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look my fate of a gangster from the forties meet the business amount of Motown's very gaudy turn grand rock into a chain of 1440 sorry we're now we are back you know each other this is now judge i watch ofs you digital city that's right that's right and what are we doing here we do things that people don't do we see things people don't see we hear things plaid is pretty amazing I I prefer to think of it as a telling interesting stories about things going on in the world of technology and digital life and urban living and all that stuff and as I flipped through the cameras I'm Dan over here is Julie and over here is Joseph and let's see number four works and it does look at that it's it's Gus and then if you want to see the group shot there it is and I say all this because we continue to play with and learn about this fantastic camera system we have in here etc etc so does anybody know what we're going to talk about today Joseph like to do a quick rundown we're going to talk about virgins or should I say kindling virgins a little and a little touching or a little phoning a little I phoning touching virgin kindle thing is that the pg-13 I don't know goodbye all of our trend tags yeah that was a little strange there maybe we'll rehearse that a few times so obviously one of the first things that I want to tell you guys about is I went down to union square right here in New York City where the Virgin Megastore is going out of business as all the virgin megastores are just like Circuit City did several months ago and I took my little camera down there my little uh actually my iphone camera and I went in took pictures inside the store of the different like sale tags you can see what was on sale how much the discounts were and you know whether or not they were actually good deals because a lot of the time when you have one of these liquidation sales there are no good deals if you guys enjoyed you have go to the circuit city sale I had stuff going on I really didn't catch the sale but I just wanted to go to see because it was like such a big thing and I walked in and I just saw like empty floor like half the floor was empty which is like it just was unheard of was like you just never expected that to happen the circuit city I'd walk by there just when I'd get off the train just so is there a DVD that i might want to get that's out or something and they didn't it was just crazy i really didn't look for any deals because in talking to you you made it very clear I wasn't going to find any alright so I had already gone down there by the time you went down there and you'd heard about my my crazy stories of fake discounts Julie did you go down to a circuit city when they were going out of business no and I had one very close to my home but I never bothered to go in there they have a lot of big signs up there like a gazillion percent off well there's a huge one in Atlantic Avenue so but yeah all you saw were just huge signs that said going out of business mm-hmm sale blah blah blah and I was like no it's depressing so I didn't bother going it was it was not have a dude you go by the circuit city liquidation sales and they were going on I steered clear river report i heard including yours including line i mentioned that the discounts were terrible and I'd issued Circuit City anyhow so I I cut a wide swath away from it but I've shopped at virgin megastore for many a movie soundtrack in the 90s now that's what I work for is actually very similar to circuit city in fact here in Union Square New York they're on the same block together they're right next door to each other right and the same company is doing the liquidation at both of these stores what they do is this company comes in outside company comes in circuit city or virgin megastore they don't actually do the liquidation sale themselves they just say we're going out of business we're hiring a third party to handle all this and they come in and they take over the store they run it and they make up the prices and they put the stickers on and they make all the weird you know rules about about you know the return policies and the percent off and stuff so that's why when I went is the Virgin Megastore the signs the percent off signs were exactly the same as the ones that were right next to at Circuit City like for four or five months ago it's all I wait a minute this looks awfully familiar someone have even said circuit city yeah probably summer circuit city products so all make signs outside said up to thirty percent off so I went inside looking for my thirty percent off i found one thing that was thirty percent off that was video game hint book people still buy those there should be thirty percent off all the time yeah that's probably the only video if you need a video game hint book that's the way to go so it should just be a nap or for the iphone 99 video game him / gasps oh that's a good idea actually it's like the Kindle yes they should just publish those on the candle I mean that would be great because I'm this way to actually get up and go to your desktop to look up a code yeah there we go to run to your ipod going your home Wi-Fi holiday all the fact that that that's really the only site anymore game ironically a cnet property and give you an option from screenshots on or also pages can come up quicker well you're really over thinking this guy I told you know most of stuff in the store like I think dvds and sees like twenty percent off but twenty percent of the already ridiculous virgin prices where everything's you know 1899 or 24 99 for a DVD when they're you know ten bucks less at best buy down the street so that was really a big discount video games were like ten percent off so you know since games are really discounted I guess that's kind of a little bit of a discount electronics didn't really have a lot left they were discounted like ten percent but that was off the MSRP which of course is higher than what they easily sell it for in the store so we looked up a whole bunch of stuff and we found that you can actually most of it cheaper on on amazon I mean the only thing that was really great about virgin with the wide selection I mean you can go in there and you can find like like audio CD that you wouldn't find anywhere else or maybe like only back in the day at Tower which is no longer around or maybe they're blu-ray selection which is sick I mean you'd go to so many different places they'd only have certain blu-rays but you'd find like a wide variety of blu-rays they're just really sad that now we're losing all these resources in Manhattan where you can just walk in and browse it's becoming like only on the internet and if you don't have a preview so be it whatever you know just move on by it or don't buy it they don't care you get it in six to eight weeks or you pay double to get it over overnighted well I'll tell you I mean they had a lot of I mean they had a great back catalog at virgin and they did have some like Gil they have a lot of iphone accessories actually they had iPods for five percent off which doesn't sound like much but considering there's never any iPod discounts that's actually okay I don't think I had any in stock by the time I went through but they did have an Apple TV or five percent off they went five percent off an apple TV with no return policy you're really going well I meanwhile i'm chatting about this actually Scott do you have our google doc open under your machine new frontier right here um no but i will go to that and click on the link and we'll go to the slide show where I actually get some specific products and compare the prices between the Virgin sale and like just current regular everyday prices on on amazon and is it true you have 25 pictures for the slideshow going on uh yeah that said that that's what makes a good slide show you need a lot of is it yeah when to when I went to the new york comic con I hope Tamar screen my camera I got let's see okay well now i'm going to jump to thee to the computer output cam right now click on that link not quite ready anger you can just you can just hover over it and i'll get a little arrow haha computer tutorials with joseph in Scott oh yeah Julie you would have had this stuff right away and I already have it I have it up as well everybody has enough except Scott all right yeah I trusted you I've got it up I've got enough now this guy can't get it up oh my god now click on the photo gallery so we can look at the actual slides hey colony here we are illegal excellent more get dance clicks for a job at six seven eight I'm now gonna slide 8 skip ahead okay we're gonna watch it uh-oh slide 4 that's an empty 15 you've done six keep going you're almost there that's what a frame looks like okay let's see wait wait yeah stop at any of this which which one is there hey let's get creative let's look at it so what is the price what does it say there on the screen it says take ten percent off was 9999 you pay 8999 and what is he and what is the text next to the pictures take that's right i looked up the price I the non HD version of creatives Votto video camera virgin 8999 amazon 7990 if you look at that it's cheaper it's obviously cheaper on amazon i mean if you click to the next thing i'm sure it's the same the same deal i think the worst part hahaha that's just nothing that's just sad i think the worst part of all this is like if you like you could probably get the best deal on or products that are already out of the box and that's like probably the most dangerous because you can't bring it back I can't bring anything back you can wear limitation in terms of like the best deals are on prod they're open box products I think the best deals are on the shelving when they saw the shelving for like thirty percent off i think like no it is not because a big note there and if you find the slide that i'll give you a shiny nickel it says there's like a ten percent premium on the shelving if you buy the shelving tennis imprinted like extra ten percent fee if you're buying the fixtures all fashions and there's enough i guess the million-dollar question is is beverage my price is going to go way up now there's no comedy on the game and occasionally are they gonna you you are the only game in town after a lot of stuff you can order it and wait or you could buy it right now for the low low price of three easy payments of you know other cities have like fries and stuff like that i guess and other stores like that but here in New York they're really the only big retailer because we don't have like Target or Walmart here really we have a Kmart visitor targetable Coast Guard there's a target in Brooklyn yeah okay we don't have one yeah there's a target in Brooklyn definitely all right but that's not the target in the Bronx you know I know what Ackerman means you know what I'm talking about i don't want to say it he doesn't have to get on the Iron Horse or drive wants to walk there out of the pub as long as they don't have to take a cab there I am I'm happier public transportation I can walk there he doesn't have to take a break this is what it that way doesn't have to take a bridge to get there I would also not like to have to take a tunnel so either bridge or tunnel read into that what you will see all these days County you're depressing the Auld amazing i'm looking every single wanna thank you they're very sad look at that you're looking another one with about twenty percent off what you know yeah twenty percent off their overpriced dvds i know ridiculous alright moving on and you can obviously check that out at the digital city website what's the biggest city dot cnet com fred is getting confused for a minute don't worry about it we're here to help you so another big thing this week obviously is the kindle kindle mindell i thought it's nevertheless bigger kindle a bigger kindle kindle DX it's not one of the telephone something about the kindle yes so they had the big press conference this week in New York announcing the 9.7 inch e-ink until DX for the low low price of four hundred eighty nine dollars what is wrong with these people it's still black and white exactly scale exactly what it does have a PDF reader built in it also can much the I'm own PDA change between landscape and portrait by tilting it also takes up that space in your bag it also charges you to convert your documents now per megabyte you gotta be kidding oh it always yet always charged you it just switched they used to have an email account where you could just write but they still charge like ten cents or something went out to 115 yeah boy and they got rid of the Wi-Fi I think from they never had it no no Wi-Fi the whisper the original Waldo the first kimmel that came out had Wi-Fi hmm and this DX doesn't have Wi-Fi yeah what has 3g eight has Yeldon whispernet but yeah that's not really for web browsing and you know you're never gonna get multimedia over that you can browse on the same slow experimental 800 x 600 browser in grayscale I think my only problem with the kindle is it's a great idea it's a great product but they they can give you more for what they're charging you so it's not a great product I mean it's a great product in a sense that it's good for like you know the sight impaired and you know with the with the voice of text and the fact that you can just carry and carry books on you can download it and they're a lot of books that they're making specifically for but I just don't think they're they're making it the best they can make it for what they're charging its got like a premium price and in like Scott alluded to it's like still grant wide it just takes you back to like when we had our Apple 2 plus and you had the freaking green screen you know the green purse or something and I were say Joey speaking from authority as he is one of the most voracious readers I know I've never seen this guy not walking I was telling I was all these two books under I told Julie I was like I'll get it and she's like really was like here cuz I can have it read to me do you want to turn big word hahaha ok which for big birch oh yeah it should be a hundred but that's one of the faculty issue things about this word oh it's got that text to speech thing yes and apparently one of the phrases it doesn't know how to say correctly was Barack Obama we might want to get to that pretty quickly might wanna love date what did it sound like did you hear them doing I'm imagining it's probably like Barbara oh yeah like that it's hard to miss her name's Obama sounds like very straightforward Obama given to a computer it doesn't know apparently came out Oh be lame not like Raja know what not like twin peaks at you like to play again apparently sounded like black Alabama that's a bad came out hey watch it with that black see that's what the that's what Jeff oh okay program the thing to say do don't yes there's a whole website dedicated to the sort of like play the record backward ID like wonder what are the mispronunciation sound like on the camera what are the kindle family messages we lack Alabama but it should be it's strange to because it's in the end I have a problem with it because you're paying four hundred eighty nine dollars for something that's now selling you ten dollar books so at least with an iPod technically you are buying something where you can rip your own CDs into it and bring stuff Emmy it's mostly tied to the itunes store hbu could bring another mp3's it's kind of hard to di's business model for well the New York Times wants to do that brighter times wants to sell you a new york time subscription like a digital you know version of the paper subscription and give you the kindle to read it with if you prepay for like a two year subscription or something so to say here's the kindle because you're given us a thousand dollars and with the newspaper whatever it is it which is kind of a nice idea but idea by 95 a month for their uh time subscription well you know me but on the paper but they're only doing that right now in areas where or they're only planning on rolling that out in areas where you can't get the paper delivered which is like Mars Antarctica normal i don't know but if they decide that although I'd any also you can get I mean this is their own problem because they made the content available online for free right now but not only do you get out in every other newspaper you also get the videos or free and not that they're great but the point don't get the videos when you pick up the newspaper off the street vendor either no videos an end it's just if you're going digital you might as well anyway for an apple tablet knock on the registration no no New York with the New York Times and the free kindle you get like hit with a bunch of ads on it like yeah right Papa why your page is loading while you watch it yet we'll have to wait and we will have to wait and see although one of the things that is kind of annoying about the kindle it still has that little flash when you flip pages it's not quite as seamless as it should be which i find which i find pretty doing that's what you know what if they said subscribe to the no I just go out and buy the new york times every day because i like it and i read it and etc etc if they said sure you subscribe to the paper and we'll give you this digital subscription on the Kindle and with roni kindle if you prepay for like a two-year subscription I'd be the first guy to sign up for that that'd be great I totally be down with that i read it on my phone so if they decide to suddenly turn around and say we're charging you for the iphone content then i might say i'll take you up on the kindle deal but until that point yeah but even really i mean i read on the iphone also and i read the website and i read the real paper but it's not quite you never get quite the same experience as the real paper that's cuz you grew up with there's a lot of thumb wiseman you're sitting there like you got a lot of like that any foot and you're on the subway you're hitting people with your arms cuz it's a big paper you know they say tell you when you read the papers you know you're supposed to fold it over in half and fold it up and always opposed to if you had it yeah that's how you read the paper oh wait am I love it into reading something my bad it's nice because you can browse our organs how to read the minutes The Daily News you can just hold up yeah yeah yeah I fold it over four times for Dilbert all right so anyway that that's what's up at the kindle and i believe they already have a hotfix for the for the black alabama problem and it's the s second you can't say that i can only say that okay it's a second most popular gadget now in amazon com that's right it's already it's already behind well the kindle too there was actually though a CNBC reporter who was furious this morning because were a couple of days ago because I should've bought the kindle to a few months ago she can angers that there a UH they are a retailer not a technology company that's true when did just come out I mean they really could have saved them both up and released a Mets a get this mon or get the big one because I've been a lot of people how we did buy the kindle to write rather have this big one I wonder if they do some sort of make good like remember when when Apple did that if when the iphone 3g came out right everyone who bought a previous iphone like a couple months before it got like a gift certificate also that was that was the original on the drop in price paid 500 for they drop to 200 bucks i was one of those people i got a hundred all the credit so did I i bought it i bought the many happy after fifty bucks on and bought a nano yeah it goes right back to they should give a um they should give some sort of an M&A i was right at your certificate yes they're gonna go right back to the store and so I mean I'd rather have the bigger one from what you know just looking at the two of them it just seems it just seems like a nice reading experience trade your kindling for a dozen books dimensions are nicer it's not there is as much of that annoying white space on the side there's a like thick plastic on the on the two it just seems like too much empty spaces are the outer bezel yeah the other bezels lot thinner on the other one I like the proportions better on I just wish it was color and you can toggle it on on and off for reading so you don't get like the crazy texts but it mean I certain color because like you may have like I mean you can even use it's like view illustrations maybe photos Joey's waiting until they put comic books on it well no I'm just you could you know maybe a great you can go marvel comics you know that route that would feel ya marvel or the DC edition where you can add like the Hulk on the back amusing I think you should do something this data stylish yeah that would be really cool and you can even you can even charge even more if you get the actual artist to autograph it or H their name in each one I mean if you're gonna mark it more like a cutter I'm trying to market this towards more towards like college students basically their faces pilot program but their their college a stink doesn't really make sense but sixty percent of the textbook textbooks that are made that those manufacturers have agreed to sign on to sell books it's unclear how many they'll do and then there's that pilot program with I think it's only I think Pace University revealed that there was only 300 students they're trying it with over all right so it's very small if me like one lucky class at each University and everything and don't pan out all that well I mean especially if you if you your custom if you were a college student and your custom having a whole mess of books in front of you while you're doing you know a paper yeah and you have everything like set up to a certain point in the page for each tech textbook I mean how are you supposed to do that like with the kindle like okay I'm viewing this right now don't have to exit out of that you the next thing but then I forgot where I was you know so it's kind of it's it's kind of a funny kid doodle in the margins yeah UK okay I like you know you could take notes but it's like a quick cramming will be impossible right exactly through slowly as it refreshes value I mean you use a laptop and you maybe hook it up to a second screen a dual monitor where you can have like yes that's right Joey let's take something complicated me in Italy more than double purpose oh you take a laptop you should not even get a kindle you take like a laptop and you can you can have in a second monitor or you can do your cramming on you that was Stan well as I pointed out I did the e-book readers your ebook really ah yes so you look at that I'm backing you up here before oh yeah you know but honestly to I have to say on the subways I'm just gonna say it the Kindles look dorky i know i am no thank you let's be honest and you never see them look you yes I mean they have some nice design when you hold them but they look so dorky they're just clunky a little you know just like very any cheese looking though yeah or maybe like maybe a v10 maybe not even maybe not use the like the eggshell white color or whatever it's maybe little darker a little less little as noticeable as I'm customers may not agree yeah you know but just as soon as you soon as you see the thing as a BAM it's sort of like when you get on the train as soon as you see the white headphone you know it's an ipod you know it's just like you see this big white thing I boom oh my god nobody's gonna mug I'm getting I'm getting off with this iphone and I'm getting over that kindle the imagine if you will a Stephen King branded kindle how about that there you go little it would all that was gobble with all those novels in it right yeah pre-loaded maybe why not I bought I bought but I haven't read that he made that special kindle novella which is supposed to be pretty cool it's only like two bucks but it it's a it's meant to be read on a kindle and it's all about it as if the kindle would access alternate worlds in which other books were written so you access other newspapers from other times and dimensions that sounds that's super no Wi-Fi Dorothy anyway it would know but issue can owen speaking speaking on that like the Stephen King the Stephen King kindle you can even have it read the text a word in his voice use his voice to read it back oh we can't do that right now cuz I'm just saying robot yeah I'm just saying you use his voice you know I'd be hot that'll be for the next gen well I didn't eat money I want a little credit for that idea okay okay you didn't get comics on it on a next-gen Kendall something that would be in color pink in color yeah Dibley in color I like you guys to know please as we're having this wide-ranging discussion how deftly I am jumping between the different cameras watch somebody say something anybody at random burp ippity Boppity boo Kendall feed okay now now now I'm messing it up well the thing has like a dry sherry the pressure I know really the thing has a delay know soon somebody starts talking start see you later yeah it has delay you should let your fingers I'm still staring at your discount see right there picture and it's depressing me okay I gotta close that I'm watching what you're watching to be careful to go to next Kendall single generation right there are you still have it on ooh yes he like Apple Apple plug from Joseph all right finally finally today uh you guys wanted to tell us a little bit about will speak downloadable oh well with inspecting in sticking with the handheld devices and DLC Scott and I had a sparked up a little conversation in the lab earlier with the PSP yeah well this this week on tuesday the PSP had its first they've had downloadable games before but this was their first game that should have been in a box it was sold overseas as a UMD Patapon 2 only available via download for twenty bucks which would have been the same costume that it would have been in the store actually if you go to a gamestop you'll get an empty box with it with just a download code inside which is kind of cruel they did that for the lost and damned the yeah you can go to the storms are 16 I was branded it wasn't it was actually just an xbox points gift card but I branded with that they integrate if they gave you the download card and the disc you know it's kind of like when you buy something online you will you used to have that option does it down lately expenses involved which is all point of doing that well I'm just a little bit cheaper but they don't charge you any less so they're gonna charge you the same price that's how many more money which with these companies to do better they should pass on well the thing is is exactly the way they'll be better just save save money the way better work against that sounds like socialism yes you're better'n is take care of the people take care of the people you build a quality product people will come what about notice Joey's bring a red shirt don't you Tommy he had a black one this morning I didn't notice he had a black one this week did he change you'll be the cameras again Superman quick change no cuz I look like it was supposed to rain today and black doesn't really show the rain and it's so sunny out black doesn't work with the Sun so I you know switches over strategy Joey Jojo change his shirt he powdered his head it's a whole new wow it's a whole new Jones I don't shout you off for putting mascara on before this booba the concealing that concealed yeah awesome that you can cut it some or the hairpiece like more about words right we often make ourselves pretty somehow somehow so uh yeah I think the key is to this is that it used to be they make a game they printed on a on a CD or a DVD or blu-ray they print out a booklet they put the whole thing in a box seal the box put the box in a bigger box full of other boxes put the box on a truck drive the truck across the country go to store put on the shelf you go to the shelf you buy you bring it home that's a lot of middlemen if they can cut out some of these middlemen and just have you downloaded directly they save a lot of money because especially with fuel prices you know so high last year this this year not so much but this time last year was when people were talking about incredibly high fuel prices anything they could do to get away from that was considered a huge plus and we saw you know the download suffer lost a damned all the downloadable guitar hero and rockband stuff all the fallout 3 add-on packs yep the watchman movie game was download only what else has been a big DLC thing well you've had I mean xbox live arcade has been huge right this was a small again now you're seeing bigger games kind of what wasn't brave raid was pretty big rapist yeah castle crashers all these sort of like indie games World of Goo was huge on me that was like when everyone seemed more kind of triple-a style titles yeah mode only did but the thing this is this this is this is the problem with the download only there are some games that you want but you don't want bad enough to pay that full price and by making it download only you can never go into the store and possibly pick it up use like return it yeah like I picked up by picked up like Call of Juarez for like yeah magley you guys are my pick it up for like seven good for you for making it out for 17 bed Oh for 17 bucks it isn't yeah it's not what I thought he was buying red dead revolution right oh all the Western II yeah you know what the poor reading skills just screwed me at the counters like oh but no but if you can write a used but but if i had to pay 65 bucks i know but this enables these companies to have variable pricing on these things where a game can be like the watchmen game the same game in a box would've been $59 online it was like twenty dollars even though it's the same game have variable pricing now here's the million-dollar question how do they decide what goes LC versus disk did they judge it bike the crap rating oh this is not as good this is not good i thing what based on those i guess and no i believe at least for some of these things like watchmen or going forward one its timeliness you can publish a game online faster than you can print disk put them in a box driving to store get them on the shelves right and and secondly volume if the thing is not going to sell that many copies you have to print X number of you know tens of thousands of discs to get a game in the store if you think it's not going to sell that much make it a DLC so basic also rap crap level okay but also don't know they can yeah they can't just would like half and half it's a little bit of gameplay to I mean I've seen a lot of demos now for these things where they'll admit to you that the gameplay may only be about four hours right right actually shorter taste in dis based games but you'll get a little less gameplay they meet it out so the development time ideally what you want to see is that all these indie guys will have a chance to make games on lower budgets and then you'll be able to buy the game for less but hopefully the big companies variable pricing i think is key and the ability to get stuff to market quickly and again when you put a disc in a box you got to print a minimal it's very difficult to do for instance if you for instance had a music album out and you wanted to get in stores you'd have to print up like thousands of thousands i'm kind of like your album oh my god four inch in apush test in this in this feed nobody oh you just plug it off to makeout man wears around lots but once again that that still falls upon us because let's say like like a perfect examples like me i buy games like sick i go games really i got erics had his xbox insets come out I haven't even had money year I have more games in it but in the case of that if i were to download it i love your fat i would orders and other people i don't know Erika Franklin all right cnet Sam Fran um but the thing is that if I kept downloading everything eventually my hard drive is going to fill up now I gotta run out get another hard drive i mean that's another comment and with the playstation with the playstation it's not so complicated cuz you can get a laptop hard drive slap that sucker and you're good to go yes fox is a little boy it's like the more you stuck with that that proprietary crap though it's nice on the at least on the PlayStation Network you can redownload titles yeah you can delete me down like siren uh siren blood curse a 12-part game I was playing each one is a huge download you know if the download moister keep them is like like Netflix type things like I can get this whenever I want yeah delete it they have to every company has to do that where you just in because in the case you lose the steam is really good at that yeah buy some from steam you to redownload it on to any computer and he say that's a good example a hammer time you have a good point Joe suggested let's say you're having internet issues you really want to play that game yet you cannot your final iphone point the whole point you were making to me about this this is mean the iphone ipod touches one yeah well that's it yeah that's like we were talking about yet um i guess in handheld supremacy is nintendo and sony PSP and nintendo dsi PSP is dead well it was a coming out with the new PSP and it seems that everyone's following everyone is so excited about that I can't no he go two steps out somebody saying oh my god I can't wait for the new PSP see I've been accused of being a sony fanboy but you're so later okay calm down don't stop hating ah but I'm serious well they're all doing down there all doing downloads exactly which is with the iphone ipod touch and price should have been memory stick or flash based in the first place yeah and then the iphone ipod touch has cheaper games which obviously sometimes people aren't making enough money have a crowd yeah too well know how it ended even download him on the fly yeah in defense for the PSP it would have been successful with with the UMD because of the movies but they charge the same price for the movies as it was for a standard even exactly and the unity shoulda coulda know had the UMD's been priced what they are now removing that thing would have taken off and have the racist Reba 299 it wouldn't I better tell you but that's that's the problem its own its pricing you know they got a video download store from the first day of the PSP but nobody knew about it and not store it was is the kinect page okay they never did anything with it was like they had one nature video and the location free TV was it was available before like you had to sling box huh oh yeah yeah nobody really it was the device was too expensive to use it's all very proprietary and so maybe the iphone could out nintendo nintendo i think the iphone can out nintendo nintendo who I like that it's a lot more interesting it's a lot more elegant it's nicer it appeals to many more people than the yeah yeah so everyone plays it and like we're a maz and moms and and and like we were saying Bella grandma was like we were discussing the form family the form factor of the DS really hasn't changed much and it's not really moved with the times um will maybe a better quality in terms of graphics and the touchscreen with the style is he look but it's like we were discussing they should maybe like you know tapered it off like they did with the macbook air I kind of round it off to the edge like it like a compact that's a child shoes then you have apple vs. nintendo and nintendo just can't compete with apples design an apple should by nintendo my god asian fusion of fanboy well I I gentleman wait what I'm sorry one more thing that is another point though how there are more games within a year for the iphone then the entire system anyway then for any city for any Apple system throughout his exist it's like 6,000 a lot of them are like 99 cents or grieve free and no more than 10 bucks that's right all right anyway we're gonna wrap it up now because we've run way way way over we have a special bonus for you at the end of this episode we're going to fade out and then we'll come back in we had a special guest in here earlier this week Joseph interviewed who did you interview JK Kevin Willis world champion 2003 with the San Antonio Spurs and we taught him about his choice of cell phones and add some basketball stuff and we're going to run that as a special segment right after the music fades out so stay tuned for that and anything else of note anybody I think we're done um you can become a fan of ours on our facebook fan page digital city podcast you can also email us at digital city at cnet com just loop this loop loop de loop loop we should loop loop will be playing us in kindle voice yeah we should have the kindle reader that would be great that was it yeah there's no isn't it just i should i should have been able to mac talk and said that seat never Macri yeah okay gonna feed the music in mind you guys to do so don't forget stay tuned for our interview with Kevin Willis Oh equis oldest oldest active player last time he was playing we played more than one game in a row he's like 46 place it but there was one guy in like nineteen forty eight who's older but he only played one game he was a coach Athena he put himself in for one game he's not he was not taking the oldest player on the course but he's older player played more than one game did you just look this up on Wikipedia yes incredibly knowledgeable yeah right Kevin also played with Dominique Wilkins man i love you guys remember the human highlight film whoo Dominique was nasty I'm a Jordan fan but he should have won that slam dunk contest in Chicago backbone just throwing that out there it was a playfully dress I'll see if I can get Brett Favre in next brett favre above we sat in the mishap in front of his life set us back seat occupants obviously so ask his wife didn't come on play can I hear any more not New York anymore hey still being again they'll be at a gaming man I saw we had a Larry Thompson siding up shillong going the garden like still be out again I just met school same p.m. is pulled over by the boys just more to be happening guns don't screaming too small something else