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hello we are back you are watching cnet's live coverage from CES 2016 I'm Sheamus burn the editor down at cnet Australia now health tech is absolutely one of the big trends at CES and there are a lot of products on show they can help you live a healthier life not just your standard fitness trackers but also some stuff that's going to a lot more detail and we have a few folks here from three companies on our scene that stage we're going to share a little bit about what they're working on so please make welcome mark peluso CEO of cardio we abducted joe anderson clinical science at level and zach bombs to the CTO and co-founder at allit thank you cheers now I think we'll have a bit of a look at each of you in turn so you can kind of do your initial d round people get a sense of what's going on with each of you I think your market will start with you I think kardia seems like they have a really complete package but we're talking about very sort of detailed health analytics that go a long way beyond some of the stuff that people might just be wearing on their wrist at the moment yeah I mean one way to describe what queria does is we make medical devices that don't look like a medical devices and that people actually like to use and so we focus specifically on the heart and the heart dealt and so we have three products when it's called cuarto arm it is a blood pressure monitor the second one is called party obeys and is a body weight and body analyzer and the third one is called cardio core and is a wearable ECG monitor no cardio arming for the visit on the market quarter poor will be on the market after we get left year proven later this year so when you show us their the cheap products you got in front of us here this is a quarter on it's a believe it or not a blood pressure monitor so you'll never guess it's a blood pressure monitor it's something that if you have on your desk in the office or on your coffee table in the living room people will never guess what it is and when is it time to use it you simply open it like so and it goes on your upper arm which is what the doctor likes for you to take a measurement there you go simple as that and we have app for iphone android and kindle and all you have to do you get a very large start button and you press the button and it starts the measurement after a few seconds so the street at how squeeze anything yeah is doing a measurement right now now ideally you're not supposed to talk throughout the measurement we focus really on creating features that makes it easy and convenient for everybody to measure the blood pressure kind of here doing its thing they're just from here yeah so how long does a typical measurement take with this sort of a device it's about 40 seconds 55 seconds see with me talking with you really have to make a miracle what you get is something that looks like this you see the volume that around the other way maybe in might be able to get a good shot okay so you can see on a table whether your measurement is online is healthy or not and as a number of features like friends and family so for example if my father is connected to me I can see every measurement he takes so from far away I can keep an eye on him and make sure that is measuring is blood pressure as often as it should cool and let's have a quick look at the base as well animals Olivia but the other guys show what's sure they've brought it this is the newest thing in your range right yes this is this a came on the market only a few months ago this is quite a base so as a nice design makes it look like it's floating on on the floor that makes it to the ball it's a scary you don't have to hide inside the closet or behind the buff up and as a the two ways to interact so like any other scale it will display your way number and as well as you are fat and body composition so muscle water and bone mass but also in smart feedback mode will give you feedback with smiles so depending on whether you are on on target or not with your weight it will give a different smile and will also vibrate under your 50 differently so that eliminate the judgment moment in the morning when you walk into the bathroom and I have people focus more on on what they are doing with their lifestyle whether they are progressing towards their weight goals or not yeah cool so yeah joe I it'll be great you've got to cut a whole different thing what most people might be used to it when we think about health tracking because it's actually taking a breath sample to analyze something completely unexpected that's true what we what we have though really is a way to change the conversation about weight and weight loss instead of looking at the scale which is typically used for weight loss looking at fat water bone mass of muscle mass we want to focus in on looking at fat metabolism how much fatter you burning the idea is if the scale is not moving is it because you're not losing fat or is it simply because you're building up more muscle and increasing water weight so the way we do that is we take a breath and in your breath you have a chemical called acetone and acetone increases with increasing fat burn or fat metabolism the more fat you're burning the more acetone you're producing the more it shows up in your breath so the great thing about this as well as there's a bunch of clinical science that's been done over the last 20 to 30 years that relates how much acetone is correlated with the amount of fat you burn per day per week so I asked that's like nail polish remover right that's certified you get you get that a lot certainly yeah but your breath won't actually smell like that it's yeah this can smell that on your break right so this is going to detect acetone at parts per million levels very very low levels we all have about one part per million on our breath in terms of acetone as you elevate you get up to two parts per million and higher so how many times a day would are you kind of need to be using this this particular product we are recommending once a day maybe twice a day because it takes about three to seven days this is the clinical science to increase your fat metabolism to change your fat burn however the sad thing is the opposite is true the opposite is greater if you come off fat metabolism maybe have a lot of beer you go out with your friends it can be 24 to 36 hours that you come down so it takes it takes the course of days to kind of elevate yeah right cool so and I can essentially yeah I'll do it quick quick demonstration but here's the level device it has a breath pod here that you that you blow into what you do is you take a deeper breath you hold it for about five seconds you exhale into the pot for about five seconds and then you place it back into the level device and you close it up and I think you can see that it that it's spending here the the front should be spending and provide a value and it gives you this what we call a level score thats related to the actual concentration of acetone so here we have a three and we then have an app that shows not only your level score but if you push the number here you're also get you our parts per million but more importantly the thing we like most about it is it tells you how many pounds of fat your predicted to lose per day per week if you keep the value that your breath asked and level at that value cool yeah that's really good do you see that well we're getting some detail shortly and well yeah jump over to outlet here and talk about I guess you know we're talking a very specific niche where there's I guess very specific problems for parents but you've come up with a really clever way to to track this right yes so you know what we've done is we've taken this amazing Hospital technology called pulse oximetry night we all know that is the little red clip the little little excuse me a little red light that they put on your finger at the hospital to get heart rate in oxygen what we've done it outlet is we've focused on taking this technology and miniaturizing it but more importantly making it appropriate for monitoring in the home as a parent myself money of many of our founders and the company parents we know the stress is that new parents are going through right we you come home from the hospital with this with this newborn and there's no instruction manual and you're given a list of all the things to watch for right it's just it's just it's it's it's a very very intense time in your life and so we as the founders really understood the pain that we're trying to address here and by taking this this technology and addressing that market to deliver the peace of mind that hey I just want to know is my baby okay so what we do is we as I mentioned we've taken this technology and we shrunk it down into a miniature little baby sock they slipped right right over the toes of the baby and then using this technology we using non-invasive light we're transmitting red and infrared light through the skin we can we can detect the baby's heart rate and their oxygen levels will then stream that information to the base station the base station is the primary alert unit for the parents the we've tried to simplify the design as much as possible we don't want parents over sesang so over obsessing over the numbers we want them to be able to look at the base station and know immediately if everything's okay or if baby needs attention so once that information is is sent over to the base station it's then sent up to the cloud where a parent can assess that information from their smart device again our our focus here is we want to be in the background we don't want parents over obsessing over that data we want to be in the background and we want to let them know confidently that hey we're here when it means to when it matters most but if you're not hearing from us don't be thinking of us right will lurch if something's wrong so if they if they do like to obsess and they open up that app like would they'd see like real-time data coming from there yes yes so we you know we do provide those those vital signs right there on the phone so they can see the vitals in real time we've got a lot of parents that have you know found ways to figure out when babies really sleeping hey I found if my heart if my baby's heart rate is below 110 I can put them down and they're not going to wake up again you know so so there are little ways that parents have found little little niche ways to start using the product but no the main goal here is peace of mind and letting parents know babies okay look what I think the first thing I wanted to sort of digging on in a general sense across you guys is I'm wondering if it's like really the hardware that's been you know that kind of first difficult step with this stuff or is it actually a you know a software and an analytics problem to to really create something like this that's helpful to people you know I imagine on Oak Rd with your sort of chess system you're talking about replacing a far more complicated system that would need to be attached to somebody's chest yeah is it that sort of research that has to go first into exactly where you're putting sensors and how you maintain skin contact or you know like what was that first big challenge you had to solve the way we look at it is they are part of the same thing really and so you can really do one without doing the other in fact for us there is a third element as well which is the services that we are in the cloud so also the connectivity side of the equation is very important so you really have to conceive and develop all these elements together and in parallel so that you have a solution that works for everybody how about you guys with outlet again I think I certainly one of you guys earlier about the fact that you've kind of redesigned where it's even placed on on the baby's body yes one of the challenges you know pulse oximetry is is is usually placed by someone in the medical industry that's that's skilled and they know where to place of where they're going to get the right sensor contact so one of our design challenges was how do we make a mom get this sensor in the right spot the first time and that's that's hard when you've got an infant's foot that will quadruple in size the first year so a big emphasis was on you know designing the sock designing the way that the sensor module interfaces so that we can we can ensure the parents are getting those sensors placed right now additionally being being wireless helps us right because we don't have to worry about that tether point that's that's moving those sensors around that but yeah that's that's that's one of the challenges our readers only is only as good as where that sensor is getting the reading from and so a lot of emphasis put on the design there to ensure that that the sensor placement is correct cool and enjoy with you guys obviously you talked about something that's a clinical technology over a long time but how do you try to make sure you still getting the data right but you're able to scale it into something that might you know sit in somebody's bathroom yeah beside the sink absolutely there's there's two pieces here number one was the sensor technology and getting that to a spot where you can make this into a consumer device and sell it for a price point that consumers are going to appreciate and be able to scale it the other side was really a challenge in the thought process a lot of people think when you measure this chemical in your breath it should be used for a clinical diagnostic and the great thing about the founder was he thought very differently he thought this can be used for health and wellness we can use a sort of measurement of acetone eda breath or health and wellness as opposed to just simply a very clinical tool for disease monitoring cool and now he's the other kind of big one I think is if we're talking about technologies here that really can deliver very detailed information reams and reams of data points to somebody un ultimately you want to make it useful to somebody you know the average person doesn't know how to you know go through a spreadsheet of you know their heart history or you know something else so how important is is that and again I think this scale is an interesting concept you know when did you decide actually maybe it may be just a little bit of a smiley face is all we need to do to give someone feedback from the issue that people find in taking care of themselves is actually sticking to their commitments or adherence to whatever prescription they got from the doctors and so on so creating products that they make it easier for people to to do that it's very important and so that it's something to do with design with the detailed research and the user experience user interface side and creating interfaces like smart feedback interface with a smile is exactly the kind of thing that kind of makes it makes the the prodigal lot more approachable for people and so what exactly is that feedback point when you see the smile like is this based on have you set that up somewhere else saying I want I have a target in mind or or I just want you to keep an eye on a trained in my weight like what exactly is it trying to deliver through that so in the the typical consumer journeys you decide to for example lose weight and then you will have some days that you lose weight some days that a bit weight goes a bit a bit up or you go to the gym and you work at a lock and you build up muscle mass which is actually heavier so you get leaner but your weight goes up and so all these kind of things create negative feedback for people even when they are doing well and so with the smile you and we eliminate all of that and forms people on what's working for them and so the smile is a that you get is a function of what train you're on for the last several days right and so the daily fluctuation get get out of the equation and and the scale actually recognizes for example that you have more lean mass and so even if your weight goes out you still get a smile excellent yeah and now again the whole idea of level is a simple number based on something I guess most people might even understand this when they first see it and think they might buy it but just making it really simple and that absolutely is the biggest challenge that we had for the level device was you have this number that's a concentration of a chemical that no one's ever heard of right so the messaging is absolutely critical and that really general for I think every sort of device that you're trying to take from a medical equipment side into the consumers hands is trying to get them educated relatively rapidly without making them a physician right so a lot of our messaging is simply around that to say hey look what we're really trying to help you out with is to measure fat metabolism the chemical is beside the point or whatever the metric is the physical measurement is really beside the point we're going to help you measure fat metabolism and we're going to get this done and let us tell you what that means and so when you get that level score and whether it's your lower your high you will know hey I'm doing things right and if it's if it's low if it's too or less then we will provide you some general guidelines and here's here's a second piece is once you have those general guidelines then you get to figure out about your body and I think we're all trying to some some way to do that what's going on inside our own body that's different than someone else's body or your body or my body so all those pieces so we're about to wrap up so like maybe a one quick line from each you what do you what do you think people you know when they're caring about health take now what should they try to focus on I guess rather than just numbers or whatever it might be just you know one quick line from each of you actually actionable data actionable information yeah something the user can understand and go forward with and connectivity so you get the information in the hands of the people that can make the most value out of it maybe your family or friend your doctor