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hey everyone thanks for tuning into CNX live coverage of apple's education event in chicago my name is Jeff Bakalar and I'm coming to you from our studios in New York along with Bridget Carey and Dan Ackerman thanks guys for being here with me it's exciting it's very exciting for the next two hours or so we'll be taking calls from our team on the ground at the event in Chicago and we'll be following along as the event happens because guess what there's no video coming out of Apple this time it's just us look at you now this isn't a typical Apple event it's lower and profile compared to the fall keynotes that happen every year and it's focused primarily on Apple's involvement in education the last time Apple held an education focused event was six years ago in New York when they launched digital textbooks I was there for that event what was that like it was no hardware it was just them making a way for you to make interactive textbooks using Apple tools so I almost have no memory of it whatsoever do you remember I just remember the the giant paper textbooks that I would buy for about a billion dollars and sell back for for 35 cents at the end of the semester right I'd be all in on electronic textbook so they haven't really talked about education focus stuff for a while it's really it's been a while as the point we're trying to make now if you want to be a part of the conversation hop on Twitter and use the hashtag seen it live so what do we think is going to happen today some hints may be given with the invitation logos look at the logo right woody bridge it what can you extract from that we have we have writing let's take a field trip this is clearly something that you might write with a pencil or pen on a stylus if you will okay so you're saying that this will be some sort of writing thing well this was a good good read because I I looked at this invitation a million times that I didn't get that yeah like oh my god that's it the light bulb just went off because you have the Apple pencil which is that $99 stylus accessory that only works with the iPad pro right of course is very expensive it's actually a great stylist you ever use one it's got really good drag to it it's like the realistic I think tablet writing you can get but it doesn't work with the regular inexpensive iPad which starts at 329 but you can usually get for about 300 bucks that's the nine point seven inch from last year and it's really good and if you're in school and using an iPad that's probably the one you're using so maybe just maybe they're gonna add pencil support to that because it just plugs into the same lightning connector at the bottom so I guess you could do it would it be a number two pencil pencil - no but I mean if they were gonna make an a second pencil yea I would have to have maybe be the same pencil or maybe the same pencil even maybe they'll have them with an eraser who knows well so I guess like the thing that we should really be focused on is maybe perhaps that this is not an event where a lot of consumer stuff would be announced or maybe it was like a byproduct of their education initiative so doesn't that mean usually when you know things get introduced for the educational sector we're talking about a budget or a lower price thing so that you know everyone hopefully in theory in the country could make use of it I think I think it's true in theory and iPads were first touted as being great for schools because they were so much less expensive than laptops at the time right so you could give every kid in the school or in the district an iPad even because they were only $500 but since then I've talked to a lot of people I know in the education business that people who are teachers people who are principals here in New York and they say that their schools and I fir this over and over again have moved away from iPads and moved to Chromebooks that's right inexpensive laptops running Google's Chrome operating system because they are frankly just less expensive than iPads but more flexible in a lot of ways because they're basically just web browsers you can't install you know the same games on them that you can on on an iPad they have very little you know cost to keep updated because they're essentially just cloud devices like what 200 bucks you could do 200 you could do 3 4 500 you could do a whole big range of prices but the key thing is the school can just give everyone a Chromebook and then whenever they want just collect them wipe them hand them out again it's really easy to do the same on the cloud it's interesting you bring that up in 2017 survey was done every three out of five tablets used in classrooms in America ran Chrome OS oh yeah and another way of putting that like 60% if you look at all the schools that you know are buying devices 60% are saying that they're using Chromebooks look K through 12 schools only 17% are using Apple products and 22% of K through 12 schools are using Windows so apples in last place so this is a way for them to go hey pay attention to us again they're gonna have to show something software cheaper hardware to make it more enticing when your school's already invested in a Chromebook yeah it may be just that nine point seven inch iPad that they updated last year that frankly we call the best bang for your buck iPad unless you really need a pro you should just get this basic model that they have been selling for 329 if they cut that by 75 you know they make it 250 or 275 or something like that I I could see that being more of a competitor for a Chromebook but you still have to get a keyboard and maybe a stylist if you want to if you want to use it like that so should we do some arithmetic then all right so you said you can get him to about 250 because you know that's what it was during Black Friday they were selling them for 250 and nobody was crying too much about that right and then you also talked about the accessories I get the adults yeah so you've got you you want a keyboard that's gonna be what about 130 if you get the official Apple one when you get cheaper one yes are you gonna for 60 to get them off-brand and then the pencil and if there was another hundred unless they lower the price if it even works on this device which it currently does not that was a problem with the Microsoft Surface tablet uh you had you it was a reasonable price for what you got but you had to buy the hundred and $29 clip on keyboard otherwise it really was not that useful yeah and I think for school you need a keyboard selfishly I'm interested to see if whatever it is they do announce today kind of trickles down in the rest of the product line like you know I can't imagine them saying hey this hundred dollar pencil is now available to every student I mean that is not a reasonable thing to sort of yeah that's that's one and that'd be great but what I'm saying is I would like this sort of new pricing structure or whatever it is there's this budget thing again it's all speculation you know to trickle down to their consumer product line because I mean selfishly I just wanted it's been a while I want to do iPad you know well if you look at history Apple has in the past made a product just for schools it was during the iMac phase where remember those colorful big ol yeah yeah I had them in my school yeah but there's something called the eMac that was a cheaper version for school so really for something in between and they eventually did bring it to the consumer market but other you know upgrades kind of overtook it very quickly but it makes me wonder yeah would they make something that is like hey here's an iPad for everyone in a school extra cheap iPad I don't know right I don't know if they'll even bother doing that but I would be interested to see that cuz I think when it comes to helping kids just making it something super cheap the accessibility that will that will help them take that next leap it'll help kids it'll help hook the kids for when you know they're they're used to using Apple products more when they want to be consumers later and go to go to college and I think we've exposed a little bit of the generation gap right here you had Emacs in school I had Apple to C's I don't think I had any Apple computers in my school that's because Apple always made deals usually to get like you know with the school could buy them for cheaper and that was the mentality you know get the kids used to Mac's but then we all had pcs at home so there was a disconnect now kids are all having mobile devices and so they are more used to using Apple products anyways and if you get them young if they're used to using whether it's a MacBook Air or an iPad in the school when they're you know in grade school in high school then they'll graduate and go to college I want to get like a MacBook Pro or or an airhead and then they're customers for life if you hug them young so maybe we'll be an entire generation of Chrome OS users because these kids are used to using Chromebooks and they go oh that's what a computer is and maybe everyone will just be you know Chromebook people in five or ten years we're all good people well let's get the live blog if you want to follow along also we have several scene that reporters there at the scene right now of the event it's it's taking place in Chicago at a high school called Lane technical prep school and what why are there no kids in school today I'm maybe they're just in a separate section of the school for this event I'm serious homeschooling them all today Genius Bar people to their homes to teach them stuff okay well I I think it's interesting that they picked this this school to you know kind of really dumb first off they're good at demonstrating right in a presentation so they want to really make you feel like this is a realistic you know thing for a school they are picking though a technical school so obviously the kids here already have a lot of access to more to more tech then than most you know public high schools would have but I would say looking at the makeup of the school this is a magnet school you have about 60% of the students here or they are economically challenged at home they are available there they're able to get government funding maybe free and reduced lunches you know so like money's on their mind every day yeah when it comes to stuff but they're also exceptional students who you know are high achievers because they're at this specific technical school so they're probably gonna see a lot of stories on what they're doing in technology to you know kind of what the future is for them and and how Apple devices can impact their their studies so I'm interested to see why they they just picked this particular school they're definitely doing their best to make it very school like I saw a tweet from our buddy Scott Stein where they had given him Apple had given him a class schedule for the day oh yeah and they were set up like you know can't o'clock this 11 o'clock this and then this missile at the end of the day yeah a little PTSD for a few people out there in the audience imagine you walk into high school somebody hands you a class schedule yeah just like freak out man I just have a terrible kind of flashback patient General Assembly a creative lab coding lab oh so after the assembly he's gonna go into coding so that okay what does that tell you these are some clues right this is giving me this is giving me Bronk science flashbacks right no you're right the it stuff there's simply stuff there you know I think it's just it sounds like there's gonna be hands-on with something well I mean Apple already what do they do in education they have the the Swift programming courses they have a lot of iTunes you obviously we already talked before about their last thing there are interactive textbooks so but the coding lab that tells you that they're going to be doing a lot to show what ever and software wise you can do with to learn coding on on these machines to help students and then teaching kids to code is such a huge you know thing right now yeah even you know super young kids four five six years old or already learning that yeah maybe there'll be some sort of introduction of a program that they're kind of spearheading I'm hearing that Scott Stein is live with us on skype right now let's go to Scott on the ground in Chicago what's going on Scott hey Steven if you're gonna be able to your senior year be honest yeah we nearly really know we very gratefully and slowly I'm sitting down at Wayne Tech's auditorium here in Chicago we are super crammed in these are these are students teats they're not meant for covering precedents they do have outlets which is nice and I'm sitting here with Connie who's over here and go on espanol and go Santa and we also have Lexi we have Shara over here that's about the the general range of my movement right now that's about it that's pretty good he's got a nice little comfy and tight hanging in there okay Scott would weep have you heard anything since you got there do you have a more clear idea of what exactly is going to be going down in the next couple of minutes sure this has been a lot like an immersive theater event I came in we got a class schedule set it up so we've got some stations and rooms and presentations we all got first day of school weird feeling filing in into a very classic Ivy League looking sort of a school environment saying how you do other people in the tech press and feeling awkward as we always do but even more so because we're in school and then we came in there was some breakfast items we sat down in this big space here and I think what we're expecting to see I mean there's not been a structure like this before so there's a presentation but we also know coming up that there's going to be a classroom saying there's going to be some sort of coding station or other classroom spot I think we're here until 1:00 so but it's very you know broken down into groups and we're gonna have to see you know how that feels move the station was April I'm not gonna be coding later and I am I making robotics I have no idea so so what's the vibe I mean you've been to a bunch of Apple events what would you say the vibe of this one is compared to the other ones that you've been able to check out I know this is more lower profile so a lot of the same event staff people we know you know from Apple events or here and the vibe is I mean this is a real school so probably a little more quiet respectful trying to figure out our way around this different space the the vibe is very much like here's the next place you have to report so we went down these school hallways other people went on other hallways I don't know where they were going you know we got put in our our zone I think the the vibe is curious about why this school and what you know what what the pitch what the explanation is with that how that how that feels different I mean outside and we super-cold there were a lot of pop up registration tents buildings so now like other Apple events actually the one on campus down in Cupertino was a bit like that and in kind of the same people but you know this is such a recent event if you let's get popped up that everyone just heals pace you know quickly assembled for for this and we didn't know this was coming even more so than normal it looks really hairy pottery out there it's a if you look at those pictures inside it's pretty relaxed and in chill but you know I see full shoulders like you know a couple of cents a head I mean so he's over there we've got all the familiar faces at Apple that I've seen so we're sitting pretty close to the front and then again we know that some of us are not going to the same place later on so we already know that our pads are diverging well a nice cool yeah but clicking you it is a total high school I went to the bathroom so you know it was like the faculty bathroom oh you needed in an elevator pad hey hey Scott where where'd they put the students it's spring break is it spring break is that where all the kids are I don't know what the kids are maybe it's probably spring break right I I guess we here it's next week yeah I guess it's different throughout the countries but that was like what we were wondering where the hell are the kids they're working not to mess up their stuff right you know don't mess up with stuff be respectful maybe they're gonna appear at the end and say surprise ha ha here for us hey guys so I don't know where the seats are really cramped these are you know like so actually i'm i've been ipad now opened up which is much better for my legroom then it's an ipad thank most likely so i'm working on an ipad that's appropriate and also because the my live blog tool wasn't working on the laptop hey hey scott so like selfishly is there something that you personally want to see i mean i know like we're kind of all anticipating some sort of you know budget ii ipad situation or you know a pro educational kind of program that they might roll out but is there something you specifically if it's selfishly at all like wanna see Apple talk about or or release today well there's just been this has been a split forever between the iPad and Mac books and I've said this for years I want them to combine I mean I just want some way that those two can feel joins and I don't think that's going to happen here but maybe maybe it is building out the iPad plans more I do like the idea of putting pencil sorry I'm drifting a bit pencil into entry-level iPads so that people could use them to to draw and I also think who's there oh by the way we're guys Gore's here yeah Wow what's he doing is right there along with Angela what's he doing there what's he doing I don't know he's coming to be with us and he does come to a number of Apple events Bay Area is just three rows in front of us so that's that's pretty cool so that's pretty cool maybe they'll be other appearances and surprises yeah I'll just turn around and email so I also think I'll just turn it that way and talk I also think that yeah pencil is a big deal because for art for other functions like that better keyboard support if you're gonna use these things to compete with Chromebooks which have made a lot of headway in schools pricing and again I just think if you know my wish list I don't think will happen here is just to make these iPads and work like laptops for what what kids and anybody else leads them for to close that gap because it's not closed well and iPads have advantages in being a little more closed off and for education that can be helpful but also it's not great for running especially the browser environments to run certain types of tools I find it frustrating I can't file where he's easily on iPad so that's I want the trackpad I want the full wonderful laptop transfer moving so going back to the whole educational angle we were just talking here before we went to you live in Chicago that most schools in the US if they do have some kind of tablet they're using a Chrome OS based tablet three out of five tablets in the US are Chrome OS tablets used for education what what can Apple do to sort of make a dent in that disparity well maybe they can start by making one thing that I feel is that Chrome OS is out there and there are a lot of chrome tools maybe iPads could work butter with with chrome tools I think that's I think that's feasible it seemed so because you're not going to not going to get rid of that market I mean and I think it's a very distinct landscape than Apple and the app ecosystem I think some way to address that defuse it I think Apple will just keep building most likely on on the apps and advantages there that they have already died and maybe it has to do with creating a better way we were just talking about this before and Charlotte Shar had written about this about resale value for iPads maybe there's a user acquisition system for installing these and schools and trading them out for other models I don't know but I know that my kid uses an iPad and I know that my kid also uses a ton of chrome tools and wants a Chromebook so you know and that's something that feels more like a regular computer because it has the normal web tools and a trackpad so yeah and it runs the different free apps and software so I think that's a thing all right we'll let you get back unless you get something else you want to talk to me all right we're gonna let you get back to getting ready for the event which is set to start in about five minutes or so Scott thanks so much we'll we'll look to get in touch with you after the event buddy hey you guys are great good job I'll see you again all right tell Al Gore we said what's up no cutting class Scott all right we thank Scott Stein that's not an easy thing to do in that seat waiting for the live the show to start great job and there was a woman right over her shoulder giving him side eye most of the time yeah she's skyping from the seat yeah she was sort of giving him just the stink eye every couple seconds to go that was interesting Al Gore's showing up currently he's on Apple's board yeah okay we're just informed by others laughs that cool just so you guys know the Apple event that's about to happen five minutes from now it's not going to be streamed at all this is really the only way you can follow along live you know with the combination of this video stream and the live blog that you've got below our player so you're going to want to keep it here for the next hour or so while this goes down I know that's a lot to ask but you're gonna get the latest and greatest right here by sticking with us so we look forward to that event starting in about four minutes we'll be re-enacting the live blog yeah you'll be playing the party nine uh Dan will be an iPad iPad so we look forward to that getting off the ground in just a few minutes so yeah I mean I'm pretty you know I've got like a lot of things swirling my head about what exactly is gonna go down but you know I I'm not expecting to be surprised in any sort of way I think like you know Apple has a lot of like Scott said has a lot of work to do sort of catching up to to what you know the Google platform has been able to do with education in the country so there there are a few rumors and little leaks here and there from the iOS 11.3 now beta okay you know something I believe it was called class KITT kind of wish was shown inside the code props something to help manage apps that were designed specifically for teachers using them in the classroom so we could hear about that maybe and also there have been reports of iBooks getting a facelift of sorts and just being called books because in the beta version the app is just called books so that's what we talked about back in 2012 right like they have iBooks electronic textbooks maybe that's getting a refresh and just something that kind of matches a little bit more with what iTunes looks like I mean that's something I see today as a as a parent walking to school every day is these kids even though it's 2018 still have these gigantic backpacks on full of all these books and it's such an archaic concept that you have to carry these big textbooks to and from school every day we're almost way overdue for for electronic textbooks to take over not just in colleges where people are definitely starting to use them more but also in you know middle school and high school yeah I mean that is something that I cannot believe we're at a point at where that is not completely eradicated how that cost a lot I mean and then you have the issue of like kids losing their you still need some physical book and look in the you know to like go fall back on right but do you need to take them back home all the time yeah I mean well that I mean I remember there were there were initiatives to sort of like leave the books at the school and not have them be you know lugging back and forth but that's right 2018 how are we still carrying around I mean I'd like a 25 pound backpack definitely what I was like was that Mary who like heads my books were so heavy I was ordered to not wear in the backpack because I was gonna get scroll hostess and I had to have total nerd alert here that's not hurt that is protected it's fine no no I haven't little dolly rolling I mean like rolling the class and my braces will say I do see today a lot of kids when they go to school they're double strapping it with a backpack and in my day you would never ever ever do that nobody goes wonderful once bad yes why don't you permanent irreparable damage my god I already kind of look like this when I stand up straight I know if I don't correct for it this shoulder is like three inches lower than this shelter we got to get out in front of these textbooks they need to be more than just I mean it sounds silly text because the whole point of the physical learning like everyone learns differently you learn physically you learn what audibly I like to see what they're gonna do to make it more interactive to make you actually want to engage with the iPad more so than just like and now it's words on a screen so I can carry less because I'm a highlighter I like I like interacting with them yeah I don't know there's something about this whole sort of thing that I kind of struggle with from you know I mean I understand like where Apple's coming from where they want to kind of indoctrinate an entire generation of students to become customers when they when they're old enough to afford their own you know Apple products but you know I'm always curious how they had they walked that line of not getting you know to sort of like you know commercially in front of students and I'm always curious to see like how that balance shakes out I got it got some interaction on Twitter right now hashtag seen it live if you want to drop your thoughts in a tom rule over here you know he's saying oops like this profile instead tons of reasons why text won't go away students learn different paper versus screen retention is key paper rocks but also his schools looked at Chromebooks he says and they found that like really too much damage and iPads are harder to break in his schools research so maybe for some schools that that is something to consider too because you have to obviously replace them when the kids are lugging them back or not around interesting sounds like he's in the pocket of big papers he's in Georgia I guess it's it's easier to get repaired with the knife I mean he says in his tweet so you know everyone's got a different viewpoint right remember this is not the only tech company that's really focused on schools in education and trying to get their product in front of students yeah last year I think it was last year Microsoft did a big education event here in New York where they talked about two things that are very similar to what Apple is doing number one I think that's where they introduced Windows 10s which was the limited version of Windows 10 that was initially meant for education Windows laptops that again worth 250 $300 but secondly they took the surface tablet they're basically their version of an iPad and showed off a lot of new education software that used a are for classroom purposes like looking at like a moon landing or or or other kinds of stuff like that I love that style yeah yeah and it was a mix of virtual reality and augmented reality using a surface tablet but experiences designed for students presented by teachers at this Microsoft event that we went to probably about a year ago hmm yeah it's just a cheap way for the kids to like pop on some cardboard do you think or not even that they would just hold the surface up and like like the moon like the Mars rover would be right there and you'd be all like looking around it oh right right like as an AR - yeah so it sounds like the event has kicked off they're being treated right now to a video of children playing we know exactly where they where they're focused on out of the gate Shara's basically transcribing what exactly is happening slow-mo emotional music which I think you can just imagine in your head just fine and then she said there's some some voice over a child says imagination is the key because you're using knowledge but you know to make something no one's made before so we're getting real heady out of the gate at times heartstrings of course so yeah I mean you know they're obviously really ramping up to maybe you know inspire some creativity from children are we gonna see a not okay we're talking all this time about about the cheaper iPad I mean we guys seen iPad pro upgrade maybe - I'm sure I mean maybe you know this isn't the venue for that or maybe you say that later and that gets sort of you know announced quietly it's a wild card I'll throw out okay which is this guy right here at the classic MacBook Air which is used by a ton of high school students and college students still one of the most popular laptops on college campuses especially sure because it's the least expensive Apple laptop it's built like a tank it can last you know years and years and years about $1000 its 939 you can usually get him for about a hundred bucks off you know it's kind of dated it's got this giant bezel here around the screen the screen is low res I still got the classic I won't take it personally you know what people still love them even though they haven't really updated the design significantly in years and years they give it a very very very tiny CPU spec bump last year staying within the same two or three generation old CPUs but that's just shows you the longevity of this machine if there is a way to get the price this down a little bit because frankly it's been 999 for years and years and years why not do that and give every maybe not from middle school kids but for high school kids and college kids give them a $700 MacBook Air why not right this is a prep school he's talking college stuff - yeah so Tim Cook is take took the stage there in New York in Chicago rather and you know he's talking about being inspired by children obviously over the weekend with the March for your lives protests that happened across the country sort of playing into you know the future of our country is are these children for sure so so yeah they're talking about some sort of partnerships that they've recently done sharra says that Tim Cook is quoting the CPS collaboration that Apple partnered up with and they're going to be teaching coding to more than 375 and 70,000 kids across the district and now getting into more about the specifics of Lane Tech and its efforts to to sort of be a part of that Lane Tech is the number five school in all of Illinois in terms of US News and World Report rankings I got there a little okay there top schools for sure and they say Chicago is the third largest public school district in the u.s. more more more PhDs come from Lane than any school in the country huh interesting go Lane all right so yeah you know I mean kind of makes sense now why they chose this high school yeah you know all this context definitely like it's very diverse they're trying to tell ya it's a very diverse school to also have students playing music in this video behind Tim Cook now where's photo we know our products can help bring out the creative genius in every can of course creativity they're gonna focus on it that's their bread and butter so Scott is talking about how now they're going back 40 years and they're going to teach a history lesson that starts a 19 seventy-eight and now here's where everyone starts to feel a little old this is getting a little nostalgic for me III see the old computers we used to we if we had floppy 5 inch worth but we learned basic em you know I'm gonna say 56 seventh grade at my public school in the Bronx we had a computer lab full of Apple two-season Apple two E's maybe and we used them to make our own like text adventure games and like little uh you know math games and stuff and and obviously like different from the coding kids learn today was that your first exposure to max it must have been although I think I had a computer in about the same time that first computer is a famous one it was the Tandy trs-80 color computer ok also known as the by computer aficionados as the trash eighty the trs-80 which is it had a cassette drive so if you wanted to play a program usually a game you'd put an audio cassette in something that looked like an old audio cassette player that was hooked up to the computer you'd press play and when I have to play for like seven or eight minutes to load up the program yeah and then you were playing dungeons of dagger a Thor something and basically this is ready player one right here all the references I'm giving you are getting ready later on is the first chapter that maybe including that game I just mentioned that I played and it is very prominent in in that book because we had a very similar Ernest Cline and I must have had a very second experience look at that nice Wow it looks like it's a de Gattaca or something yeah I want to see my first exposure to a Mac computer I don't remember the exact model but it was like using hyper card remember HyperCard hyper studio no it might have been I was like a sort of like almost like a slide maker yeah I had one hyper studio sort of like Mac very basic like page connection sort of software it allowed you to like create some sort of like interactive deck if that makes sense I know exciting well like we my first is big floppy and putting in number munchers and and you know Oregon Trail and any sort of like big program like that but yeah all right back to the event Tim Cook is talking about the everyone can code initiative you know really going over the educational initiatives that they have under they've been undertaking for the last decade or so these these events are we start off with a lot of like humble bragging totally a lot of back padding yeah like oh check out all we've done just wait till you hear what's coming a lot of like done don't pay attention to the fact that you know more people use Chrome in schools that's not what we're worried about right now but again like this is the preparation for the you know sort of push that they're going to be making during during the event here now anyone in the audience in the auditorium writing up their live longer stories about this event on a Chromebook if so will will Apple agents rappel down from this feeling yeah just sort of like silently take them out you know oh there wasn't anyone sitting here oh got a woman on stage Shara says the fastest she's seen Apple put a woman on stage she is Kathleen Richardson who works with connected for Apple she's talking about using Apple products so basically classroom experiences using Apple products all right we're gonna wait to see what she has to say I will say lane Technical College Prep high school in Chicago it's most notable alumni appear to be Edgar Bergen the classic ventriloquist who created Charlie McCarthy oh yeah and then and then the next most famous alumni I see here is is actor Adrian's Ahmet from of course what's the triple to movie with the high school grease - I believe in grease - also hosted dance fever - grease - he's replaced John Travolta in grease - Adrian - Ned oh brother grease oh he was also on TJ Hooker with now you talking my language I'm having these factoids gaping gums but it's not a bad that's about the phd's yeah it's not about these guys how about grease okay so she it's not saying anything new on stage but just about how schools of used iPads you know it's it's expensive to have every student have an iPad so you haven't had a lot of I haven't seen a lot of big major success stories of schools why to keep investing in them and it's not just the hardware cost it's the upkeep and maintenance and mighty cost involved very often they have a giant cart that they collect all the whether it's an iPad tablet or whether it's a Chromebook whether it's a Windows laptop they collect them all and put them all these big custom cards and each one gets a like a USB input and a power in fact allows them to be charged allows them to roll out you know like a blanket update to do to do remote system management for them so there's a lot more involved in just giving a kid a box and saying go set it up and you handle any any third party cost there that's interesting I mean you know maybe there's a way to like you know streamline that and not have it be like this you know handout and gather sort of process but you know don't you know get mistake and there are definitely inherent challenges with rolling out something like this to students across the country it's not you know it's easiest for us to just be like yeah textbooks are heavy and cumbersome and stupid but the logistical role out of everything is not as cut and dry as you know standard books would be they currently have a program called classroom that lists teachers manage all those iPads - in case you're wondering about like you can't just like browse whatever you want or download whatever you want there are permissions yeah that are limited on these machines and school laptops for years had programs people come and pitch us on stories on these programs where the teacher could then pop in and see what was on everyone's screen right or take over every screen in the classroom because they had their master laptop at the front and all the kids had student laptops and the master one could control what happened there wow they're really dragging this intro out okay so Tim Cook's back putting a quote up on from Horace Mann education then beyond all other devices of human origin is the great equalizer of the conditions of men now okay so look now that that's all all these are handwritten again just like the invitation which goes back to your observations that maybe there is an Apple pencil no you're right Houseman you're right then they're just gonna be teaching calligraphy is what is going down here like you said before these kids are all going into the wedding invite business and that's what you need there is a dearth going on that was 150 years ago yeah you know I think like they're also trying to sell the idea to it's not just like use our stuff it's like you know you need tablets in schools you need this kind of you know drastic kind of educational reform so how do you guys use styluses a lot with either tablets or touchscreen laptops or hybrids convertibles two-in-one services there is something to be said about what you learn in grade school is how your brain I mean you can always really learn new things but like I physically like typing more when I'm writing although I'm sure a lot of people who are younger or even used to dictating more oh you know they're their entire you know paragraphs that's a lot you know you know texting is dictating now yeah yeah my text me is dictated by Hatter fine I don't think that far to do a whole like five paragraph essay with you know supporting evidence I don't like to do that but take you through they've run to the bank of payphones in the courthouse can we rewrite dictate the story right right over the phone and combat and also I write down with pen and paper still in a calendar because I'm a dork like that but I remember it better so but then but but but then if you write down on a tablet those kids will learn that way it's all about how you're wired there's a muscle memory involved with writing something yes so they're pivoting into iPad chat right now talking about how students love the iPad because it's so versatile and how it's become sort of a staple learning device so you know we're we're getting ready for something you know whether or not it's a new product well we'll have to wait and see but it could just be something more focused on the apps than anything else that's I feel like it may not be a whole new piece of hardware it may be new apps for the current nine point seven inch iPad which again is a great deal at 3:29 but you can usually get it for a little less and maybe some sort of extra price break on that Apple already offers educational pricing a lot of their products well it's pretty good it's 20 bucks off for iPads 50 bucks off so but educational pricing that that's for individually if you walk into an Apple store and say I'm a student I don't know about the pricing and for like buying in bulk if you are a school like that I'm sure that's better if you buy in bulk yeah I mean maybe I'm misremembering but I want to save perhaps maybe when I was in college the the discount the dot e-d-u discount was a hefty sort of thing and I remember holding on to that for at least two to three years after I had graduated when my email would still inexplicably work I'm sorry Scott we didn't have dot e-d-u I was in college oh you did I ate a UNIX account a VAX account and that was about it and they all started with like my social security number Oh ro that sounds secure yeah we played muds okay all right we're leaning into like the app stuff now they're saying that nearly 200,000 apps are made in the App Store for education it's probably something we knew already but nevertheless man they really are beating around the bush I don't know it's only been 15 minutes but like that may be why they're not televising this could be because just like hey we make a lot of education apps all right Tom Railsback on Twitter chiming in what we just talked about I he works at a school and he says they get the same pricing $20 off but he's not buying a gazillion just a few hundred that's a lot boo yeah so dad's up adds up the discount but yeah yeah they're you know obviously a lot of you know visual stuff they're really trying to glamorize the iPad learning experience but I don't know maybe like haven't a lot of there there are a lot of good educational apps on dal-su we've got kids about the same age you could use an iPad not yet he's sort of like his first exposure was just watching a video on it but he's never he's never really like there's a teacher on stage now Casey Williams she's a teacher from Woodberry down primary school she's now talking about how her students use Apple devices yeah I mean I know that you can really tell the funny understands like you know you're not even three he'll be three in a couple weeks but he gets it and I and I think it's you know alone I will say this though I think a lot of the learning that he is currently going on with him it's actually from TV I think like you know and we grew up with Sesame Street and that was educational for sure but he there are shows that he his memory is just like completely exercised with some of this stuff to the point where he you know in the and the instantaneous application of that stuff he sees and applying it to the real world it's just sort of like wow do you maybe you don't even need to go to school we'll just watch curlers a lot from Daniel Tiger it's a shocking moment and tell me it'll happen to you someday if it has not happened yet when when you're when your child picks up either your iPhone or your iPad and knows your passcode and you haven't told them haven't done dad figured that out right away yeah he got control he has an old iPad too I think in like a big rubber bumper he's and he's used that for years he forgot I had a search for videos by voice I'm like yeah I'm like YouTube for kids so he just hits the microphone he goes like marble runs making fly but but there are tons of games that have you know math components and reading components and basic shape stuff so there's a lot of interesting stuff there I think he's more into that than TV that well here's okay so here's some examples of how her students are using it they're not only researching collecting and presenting their work but they're doing it by making videos so the presenting all the work that they've done in a class project using video and iPad so being able to see their learning in video helps the teacher better assess what they know and you know it's I mean that was kind of joke like oh my gosh you're putting a camera on this big hunking I pie like who's using the well you know I feel it all the time a student project and that's an important point of differentiation between an iPad or an iPhone and a Chromebook yes you could possibly shoot some video on a Chromebook and maybe you could edit it if you had a good online editing tool but it's not as easy as shooting it on an iPad and editing it in iMovie or just trimming it in your camera rolling but even titles on it yeah that's one of the things that an iOS device can do that frankly a Chromebook or other Chrome OS device would really struggle with so a new iPad is coming they talked about how the nine point seven inch iPad is available to schools for $2.99 and a new iPad is about to take things even further showing the Apple pencil stylus is being showcased here and that's kind of the big announcement is the ID is that this new Apple iPad will work with the pencil and we're just waiting to hear exactly what it is Scott says it looks like it's going to be a nine point seven five I paired pro Oh interesting he said it looks like okay maybe it's it's it's boasting similar specs nine point seven is the standard iPad non-pro size that they've had since you know the beginning the quote on stage is the new nine point seven inch I think it's just an iPad not a pro right it's adding pencil support now the question is do you still charge and sync the pencil by awkwardly plugging it into the Lightning jack at the bottom of it which is one of the single most ridiculous I think Apple design decisions I've ever seen that in the mouse that gets recharged by oh that too yes yes so so I helped me understand in the iPad the 9.7 current iPad what what like what separates that and the pro here's an interesting thing Apple had the iPad for many years then they had the iPad air and air too and then they ditched the air too and said last year now it's just called the iPad again that was essentially in iPad air one in terms of body size and shape and features they added a touch ID it's got Apple fans oh yeah yes everyone has that one so but it didn't support the pencil it didn't have the same type of screen as the pro it didn't have some of the other high-end features that the pro has the pros ten point five inch there's also the larger 12 inch version you could still get to the pro but that's not as updated as the 10.5 inch which is the current one we're seeing one of Scott's all the videos of the new iPad there's the pro and I think we have the video of the 9.7 I've had from last year which probably is what this new one looks like these pro features in a non-pro body which is an interesting combination I like that yes oh so if so here here's a good sort of layout of what exactly is around aha so you turn that 9.7 into a pro what essentially happens I think that you add the pressure they're talking about some pressure sensitivity for the for the stylus okay stick in the side charging continuous says yes let's see dimensions the bezels look the same as the current iPad it looks like the same body frankly it doesn't look any thinner they haven't said anything about spec changes so that seems like it's software related they found a way to get the pencil to work with with the screen there's gonna be updates to these working apps here okay you know but that's not just for numbers that would be for every writer every iOS device so so yeah so you were not looking at any kind of hardware update I mean it would happen with all that yeah sure I don't know that's a good question so that might be the difference here because because the screen in the previous iPad I think I lost a layer of land they had like a one-piece screen design to save some money okay so here's a smart annotation you see normally when you turning your papers electronically your teachers have to still mark them up and so they have to print them out and this is something where maybe a teacher can you know actually you know make little comments on how little Johnny's doing on this assignment look at that that's collaboration but the same thing we do in Google Docs and we mark something up but that's super important especially if you're a school stuff and we do it here all the time it's tomorrow annotation your words will stay anchored to the words they were added to so I guess you can yeah it's like it's like that's kind of cool but a pencil the same exact kind of stuff but you'll probably have a little more freedom a little more flexibility to we see that a lot in the Microsoft edge browser which came with Windows 10 if you use that with let's say a surface tablet or any other kind of tablet or two and one with style support it's very easy to take a web page and mark it up and then save it and share it and that's one of the things people liked about edge and Windows 10 that you could do that they're talking about digital books again up let's see we have an example on here with it with a laptop a MacBook on screen talking about their interactive textbooks being able to customize it to what your kids are exactly learning about in class you can see in that example there's a video they can click there's you notice they're showing a MacBook Pro not a not an iPad yeah because it says they're bringing digital book creation to the iPad and they're putting it right inside the Pages app so it has the Pages app will have everything you need to make a digital book all right well that seems pretty cool on pardon the pun on paper because it's essentially saying all right well we're going to have allow teachers to me we design curriculums or some sort of interactivity customize that for their classrooms is what I'm sort of extracting from that kind of announcement which i think is pretty cool and with emphasis you can personalize the book with your own illustrations which actually this is yours Bridgette honestly what are you doing classes especially things like chemistry you're saying they're copying the teacher you know drawing things out it's more than just here's a little doodle right right so a teacher might have their own doodle that they want to put on a lesson yeah so yeah I guess there's so what the takeaway is right now is obviously how pencil is this sort of educational key that they're a lock that they're about to really lock the pencil after just the pro and it is expensive not everyone who bought a pro bought the pencil so it's been a very kind of niche product so maybe this is the way to get the pencil in a lot of different hands is it still $99 and they have not said yet well all this stuff we're talking about the iWork suite of apps they're all gonna be free into every iPad so right out of the gate you buy an iPad you're gonna have all this all this power okay so now we're talking about the specs Oh most affordable iPad but they haven't said the price yet it's gonna have a ten-hour battery with an a-10 chip okay eight that's good doesn't the old one have the a9 gyroscope so it'll no tilt touch ID they solve that oh yeah there's still a fingerprint scanner on there which could be important for schools in terms of authentication and logging in yeah cuz right yeah if you're going to share an iPad and with new face idea it's a bit much and expensive I mean just weighs just a pound I mean I like what I'm hearing dan does this sort of on paper feel like it's mostly a clone of that it is not radically different than the than the iPad from last year I think I'll have to get a closer look at it to see but I don't feel like they re machined a new a new physical chassis for it they might have changed the display technology to work better with the pencil sharpener pencil support seems software based this is interesting they are going to before we get there Shar said with the a10 fusion chip this iPad is now more powerful than most PC laptops and virtually every Chromebook Chromebook a little big right there yeah by sharra we're getting to exactly what you said about what Microsoft was doing many realities you're gonna be pointing this iPad at things and you're gonna be seeing live things on your classroom table you can already do some of this with the regular iPads obviously with the latest phones they've been very big into this show so I don't think this is a huge a huge leap I don't think this has you know I guess like a the advanced camera setup that the iPhone 10 has for example that really does help with augmented reality but you owe an attorney history app is an example right now I've also seen this girl with her you know it's the classic science project of I need to make Planet yeah I'm like mom dad tomorrow I'm supposed to have plants and you run to Michael's your football yeah and so now here's a girl like making it to the future with her always it's augmented reality planets Microsoft showed off with with the surface doing an AR solar system yeah for what it's worth the Apple store is currently being updated so perhaps these are something here it could be you know consumer focus consumer facing there's something called AR Boulevard that will that is almost like a art history related app and you can kind of imagine art hanging on the walls says I mean another one being talked about called free rivers by the World Wildlife Fund so it's not just reading about science quote onstage it's experiencing it yeah and I feel like this new iPad isn't it's not going to be only available to people in schools they're just gonna put on everyone will be able to buy it and maybe I'll get your twenty hours off right you get you with your account with your with your Education discount it was interesting to hear that that schools don't get preferential pricing even though they buy eight balls if they can get the iPad down to two hundred and fifty four holiday sales school should be able to have access to that price they're not made the schools aren't out to do anything except to teach children and help the next generation become better than us if I were Tim Cook dare to say I would want a free iPad and every student's hands in the country because you're making a lifetime customers totally this is a almost a trillion dollar company if they could like it it schools yeah with g5 that's an investment yeah I mean I then you'll buy a mac book air and then later you buy a MacBook Pro buying an iPhone and you're buying apps don't schools have to now invest though in cloud storage to be able to have all the students save all this work to I don't know I guess we're not educational experts or even highly educated right of course I mean look at this but you know I think that some details being left out where it's like why is the discount so insignificant I mean in in major major bulk sure that it adds up but is it not easier to get these tools in students hands so I feel like they're still doing a lot of app demos a you know dissect a frog and all the solar system now dissecting frogs what else is vegetable cliche in the book can I can i record my school play yeah yeah I know maybe we could watch the school play with augmented reality and see like cool sets and costumes and special effects oh I think I got an idea here let me let's kick started it yeah you know it's pretty cool I think like if I had a tool like this I would be way more into possibly opening up a fake frog yeah kind of I don't want to smell that formaldehyde yeah you know that was like the worst thing I have such awful traumatic memories of that day in science and if I could just open up one of these things through my iPad idea yeah so the starting price for this new iPad 9.7 is 329 and the school price so you know what that does follow the Apple model which is the following year or the next update keep the price the same but make the product better they're not really big into cutting prices for the most part there have been exceptions but generally speaking the next version of our product keeps the same price improved suspect so you feel like you're getting more for your money but they don't have to lower prices overall which is something I think we all know Apple is loath to do to to lower prices in general right if you have an iPad right now you can download these Iwerks updates today and right now they're talking about GarageBand updates for kids sounds so it was a kid sound pack I guess to be a little silly goofy GarageBand is pretty awesome for kids back yeah so so Dan as a consumer you see the new layout you see the new updated specs on the 9.7 is is this a good buy it's the one that we had last year the nine point seven inch iPad which weekend was 329 really stood out as not super exciting but just a great value if you wanted a high-end have an experience because the only other step was getting the pro which is just so much more expensive think it starts like $600 something like that so the fact that they've added pencil support and a bunch of other things yeah it seems a little bit better than last year's at the same price which is the Apple model if you're gonna buy an iPad and let you really need something the pro has which used to be pencil support you know I feel like this is this is the one to get that said there are other tablets that are less expensive and do a lot of the you know same stuff I think the Amazon Fire HD 10 is a great alternative if you just want to basically watch movies and play some games on your tablet it's usually 150 maybe I forget phone sales on that it's not as good as an iPad 100% but pretty darn good and it's half the price they're not talking about what they do for when students are sharing an iPad because you know not every school is gonna have one iPad per kid you know that's a little bit so it depends on the school you go to right you know but they have something called Apple school manager where an Apple ID can be creative in bulk you can create IDs for you know a school of 1,500 kids in less than a minute um my graduating class was 2,000 so for me like I went to a big school so I my school would definitely have needed to share iPads this was actually a banner moment here this is a feature people been asking for for years and years and years the ability to have different accounts on an iOS device and a lot of people in and out to get your preferences and your information and your apps and stuff the fact that they're using schools I'm used to have this is actually pretty awesome if everybody can get this yeah that's what I was about to say they're sneaking it in under the guise of school management but at the end of the day it is profile swapping an account and an Apple ID swapping on a single device I hope so Danny really apparently though they had had this for school users for why okay as part of an Apple classroom app but clearly it not it's not widely spread we just asked I was asking about storage schools get for free 200 gigabytes of iCloud I don't know George I don't know if that's purse or yeah that's per their iPad opposed to the five missing five pigs that you get now which consumers I think still only get the five so Logitech they're talking about logitech's new kid iPad case and a $49 ago Lamar called crayon nice I don't know if it has the exact same features why not but I mean if it's half the price of the pence but the fact that they're opening up the stylus games the to third party companies is really interesting who knows how many knockoff pencils we'll see now and whatever you plug in a ten dollar one within you know two months I'm not seeing any new features in that pencil you there is just the current that's the same pendulum that's really good that III made my little yeah because I know that it's been so much time since Microsoft's pen has had an eraser and I always wonder like why but is it around I mean there's a button in the app yeah the tip eraser but we've had comic book artists in here we've had animators in here designers and have them test drive the iPad pro with the pencil the Microsoft Surface pro with the Microsoft pen things like Microsoft's big giant surface that looks like a drafting table and a few other things and and they're all good but definitely the pencil had it's fans it has a certain the tip of the pencil and the screen of the iPad pro and I don't know if this would be the same with the screen on the regular iPad there's a certain drag to it that really does feel like a pencil I found the Microsoft pen to be very usable in a lot of ways in terms of very fine control and that rubbery tip that really gives you a nice and a nice ability to really control the strokes but the pencil had this realistic kind of like graphite on paper drag that I don't think anyone else has matched because if you look at the pencil I wish we have one right here I could show you it's just a plain plant there's no little rubber end on the tip so it's a different feel from 99% of the other styluses styli that I've tried yeah I wonder if Scott will be able to confirm whether or not that's the case after he's heads he will be elbowing his way through the demo room and to compare with the crayon now no now they got a pencil my god I kind of dig this so they're pivoting to talking about having tools for teachers now and you know this was something we sort of predicted a few minutes ago where we're saying all right we'll you know creating syllabuses and curriculum for teachers it seems like they're getting serviced with a classroom app that will allow teachers to sort of keep their students focused and kind of track progress and that's a lot like we were talking about before where the Windows school laptops had a teacher program and the suit and saw the student program and the teacher could either see what was on the screen take over the student screen take any student screen and share it to the rest of the classroom that's sort of that sort of systemic control within like a 20 or 30% classroom setting the classroom has existed but the news here is that the classroom is now available on the Mac so if you're the teacher with your Mac you can you can kind of tap into it and not just be using an iPad yourself that's right the brand new app that they are debuting is called school work and that is a free cloud-based app that makes it easy to assign handouts and to tap into the power of the apps that make that are able to track sort of each student's progress that sounds fun let's make an apple called schoolwork yeah your schoolwork download schoolwork why don't they just call it homework homework like check your school work out for your homework yeah so that you know look this is definitely educationally empowering so that's pretty cool it's literally as easy as sending an email let's go so that's how most communication is now so they're just trying to like you know give you it's almost like slack for kids world you create future bridges or stop thinking about slack for kids you know I you know to me it's just funny how it's just basically like the digitized of all the analogues that we we had when we were in school like the xeroxed you know worksheets and whatnot and yeah the copy of copies that is like faded yeah you know especially public schools they're so caught in the middle right now between the digital world you know the transition vintage retro paper world so you could be in one class one year and the teacher has a great email list and sends out stuff or has some sort of cloud sharing account that that everybody can get their materials from and then the kid next classroom over could have a teacher who has no idea how to do any of that stuff and they don't get and they just get mimeograph yeah off-center pages sent home crammed in a backpack every day or if you go to the school office you still have to like write down a note on a scrap of paper and leave it in like a metal mail tin somewhere next to the timecard clock that they still punch in and out of the digital divide is real and and all and your opportunities are what tools are in front of you you know even students who like required that this homework to take home if they don't have an iPad or to take home there and have no computer at home what are they going they're going to the library which is also underfunded it closes in two hours and then whatever you can do there so yeah like all these things like like it's fantastic it's great but you have to also hope that that it can be in their lives throughout their day and when they'd have homework to take home to and that's why I think there's 200 gigs of iCloud storage is so important because one of the big advantages that Chromebooks and Chrome OS has is even if you're not taking that unit home with you at night you can access all of your stuff from any computer just by logging into your gmail account rather that's out of library whether that's at home whether it's your parents work computer their home computer a PC Mac even a phone really anything you can get to your stuff and it's all there in the cloud so what Apple really is pitching is basically a transformation of the entire classroom teacher student experience I mean they they seem to have you know designed a workflow that would essentially replace all analog elements of everyday school life and once we had robot teachers let me tell you now we're talking and then that's when they bring out the new Robo to do I want Carrie I want an emoji teachers no I do not want that I do not want that and thank god they're not leading with an emoji teachers we're talking about class kid now that's what we thought we saw in the beta version of 11.3 this is the API that allows all these hook ins to the school work system so all these apps can like connect into the main school work hub I guess it seems that school work is the hub if I'm reading this right it does look a little bit layered so it's hard if you know code until June right so sweet work will be available in June the same time as the classroom oh you just said robot teacher there's something called Apple teacher it's our free and self-paced online professional learning program okay for teachers tread lightly school work yeah so he showers a scoring available in June and then Scott adds that essentially this is their Apple's big answer to Chrome and it's sort of software ecosystem sure and remember Apple had an Early Head Start in this market starting frankly eight years ago in 2010 with the first iPad everyone said Oh a $500 computer like device we can put in schools that's great but then over the years they were totally eclipsed first bite see Windows laptops then buy Chromebooks which ran the Chrome OS system is it too late to go back now our school districts so invested in these other products that they get through gallery HP or Lenovo or whoever else all of who make education Chromebooks that are frankly often ruggedized yeah which these kids really need this does not look like it you'd have to get like a big rubber bumper cover or something is it too late Apple often gets into markets years after everyone else because they're waiting for the right time you know we're adding a big-screen phone now we're adding this feature we're adding uh you know facial recognition years after everybody else but it's still the best version and if it goes oh that's great for schools is it too late our schools already over invested in Chromebooks and and reluctant to switch you know and you've done to me now you've created a future this is the blood is where we enter the black for an episode no no so we got slack for kids an emoji teachers and now we're when you're shut when you're looking for to buy a new home in a school district you'll want to see if that school is IO s or Android I why is this house there chief the school district it's a Windows 10 it's a school that Black Bear house for the insurance money now Oh sad comment from Laura seeing that all this has me thinking schoolwork hanging on the fridge at home is gonna be a thing of the past you know our new smart fridge we're fine that's a Samsung oh no oh no it's what Billy your schoolwork can't show up on the fridge you used to be Oh easier can't do it now I'm sorry dude I did years ago get get four of those cheap but at 3m double plastic hooks yeah but they're with the Atlanta but the elastic thing you've pullin it pops off stick - down here - up here on your refrigerator you slide the iPad right in that was the first iPad wall mount I think I I hacked many many many you know seven or eight years ago I just put some of these little hooks up plastic hooks I got it Lowe's and just slid my iPad and I was like look I made a wall mount what else is happening here Bridge you look like something's caught your attention well I'm just kind of poking around when people are saying on Twitter but in general back in the in the live show we got another woman on stage she's from a school in Baton Rouge talking about how Apple teacher and her experience using Apple teacher so it looks like some folks have been able to use it already and it's changing how they're kind of doing their curriculums it sounds like you know the learning is more student-centered because they're all like around the computer and creating things I think that's fun I think one of them earned a badge four pages in iPads by doing the Apple teacher training oh yeah yeah we've added gamification to educational iPad teacher training yeah the teacher side it did say has badges and so you can see how other tea you can get examples though from other teachers you know so you're not like alone in your quest for more badges you can kind of get examples from what others are doing and we're not knocking badges in school I mean stickers and check pluses to teachers need some stickers too they need a little that's great that's great but I don't see here is something that's an interesting topic that I think people are talking about more and more which is remote learning like actually conducting classes remotely there were ton of startups that are very invested in that there's a Khan Academy yeah obviously very big in that there's a little different were you talking about with iTunes U though right like like like I mean that is in one wave remotely but it's not necessarily live I don't you know could you use your iPad to tune into the class if you're homesick for the day or something yeah yeah I mean you know that's something I guess surprisingly absent you would think in a classroom exchange with like you know like students in another country or another city yeah I'm surprised there I'm really surprised that's not something they're considering I mean that to me that sounds like a feature that they would have to run by the school and well I see a lot of students and teachers make their own verses of that and I'll just use Skype to like you know make that happen on their own but yeah as far as the program make it easy right that is not that doesn't dam a guest teacher guest lecturer and it just pops up and everyone's iPads of the class that sounds pretty awesome better than than a substitute who doesn't know the material today's special guest Jeff Bakalar coming to you live from New Jersey and we talked about learning a teaching kids how to code the Swift app and they they definitely have been doing a lot here already you know with Swift playgrounds you know making it easy with the programming language and of course get more kids to program on that Apple devices makes make mix more future Apple product things start um yeah like we're getting a real flavor of the event here even though Apple is not actually streaming it yeah definitely I mean you know I think I understand why they didn't choose the stream it but you know it is sort of like a very it's it to me it's it's it they're pitching the country where it's like hey this is this is what we want to do to change the way you teach or at least aid the way you teach it's not the most action-packed Erhard world or feature filled appaled event ever but i kind of like the crayon the the third party Apple pencil for like 50 bucks or so I'm really into that that's half the price so maybe they didn't cut their price but somebody in it but someone did yeah cuz honestly there's you but there will be some catch to that crayon it doesn't do this yeah well there will be something I don't want to tech products though at least get the job done that sounds like a that's gonna be an ad by next week gets the job done okay so yeah again you know the they're they're they're teaching to code initiative isn't necessarily new but it seems like it's becoming more sort of fleshed out I think this is the class that Scott's taking after presentation based on his on his schedule of it's got gonna learn Swift programming but will it work with lab oh oh yeah okay when I've been at like WWDC and they start talking about remember they introduced with you before last year maybe that's where I just I've been doing this for a long time but even I was just like what I mean I placed over Tim Stevens who sit next to me was apparently a big code was ago he was super into this so oh they're taking any swift questions who have asked him on swift there's an AR KITT module so now the students are learning how to program pendler and a program with some 3d and AR and that's like that'll have fun they're awesome Scott says it sounds fascinating I think I think being there you could just your imagination kind of starts to run you get to see like wow what if what if what would life have been like if I learned this and it how would have you change things yeah I mean I'm I'm a big believer that learning to code is similar to like learning how to play instrument or you know there's certain sort of non vocal languages that are that can really kind of like aid your developing mind as you as you become an adult and I remember the first time I learned to code just very very basic stuff that at a day camp you you sort of realized they're like oh I can speak and express myself in a way that is not just junk coming out of my mouth you know and I think you know pairing this sort of stuff with with math theory and music theory and stuff like that is really an important thing to consider in the well-rounded education of the next generation so why did you I'm all good was it a game was it it was like I don't remember the language but it was some sort of like shape creation this is a lot of like vector based kind of stuff where you would like just um it was more like just plotting points on a graph and like using language like it was a lot of like ent ext stuff like that if I remember I mean we're going back almost 30 years that's more advanced than what I've ever done yeah in my middle school we had violent it was basic we have to save our stuff on floppies yeah and the only mission we had to do was like draw up thing and have it animate and I decided to draw an intro to a new video game I created based off Sailor Moon so I called her Nina Wilder and it basically took seven floppies to make the whole school and so I was a bit of an over treatment what could have happened if I had this just stuck with me in a while next he's not the CW this is my production in six weeks let me make some calls do somebody pointed out I say you've seen a couple you mention this and this this is important to mention even though a $329 or $2.99 for education iPad is less expensive than let's say the original $500 iPad you still take that you have to add if it adds even this less expensive stylus that's another 50 bucks and frankly any of the halfway decent nine point seven inch iPad keyboards or $100 so $2.99 399 so 450 you're looking at 450 is that include a case did not even include although the keyboard could be a keyboard cover case so let's say 450 that's just so much more expensive than a lot of run-of-the-mill Chrome OS systems and and that still could be a deal killer for a lot of people out of school districts I see some vintage speaking of the original $500 iPad oh my god there it is this is 2010 whoa Dan and his giant sideburns comparing it to I guess a Kindle DX I'm going to say I think I still have that tie am I still wearing that watch a lot of other changes since that I took my shirts in now this is amazing so why were you comparing it to an e-reader original iPad no one had ever seen an iPad before and we were talking about we got one a couple of days before they went on sale which is rare for an Apple product and we all got a chance to make some videos and stuff and play with it I did one on eBook readers I think I did one on watching like Netflix and one on playing games and before this Jeff you and I talked about this we had looked at the iPad all the specs and stuff and all the controversy right never lie god this sounds stupid no but it did and then when we went when I got one I got to play with it for like literally two hours maybe like two or three days before they were on sale I said to myself at the end of this little taping experience was like dammit now I've got to go buy one of these things because it was actually awesome yeah I remember having that epiphany as well I can't I will be the first to admit I talked so much junk on that oh yeah for months what the hell that's not a computer there's no USB ports on it anyone who bought our USB ports on it yeah that's still a big issue but and man I did a 180 like 30 I was at Best Buy that morning day one buying my own I'm gonna buy one it's one of those things that and it's rare that you see this it's a product that is better in person than on paper right and I think a lot of that the magic there was like it was a product that everybody needed but didn't know until you had to use it in person and see it you know what else was like that switch yeah it's a terrible idea on paper awesome in person yeah sorry about like okay the Chromebooks but they're not touchscreen necessarily you know what a lot of them are and a lot of them for under $300 are touchscreen with a with a 360 hinge okay yeah I mean you know I'm just think about the creation I get the phone the pen in your hand the making something that connecting to the you know but 450 per student versus 250 per student right that's a big defeating look through the lens of a Board of Education you know no one's going to argue that Apple has made a much more sexier compelling case but I think when it comes down to the the dollars and cents of it you know I just don't know how this permeates in the way that they were breaking news more expensive product is cooler than cheap product yeah I mean that's that's just always going to be the case so yeah so we've been chatting a little bit about dads man and the soul patch don't forget the soul patch guy that's so amazing you tell me about that so they're pivoting into some other kind of stuff about the creativity the music the video drawing so that's why I was kind of bringing up the whole touchscreen and the pen like we yeah you know maybe there is something to to the layout of the device and what it can do for the extra price but depends on the teachers able to you know create a curriculum on it or they're all stuck in this curriculum in some schools where they have to get the testing done and they don't have time to have you spend all this time creating and going really outside the box what I find students I mean because I I hang out with a lot of grade school students because I there's a ton of kids in my building and they're so creative and even if it's not an assignment they're always making stuff they're all makers now and they're all creators and they're doing they're recording their own music and GarageBand on their on their iPads they're making their own YouTube videos they're doing their own experiments that usually making slime but that's still an experiment totally you know and the ability to take an iPad like this and let's say record some video and then do some drawing over it - you know animated annotation and even adding a voiceover easily which some of these creation tools let you do I mean that's really cool and frankly then is really hard to do on a Chromebook making these multimedia projects right now yeah this stuff sounds pretty cool the more you can play with the more you more you can just you know experiment right yeah I mean you know the tools are definitely here I think we we've seen evidence of that the last thing they were finishing up talking about sort of creating these interactive narrative experiences explaining you know science and you know sort of allowing students to express themselves in the way that you know is something that other students could possibly relate to what they're everyone can create initiative it sounds pretty cool they're previewing it today it says that seems like an got a bunch of stuff in it called everyone can create yeah right yeah so I kind of dig that too and it looks like it'll allow people to sort of create like little you know president okay here's one we missed the shoebox diorama because that that's a picture they have on screen and there's a student taking a photo of the shoebox diorama with their iPad so we had the solar system the dissected frog my shoebox dive I never understood the diorama like what better way to explain your comprehension by getting a little depth of field by like building a small representation of what you just learned I don't it's just to make the parents go crazy having to buy materials oh I mean like only one person in the history of the world benefited from diorama and that's Wes Anderson and cardboard box companies that's the glue stick people you're the pocket a big glue stick they have 300 teachers from across the country and around the world with us using using this okay everyone can create a flute so that's okay opening up now that that means that means in the fall the teachers will be ready to start actually beginning using it with this preview now they're playing a video of what it's like to be a teacher from the perspective of a child I'm sure that's all kinds of adorable yeah dan they do they do no that's the one shame about not having a live stream of this event is Apple does these nice promotional videos that they usually open with and close with yeah and the cool one they give you a different perspective don't have all the stuff on line I think they're gonna we're gonna have Clips pretty soon and they're all Apple is gonna post the entire event front to back if you want to sit there and watch the hour-long thing and I'm sure we'll have the link up for where you can watch that and you're right there looks like they are wrapping up Tim Cook is now back on stage will there be it one more thing I don't think so yeah everyone in attendance has homework everyone's getting a sack lunch yeah scratch-and-sniff Apple Snickers I'd be okay with that yeah apple a day everyone yeah yeah well any one more things we're gonna keep an eye on keeping an eye on all the livestream blogs live blogs but well I guess we're not getting our less expensive MacBook Air right or more education of the MacBook Air which is a shame but you know there's still there's still two minutes left so maybe though maybe they'll whip it out Scott's analysis in the live chat is that Apple's like his big thing was that how Apple is expanding pencils support and betting that it's gonna help with creative schoolwork and that new iPad looks like it's the best one for the price like we said we know that you can get a regular iPad that works with Apple pencil there's almost no reason to get an iPad pro they're not gonna they're gonna sell the one that's already 2017 cheap or there's gonna get rid of it I think that's this just replaces that yes essentially that's not gonna be adding pencils it's not like there's gonna be like yeah yeah this it's crazy you're right uh Scott brought up a good point the iPad pro debuted late in 2015 and it's only until now that pencil is getting into more iPads and and having other iPad support the platform which is I mean the pro it's bigger screens it has I think it has more powerful processor graphics it's got the ability to display more frames it's got a higher shrade screen those are really the main differences and of course the accessories that Apple makes that work with it are very nice like the super fancy keyboard and stuff what does Scott mean by this doesn't it those new iPad have a smart connector not sure Wow might be like a dongle so that that's you know people have complained that the the iPad pros were frankly not and what people are still buying the regular iPad it was tough to make a compelling case to get the iPad pro especially because you still couldn't get like full like real photoshop on it or right or real it was straight even though they've been greatly improved and do a lot of extra stuff now this was almost in a way if I may make a controversial prediction this is basically throwing the iPad pro into the bus you know that kind of countable under the school bus oh whoa came to me whoa you know you're totally right like now if you're choosing between that 10 inch 10 and a half and half Pro 9.7 I mean the main thing I mean higher resolution definitely cool high refresh rate definitely cool right is it worth you know 600 bucks or more maybe that's what wEDC will hear I don't know I usually it's software related but maybe they'll have like something they have a lot of hardware last year they had like every Matt got refresh at WWDC last year will be will be logitech cray not work with the iPad pro I want to say yes random questions here so Scott says that the iPad is really the lower-priced model that should have always been there but what this means for the rest of the landscape in terms of price and storage configurations that's still something we don't know well apples have this problem where they used to have a very compact product line and everyone said that's the way you do it you don't make 500 different models do you know the consumer and the the low end of the high end that this side some of that size and you have like this quadrant four types of things for computers that worked for the iPad it was the iPad but then you had the air and you had the mini then you have the pro then you're the second size of the pro then you have the ten point five inch pro will they will they read our the spigot of iPad products and when the Apple store goes back up here's my thousand dollar question will the iPad Mini still be there hmm or will it be quietly escorted off school grounds is that because it's more expensive or it's not more expensive it's like the same price it's it's like this guy they basically stopped updating it and just kept it up there as a legacy product mm-hmm but the focus screen is so close to that mini screen now it's tough to judge Narada yeah so those little tablets are the ones that have really lost out not just from Apple from other people that's why nobody makes fancy android tablets anymore because the big screen phones have taken that place on the low end and the touchscreen laptops and two ones at hybrids have taken that place on the high end right shouldn't essentially replaced you know what they were really the sort of void they were filling so everyone keep an eye on the lower the price I don't know they ever were they ever oh I like to prices go down over time the original MacBook Air from ten years this January was the I believe the 10th anniversary of the MacBook Air and if I want to see a great vintage seen that video go look up my video of that but that was originally I think like 1699 for the first version of this and now it's $9.99 so that's a product that has that has come way down in price over the years not something you can always say about about Apple products Oh Apple stores back up iPad Mini 4 I still see it although I don't see the new iPad on here let me see iPad Mini 4 still there I'm gonna go to buy so maybe when they finish that refresh the Mini 4 may be gone or maybe not so one of Scott's big wishes and dreams making that I've had more laptop like did not come true today this was not the day I just don't know if he's ever gonna get that yeah unless you have a big like laptop base that you just collect the but so what's the hands-on session that press is going to so what imagine you know they'll be playing around with some of the educational tools trying the pencil on the iPad crayon right begin to the crayon I'm team crayon your team Korea if the ground can do everything the pencil can do I'm on board mm-hmm but I'm more curious to see if it sort of recreates that pencil feel that you were or how is it charged yeah they like have a separate thing for that have anything at the bottom the other one did so Tim Cook is now back on stage he seems like he is closing it out lots of thinking teachers there's a public event at an Apple store nearby where people can try out the everybody can create apps yeah I got imagine like that will be kind of the focus because of the you know it doesn't seem like there's a lot of restriction on that where you would need to like assume the role of a teacher we're like the everyone can create its seems like a more of like a sandbox yeah yeah playground for anyone to just mess around and now they're going to the demo room so that's it thank you for tuber there you go a live narrated Apple event which may be more fun than than just watching these guys do their demos on stage when you're really only just watching for the demo fails yeah exactly so hopefully we're gonna get to talk to someone out there very soon want to see how that shakes out but I think you know there's a lot this kind of extrapolate and take away from from the event I mean D do you guys think they've done or at least made enough of a compelling argument I know we kind of like beat that to death during the actual event as it was going on but do you think the argument was made that this is the sort of platform that needs to be in classrooms if your if your school district can't afford it that's that that's important that that software looks super cool adding pencils reporters often same old iPad but that's ok but how do you make case that that you should take your limited education dollars and spend it on on this ecosystem rather than something like the chrome ecosystem or in some districts windows ecosystem and how do you convince a school district to switch horses if they're already using something else and that's the thing and that's one you know major components of this entire issue I wasn't even mentioned I mean I don't know again like I said we're not sort of like these these experts that can comment on a sensitive topic like that but that is the elephant in the room it's real it's real talk yeah you know I mean of course you're a high-end product great for our utopian society and and that's what they always build war it's always been magical just works beautiful life is better with our products because you're in that walled garden where your phone and your tablet and your computer all operate off the same system and you can only accept on the computer you can only install pre-approved apps and and everything you know message so nicely together which is great but it also limits a lot of what I think students and kids are interested in which is basically like hacking around with stuff and matching it and finding new ways to use it and basically breaking the rules as they use these devices yeah well I mean that's actually what what is the selling point right like hey you know we're not gonna lower our price but just look at how much different a lesson can be if you really get to tinker and just create and draw and make these multimedia projects so if your school right has that budget you'll go oh man you know like like you can really have an immersive experience more and yes there are schools that will be able to do this and is it Sarah dangling is that what they're doing yeah I think so I think we are a unique panel to talk about this since we all have young children some of whom are already in school so so if there's anybody who's thinking about these issues I'm worried about them it's probably us I think the kids are so bombarded with high-tech high-touch high design interactive experiences all day long whether it's on their tablets at home or video game consoles or augmented reality on the phones or just pokemons go on the phones you have to somehow match that level of excitement in school right from what I've seen there's still very analog in especially public schools so so you need tools like this to keep the kids engaged and help them keep up yeah just the heads up the store is live oh let's see what's there yeah we can pull up maybe at Bridget's screen ok iPad new iPad Mini 4 still there yep but there is the new when I see it says new indicator under the iPad and there it is so you're you're going from what it was before still 399 ok regular iPad new iPad so that's two years in a row of small upgrade that don't really change the look and feel or were now supports Apple pencil great ok let's see silver 32 gigs 329 128 gigs 429 that's crazy now let's look at the accessories what's in the box ok lightning cable USB man now what's happening by that 128 oh that's and there's nothing in between yeah I mean I the one to get for the schools is obviously the 329 but it just I don't know Apple pencil is still $99 I wonder if there's an education price that had many for be more expensive what's their reasoning there it's just it's an old legacy product and that's just what it was and what it will continue to be but I don't think a lot of people are buying that right but I mean is there something inside that makes it a more powerful iPad like I feel like it's an older design and yeah I don't know we all expected it to be frankly gone by this point or at least I guess they don't want to lower the price because they want to make this this right the whole talking point today was that this is the cheaper they don't really sunset old products in a big way they just kind of quietly like you just go to the eyes go to the website one day and the 11 inch MacBook Airs is gone right and you're like what happened to that what do you mean there was never an 11 inch MacBook Air because of me it goes in the memory hole mm-hmm yeah if you you know this definitely makes the case for staying within the standard iPad universe right because now that ten point five inch iPad pro upgrade it's gonna bring you up to six forty nine at the least so you know which is why the clouds were just so because you're probably getting a 32 gig version where and most iOS apps are pretty light in terms of memory which is great but if you download a couple of videos on there you're eating up a lot of that space or if you create a lot of video on it you're gonna eat up a lot of space you're gonna need that 200 gigs of iCloud space to to store that for sure so still $99 for the pencil $49 for the logitech crayon which I don't see any material about yet I just went to logitech's website to look for it but I don't see it yet I don't have it in here no I didn't see it on the Apple Store yet but I didn't do like a deep dive search so again if you want to be a part of the conversation before we hopefully get someone in through Skype over the internet if you'd like to reach out to us on Twitter please do using the hashtag seen at live tell us what you think about the announcements that were just disclosed about what this new iPad is going to look like and what it means for the educational system Josh Clark on Twitter made a good point that that iPad discount is now $30 actually okay it's not the same as the $20 before because obviously 329 goes to 99 um so hey there you go but you could get that iPad last Christmas from about Thanksgiving on different stores at different times for even less than that mm-hmm so that's not even that great at price and frankly the 329 won some stores just regularly have for $2.99 it's it's it's it's rare that you see Apple discounts but there were some Apple products big-box stores just generally have a little bit off on mmm-hmm yeah so it'll be interesting to see the the response I mean you know someone and maybe you know someone is working on that piece that sort of analyzes what the you know the budgetary constraints of introducing something like this mean to real-world school districts I would love to read a story about that so you know perhaps you know there's a little bit of digging that will get done once the dust sort of settles here Lexi is on the line with us what's going on in a room surrounded with a bunch of different apps on I've had I'm literally just walking guys so I'm still getting acquainted with it myself sir maybe you can come with me for trying and see what we can find here so let's take base I got ya apples doing it on a school normally the school just trying to see state using Apple pencil to draw on the iPad sorry guys just coming in to look at this footage right here so that's the new iPod and using a pencil support for that doing a little bit of coloring in okay let's see what else we can find signals are dropping in a little bit sorry bear with me okay let's walk over here there's some musical mutation and Composition that they are we doing with the iPads here some customization templates we can do things like garage back yes is this the keys is this the school's band room like look where are you yeah sorry it feels like a bad it's got a couple of computer up top it's about a lot of you know musical iconography on the walls here you can see like a bunch of bands up there screen printed there's something that says this Chicago music exchange being inspired so this very much looks like a music room there isn't a space fine just walked in the room as well they have a couple of costumes here I'm not sure what's going on here guys what's going on here down here this is a Creative Writing Center where students are tasked with oh that's why you're dressed up as Romeo we're taking and quickly adding professional features such as picture and picture news authentic-looking news titles and even petal eggs to create that dynamic effect whenever analog pretty cool yeah that's pretty cool that's like you can see like a lot of questioning here some period costumes just kind of cool kind of close it's a little photo booth happening up here too as you can see don't quite know what's going on but that you think I've been told they're using pages and the presenter March so oh I see they're using it as a teleprompter so they're reading lines to each other in costume very nice and dude I like that that's cool so then the idea is that students are going to be making films using pages and I'm really so that's what this ring is all about it's very much about media and creating content over here you can see some of the projects created on iPad that's something that they wanted to show us here all right so this is the this is the room there are a bunch of other rooms but I'm not sure if I can actually go into any of the other ones you know because we've all being given you this kind of class schedule that was emailed to us so mine actions everyone hope for so dude's got Sian I know a bunch of us who brought up in two different rooms everyone else here like Shara and Connie have got into different rooms all right this is just a little bit about that but it's a long walk between rooms this is like long school corridor it's a long way so I don't know if you want a couple of minute as I walk and try and get into another room or not but I knew some rings they've definitely told us that we can't film inside so I think if I walk in with the point might be you know there might be a little bit suspicious so it shows was tensions in other rooms she feels like she's in a math class because there's a lot of you know they've got a lot of maps going on a little bit of geometry probably in there too definitely feels like I'm back at school I'm kind of getting a little bit of a you know when you have like those weird school dreams about there's a test today you guys it doesn't look all that different from the other nine point seven inch but let's have a look right here is is taking taking a little bit of a hands-on with it now and you know what we'd like to see if you can find it we'd like to see the logitech crayon if anybody has that there I I would love to find that myself as well and I don't know if this in his rooms but you can see that's the existing Apple pencil and the new iPod asked Scott if the pencil feels the same way it does on the iPad pro that was something I just got shooting his own video while he's on this video for us Wow multitasking right there he's actually recording a video right now you should distract it get up behind them he goes back to you while he's doing that yeah just see Nate well it's also its filming environment run about cameraman filming so I don't want to interrupt each other so we're filming someone else filming Scott go because other videos of the eyes we're our own worst enemy is what's happening I know my conception but usually the pencil very very similar to the previous version I'm just gonna try and try and see if I can get my hands on yeah we're interested to hear what the feel of the pencil on the iPad screen versus the I had pro screen the pencil on the pro had a great realistic graphite on paper drag that really felt like you were really writing and I'm interested to hear what it feels like on the regular non Pro iPad yeah absolutely I think that's the big question as well so I want to see if the responsiveness is there I want to see you know if all of the tracking is started there too we didn't see any in the announcement any kind of they sort of just touched on the pencil really quickly just to talk me about how it is compatible with the new iPad but just talking about low latency things like that but there wasn't really a big section on it there wasn't very kind of like with bang here we go iPad itself though I noticed that when they did their actual announcement it was it was just pretty much a video they came back and they quickly touched on specs but overall this much of it has been really really focused on the teacher experience the student experience as well which is definitely kind of a little different to how we've seen other Apple events in the past you know we haven't talked much about the product so I'd say probably took up about five minutes overall there's a bit out of time I think the rest of the time was talking about you asked ways that students and teachers are going to be using the iPad and Apple software in the classroom and a little bit about how you know some of these cases and studies from teachers around the world as well still waiting on that Apple pencil guys so let's you get it lexy for you was there something that really kind of like stood out for you that you know we're really looking to kind of get your hands on maybe something that or something you're seeing there that maybe they didn't touch on during the during the presentation yeah the thing that I really enjoyed from the presentation I think the one that's got a lot of reaction from the crowd as well was talking about augmented reality you know obviously a our kid is a huge push from Apple we've done a platform and they they did make that is actually really interesting demo was only the video unfortunately it wasn't actually live on stage but they did it school dissection of a frog on an iPad like they it'll show up like that all that it was just it was crazy that the crowd gasps you know people were kind of like really shocked that they were showing the frog dissection yeah it was actually really cool to watch like you weren't actually you're going to have to they were talked about like reasons why you want to do that on your iPad versus actually like you know in real life sure that was kind of cool I wish they'd start a little bit Oh actually I want it straight actually helium tablet tablet all right see if we can actually this is the pencil I'm trying to get in a little bit while they're filming I don't know if this is going to work guys yeah can we show us some of I grabbed annotate using the pencil absolutely I'll select the new tuna the keynote app it was upgraded today and select photosynthesis that's a lesson we're doing and we believe that observational drawing within a science class is crucial for students learning so our students have already done some research on photosystem site and they might normally select they might normally do it on the Internet now you can actually draw what they all right let's see if I can also reach into this I'm gonna draw some rates in okay phase don't really look like routes guys I don't know if you can see what I'm actually doing this little air it's a little bit about didn't even know that you're doing this you're not only reading the trawling you're also created an animation and so that students can animate their work and done they can animate their work and present it to the students so hey so what the enemy all right so I'm actually now going to animate the little roots that I drew dude the enemy enemy all right I got it that's what building on the web yep and then lines wrong and we're gonna hit options and just slow it down a little bit take it over to about five seconds or more so student to do a voiceover or put in text and talk about photosynthesis what's going on so that was my little animation with the Apple pencil okay I definitely noticed a difference using the screen versus the iPad bird I'm Steven I know I wasn't fully resting on it but it definitely did have a little bit different tactile response I need to obviously have some more time with it to kind of give you an idea of what the real differences are but yeah even in my like very limited interaction just there it did feel different they didn't feel as you respond trium but that was just in this in this app so I would definitely want to do a little bit more if there is another area that's really sketchy something like that I want to have a bit more of a place wanted not just like doing annotations sure you could see other than arthritis that I was like having a little bit of a trouble kind of selecting that option yeah like the annotation in yes sorry it could be used era hard Alec would be paradise because I do not want that pass to me but you know even if this isn't that little limited interactions like that I had to go back and do it again you know it might be some indication but again I want to make sure that I have this in a controlled environment to be able to it's crazy in the demo rooms as you know like everyone's kind of jostling composition they kind of only want to show you you know the demos that they're running rather than you necessarily kind of going oh yeah let's just play around with this totally completely myself yeah and you have some good time in it but I do think that we will be getting access to one shortly so stay tuned possibly the other date somewhere impressions on that set all right Lexi thank you so much for for calling us we really appreciate you getting in touch and showing us that live demo that was awesome great thanks so much guys enjoy the rest and start all right thank you so much to Lexie for calling in we've got some interaction on Twitter that rule maybe get two before we say goodbye what are you saying okay well a lot of people are chiming in on their thoughts after after this whole presentation we got Ben Hill saying his Pistons Apple supporting pencil in their productivity suite will help education educators save significant money because they're avoiding that 365 office subscription cost there are free you can use the free cloud-based version of Office or frankly Google Docs they show use I know a lot of schools do use Google Docs and Google Drive for chair a lot of negativity to Mike saying that unless Apple gives away this hall for free there's no way it's gonna make a dent because they so he was P was pretty like when I got Declan Flynn didn't live up to the hype to him pretty much the same as before if you couldn't have a for iPad yesterday you can't afford them tomorrow another one saying that for homeschoolers pretty interesting that you know obviously because I don't know it's it's always that's a whole different you know conversation yeah Gabriel which wonder what the iPad for many it's coming with more built-in memory 164 gigs that's why it's gonna be more expensive and Stephane also jumped in and said that to that because the new iPad is 128 gigabytes it's four hundred and twenty nine dollars so yeah like it's about the more more onboard storage there mark was saying I plan to get a new iPad but for my kids Chicago Public Schools is a Google Apps District which is where their eye and also switching costs is gonna be prohibitive so as impressed as you can be with like man the dream is awesome to have kids be that creative because that's what you always want sometimes money does come to the end of it and the folks like Zachary were you know giving it just wash out you got it if I catch annotate tweet I'm gonna give a plug to our old friend Johanna Stern who tweeted a very good point she said is it just me or did today's Apple event make you just want a MacBook with a touchscreen more than ever yeah maybe a little bit I mean you know again like that seems to be there are a few configurations like Scott's sort of like you know dream hybrid we're getting one of these Mac books to support touchscreens where you know we had a clip-on device last year that we tested where you plug it into the USB port on a MacBook Air and you put this little bar right at the bottom of the screen it shoots up a little light field and you break it with your fingers like I did look up some prices okay well while we were talking to to Lexi and you can go to Best Buy right now and get the iPad Mini 4 with a hundred twenty eight gigs of storage for $2.99 so that's why often is one of the only suppose that has actual everyday discounts on Apple products and if you go to B&H right now they've got the last year's the 2017 9.7 inch iPad 32 gigs the one that was 329 until today when fer was replaced by the new 329 they're doing it for 289 and I know for a while support your sure but if they get the new model and maybe that would be the same price yeah interested to see you know Lexi sort of gave us her initial impressions about the pencil but she didn't seem super psyched out of the gate again super early but will be interesting to see what she thinks down the road and what Scott things as they get the player I wanted to give you a feeling today yes wanted it make you think back to your own childhood people on Twitter right now we're talking about their first computers we were talking a little bit about during the show and I mean it made you have that wishful thinking of how life would be different if you could quickly create and make all these things and not just be reliant on whatever was the power point shared computer that you can do your presentation on and and so it's it's really a wonderful thought yeah how practical right like you know like we said how practical that's gonna be will sort of have to wait and see I don't think that the MacBook needs to have a touchscreen big unless you can totally take that keyboard off and we're talking about the pro again you know yeah well this has been great guys I hope I hope everyone learned a lot today I know I did thank you so much for being here where that will do it for us we appreciate you for staying around with us and tuning in for these two educational hours be sure to stay here right at CNET for all the latest video and pictures that's going to come out of this Apple event in Chicago don't forget we have a full crew on the ground reporting and filming and writing down their impressions so make sure you stick on the website so you know just what the latest is out of there Apple's gonna be posting the entire show later on today so we're gonna let you know where to find it on CNET so stick out over there and again thank you so much for joining us today we'll see you next you imagination is the key because you're using your knowledge but you know to make something that no one's made before if you're creative that other people will be inspired by you and then they'll keep pushing forward so if you you'll spread it 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