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you is your car poisoning you KO de teases a car that's greener than the Prius and Ferrari just wants to go faster this is car tech live for februari third 2012 I am Wayne Cunningham in the studio with antuan goodwin and emma chang at the board Brian Cooley is not with us today got better things to do I guess then talk about cars but what better thing is there to do than talk about cars drive cars drive cars that's true crash cars backflips and cars the things in the backseat of course well yeah okay it's a long list it is a long very long list yeah so what's this about toxic cars like that toxic cars yes there's been a new report just released by the does it healthy stuff torger I guess that's the site where it came out on and it let's see they documented actually it's the the ecology center they documented all the the toxic materials in cars you know you know cars out gasps mm-hmm that and I guess that's what they're slightly what they're dealing with here is the amount of bad stuff in your car and so that you know there's one chart here where they're actually looking at well first off let's talk about which cars scored the worst the mitsubishi outlander sport actually did apparently has the worst materials in its cabin and they're talking about things like the front seat has bromine lead antimony and mercury and they rated in parts per parts per million parts per something it might be parts per million ya ghous missing parts per million ppm armrests has fairly similar quantities of those materials and all the new mercury and armrests strangely enough shift knob as chromium steering wheel has chromium all that stuff I I guess can be bad for you so I mean is it is this just like being emitted like you leave your car parked in the Sun is like the dashboard like silently like emitting this in a chemical reaction or are they just saying don't eat it I think this stuff slowly emits overtime anything everything you know they mentioned you know the all the yep I mean some of the stuff goes for like the fire retardant materials and things like that they mentioned a polyvinyl chloride PVC brominated flame retardants those are all in there and those are all you know they're kind of supposed to stay in the the seats and the plastics and all that but in the materials but you know you can't keep that stuff down and it'll slowly sort of I mean you're sitting amongst it all right so there will be outgassing or off gassing I guess they call it and you will breathe in some of that stuff I mean they mentioned that the new car smell and what I've generally heard is that you know if you can smell it it's in your system right well that's like always the thing they tell you about like when you go into the restroom and it stinks this is just like well there's particulate matter in there I always like to tell people that when they're eating too gross them out like oh yeah there's that particulate matter which means that it's all over you at this point oh but yeah I mean so I'm trying to figure out word in it how much of this does it take for it to really be dangerous or is this just you know it is the most dangerous car still statistically insignificant is what I'm trying to figure out right now that is a good question that's what they don't really cover here you know I don't think if you jump and I've driven the mitsubishi outlander sport and i'm alive yeah a week in it maybe you know shaved off a second or two of your life sharing what i live who wants to live forever I guess the car that scored the best though the least toxic materials inside was the honda civic hmm and you've driven a lot of Honda Civics this year so yeah I think I've done every honda civic they make but it's a good thing that they're low in that because I don't really want to really want to have an issue but I guess what am I looking up here like for example the federal government allows six hundred parts per million of lead and household paint so that's what the government considers to be safe we're looking at the front seat of this Outlander it's at four hundred and fifty four parts per million so it's not if actually less dangerous than leaning against the wall sitting in this seat right and I think all of these things will come and under you know under federal regulations I mean that's why we have federal regulations on these types of materials so these are all considered safe by the government I mean there's no car not even the Mitsubishi bitsy outlander sport which has the you know the most amount of toxic materials is over the the federal limit mm-hmm so you know so it could be perfectly safe or anyway the chart that we have here sort of covers things I guess that's like a one through five scale to go from or actually it's less than that they go from point 46 which is the honda civic all the way up to the three-point 17 which is the mitsubishi outlander sport chrysler the chrysler 200 came in even with the mitsubishi outlander sport hmm the prius is the second least toxic at least the 2011 prius Pacific is greener than the previous apparently yeah your help by what is that some some amount some very small amount point five five versus point for six right yeah you're getting an a minuscule stuff there other notable cars on here we have the avail the chevy aveo five 2.89 that's that's a totally different generation than our yeah ours is probably like five a nice even 540 doesn't seven it's a 20 oz I've actually just been rubbing lid also the inside of it gives it a nice sheen on the dashboard uh yeah I don't have some interesting sort of thing going on here I I'm not really alarmist and I kinda also kind of have a mine state of pretty much everything we touch is gonna give you cancer so I don't really I don't want mopping up at like freak out about that interesting to the audi s5 2012 audi s5 only a point 74 hmm another what is it like under one as what I'm seeing here is under one means that you're good to go yeah and above what it means that you need to think about uh your health I don't know I guess don't if I guess bottom line is if you're pregnant don't buy mitsubishi outlander sport yeah maybe you know putting an infant in one of these cars yeah I don't know if that'd be really again yeah take this with some what of it you can get alarmist about it but I don't think it's too much be concerned about I'm scared to come around and I'm feeling a little panicky about this watch out those cars you have before we get any new car and we'll have to look this up on the chart see where it stands and see if we can actually minimize our time inside it I can see now where it's like a car comes in wings gonna look it up on the char and he's gonna go like I want to take the finish one yeah oh yeah I know it's a much faster a nicer car than the what the other one but it's instant death all right i'll take the crv you take the Bentley ok again worth worth a brief shortening of life span that's how I think giving it right around and event late all week yeah toyota is actually bringing a new small hybrid to the geneva auto show and that's actually in a couple weeks we're going to be there so we'll see it live then right now they've only really stole a little bit of teasing on it there there's a sketch and you got some more information about that than you and alright so they first they came out with this sort of overblown sketch so you don't really see a lot of details you vaguely tell that it has two wheels and then it's got like a really streamlined profile this is their f TBH that stands for future toyota which is all of their concepts have that prefix the b b segment and h of course hybrid so this is a vehicle that's going to be about the size of a yaris may their they're saying actually that it's going to be a little bit bigger the next day actually we got a closer look at some some really up close teaser pictures of like the headlights and the squiggly LED tail light sort of thing in a hybrid badge but they're saying that it's it's going to be less that it's going to weigh less than the Toyota AYGO which is actually even too small for our market it's going to be under 1,700 pounds so that's actually lighter than a first gen mazda miata by about 400 pounds so super light it's about the same size as a yaris like i said with more space on the inside and they're saying that it's more aerodynamically slick than the upcoming a scion fr-s or the if they fit the gt86 because it comes from the the toyota UK design or at least they're there they're the press release came from the toyota UK but the most interesting thing about this is that they're saying that they're building this concept using a commonplace economically viable like materials and techniques so it's not like they're you know doing some crazy you know like I guess the it probably won't be built using the same sort of fusing metal 222 composites that they were using in the LFA ittle bit it's designed to be able to build beep actually built cheaply hmm so I think this is interesting because it is it it's a goofy-looking concept I'm sure it's going to be but it's interesting because it kind of also because they're they're trying to figure out ways to make economically viable to produce its we're going to see that trickle down into the next generation of toyota vehicles we're think we're going to start seeing their their their our next generations of hybrids and even their next generation of regular internal combustion vehicles just getting lighter overall and it seems like that's the easiest way to to make a car more efficient right so this is strictly a concept and it will be will be concept when we see it because i was interested that you mentioned it's a b-segment car and that's about the same size as the toyota prius c which is coming out soon right so yeah it would seem to be a strange and like a competitor to that but if its concept then it's just more the maybe the future direction of the prius c right i mean you think about it like how we saw the what is the fth something which ever would the the FG concept that ended up becoming the LFA came out like seven years ago oh yeah so it's i think that it's kind of more of a i think what they're trying to showcase is the lightweight construction and it's basically you know a really neat sort of way to get people looking at it but then also to kind of Hammer in that PR message of going like we're trying to figure out how to make things light and cheap i guess it kind of goes along with you know they're investing money into developing cheaper carbon fiber and waste build carbon fiber some of the auto autumn other automakers are doing that but so I guess until the cost of carbon fiber comes down to a point that you can put it on like an economy car I think they're I think they're probably just going to start using plastics for a lot more thing plastics yeah so they said hybrid but they didn't specify anything about the powertrain it makes it downsized full hybrid car train so it'll yeah probably be the one that's in the prius c right well the Yaris hybrid on 1.4 1.6 with you know the standard toyota electric synergy system connected to it may be going to i mean they haven't kind of lithium-ion batteries yet not for their standard system so i mean this if they're trying to keep weight down that'd be a good way to go that's true that is true and that it seems to be the trend among automakers in trying to get more efficient cars like this is decreasing the weight and there's so much to be gained in with that so you automatically fix everything that's wrong with a car it becomes lighter on its toes it breaks it flows down better accelerates better it's more efficient you you kind of immediately touch every dynamic of the vehicles on the road demeanor by basically shaving off those pounds yeah so we're likely to probably see more lighter cars in the near future by I know they're lightning them up I think the yeah a couple of cars we've seen recently have been lighter than we would expect even so yeah it's good trend in the field of automotive infotainment electronics that's something we obviously put a lot of attention on here it's cnet car tech we're seeing some reports that there's a lot of projection for growth in this area one stat I've heard along or a while back some Institute last year said that motor said that automotive is actually the third fastest growing mobile platform for electronics we're getting some new studies that just came out today IHS which used to be called I supply IHS is a market research firm they do a lot of stuff in automotive electronics they did a study that shows I mean this doesn't sound but tackle early fast-growing but they said that they're just so steady growth in automotive electronics and this is going into you know factory installed dashboard systems this kind of thing and these numbers mean that you know if you're in this business it's a good place to be right I mean eventually there there's a show projections all the way up to 20 16 by then Carl to be driving themselves so you're going to need something to keep you busy what's right in the world's your oyster at that point is for it's like what kind of junk you can toss into the dashboard yeah they're talking about increase in production or increase in electronics in money in this field from four point seven two six point four percent ranging from so they're seeing average maybe five better than five percent growth by 2016 from now right so that's a nice steady growth and they're talking about it you know currently it's about surge 230 3.5 billion this year and be a 41-point forty 1.2 billion market by 2016 so a lot of lots of money in that field and that that just relates to all the new electronics were going to see in cars and certainly the chip makers are trying to cash in on this you know I've talked to the people and NVIDIA a lot in Intel freescale they're all they've got chips to sell into this market and then there's all the stuff that you actually see in touch like the touch screens and all that and along with us this is interesting too similarly and contributing to this automotive entertainment statistic back up camera sales ours are expected to double in from 2011 to what are we talking about 2014 think oh no actually there when 245 everything uh what is it about 2015 they're going to be basically pumping out about eight hundred and eight eight hundred eighty thousand units by then though that and then you know once you start getting you know path path let me pass that it just continues to grow and I think I kind of have a bit of an understanding of why why is the case and the problem is that you can't see out of the back cars anymore I mean just if you look at the way the design goes and I talked to it's funny because whenever i mentioned to people casually like you know in a bar that like oh I review cars like one of the questions that always comes up when I start talking to two older friends is why can't you see out of cars anymore they're always just like you know why the cars have these really high selena the window sills have risen the roof lines have dropped the the rear quarter windows behind the cpanel have all but disappeared from cars and it's just you're getting you're getting to a point where when you get in a car like like the toyota yaris that we have in now which is basically all greenhouse its just oh I can see around and it's a bit amazing yeah it was surprising in that car you can actually they have high windows hi were young yeah and it's just you where the windows are getting even more more and more gun-sling I just think it's because they as the the manufacturing process gives you know a little bit more sophisticated every year automakers can actually do these things that that you used to only kind of see you know chop tops that were customs or you know that when you didn't have the option to even add a backup camera option well some of it is safety too as far as raising the belt line goes putting stronger reinforcement side reinforcement indoors and making the whole structure stronger to bri's a side-impact right front impact and and the great test is at any car these days any new car try up try opening the window and putting your elbow over the window not possible no they're kind of like up like this yeah third back in the day you could like I'd feed people with their whole arm just hanging out yeah just really weird pick up the aluminum cans on the side of the road as you drive along yeah yeah but I mean I think maybe it's the conspiracy theorist in me but i think that there's a little bit of uh hey you know we've got it eleven hundred dollar back up camera option and you can't really see out of the back of our cars that's alexa feature just give us the 1100 bucks I think they're kind of building in a little bit of that blind spot to fill blind spot detection systems and rear view cameras yeah part of the test drive is to actually back into a space or it's just not as much of a design imperative because you can use the technology of handicap in the designing when you went before a rear view camera or radar cruise control or you know the the sonar blind spot detection was even an option when you designed a car it had to you had to be able to see out of it because there's no other way but now it's just like Oh we'll fix it in post will just add a backup camera option and we'll be good to go it doesn't matter you can't see anything in this area we can fix that with tech I like that fix it in post yeah and designers can say we don't need a huge back window and that range rover evoque we had in recently that had a very small rear window and good thing that had a backup camera it's funny when lots of times when I didn't drive in somebody around and a lot of people don't get in the newest cars and I start parking in the city and they see that the backup camera image come up on the center dash and they're just like whoa that's so cool you know and it's and I'm used to it I see this a lot it is that these are complaining you're like yeah but that the trajectory lines don't move it's not really that big of a deal yeah well this article on that we have on the back up camera sales doubling they mentioned that and this is something we've known is that by 2014 I guess cars are going to have to have backup cameras that's a federal mandate and that's comes from the fact that a lot of people have backed over their kids in the driveway yeah they always use the kids the option I mean that is the the kits your attention sort of thing yeah you're not so safety is I've never liked over kid in my life oh that's good that's good but they also they also mentioned not for lack of trying they mentioned some aftermarket camera kits you can also get for your existing vehicles you know anything that's pre 2014 that doesn't have a camera so you can actually add a camera and they mentioned a few companies here but one that kind of caught my eye was honey boy yo B 0 y 0 which apparently is going to offer a HD backup camera yep so I mean cuz you need that right got a wide screen and ram ten hundred giving you a 1080 lines of resolution into your tiny backup camera screen on your dashboard so you can see the look of fear and like yes you're packing in nice detail yeah I think what's interesting the things that you want in a backup camera are well I mean you want good night vision because sometimes the the the reverse lights on your car aren't very good so the best backup cameras will offer a really good night vision I want them to be not easily stealable and sometimes it's as simple as just using the right bolts when you're you know couldn't you know attaching it to your license plate frame is how most aftermarket cameras are added and then if at all possible and I'm starting to see more of this is in addition to the backup camera which it already usually has a really wide angle that allows you to kind of even see a little bit into the blind spot for the car when you're backing up which is good when you're kind of turning into a spot but if you can get something that has like proximity detection usually that involves drilling four holes in your bumper and putting sensors down there I think Alpine has a kit that does that but that's like an extra layer of protection just to let you know how far away from something you are because sometimes when you get that really wide fisheyes difficult to judge distance interesting thing about most backup cameras is the distance if a bit logarithmic so what looks like an inch away from the bottom of the screen is you know about six inches the next inch up covers about two feet the next inch up sometimes covers even more feet so it's difficult to gauge distance again you'll find that you approached via things a lot more quickly than you would if you were just looking directly out of the window that's why it's good to have those distant its distance lines if someone's overlaid on those things I was thinking about this you know mandate on all cars and there's some cars I don't think really need backup cameras I mean certainly trucks and big sedans and things like that sure but you know my own car is it's a small you know BMW z3 I think you know back of camera that is almost ridiculous guys know because i'm looking at a tire height behind me tuesday night i was sitting in a car parked on the side of the road i was waiting to go into a bar like the band didn't start paying playing till 9i got there like 845 so i'm sitting in the car listening to the radio and this dude pulls up in a miata Mazda Miata first generation Tiny's car in the world and he still like plenty of space in the spot still does the bumper chick like dude like he could engage how much space is behind his card I'm just like it doesn't really matter what kind of car you're in there's always gonna be someone who's just not comfortable with like gauging distance and the cats can help those people that's true that's true i mean what i found in my car is i usually underestimate how much space i have so if i'm backing up i'm like oh is there still enough space back there then i get out of the way after i partly i get out of the car there's like five feet between me and the what's behind me better safe than sorry moving on to this is a story you picked up this this this week right most powerful Ferrari ever tell us about it so the Ferrari 599 skin little bit long in the tooth due for replacement and so Ferraris actually came out with a teaser video kind of showcasing the car that's going to replace it I think they'd actually be taken the wraps off of this car on the twenty-ninth the rumors are stating that his car is going to be called the Ferrari F 620 GT it's going to have a you know v12 engine up front end of the hood rear-wheel drive kind of the same configuration of as the Ferrari 599 but what's interesting about this car is that Ferraris claiming that it is the most powerful Ferrari ever right now if you're talking about production cars I think that title belongs to the Ferrari FF shooting brake which is putting out like 660 thumb on horsepower you could count the Ferrari 599 GTO which puts out 661 horsepower I'm pretty sure they're not counting the 599 xx which puts out 720 horsepower because that's like a extremely limited race variant that strictly track on that card not a road-going car we're guessing about 660 horsepower from the v12 that they're going to be bringing out sometime soon I'm pretty sure looking at the profile that is just it's going to be heavily based on the the Ferrari FF maybe with more power definitely without that Ferrari like for fr whatever there-there all-wheel drive system is called and that's as simple as chopping the front transmission off of that the interesting thing about the Ferrari FF is got to gearboxes one in the back of the engine that has like seven or eight even one at the front that has two speeds and it only engages the front gearbox mean you need all wheel drive so if you just drop that off change the shooting break into a coupe at a couple more horsepower I think we're pretty close to what we will expect to see in this next Ferrari yeah a little profile I mean it's a pretty heavily masks are in the video and the the screenshot you grabbed here but it does look like a GT car yeah a-and which you'd expect if it's a 599 replacement it's interesting that Ferrari is going more powerful and so many cars somebody cavities are you know losing horsepower and trying to get fuel efficiency but I guess where I doesn't really care that much about that let's Ferrari so I mean how many other gonna sell a year 10 that's true and I mean it also has to live in the same world as the Aventador I wish I don't know if it complete if it directly competes against the Aventadors that i will drive mid-engine car but I mean as far as just like a halo vehicle you know between those two Italian companies that are that are pretty different in their philosophies I think it's interesting to see Ferrari kind of throwing its hat into the horsepower race there yeah so the wraps come off this on febre 29th yeah leap day so that'll be this week we'll be looking out for that one and certainly want to get as much information on it as soon as they make that available and hopefully we'll see that car in Geneva 2 seems like you know they're taking the wraps off on this week then yeah it should be it should be ready for next week it should be there should be ready for deneva I'll try to touch it is seriously doubt I'll Drive it yeah yeah yeah hard to get in those sometimes last door we have is a Porsche which has been kind of teasing working around letting us know somewhat about a small mini or a small SUV they're working on something smaller than the cayenne and they've at least released some sketches and sub like that we know they're working on it they so this week they came up with a name for they they said okay here's the name for our new car it's called the mech con okay or the Macan or the Mossad we're not getting any better M acan yeah i mean that's yeah first stop people gonna be like how do you pronounce that i'm sure that the all sorts of variations i'm sure they'll get the hang of it just like they get the hang of every other awkward name cayenne cayenne came and came into that hard boxster um this doesn't matter I mean if we within VW Group the Tuareg oh yeah pork is a tough one this car was originally sort of named Cajun they're calling occasion which I kind of liked I the case is very unfortunate well you know that Cayenne occasion cayman it all kind of made sense I thought Creole people that be and I said that that would maybe be a better name of the pan America Panamera the Panamera that's when they call it the Creole I think it should be called the Creole gonna be a better name if they want to be consistent you have you call anything it's funny cuz Porsche is they sort of insist on there um and then the press release for this car they insisted that you know every every one of their cars as a name that represents the car very well it represents its attributes and so they mentioned and but they don't have any really consistency in those names so what is the 911 doesn't have anything to do with attribute number now yeah that vet came up and they totally ignored that and then their press release but they mentioned that the Boxster describes a combination of a boxer engine and a roadster the Cayenne stands for sharpness the Cayman is snappy and agile and a Panamera is more than a grand turismo capable also winning the carrera panamericana a long-distance race so they're working from a lot of different books here yeah they're all over the place that they're naming at the end of the day though I don't really care what badges what the vet says what's interesting is is about is what this car is now I don't really have a good idea of how big we expect this car to be because in my mind I'm looking at the picture I'm thinking something the size of the evoke because that's just for a mine state is would be interesting but I mean if it bigger than that or well actually it's already confirmed that share a platform with the audi q5 so that is a kind of smaller SUV right and I think it will probably likely have the 3.2 liter v6 of that car because they've sort of gotten this whole thing we're Porsche and VW and audi or sharing a lot of their power trains at least at a certain segment so I wouldn't expect any really high ribbon 3.8 boxer engine in this car and the more I look at this the more it looks like less like a flattened cayenne and more like a stretched Panamera on really big wheels like someone just decided I want a Panamera donk and that's what they did of course with all those sketches you know the designers always put on the biggest wheels possible it's like we're gonna have 30 s on this car someone should actually just make a car that is designed around 30 inch wheels I Drive it then they could like put on their press relief biggest wheels ever in a production the world's largest Libby blah that's kind of seems like they like to do that so someone should just take advantage of that I also got to mention to makan actually means tiger in some of their language indonesian indonesian they say so that's where this car gets its attributes from i guess it's like a tiger lity gonna latika that'd be even better lity great the bushes are to me orange with black stripes about one morning black spray fulfill everything else first one just to prove a point right it might be Oh probably the least expensive Porsche ever or you know currently two in the line is yeah but moving on I think we've had said enough about the Porsche makan let's so let's go on the road in the range rover evoque one thing interesting with this car is it's got a 4 cylinder engine it's a two liter direct injection turbocharged engine that's very unwrite land rover yeah it's supposed to get good fuel economy because of that so the epa rating is 18 city and 28 highway and i've seen definitely in the mid range of their around 25 miles per gallon with a decent amount of highway driving so it'll get probably better mileage than any Range Rover Land Rover that's gone before it's probably the best range of her that's suited for the road also the sort of like low ride height very car like again that small engine I mean this car doesn't really make very many all throat free chances you do have the buttons right here for your sort of like tracks and control systems for things like snow or uneven you know sandy terrain but I mean it's not really the same as the I would think is the system that's been the bigger for example lr4 or the lr2 even and this being a ladder over to this is a luxury vehicle so we have a really good audio system near meridian it's it's definitely above average I would say it's the best I've ever heard but it's it's really good it's pretty fine detail we also have a navigation system here with one of these interfaces Land Rover and Jaguar which kind of the same company now they tended to go for these these very graphic heavy interfaces I think this is a little too complicated a little bit slow it's like you hit a button for like menu for example then it has to think for a beat and then you get to watch a nice little half a second animation of the menus rendering and it's just you really don't want that when you're driving around you just want the menu so you can get your eyes back on the road but there is a lot there also a lot of buttons throw it on around here which it could probably be a slightly better graphic design because I don't think it's the best in usability and like in Jaguars we've got this crazy little shift knob which rises up out of the center console and it's really just a dial it isn't actually a shifter because you know all cars are pretty much electronically shipped it now so I can work with that we got paddle shifters to it for the 6-speed automatic transmission one last thing I got to say that I think is interesting about this car is that the engine mentioned it's a two liter of direct injection turbo and it produces 240 horsepower and something around 270 pound-feet of torque and those figures are exactly the same as for its EcoBoost engine huh so I think it's the same engine you think yeah we haven't proven that yet but there's a good chance that Land Rover is sourcing their engine from the scar from Fort we actually think have confirmed that now that it is the EcoBoost engine report it's actually not quite the same as the one in the edge EcoBoost the edge produces 270 foot-pounds of torque the the evokes engine only does 251 pound feet although does have that 240 horsepower the year to which matches and I've out read elsewhere that this is sort of a subtly different version of the engine that's in the Focus ST you so yeah yeah it's the same technology it's the direct injection and the turbochargers basically the same engine different slightly different tuning on it though I'm not sure why they would tune or lose some of the torque on it I'm not quite sure where that would happen I could come from anywhere it diff they're measuring the power at the flywheel I mean it could be a different flywheel than used to meet up with their different transmission I could be minor difference in the length of the intake any number of things could cause you to lose you know a little bit of torque yeah now this car the Evoque has been just it's amazing like every week I get in to get a press release from Jaguar saying well we won 10 more awards for the Evoque it's the truck it's the north american truck of the year it's the i think it is the north american truck of here actually it's a you know the truck of the year all over the world and it's winning this award and that award and I don't get it yeah I mean well first starter is it's a good-looking car like I'd if I ever meet the person who designed this I will shake their hand like I I mean that's it first start I mean they do all sorts of like there's a lot of like neat touches and it just it feels like it was designed by one person supposed to a lot of cars that are just like oh oh we'll just take the lights from this car and and then or you know our other car has boomerang-shaped taillights we got to figure out a way to make that happen it's it just looks like it has a singular purpose things like the fender vents which I normally hate but if you look at them they line up so perfectly with the headlight that almost looks like the headlight goes through that sort of flared fender it just it's just cohesive design it just looks like it's you know machined from one chunk of metal now I would not argue with you i think it is a good-looking car as well well not all of our readers agree but yeah the i do you like the look of the car but i guess from the rest of it it's I'm just kind of like and what's so special well it's late over well actually yeah it is it is it I the official name I think is that 2000 well land rover range rover evoque then whatever suffixes you want to add F at exactly yeah you know it's a good-looking car and it's a nice it is a nice engine but as we've seen it's it's a Ford engine mmm I but it is good in high tech I'm just not sure does this is better than say about eq5 or something as an example uh better maybe not definitely not I mean like okay if you're talking about cabin techno yeah it's just that the system the system in the evoke is it's relatively new as I mean you're the accurate system hey uh but it just already it felt dated when it came out and so it just it still it just feels a little dated there's just like a lot of just watching you know menus load which is if not just when you're doing it on your laptop and you go to a website that's too much flash it's a in my opinion a little dangerous in the car right you can't actually turn off those animations which is good and and there really is no reason to put animations in a cart in a cabin tech interface because yeah when you're looking at it you're just looking at to find the button you need to push then you're looking back at the road then you're looking back at it to see what screen you're on now you don't want to see those animations happen or if they're happening they're not happening while you're looking at it right or they shouldn't be uh yeah it was it was fairly basic cabin text app it's good but it's not you know cutting edge and that's why I think in our estimation car technology you know car tech it was like yeah you know it's okay but it's not something blowing me away it's not and you know it's not a connected car or anything like that right but I mean would I rather be seen in audi q5 or in a range rover evoque I think I would rather be seen in the evoke hmm I just I mean it's it all comes back to the styling and I hate to keep like being that guy who's just and this is a classic case of form winning out over function for me because I mean I feel like that the all-wheel drive system the off-road chops that it may or may not have or a bit of a non-issue when you're talking about the target market for the video this vehicle but i mean its people want to be seen in a car when you're talking about like a premium vehicle premium soft roader I mean it's already kind of the vehicle that exists for its maybe because it exists I doesn't really serve a purpose and so you come down to the point where you're discussing style and it's just the idea vote it feminine and masculine at the same time I feel like you you wouldn't feel you know less manly driving this around at the same time like you know a woman wouldn't feel like she was riding around in a very she wouldn't feel like she's in a jeep wrangler yeah it's way easier to get into and out of than any other range rover that I've ever driven yeah it's way too stylish to be a macho people but I mean it doesn't it's I guess it's kind of like a you know the suits are kind of designed around a function so if you look at certain styles of suits you'll see that they're based on like riding gear so you know the original intention is that you know you ride a horse in this sort of outfit and it was designed to be practical but then over years it becomes stylish and it's kind of the same thing here where you can kind of see the you see the the land rover and range rover styling cues so it's like there's a echoing back to this sort of like yeah I can go anywhere and you know drive through the Sahara Desert and whatever in this vehicle but without sort of the the overtures yeah I think it borrows a lot from Jaguar or two which is interesting showing more that Jaguar Land Rover collusion well definitely on the interior thing was lifted yeah out of a Jaguar definitely about that drive selector for example a good example but the also i think the rear windows and this kind of remind me somewhat of the that new Jaguar XJ with the big sort of sunglasses style rear window this also has that that like you know slit sunglasses kind of thing looking in the back in that really narrow rear window interesting to this car we have the the five-door there's also a coupe version now I don't know if you can actually get that in the US the coupe version but it would be primarily less functional because getting the back seats you have to crawl over let's see it's it's more of a European thing I believe it's already kind of looking like a mini cooper from the side angle the more I look at it you take off two doors and it's I mean oh yes it starts getting into mini countryman well it's probably that that roof which looks you know kind of a cap on top of there because they have the black pillars and then the the body color roof that definitely has sort of a mini cooper look to it one thing I found two from this car and you didn't really say you experience but I think you drove it as much is that I felt it lunged a lot when you're trying to drive to be trying to keep a smooth steady pace and then you just give a little gas suddenly it's like roll it wants to like bleep forward and you're just like no I don't want to hit the car in front of me sure you do because you can ride right over it because it's a Land Rover you don't have enough ground clearance that that's true that that may be something I've seen a lot of videos online of people 14 rivers and going up my you know muddy or rocky services and it seems to do all right but it doesn't have that adaptive it doesn't have this especially can lift right you can actually get a magnetic ride suspension port which will make it corner better and handle really well if you're blasting around on roads right but that doesn't really help you in situations where you're you're off road and you need more ground clearance yeah so that won't be able to drive this on the moon which is ever I believe that you should actually be driving this on the moon yeah look I'm just expecting to see this like you know in in somebody's like the science fiction movie where they're like we're on Mars and we're driving around out in the desert would like a red filter and the range rover evoque and I believe it I think we need a third opinion here from the family man in the room a Mitch as far as toting your family run would this be a car you'd prefer to do it in no I think the back is too small mm-hmm put car seats on no no way how much makes the kids take the Seas and you known in and then the you know the state of California is thinking about making it changing it so that even if you're I've got the weight like you basically be eight years old but if you're under a certain way you have to be in a booster seat mmm that that's gonna be seriously stigmatizing 4 for 8 year olds it's gonna be really difficult for brian Tong driving his hahaha can you fit a bit I need to be in a booster they can anchor seats down in the front seat of his feet don't reach the pedals anymore well that was the 2012 range rover evoque the video and review are all online at seen at cars cars scenic ami and check it out there let's take a look at what's in the scene at garage so we've just reviewed the honda crv the jeep wrangler and the range rover evoque lot of SUVs in little off-roaders hop rotors and right now in the garage we've got the BMW 328i 2012 version with four cylinder and the new toyota yaris it's a car it's a cup just like you have to say that just say your identity this has been car tech live cnet karthik live for februari 23rd i'm wayne cutting am with antuan goodwin in the studio much Tang of the board you can find us online you can click a look at our show notes and some of these stories if you want to do a little more further reading if you didn't quite get the whole gist of it from what we've just been 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