apple TV screen savers were always like some of the best stuff out there right super high-end really nice right they the camera panning through London was beautiful and it was so popular some people tried to hack it to work on the Mac which I thought was a pretty good indication people liked it right that's a great idea so there's now an earth image we choose but it's missing Christopher Reeve okay they're doing a nice it's a lot of time on this the screen savers I mean they are beautiful but and that's to say we are past an hour-and-a-half mark for thank you Patrick thank you very much because there's so many things we want them to talk about and address and yeah it's also been like wow we are already an hour to half into this I know and considering a week you know we're gonna have a two-hour caner and we have a two and a half out at Cana really we've only got 25 minutes well we haven't even talked about Mac OS yet let alone if there's things that are gonna be developer stuff to go between I think we may want to get out our camping equipment and just be okay all right well it looks like Tim Cook is back up on stage according to the live blog the stream is a little bit behind but speaking of which next up is the Mac okay this is good all right sorry I want to take a little bit of a vote on the name right so is it gonna be called high high sierra is it gonna be called mojave it's the Koya Sonoma Ventura like they've taken out a bunch I'm riding Mojave because if you looked at the leaked image I toss and I miss I miss the cats I'm gonna be honest no there's plenty of cats you can't go for house cat names next yeah like little house cat Mac OS tabby sounds great I do not getting off that train yeah I think I think a lot of people miss the cat so I'm gonna say in I'm good with the Californian landmarks because California's awesome this is a lot of stuff in California I mean when they exhaust you know what else doing for cats all right Craig federighi back on the stage anyway more free software updates right the mac free update was a big deal I remember paying mm-hmm 129 dollars to get what was it leopard probably Snow Leopard or leopard Leopard yeah no Snow Leopard I think was the first but that was a 29 or 30 9.30 all right or whatever yeah but I remember it's like paying actual money for these updates and it kept people from updating obviously which was a huge garetty problem but it's really good that they do that right okay here we go here we go the name is gonna be revealed as you may be aware I'm naming Mack releases L hi Capitan hi ok here we go here's the big reveal it's coming this suspense is killing me yes is there a Western is there what north side that comes out what if they totally change it all together nope nope mahogany hobby it's in the lake was there with the dock mode - it was good to have well now we know how future versions could be called Sequoia Sonoma winter because those are the other things that they trade for that's right possibly possibly possibly all right Oh interesting that talking about dock right now I think because beautiful in the day and beautiful at night just like your Mac Mojave like say it's a Mojave again Mojave she does say it a little different how do you say Mojave Mojave actually I said originally I think Mojave bhave the salt returns of us enough of the cow behind it CK a fragrance of a smell like the desert and live in your dark mode or night mode were they calling it my mother I have to see the image is pretty cool sand dune is pretty nice okay as you can see it's not just the dock in the menubar it's the windows by the content of the windows it makes photographic content pop off the screen I have to say true because if you think about Lightroom we think about Photoshop all that word natively now and it does really help with image editing it really does same on iOS - if you look at that and even like Microsoft Office has like a little kind of dark skin for when you're reading you know reading mode on like a document or like a PowerPoint yeah I haven't used office in a long time Google Docs maybe I'm sure you met Pages and Numbers and Keynote right yes yes yeah I use them all the time that we can use here is it or a message isn't I that's I that's gonna look sick on your on your laptop you have a Space Gray laptop it looks like Space Gray let's dark mode on iTunes yeah it's all over do you notice the words iTunes and awesome in the same sentence well it looks like iTunes still lives for those people it's literally a coat of paint talk about that could be a whole like use the Xcode little demo that we saw from that leak oh yeah I hope you can decide what's dark mode and what isn't because the mail app does not appeal to me in dark mode this is just my first reaction but no but even like hey for these apps I want this app to open a dark dark road every time like if I'm in final cut or I'm in maybe like a photos app but maybe I want my browser to be not in dark mode right email not to be or message I think they're 20 years too late like email already passed email already passed it says emo emo sorry emo emo goth so maybe we'll have like maybe night modal be the new you know 90s about guys I'm sorry to tell you in the fashion 90s back huge thing right now movie called Jurassic world coming out a little maybe started in the nineties yes I saw the wu-tang clan last night starred in the ladies let's not go sleeveless that's all I'm saying okay let's let's not go there No thank God - the photos up because I know yes I'm going to do it in ultimate dark mode this is an interesting thing in our thing she says you could scrub your stacks I hope there's some more context oh the stacks of like category stacks yeah so you can put everything that's on your desktop this is super so for someone like me my desktop is such a mess and it's full of a bunch of different like screen captures video files like random things and so to having them like all stacked in one place that looks really useful I would use that absolutely I think for also people that make it worse because Siri can be like could you please clean up your desk program where it's like hoarders for your digital hoarders like Oh your digital desktop was clean do you really need this receipt from 2014 I always has an activation code for this app I might use now I was joking a little bit this some of you haven't heard today it all was a little bit of their content we hear lots of stories about Apple producing content and gonna be launching shows but I didn't I did they did say that they're like they're capturing everything in 4k for Apple TV like a bunch of old movies they mentioned that during the game which is kind of cool you haven't sort of seen because you know always the Apple is making a big push into original content yeah where's my Apple TV shows besides the karaoke apps don't have a new competing show from Netflix to compete with Netflix called Apple is the new black okay that was a bit with the other Netflix joke I love choice from Sesame Street by the way if you didn't know Sesame Street a lot of joke cover stuff parodies so they had one called orange is the new snack back into the 90s heartily okay so it looks like there's a new gallery View mode yeah so eat somewhere close back cover flow Oh see I never was a fan of cup of was you know iTunes a colorful this looks like cover flow but I'm seeing like some information on the sidelines yeah that is useful but I mean I'm so used to just pressing like what command I I mean okay cool it is weird like these these little nitpicky things that really make or don't make certain things because Mac OS have been around for over a decade like great like since 1999 so like 15 or 19 almost two decades yeah Winston's been around for a while but the point being like it's been refined refined refined mostly pretty well but yeah some of these look pretty good yeah definitely alright um markup tools and watermark PDF we're in watermark documents when you click on uh yeah so I mean this is also something that happened in Google i/o that I was kind of really interested in a lot of these kind of now first party integrations killing off a bunch of third party apps that know if they made their bread and butter doing these things which is a common conversation about in the most recent years but it used to be that WWDC was the the death watch for apps I remember when they started doing different screens right when you had different desktops and there was a really popular desktop app out there that was like got kilt and they were so sad about it but you know well I'm doing like one of my favorite things in preview is adding digitally signing my name with that signature so some of these again small features coming from other things like the watermark thing is definitely you get that in Photoshop or Adobe products just need to see them being integrated or a few permission slip right now yeah well this is now talking about screenshots and in mocking up so this is kind of like what we saw in iOS pretty much you know the annotations with that like how many guys for the iPhone tens here how many axonal screenshots do you have 50 another problem is there not a problem actually you take the accidental screenshot but you don't save it because you know maybe how many do you accidentally take very rare I take quite a bit yeah I don't have that problem I see the thing is I found with a case this case in particular is much better at risk limiting the number of accidental screenshots when I go naked without the case it's not sounds kind of weird when I don't have the phone the case this naked eye it is much like more likely for me to do accidental screenshots especially from gripping up and I think you know that I prefer not having cases on phones I mean living wild and free in the world with my phone so maybe I should put a case I mean but I would do that I would do that in a heartbeat yeah searching up to like our live stream a bit too yeah I mean it just looks like this some more annotation stuff happening and screen capturing for video inside screenshotting oh I like this is really useful it's right now you have to go into QuickTime yes the screen record yes you do and you have to like plug your phone in and if you want to do that it's it's a long convoluted process re if you're doing it on your phone if you're doing it on the unjust desktop yes what QuickTime you go into the screen recording mode and it is convoluted yeah this is looks like it's much more efficient way to do it and the number of times that I need to capture my screen he's a lot more than I ever thought it would be yeah especially it working here exactly well there's a lot of like useful tools in there and I like reshape and resize and one thing I really like talk about we haven't really talked about the touch bar but I'm curious to see if they do address some of that and these updates anything is more developers but well my favorite things is when you are doing screen recording it's be able to toggle them on and off in the touch bar I think that it's like one of the times I'm like this is useful it is useful but like that one time time like 50-50 predictability of like working out when I'm in the app and then if I'm in a quick time doing a recording at the same time sometimes the touch bird doesn't have what I want it to have on it at the time so I kind of forget that I'm doing a screen recording and then I end up just stopping it in there in the menu bar anyway so I want to see how this new this new screen capture for video works it looks really useful so it looks like continuity is next up talking about the way that your devices are talking to each other how you can you know basically pick up um you know doing something on your iPhone on your MacBook and vice versa so there's now a continuity camera so in the Keener out saying there's a space for a perder they've got a photo of Craig federighi up here uh you can click on it and then it lights up your phone so you can take the photo and it instantly drops it into that presentation that's pretty sweet yeah that is pretty cool and it works with scanning documents too um so you can take photos still doesn't even capture video again goodbye to those party apps that that do that sort of for you and that's the same thing happen at i/o - I remember going oh well bye to all those scanning apps leaves all those people to develop new apps that true I think also one thing there were some rumors about maybe more iOS and Mac OS integration and whether that was on the developer end or on the consumer end wasn't very clear yeah but one thing I've always appreciate it as a consumer is stuff like continuity or even this morning I had posted something maybe to Instagram and I wanted to have it on my Twitter but the Twitter is on my computer so I just copied it and then it's in the clipboard on my computer like stuff like that I love I absolutely love like the hammer always forget about that feature thank you for reminding me because I constantly go oh and then I end up like sending myself a message and then I go oh I actually forgot I'm signing to the same Apple ID I don't actually cut and paste that's the thing like it's these right there there I just you actually have to involve them like every day into your routine for you to remember them Apple new is coming to the Mac Obama and stocks stocks there we go um so I don't know you would be consumer of news like you know like would you do in a dedicated app see I quite like the act of going to individual sites or an Agra like Google News which is I mean exactly what this is just in and out I don't know if I wanted it up it's like I feel sometimes we are the same person I'm the same way I've been like a news at Google calm person forever and I just love the way I don't know just I really appreciate ways kind of selected for me as well as just it's there and I can go away from it's not always trying to get my attention like Apple news really wants my attention but maybe there's ways to control that and maybe it's something where I would have in a separate window now I'd have to try it out and I feel like the more I kind of go down the Apple news hole I'm like yep because it is getting really good predictions for me the more you use it but then now I have an Apple news one have a Google News one with their new app I have Flipboard since I still use so it's kind of like one of these is gonna win out I don't know which one yet I don't know I don't know if it will be Apple news for me but we'll see voice memories though coming to the Mac this is good I use this so much I mean journalists generally do use voice memories or know whatever voice recording app quite a lot and sorry seeing it integrated into the Mac is a good thing um and that's that's that's it you know voice memories it's just it's there it's good it should have been there and a lot earlier on it should have been a lot better earlier on it's such an easy thing to fix I bet you can scrub with that touch bar but that's gonna happen well I do love doing that it's really good I like it a lot okay sir security and privacy is up and there was just a little a little nod to the home app coming to the Mac you have to control smart home devices I think Megan and Andrew from Kentucky will be very keen to hear that yeah ed liked how Andrew kind of phrased at how they were in front of everybody but then other people caught up in front and it's similar I could be said about Siri - yeah it was really better before its time and the other people gotta cut up so usually Apple's not first and usually a Tweaker an adapter of something that has been out for a while and yet in those two categories Syrian home they were mostly first at least on that scale right so I'm really excited to see what they do and if they're able to make it as flawless as it is between your Apple devices as using other connected devices and appliances and stuff like that I'm excited too you're right and you're making think of it yeah sure absolutely it's a great point and now obviously the privacy and security I'm kind of interested that Apple didn't lead with this because normally that's kind of like one of the things like front and center up top so obviously reiterating again on you know today to our usage remaining private Apple the sort of Apple devices checking in with you to basically before you grant permissions that's we know that and what better way to do that than putting it about two hours into your presentation and so now on Mojave we're extending protections to include your camera and microphone as well as protecting sensitive parts of your filesystem and this is protected by default according to right battery keys on stage and I think that's good it's gonna be a conversation we're always gonna be having yeah the privacy and the fact that it just does it for you and people I think people are concerned with it I don't know if there is concern with this journalists are on how it is using my data and stuff like that they just want things to work Facebook's a great example of that but on the flip side I think as they're able to push the technology of stuff that needs your data like Siri or home or searches and stuff like that and compete with those companies that don't feel like they're protecting data as much to sacrifice that Venus that would be pretty cool definitely that's that's the kind of better thing apples we're making right yeah and so in Safari now I'm dramatic tracking detection was last year because last year they said tracking now there's dramatic traumatic tracks dramatic tracks so wait you look at a product on one side and it follows you wherever you go sorry hey we just you want a one sign of fall do where you go that's good or bad that's like it's we're shutting I saw I haven't I haven't come across this because I don't yeah okay oh that's smart okay okay so that is being shut down okay okay shut it down shut it down all right sorry we the Mohave we're making it much hot if the track is to create an unique fingerprint so basically following you around wherever you go um so that's that's interesting and now if you click on it looks like the kind of thing what char is saying here is if you comment fields share buttons can be used to track you if you don't click on them but if you do click on one now you'll get a pop-up asking if you do want to give it mission which is just another granular way to kind of get get you across that that's cool bow that's pretty neat yeah well we're gonna just get so many pop-ups I mean it's gonna be asked for my location okay's you know yeah but I mean the thing is that once he grant it once to an app it should be it's fine from there on in I thought it was only for location it's only 24 hours so you you can so you can also go into the settings and make it and give it always access all the time so there's three layers there's like never and there's only when using the app and then always sorry there's there always to do that so it's a constantly either in the background or always just you know I don't know what I may have time to do that cuz I'm still working my way through the gdpr emails have that add that to the list of going through all my websites to given permissions yeah another woman on stage which is great um and he who's the marketing manager for the app store so we're talking about the Mac App Store so I think last year WWC we had a huge overhaul to the iOS App Store and that was you know a big dramatic change a lot of people didn't like how there was just one big app front and center as soon as you open it and then below the fold there was all the other content and so that caused a lot of a lot of debate I quite like the new design for the app store I'm very used to it now I know at the time a lot of people didn't like it maybe I didn't like it at the time either I don't remember what I like to hear it was different it was different and I think it depends how you've used the app store before but what's neat now is they've definitely built a case that it's helping apps and as Ian was talking about I don't know two and a half hours ago yeah like natural that would come to the yeah I'm curious who's the people writing that's because there's people must be are authoring that and right they have a team of writers they've hired and I've run across a couple of them in my travels okay and so they definitely like they're hiring ex journalists they're hiring PR people and they're writing like real writers it's pretty crazy when you think about like how much effort is going into editorial efforts at Apple when you know they're making a devices company well because services is now such and I'm sorry let me to talk over but I was to say I think part of it too is we see that happening with already with Google and Facebook where they don't call themselves media companies but if anything else they're advertising companies with our media Flair and I think that's also seeing that with Apple news like as they're pivoting more towards that being editorial and the app stores definitely with that so if it's curious because now these are the people who are now kind of filtering the things that will come to me news wise and media wise and and the thing I always bring up whenever that conversation carrot turns that way is are these two people we want to trust to do that I do they have serious journalism training I mean I hate to sound like such a such a like pedantic person about it but like have they worked in a real newsroom do they understand how journalism works do they understand the process and what it takes to get stuff verified and all of that and how do they decide because they're at a weird intersection right I have to worry about CNET as an editor they have to worry about everybody and so how do they make these kind of calls it's I believe that's hard for Apple news their editor-in-chief they actually have issues called it energy came from New York Magazine though they're definitely pulling some people from the blower yeah but the criticisms that came to Facebook for the trending tab right and how they hired contractors who a lot of them were straight out of school and it's like how are you how what gives you the right to make these types of decisions it's very weird and maybe it was very I mean I would think it's fair to say well that was very naive a Facebook because I don't maybe they didn't think the future would get that much traction and yet it's become the center of so many controversies here in the US and abroad which is why they killed it up yep alright back to the Mac App Store looks like a couple of changes this and the Mac App Store has been one of those sad sorry states I mean like I go there and I'm not interested nothing here for me and I know a lot of developers felt the same you know it was sort of not really a place where they could feel like you know their app was gonna get surfaced and and there was enough positive content around that so now there's like video previews um they autoplay which is strange so I thought you just be able to go okay well just want to see what it's like anyway the new this new discover tab this ratings and reviews upfront you can browse by category and there's even tutorials too sorry office 365 is coming to the new Mac App Store later this year it was like my room CT that's pretty exciting I would do I mean unless you're already paying for a white room well that's a curious thing is would it be a subscription like rumors that like a still making no I don't think I think what probably is going to happen is that they're doing subscriptions through the app store just like for Netflix okay so now looks like we're talking a little bit of gaming metal okay if it's the 90s coming back I'm gonna save that for the an emoji isn't there a sequel coming out for Bill and Ted now the 90s are back aligned the planets sadly George Carlin's Omar with us why not I would get CJ Carlo would be awesome or they could or they could probably do a voice imprint I mean he did so many episodes of Thomas the Tank Engine that they probably have his voice I think that in his every year he basically had a new stand-up special to the literally hours of him why we are in the weeds I'm okay bringing up George okay so they're running through a demo of a Unity game walking through a forest all rendered live on a macbook running an external GPU so that it's now support for that they also showed some benchmarking scores before I totally missed I because I got that in the weeds which I was asked to do I think you guys play games on your Mac I know I honestly I mean occasionally steam games become an Xbox and Playstation person switch as well this Ricker's as much as we want to integrate all of our devices do everything I still like going to a Playstation or to switch for games or I used to do see them I haven't done steaming or gotten pages either I mean that's like that's to show you how little I game on the Mac which is but I think that we are not representative of the gaming world seem is very much a big thing nowadays I mean PC PC is we talk a look at metal and developing games for Mac what that where that audience does it maybe it's an audience that is waiting for something to happen I think it's absolutely it's waiting for that I remember getting like my first like Macintosh color classic for college to play mist on yeah and the thing and then you had no other games really I mean like actual games maybe like an early version of like Tomb Raider or something like that I've imported over but yeah games has always been kind of a weak point on Macs yeah and it's not for lack of the hardware I don't think no its DirectX is the big problem DirectX is so good from Microsoft that you know people tried to get it better on the Mac they had OpenGL and all these other things while this turned nerdy second but you know that but it was I mean that really made a difference for a lot of people but the external GPUs might make a big difference I mean yeah that could that could at least give them the power and then the question is do they have the right technology to back up these games and also make it easy for them to port right oh yeah you build a game for the Xbox right now it basically runs on a PC right you build a game for a net for the Xbox you have to put a lot of work in to make you work on a Mac and we've saw earlier and earlier this year they were talking about the professional ends coming out we had iMac Pro a little we hadn't seen anything yet for the Mac Pro but acknowledgement that a new Mac Pro would come out twenty nine twenty nineteen yeah that could be maybe a year and a half even if they did it like December 30th well they do that two more days before the year you're promised it would be exactly ok so there's some machine learning stuff so some in terms of improvements in acceleration with metal in machine learning um and uh how we come to the question that we've all been asking the fact that Mac and iOS they're very similar and share a lot of elements are you merging Mac OS and iOS I'm waiting for the I think they're gonna do it for developers but not for consumer so yeah I think being able to develop on the Mac unlike the iPad pro is probably gonna be a big deal I'm bringing Xcode on right but doesn't mean I'm gonna be playing my iPad app on my Mac as a makes sense it makes sense to keep them separate I think for right now I don't really do do you think oh I don't know I mean to me like the iPad the functionality would be vastly improved if I had access to I I can understand I do it I totally understand why they do it but the iPad and the Mac Pro to me and so another mic right there and the MacBook is heard like interchangeable I could use one in place of the other and I would want same functionality carried across like a like a clamshell iPad is really what we're talking about with a keyboard which is basically what the iPad pro yeah it is that's what it doesn't happen to have a dedicated him really a sport or a trackpad yeah okay so now they're gonna give us a little bit of a sneak peak of a multi-year project we have going on I think this might be accidentally falling into there's a lot of rumors that Apple is going to switch away from Intel just like they did away from PowerPC back in two thousand five and six and start using their own chip well you've got to think that in their hidden rooms there we have these computers running here on ARM chips but yeah I'm sure yeah and they master okay a sneak peek at this so this multi-year project is for Mac tapping into iOS yeah we think that some of the apps are gonna be great on the Mac that's Craig federighi speaking so he's not gonna merge mac OS and iOS he's just gonna make the apps interchangeable which is what kind of was expected people are kind of hoping yeah or at least again building that yeah and to your point both of you guys you know porting an app from one to the other shouldn't be as as difficult as it is and sorry I mean this is this is really for the developers right now want to make it much easier so like the frameworks being brought over to the Mac yep there we go there we go that's what it is what it is but yes to see what it'll look like Xcode on the iPad part yeah that would be I mean expert on the iPad pro would be really killer and probably not that hard I mean yeah I mean it depends if you want the runtime on the iPad as well well that would be the point right I mean I'm sure it has absolutely I mean in a way in a weird way if I'm programming it's almost it's not like this but the equivalent would be kind of like I'm copying and pasting it into a Mac side or an iOS side in it I'm not having to rewrite it entirely for other one that would be yeah exactly okay so it's coming to developers next year so you can bring iOS app apps to Mac's next year being maybe but two days before WWDC 2019 saying the news app for example was one of the things where they tested this idea bringing it from iOS to Mac OS apparently that is going to be originally iOS app that they made work on the Mac the way I see I say well I mean I'm interested to try out news on the Mac I don't think I'm gonna be a frequent user Patrick and I were just talking about this but but I'm definitely I'm I want to say is it gonna learn better about me is it he's gonna be something I use or am I just gonna be browser-based knees soon yeah I don't know I think it's something interesting too that we've seen Apple do this a lot in the past year is kind of giving a preview of what's to come which traditionally they don't talk about the future at all right but also to go away hey these are some projects were working on this is some software stuff for workouts pretty exciting but when it comes to big moves they have Telegraph like the Intel announcement they they announced as six months beforehand and so they and actually the Apple TV was shown six months before it was released or three months four months oh and the B for that matter B iPhone in the iPad but they do do it sometimes but you know it's usually when they want to get a lot of attention for it and they want to kind of bring up some interest right that's a big key thing I feel like at least it's coming a little more towards consumer things to chance of like consumers are understanding it and also I think there's that balance again there's a whole industry of room reporting on rumors and speculation about like what the new iPhone is or what this is and able to heck keep some less surprises because so far we have heard some things that we were hoping for but there wasn't a lot that we knew they were definitely going to announce today yeah it looks like team coups back on the stage now it looks like he's wrapping up me merging me emerging me emoji so developer betas are gonna go live off to the caner that's pretty standard practice oh I don't know let us know if if you're a developer and you're gonna want to put two betas on I want to know hit us up on the scene at live hashtag are you brave enough are you gonna do it I mean a Developer Preview generally I mean I've never put a developer you want to put the public betas on a relatively stable relatively stable you've been pretty ok it's gonna be interesting to see whether or not again like they're marketing this as faster and more reliable will it be faster and more reliable in the betas and traditionally the final versions of cold masters come out the fall so they do have like a good four or five months to do that absolutely I'm but interesting though they're just making a short video now but I like do we really think that we have like a real kind of representation any kind of hints about future products like because iOS 12 normally gives us a little bit of an indicator of what is gonna come in future iPhones I don't know necessarily if we saw that much today that is uh that is that I don't I can't think of anything right now I'm off the top of my head after this I'm gonna go back and watch the keynote again I'm sorry I didn't I didn't say anything into Tila that would kind of give a hint to that well I think that's fun too because usually when these get released it's usually a month in or something like that and developers find like the the infamous knotch design for iPhone was found in one of the api's way late in till it was found but ahead of time so I'm sure there's there might be stuff like that I have a feeling that being said with all that happening last year they might be a little more and I would say double down but they would definitely be making sure that we try and make sure that wouldn't happen again right so it looks like they're wrapping up now this is just a video concluding everything talking to developers and that's that's kind of in our one more thing did we well at this point it's like two hours and twelve minutes into it do we want one more thing as was anticipated I'm actually kind of surprised that there wasn't even just like a little concession kind of like I'm less expensive or hard or something that was like a beats branded home pod or yeah beats branded speaker with Siri integrated especially since Siri was kind of one of the big topics but really there was very little on on like the home front on on home kid I was the home app on Mac I know we want to we want to speak to to Andrew you have hot when he has a second Oh Megan saw in the shot right Oh Megan's on great X Megan to be better maybe if she's on yeah I thought Andrew wasn't but it's Megan amazing welcome back sir thanks what did you think about the announcements today like the home stuff there was very little I mean apart from that the home app on Mac right yeah I'm a little disappointed you know we were watching it for two-plus hours and there wasn't much on the smart home front but we did see two things that caught her eye for shortcuts that will actually include the sort of iOS 12 when that comes around you'll actually be able to Duke us and you can say you know stuff like I lost my keys which was an example they gave but also smart home stuff like set my thermostat my thermostat to 68 degrees or lock my door stuff like that so integrations with the smart home devices that are already part of home kit so even though they didn't announce new home kit devices or integrations it does sound like shortcuts will kind of incorporate home kit and the home app in some way which is at least something and it should would make I don't know people that aren't familiar with home kit or the home app shortcuts might actually be the bridge for them into it they already use Siri to control stuff like tile to find their keys maybe they can also you it for their home connected home devices also related to that with Mac OS Mohave the home app is actually coming to the Mac so instead of just having that stuff limited to your iOS devices or the home pod you can now sort of manage your stuff monitor and control it with Siri on your Mac so that's all stuff we're looking forward to testing out but again we were yeah we were really hoping for that less expensive home pod I mean at 349 bucks it's pretty cost prohibitive especially when you think about the $50 alternatives from Amazon and Google but still we'll have to settle for shortcuts and Mojave and test them out and see how well they fare so where do you think that today's announces kind of leave Apple in comparison to like be the Amazons and the Google's like are we any any closer or is it just a totally different race all together I'd say Apple is still so so so far behind again you know they started out in 2014 they announced homekit first before Amazon had had their smart speaker before Google had any of their stuff and and they're just you know four years later and we're still kind of waiting for them to make that big announcement that'll set them ahead of the pack because they had that momentum such momentum early on and and they're really not even struggling to keep up I'm not sure they're prioritizing it you know when they introduced the home pod they specifically said they were focusing on sound quality they wanted to compete with you know more high-end speakers like the Google home max which isn't the first device someone goes to when they're thinking about investing in the smart home they might start with something again like this the $50 Amazon echo dot or the Google home mini something that is a nice sort of entry point into the smart home because people that are buying those might be more interested in just controlling select smart home devices rather than setting up you know a nice stereo sound in their home so I think they're kind of limiting themselves in that regard because how many people are gonna spend 700 bucks on to home pods to put those side-by-side in a room they do finally allow that functionality since iOS 11.4 was announced last week in addition to multi-room audio but again those features are already available through and Google's so yeah we're really far behind and we didn't see anything anything else in terms of adding new device partners you know we were hoping that they would say oh yes we've opened this up and now we'll have this Developer Kit that might allow third parties to make it really really simple not just getting rid of that MFI chip that Andrew mentioned earlier but really really opening it up so that anyone who wants to can add those smart home integrations we didn't see any of that today like with the lack of hardware announcements today we usually have an event the fall for the iPhone but we used to have events in or August late the summer I wonder if there they could foreshadow an event where they are announcing something like a more affordable home pod or announcing something that's just around the smart home and just over on that platform and what do you think about that yeah I mean that would be awesome whenever it can happen we're ready for it you know we have our space out here in Kentucky where we're testing all of those smart integrations and it wouldn't be amazing to see something like that that's definitely something we'll be looking for in the coming months and and hopefully they can do that quick to kind of stay competitive because you know Amazon and have six seven eight smart speakers at this point as well as integrating into third-party devices like smart thermostats like the Eco before stuff like that so yeah we're we're excited for that possibility but I'm not gonna hold my breath cuz uh it took about six years to get the home pot out so so who knows yeah well let's hope we know what waiting another six years for for other stuff thanks so much Megan appreciate your insights and looking forward to seeing you coverage from today thanks again Thanks okay also on the line we have Vanessa and Arianna who is standing outside the Convention Center in San Jose where WWDC has just wrapped up Vanessa what did you think about the announcements today well before I get to that Lexi I just kind of want to show you what's going on in here because it's the first bit of excitement we've seen in Oahu people are starting to file out it's been totally empty for the last two hours now that all the attendees are starting to file out of the San Jose can sorry the McHenry convention center here in and they're actually making their way to the food where I would be as well did you did you do a little bit of a sneaky ever caught reconnaissance mission to find out what the food was you know what I will have to get back to you on that because I was watching the keynote just so that I could have a something to report back so I haven't yet but I will get back to you I promise and I will even sample some of the goodwill so stay tuned I'm looking forward to the food coverage because that's that's important but I know they said about the conference report back sound sounds good I'm sorry what did you think in the announcements I know there were a couple things in there that you mentioned before you alluded to watch OS 5 I feel like we've got a lot of things today you know and watch I was bad I think our watch OS 5 prayers were half answered we got a lot of what we wanted I think the third party integration sorry third party app integration is is very welcome addition I think it's becoming more of a companion the Apple watch now than ever before okay II didn't kind of mentioned this about having the the tap to remind you about the important things I think we might see that with this theory shortcuts especially because they're customizable now on the Apple watch I like a lot of the Fitness features that they added the yoga track II and the hiking not just like being able to tag that as a workout remember Alexi that we were able to tag it out to work out now it actually factors in it factors in your your cadence and your heart rate and the altitude in terms of what activity you're doing and it factors it into the rest of your day and which is which is a nice nice welcome feature as well as a lot of the running features that I liked in terms of just being able to tap you when you're going below your pace it would be incredibly helpful during a race I can see that how that would be helpful during a race and the actionable notification so a lot on watch OS 5 but I'm sorry that I think it was Patrick that wanted the sleep tracking he didn't get that sorry I mean I'd sleep checking to me wasn't a huge deal at all so I'm on behind my guys you were saying I'm really I'm really interested in to like to see how these actual features work you know tracking my progress over time and dragging different types of workouts I think that was a real weakness of Apple watching so now I'm really interested to see how that works I didn't get the women's tracking I know I know we didn't we go to wait maybe that's gonna be that gonna slide that in there somewhere I like secretly a new Apple watch it was the group FaceTime I think I don't know if I'm the only one back I know we had a moment we are excited about you had a moment with you with the memories you know what I'm talking about face time with multiple members of your family across different countries oh we were so yeah we were sitting we were saying that you could probably even feel like a business thing with that like I suppose using Google hangout to have like a meeting but everyone could have me emoji faces no I just know she was how they presented the features to like shut your phone off and to to the the forget what they we're calling up at the parental controls and the screen time controls that was it and then they were saying oh yeah so that you you know you're not using your phone as much and then they're like and wait mimmo GPS use your phone and message everybody with your emoji of yourself so the cigarette packs of cigarettes the morning yeah well look I think you know what exactly the one thing we can take away from this is it's gonna turn us into a lot of narcissists we're gonna look it outta me more so than we already know we're using a far too much we're gonna have to go and then like do something in the real world like look at ourselves in the mirror maybe I don't know is that we do we know never Apple here with our me emojis exactly Vanessa is there a hands-on area or anything like you guys are gonna be able to play with it so I hear there's a demo area where we're gonna see a lot of these things in action so I'm gonna go scout that out after I get food and sample it so I'm not sure what exactly they're gonna have because there was no hardware announced today but I'm assuming maybe they'll have the latest OS the their devices running the latest operating systems are wicked update eight so I'll go Scout it out and hopefully report back with some some cool new on hands-on demos of all these things that we were just talking about I hope you get to see the the Lego hands-on and I want it I want to play that this was like a lot of fun and the measure tool is gonna be really helpful alright so yeah a bunch of good third-party we were talking about this during the live show a bunch of third-party absent now sadly closing their doors because this is something of the pad but so now it's now it's native now its first party so you know five by third party apps but it's it's useful I'm excited to say okay well we'll let you go get some food and checking with the developers and give us the inside scoop there once you're inside and get hands-on with the demos and thanks for joining us will do guys thanks Vanessa standing outside the San Jose Convention Center that's a hot gig you know standing for two hours outside you know watchin alright that's happening inside what's the temperature like today down there it's gonna be warm yeah when we were in Chicago was kind of the office it was kind of freezing outside being attacked this is this is a long event and it was a lotta even though they weren't like I know what do you think there was a one big thing that people are gonna grab on to but it felt like there was lots of little things yeah lots of little things and lots of updates that I feel who are actually useful rather significant significant and things that we were actually asking for but the other interesting thing though for me it felt like a lot of these updates were geared towards consumers rather than developers because there wasn't really that much in the keynote at least from what we saw in the live blog and the images that was kind of like developer first apart from the Mac and iOS you know the app integrations like that for me it was always very much like a consuming yet cater it and I would love to hear what developers are actually thinking are they feeling like they're kind of like a little bit left out given that there wasn't that much kind of in terms of you can develop XYZ for the platforms in certain ways it was very much like here are the new features that we have and and that's Conover but oftentimes Apple does this in Google to where it's a very consumer focused event but it's showing you where they're headed right and what they're thinking and in some ways it's almost like trying to show the industry like here's what we're thinking right here's what we're here's where we're pushing things and also by the way there's this whole other part of the week where you know they have these intensive sessions that where they go into the super duper nerdy stuff that was even nerdier than this last two and a half hours of our lives so there is a lot of that - I'd say one of my favorite things is when they have this the keynote slide of like iOS 12 there's like the ten but then there's like the 40 things kind of like what does that feature do that so I'm sure we'll hear a lot more about that this week but also the first day has become a lot more publicized we're covering it live lots of media are covering the event even though it's really geared toward developers so I think you have a lot more consumer interest in this well and you have to be able to come away like oh yeah me emoji and be able to group FaceTime stuff like that or up there could be an update to your Apple watch I think that's easier to grab on to them like oh there's these new API is that the developers are gonna make that's gonna make your Apple watch be able to order a pizza for your something like that quickly to the CNET live hashtag on Twitter all right couple questions MacBook Murray this is from Amiri MacBook Pro where it was any update I was expecting I agree I I mean you know we knew there wasn't really gonna be any hardware at least I was hoping there was gonna be something about we've improved the touch bonus Siri on the mountain blah blah blah something at least to kind of improve the functionality even if it wasn't necessarily a new hardware I was also hoping for that too unfortunately this is not the event for that we're gonna have to wait possibly until I mean I don't know are they gonna lump it all into the phone Amman in September and maybe they will new hardware maybe or maybe they have I feel like it's kind of like it's just there's so much to talk about discuss and a highlight into cram as much fun as I would have been to see a new MacBook or a MacBook Air with a Retina screen or an iPhone as see to that I don't know where they would have fit that in and had time to give it like its its time and its weight to really sell it because there's so much really important things I did hit on and we're talking like over well over 2 hours I'm sure they had probably four hours of material that you're gonna hear at throughout the week as developers go through some of these intensive seminars absolutely and then Gabriel camera and microphone protection by default on Mojave on iOS 12 great now I can take the tape of my camera you know it's funny originally I used to think it was kind of silly that people would cover their cue their cameras and then I saw the Mark Zuckerberg has his camera covered on his Mac I was like oh well maybe there is something to this after all and it's very funny because it speaks very much to how little people trust their devices and how afraid of hacking they are and I've even seen covers they saw on Amazon for the cameras on your phone and so it'll be interesting to see you know there's this pervasive belief that Facebook's listening in through your microphone all the yeah and I'll tell you I know people who actually have disabled Facebook's access to their photos and their phones just to make sure that that doesn't happen and I don't know I got to answer these types of concerns somehow well and they're definitely concerns maybe not entirely logical ones are based on facts but the fact that if you're scared of your camera spying on you because you saw like mr. robot and they did it on that show it definitely already saw the 60 minutes where a guy hacked it live I don't know how many people trying to hack my camera and and I'm not challenging anyone to but I would be curious to see like I want to have more control to that if that comes in a hardware solution like that clever huawei laptop which has yeah the pop-up key for the selfie camera like that's kind of cool because you definitely have a open and closed idea but make sure that it's defaulted off I think that's such an Apple thing to do absolutely one last one on saying that life from a same where is iPhone se to Wow sorry it was it was not today was not today alas the foreign event in September is the next big Apple event and we know of so well we don't know of it's not guaranteed but it's pretty pretty likely right there's pretty likely sorry maybe iPhone se 2 will be there yeah do you think there could be like an like an iPhone se 2 or maybe like a smaller iPhone 10 an iPhone 10 an iPhone 10 plus or whatever would be called the 11 yeah I mean I feel like it's it's good I mean a lot of people saying they - 10 is gonna be discontinued effectively for the next generation I feel like I don't know are they gonna discount the iPhone 10 or are they just gonna basically go you know what NAR we're just gonna end it and then I'm gonna have the 11 or whatever it's gonna be cold it's gonna have it's gonna be the next iteration that's gonna be at that premium price point as well repackage it like the 5c where they just ate the components and well yeah in a different way anything I don't know I maybe they'll they'll keep the iPhone 10 and use those cat names for it you can buy the iPhone Leopard it's hard to tell when they're how they're gonna sell these things sometimes you know I think a lot of people were surprised by the iPhone getting more expensive when they for when the rumors first started and look obviously Apple says that the iPhone tone sounds really well so they are not gonna give up a $999 price point right it's just what we call way yeah and I mean and to be a fair like you know Samsung phone there's nine hundred and fifty dollars so it's not quite a thousand but there's a lot of funds up in the upper upper range that we see but also we're seeing there's a lot of really good phones the on the Android side that are two or three hundred dollars for those people who are really looking for a budget picks that do all the things you could ever hope a phone could do but don't I could buy three or four of them for the price of one I thought they don't do an emoji exactly me emoji one last one comment from Hamza iOS 11 public beta was twenty sixth of June 2017 so thinking similar date iOS 12 good cool okay finally before we wrap up favorite feature from today's keynote hmm Wenger first I would have to say dark mode I mean oh yeah are you talking my god dark mode we got dark mode on everything helps my eyes I don't like to get blinded by a bright screen so yeah dark modes cool yeah I love it Patrick I have to say I think that FaceTime group chat thing is where tough for me honestly I could imagine like my relatives and family are spread all over the u.s. us all having that call and it being five or six of us not quite 32 but that was pretty exciting and if it works as seamlessly as iMessage and FaceTime has already that's even better how about you Anne I'm all about the bug fixes I think if we can make these things just more reliable and more stable I am a super happy guy also the notifications thing if they did find a way to make it better amen exactly okay for me I think Apple TV and Dolby Atmos was a huge deal that was really big I also really like the emphasis was placed on watch OS I feel like watch OS for a long time is kind of like very very incremental not that useful I feel like this is kind of the OS that Watchers been waiting for for such a long time so to me did you did you catch is that dolby atmos update is that a software thing or is it gonna be a hardware like I know I think it's a software I think it's I think don't quote me on that I need to and some of Dolby stuff is hardware some of it is software so I think it depends on what Apple already had in there yeah we need to double check on that and that might be a good segue to say like we have a lot of coverage that today absolutely there is so much stuff on cnet.com if you want to catch up on absolutely everything there you can go there and if you're watching on youtube make sure to ring the bell and subscribe thank you for watching Chuck us a like and say thank you again for watching us don't 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