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greetings greetings citizens in the internet welcome to tomorrow daily hello hello ready is the best geek talk show the known universe we are here sharing the gamespot live co-op stage here at e3 2016 i have some i'm ashley scott though by the way hello i'm ashley scott and i have some very amazing people on the couch to introduce you to you probably know them My dear co-host jeff cannata hey guys how's it going welcome to chill a very special show live from e3 and we're joined by tim schafer watch you I hi thanks for having me it's beautiful lovely here then we are slowly becoming one plaid ein all the tree is becoming a plaid see by the end of the show you'll be merged into one flappers one big beard perfect amazing um you've got you guys have a lot of stuff going on double find us a lot of things when I got head lander but the thing I am most excited about obviously as psychonauts the robbers really tried to call pit roar I don't know if you guys have I'm def back in akron is that case is that good anachronism i think so i think it works um so let's talk about it i mean Psychonauts 2 really big crowd fund guys I'm a backer I have to pull to thank you for backing oh thank you very much i preciate that um and uh and so now you have this sort of bridge between psychonauts one and Psychonauts 2 and this is going to be the experience we're gonna get to have on PlayStation VR yeah even though it's been you know 10 years since we shipped second thoughts one the events was the rhombus of ruin takes place like directly after that game ends and then when rubbish room and Psychonauts 2 will take off from there so this if you remember the end of 2nd nuts I'm really the end of a second odds that when they said please now put on your VR headset yeah in 10 years in 10 years when Arthur invented put on your headset and so they um you know Raz became a second up but then immediately the Grand head of the second house Truman sonata was kidnapped Taryn it happened to be his razzes girlfriend's father too and so they all jumped in this jet to go off to save him and Russia that was the end of the game and then in robeson ruin you see in that footage you start in the jet and you're stretching your chair but you have your psychic powers still and so r as can pick up objects with his mind levitate them you can burn them they can throw them he could also use as one of those powerful skills clairvoyance to see what someone else sees so you can like I can jump into your head basically then see the world from your point of view you don't want to do that scarf I kind of do and then jump you see someone else he could jump into their head and move around an environment that way from brain to brain to brain I really enjoy jumping into the squirrels brain that was really fun yeah did you feel a little did you did you like the nut joke I did yeah I don't like spoil a good nut joke joke waiting for everybody yeah we both hate it and I I want to know just kind of your what drew you to VR in this in the first place I mean it's a pretty exciting new technology are you sold on it well I think like one of Double Fine's main things we like to make worlds that just pull you in and make you feel like you just want to spend all day in this world and you know you're really transported to another place and VR just does a lot of that instantly like the second you put on headset and you're there with the characters and raz it and me is talking to you and it's like wow I just feel it's it's hard to explain until you put on the goggles that it you can watch footage of it but until you're in the space you're like I'm in the jet from the end of psychonauts and there's me and everybody so it just really just it really just drops you in a world that we create really easily yeah I think one of my favorite things about seeing me Mia in front of you is you've always seen those characters in two dimensions but in a 3d space but now she's she's there and there's they're all so bizarrely shaped but it feels so right like it was nice to see those old friends again like that's how I felt after I was done with Rama saru and I was just like man like I'm ready or after the demo yeah I'm dying to play the rest yeah I've done with it now I don't have any more I'm ready so you stay so you're in the plane you're strapped in but then you mentioned it opens up after you get you get out of the plane and yeah how many other different locations in there they're a little big the jet or showing this demo is kind of a tutorial of how to use your your psychic powers here is a reminder a reminder no but is it gonna is it gonna work the same way as the demo in the sense that you're basically moving around by at jumping from being to being yeah we want to use an interface that would be let you move around that made sense in the world the psychic world of the second nuts but also didn't run the risk of making anyone feel like throwing up because right if anyone's gonna throw it's giving me I'm the first person to get sick in the VR environment sort of like tested your good test subject I'm a good test subject and like this game is one hundred percent you're not gonna barf because you're you're only doing psychic stuff it's almost like a point-and-click in three-dimensional virtual reality space it's a it's a look and click it is any has it been it has almost adventure game puzzles we're picking up objects using him in the right places and it's you get to experiment a lot with Rogers of psychic powers side blasts coming out of your head and blowing things up burning things all the fun things as psychics like to do all the things that we enjoyed in the original psychonauts how does it feel this year coming to the show to be able to have that franchise back one I know it took a little while and also to be able to kind of say like hey we're making that sequel and p i'm sure people have been stopping you and they're excited about it aside for me of course like to stop you every time i see him like hey thanks four seconds you and then there's that guys look like you and a mustache then yeah yeah that's my brother ya know it is it's ashley Esqueda yeah yeah mustache get out get out game that has a lot of them a lot of affection out there for the Gillikin i think the characters you know the performances but the actors just we're very charming and i think it does it really stuck with people and it's been out for ten years it is it's growing in popularity and digital release and so there's a lot of people who were waiting for it and then demoing they at the the playstation event there was like half the people were like oh I can't wait to see this a I played the game ten years ago and stuff we were like I don't really know this is like I've no idea and there's that's exciting too because someone who's never seen second us before being able to play it and meet those carrots the first time is also really cool yeah such a weird like quirky universe to experience especially in VR which I was a little scared that it wouldn't be the same and then as soon as I love tainted the toilet paper to the coach yeah I was just like oh man this is this is psychonauts it's happening it I'm playing it and I'm in it and it feels so so right though you're in the weirdness deep in the weirdness does the the fact that you are inside it open up puzzle possibilities for you or gameplay opportunities I mean are you able to hide something under something where you have to yet at this it was a fun most fun things for me it's like there's things you actually have to move your head to see ya and like I could do this little view thing and the M those feels so different I don't think that would be a big deal if you did it with a stick but when you're doing with your own ahead it really makes you feel like it's a real it's a real object yeah this summe I remember looking for pixels in you know ticket among can fund enough yeah I did instead of like scrubbing your cursor over all of you actually like right like bending over and looking under things and you get really terrible neck pains now inside of a cursor neck pain guaranteed figure to your knees staring at everything uh so we're gonna generally like wrap things I've one more question about psycho nuts too can you just tell everybody the entire plot of the game right now Raz is the robot Oh what an alien who a robot alien well it's still preliminary but we're good they're probably not gonna go with that plot line but yeah thnkx events right after you rescue Germans a lot oh and you go back to the second thoughts headquarters and Raz has always dreamed of being a real psycho not now he's really in taking a hit headquarters neither the summer camp anymore and he gets to go on real international espionage missions so the real deal and now you've got Zach will Clinton doing dr. fine in the lead designer on by shop to live shock to like a basic ismaik great games i'm really excited to see this I thank you so much for stopping by the safe having being an e3 just having a place to sit down and a nice couches yeah that's really how we sell it today here from I got you that's how we get people to say yes really does exactly Cheers we have chair guys you got a couch it's great water um thank you so much for stopping by Rob's ruin launch window for around at the end of the yeah it's gonna be this year in in the end was a year ish I didn't know officially were so cobble cobble lunch window the first three months so yeah let's say let's say closely out of the earth good yeah okay yeah all right area please give give your round of applause yeah thank you so much easier to your loyal citizens it's a great FFM I'm really milking it now is good cause you can check out double fine online we are going to be coming right back with some developers from destiny indeed talk about their next expansion so stick around for that don't click away it's to our daily welcome back to the show everybody you are watching to our daily live from the gamespot co-op stage here at e3 2016 I we are here really excited we just had Tim Schafer on the show I'm Ashley scatta this is jeff cannata my co-host yeah I'm happy to be here to III it's uh it's great we have an awesome guest David egg is here oh you probably know him as dietsch the community manager for destiny and guys had a big announcement right before e3 the week before e3 indeed yeah of a new expansion called rise of iron right rise of iron it sounds like it just sounds strong just sounds really strong sounds regal well that's the destiny player fantasy one yeah feel like a badass want to turn you into a regal heraldic night on a quest to protect all of humanity from the dangers that threaten us of course yeah that's what we're here to talk about yeah that's Danny rise of iron is a new expansion for destiny something we're going to unleash this fall in September 20th all sorts of cool stuff to do new enemies to fight new places to explore new weapons and armor to add to your character new ways to become more powerful new raid new story new strikes new bad guys so let's talk about it well tell me about the new raid I think let's start at the top yeah a sort of end game let's go right to end game at the at the mountaintop in the summit and then just roll down and so the raid is in the minds of many players of Destiny sort of the pinnacle of the experience you know it's the end game it's the culmination of the story it's when you finally infiltrate that enemy stronghold and destroy the source of their power once and for all it's the most challenging activities that we provide in destiny you need a fireteam you need six players who agree to work with each other to communicate with each other to see the experience through to the end and you all have sweet Lutz they all have a sweet look at us balance yeah yeah you got to go in you got to be powerful you want to bring your best game and the more you play the raid the more we give you even more sweet Lutz so people start to actually sort of bear the trophies of their enemy you know as things that they can wear and equip and shoot we have a new enemy to fight in the form of a new house of fallen so we got the Fallen devil splicers they've discovered a whole horrible technological plague they burrow deep into the Golden Age vaults deep beneath old Russia and Unleashed this technological plague that they can use to transform their minds and their bodies and become machine gods so we have to band together under the command of Lord Saladin indeed the sole surviving iron Lord is calling all of the Guardians to rally to his iron banner and to go out and fight these new bad guys there's some of that action right there are those you Mesa wolves is that as a survey for wool ah imported they're imported wolf reported those are Lord Saladin's wolves okay excellent so your palms face home miss Facebook everything there its face now so they're in space so which makes them now Facebook's it up uh so tell us a little bit about interacting with the community I mean destiny has a really passionate fan base really passionate fan base they love the game they're really into it I see memes about destiny still having it's been almost what two years after launch like it's been a while no I still see destiny memes people are still talking about it in terms of developing expansions how much does how much does the development of an expansion rely on a player feedback like how in terms of percentages I mean obviously development is you know hey guys like with this is what we're doing but you go into the community what kinds of feedback do you really take from the players all kinds of feedback we have monitors mounted to the wall at bungie and we are watching people streaming gameplay from the world of our game all day long so you know you walk through the studio and you see different people playing different activities we're always connected to the player with destiny it's always online so we're connected to every single player you don't need to be a streamer to get our attention or to influence our creative process we have so many different data points we can rely on to make a great game and to bring new things to life you know like the heroes and the adventures and rise of iron you know we have you know tivities people that play the weapons that they equip you know the the anecdotal feedback that comes from forms the conversations the things that people say about the game the ways in which they wanted to change the ways in which they think it can be better then there is you know our own gameplay I mean so many people at bungie also play destiny so our own experiences shaped this a lot too we see the YouTube videos that they create you know I mean we we celebrate fan created content every day every week at buncha you know I mean they're the main characters in our world and while the developers in the creator's at bungie do have their own sparks of inspiration they have their own creative ideas knowing your audience and being inspired by your audience is a huge part of that and when we were creating destiny we were doing it very much in a vacuum we had this new thing new to us you know as a very ambitious project for bunging and we unleash that under the world and then began the process of getting acquainted with this new audience that was playing our game and letting them really inform us as to what that experience was and then learning how we can better serve them as entertainers because that's our goal yeah and what's uh so just out of curiosity what's the most you got the monitors up on the walls they're watching people play what's the most unorthodox play style or choice that you've maybe seen a player I decide to go for sure on the week dude we've seen people do everything from play raids blindfolded Oh take more tactical cues from their opponents you know like literally going in blind I can do that right that's like challenge accepted yeah I mean people play through player activities where they're forced to equip any loot that drops right at that moment you know so that the player experience is very different by the end of the game we've seen people play hide-and-go-seek we've seen people you know sort of have challenges to each other you know I dare you let's all go in and let's play this game together I have some friends who actually go in and they equip an exotic sniper rifle that's very hard to use they say we're all going in we're going to use nothing but no land beyond and we're going to see who can score the most kills by the end of this crucible match so there's so many different ways to play the game there's so many different options that you get to embrace as a player what are you going to wear what class are you going to play as what weapons are you going to equip so people can play destiny in different ways over and over and over again yeah I mean the most hardcore people in our community say I've one of each x hunter time warlock I said every perk set every gear you know every tactical advantage you know they just mix and match all that stuff together until they create their own personal ultimate badass so we we've heard that this might be the last paid expansion for destiny one is that true I can't confirm or deny anything about the future of Destiny other than the fact that rides of iron is the future of destiny septembrie ah the immediate future of destiny is sep tember 20th and we have rise of iron we're going to be sending you into a zone you've never explored before the plague lands is where you'll find the Fallen double splicers uh-huh you are going to redeem the sacrifice that was made by the iron Lords to contain that technological plague in the first place we're gonna honor their memory we're going to ascend to their ranks we're gonna become powerful in some new and exciting ways and we're gonna save the world can you tease some of those sweet lutz for us I know that you know destiny has evolved so much since launch and even the whole way the loot system works has been completely changed and I think in a month for the better you know having yeah share a specific piece that influences my play style and lets me break the rules and really fun ways is awesome are there some notable things that you are revealing about rise of iron well we have new gear sets that will commemorate the different things that you've done I think people have felt about destiny in the past that the only way to become all-powerful and destiny is to play the rail that's really no longer the case if you're a crucible person if you love the story if you love patrolling the world and participating in public events if you like the rituals that define the player experience if you like the raids there are many different ways to become powerful and destiny so all of that gear satisfies that desire to evolve and to become you know the the apex predator on your friends list yeah yeah a lot of the new gear and a lot of the new armor that's going you're going to find in Rajab iron has some interesting new perks sets some different ways to influence combat and change the sandbox and to change the way you fight so there will be some new things for you to discover as a player and that's part of the fun is to get a new piece of gear you know to put on that new helmet and say this gives me something new this enables me to do something I've never done before right and play behind phone with my Blind Boy yeah of course yeah that's now my new goal Hawaiian name it behind this the blast shield down I can't even see you don't need the blast shield like a fight i need that bond your feelings so what do you play as in destiny i am a warlock this was an incredibly emotional decision I'm is emotional it's so emotional for everybody i know that feeling I just I saw wizard robes and I said I want to be that guy like maybe you should play the game first and really understand I'm like no no I will adopt to a fighting style that complements the yeah I will find a way ooh am i doing Aurora me is saying why should be yes no and I love that about destiny because I feel like not that it's a loot driven game but obviously in any MMO where you are rating and doing a lot of these sort of high-end and get bigs loot obviously plays a huge part of that yeah and I think that that's such a cool thing about games like destiny and destiny itself that you can look at somebody in a video or on a stream and you could say well I just want to be that guy like what I don't even care what class it is I'll figure it out I just want to wear that helmet or carry that gun or you know where those robes or whatever that is like that's such a cool part of destiny and I always felt that the character design of destiny is always so fun but also like you said so badass like you just feel cool and you want to look at pictures of you and take like pictures of yourself and share them with your friends and everything and I think that's really contributed to the way the community has grown without a doubt and we love we have art galleries up on bungie.net you know our headquarters on the internet where every day we're posting new fan art you know they upload that stuff we approve it so if you're making cool destiny art please throw it at us you know share it with us on our website we even got around recently to deactivating the the user interface and the heads-up display so you can just get a nice clean image of the world take screenshots I mean what's a what's a video game with amazing art if you can't take a selfie well now let's travel now I don't want to play blindfolded no guys are giving me completely up a fight blindfolded and then you take your picture we leave that to the one percentage definitely want to see the art and and that's one of the things we wanted to do is is to really create a player fantasy we think destiny is a game that's driven by action but rewarded by loop so it's supposed to be a game that's fun to play you know you see the world through the eyes of the hero you know you walk in the footsteps of the character that you create but if you're brave and if you defeat your enemies and complete your missions that gear though that weapon those weapons in that armor really defines you and the things that you've enjoyed doing so people can add a glance tell what someone's into and I think one of the best and most meaningful questions in the destiny community is from what someone to say where'd you get that yeah and now this person becomes an aspirational figure and they can say and I will take you along and this activity me and my clan need people like you to get stuff like this so come with me and we'll complete this experience for each other because that's the thing about destiny it's enjoyed with new people yeah absolutely so what what is your favorite aspect of rise of iron what is that what is the most exciting new piece for you I love jumping on my Sparrow and exploring a place I've never been we had a studio wide play test right on Friday everybody at bungee puts down you know what they're doing they prop a new build of the game we all play the game so we understand what we're making we understand what we need to do to make an experience worthy of our players between now and this fall so you get to a point where you've completed a story mission there's no immediate threat you jump aboard your personal vehicle and you just wander around you see what's out there you know and then the plague lens is such an interesting place you know it's forever transformed by this technological plague the seva that i keep you know hinting at me alluding to and there's some interesting new ways to patrol there's interesting public events you never know what's going to happen when you're just out in the world of destiny what moments of action are going to erupt in that landscape who you might encounter who might team up with you for a moment of action that you know you need to work together to overcome what sort of rewards you might get for doing that so that's really the freeform aspects of the game or something that I enjoy but the same time I mean like with my clan you know we play crucible we play the raids we play the strikes you know we played the story missions we play all of the things that you'll find more of an rise of iron so no matter what sort of player you are no matter what every specific answer to that question is we're giving them more of that in this expansion let sounds exciting acts coming out this fall yep sep tember 20th all right Fox one playstation 4 designory zvonok definitely your eyes of iron I thank you so much if you guys are just tuning in you didn't catch us at the beginning this is deej community manager for bungee and destiny thank you so much for stopping by what we really appreciate it we will be right back we have D wanted only Victor Lucas yeah putting a sign out III in general don't touch that dial hey guys welcome back to the show you're watching tomorrow daily which is a cnet show we've hijacked the gamespot co-op stage here at e3 2016 you'll never know we'll never find out here I'm Ashley sceva hello and my wonderful co-host Jeff kanata's hanging out with me here on stage and we have a very special guest it's my old boss hello my friend NIC Lucas is here we have what like three shows combined on yeah actually with all of yours that's like six shows right come on shout out here oh my going on and he shows you have EPN TV TV yes and your host and creator yep so for you III means what uh well you know what I bet this is I've been all of them this is my sister 22nd III 22nd heathrow and early on when we were in sort of creating demos and pilots for electric playground in the very beginning of 95 this was mecca back then I knew that this was going to be the most important event for the video game industry it was in Atlanta then right yeah the very first one oh no the first one was in LA we did two years in LA and that two years in Atlanta I came back to LA but so this has always been Mecca this has always been like a very just important i was going to say spiritual but it's not spiritual it's just an incredibly important trip for the entire community to come and get together and see all of this stuff and celebrate this business and I feel it's incredibly important to continue to do that because the games industry needs to kind of show that this is a valuable art form on a consistent basis and of course that's been my whole career on television is to kind of put cameras in people's faces and really show off this art form convince people that this is high art just as you would say cinema is my thing Lou I think this year is a great testament to that we've seen some really amazing games obviously people lost their minds when we saw God war come back but looks very cinematic we were talking about that earlier job yeah I mean I think they took a franchise that let's be honest was pretty juvenile yeah and they actually managed to make it ground it and substantial and have this nuance story that's really about parenting and being an adult well I think just the way that Grand Theft Auto kind of transitioned us into a more mature kind of art you know look at this art form and the medium and ways to tell stories I think the same can be said for the last of us yeah and I feel like the effects of the last of us we're gonna continue to feel but I have to say something about that sony press conference I've seen every press conference so that Sony one was a very special one and I think it was kind of reflected in a little bit of the Sean Laden remarks about the awful stuff that happened in rural land over at the beginning but there was a maturity and a confidence in the stories that were told just in those little visual snippets that I think were profound and the to think that people in theaters all over America and I think some in candidates who were able to watch that as a show was very important and I feel that the business can learn a lot from that kind of presentation great games it was a very mature presentation and like you said I think confidence was such a big part of that presentation they said we don't need to bring anybody out we don't need to do demos we're not going to even talk about it like no even when kijima came out it was just like here's what I've been working on hope you love it like and everybody was just like I don't know what crazy thing this is no with Norman Reedus and the baby of a craziness and they have it but we love it we want to plan just just to have that much time on Rita's face while he's holding the baby and he's crying that was significant very poignant ah ayna been do we use the word and the word that they used on stage was show yeah and I think it wasn't a press conference that they realized that this isn't a press conference it really is a show they approached it like a theatrical event so having the live music there and being on that beautiful shrine auditorium stage make the dual LEDs of red so it was unbelievable yeah I mean I think I think you're going to see moving forward it becoming even more presentation rather than a press as it should be you know like I just interviewed Sam Witwer who's the star of days gone and he's a face that gamers know from other games and we should kind of put these pieces together you know it was just announced before the before e3 that Jon Snow is the it is going to live Illinois duty and you know not to say that we need to put celebrities in all of this but there needs to be this kind of entertainment familiarity with these properties and right and the people behind them you need a little bit of that with with NOLA Norris and wait I mean you see a little bit of that but it hasn't reached quite the fever pitch I think that we see obviously in movies yes television well and the other thing I'd like to see is more and what you guys are doing here and you know I think it's amazing I've never had a stage at e3 I've always you know hustled my butt from one native my appointments for the next yes but I i think that to like put this the developers in the middle of a stage like this and to turn the cameras on them and make that a show as well as very important that I quad gamespot for doing that it's awesome yeah and you know it's just a couple of years ago that the press conference was getting on stage and showing flow charts and graphs graphs and say we've sold X number of consoles and it's it's really happened very quickly yeah you know I've been fortunate enough to be in this business for a long time and I've seen that evolution from it being a tech and product based industry to a full-fledged we understand this is an entertainment industry and I need to when you think it's entertainment industry yeah it's past box office almost regularly now for how many years like few years it has but there's a bit of a misconception around that because of the price on games I think that it has an effective as many lives yeah as movies and television like not as many people individuals consume this stuff on a regular basis and know all the intricacies of this stuff and that's what I've endeavoured to do with with my programming and what gamespot is endeavor to do and you're and who said you're hustling your butt around here yeah so what have you seen on the show floor yeah just in the first couple of days that has impressed you most well I I'm a huge sci-fi nerd I love that and I love that call of duty went in that direction a few years ago but now Android seemed to be in Deus Ex robots and Detroit and we've got call of duty robot I'm so looking at all right and fall to his height and so amazing it's a big shooter year yeah I'm sure I talked about that yesterday that the resurgence of FPS games this is like a very big shooter year and and yeah a lot of older franchises coming back a lot of newer franchises manry the mix yep pretty great but the fact that Nintendo has one game to play yeah I think speaks volumes to the quality of that game I'm saying what a game it is we all thought they were insane and then you walk into that booth and you're like no no they created a magical fantasy world unless the lucky I yeah and you don't want to leave you know right and nothing can sort of shake it from your mind right you want a total shameless self-promotion but if anybody wants to we have a 360 video of the unseen Utz YouTube page we have a 360 video it's real short and you can look around inside the Nintendo booty call so and it's worth looking at you I mean there's it's so cacophonous here yeah then you walk into that Nintendo both in it it'll this know you're in a Hyrule yeah yeah that's the game too right i mean there are there is a lot of killing and death like there always is at e3 and then you go into zelda and it's like you know what I'm saying it's like Miyazaki meets Miyamoto kind of a kind of vibe and it's a it's yeah you know regardless of whatever your feelings are on Nintendo this is something that every buddy that likes this medium needs to c spire they should aspire to write 0 NE i love how they're willing to take a risk with such a storied franchise and it really does feel like okay we're putting we're all in on this and it's a little crazy like it's not like any zelda you've played before yep but we think it works and we're really excited about it and we hope that you'll buy it alongside our new console middle sounds like remember those like 80 hours you put into the last Elda that's a drop in the bucket as to what we have you put into this one and I think that that speaks to the you know the the relevance and the maturity of the Western RPGs sure I mean Final Fantasy 15 is a reflection of that as well yeah the you know bioware's and Bethesda's of the world have just been making things that have you know shocked the business from a very you know staunch old guard the JRPG scene was the way that we played our people ain't nothing really shifted and now we have an open world kitchen sink experience with Final Fantasy 15 and an open world Zelda for the first time yeah very very amazing amazing and the thing about the Zelda thing to that I always find really remarkable to is it I don't believe that it's the top-selling of the mint no franchises it always does well but clearly it is always the most expensive to make yeah of the Nintendo franchises and I applaud Nintendo for doing that because they don't have to yeah but they do do that and you know come from a personal compromise yeah prestige brand of Nintendo it's like the procedure franchise feel it when you play that game down i play there's a thousand open world games on the show floor yeah play that one and you go there's a level of Polish that's immediately palpable totally yeah yeah oh I'm asking everybody about VR yeah yes what you're talking about about VR it's big presence here I you know I have to confess I have not really sunk in on the trade show floor okay and it's mostly to do with my vanity and I can't believe I'm revealing you know what hey your hair I don't want yeah you don't want someone where your face picture it is yes you don't want someone to go by with you like and so I actually told and you know and now it's out thankfully like it's actually available I know your captain VR hi Lana you've been talking that you have a VR super suit underneath that I do indeed I just rip it off a turn Point we hadn't try on on our show at Tesla sooo that works with VR where hits a actually shocked it electrically when you get yeah yeah well actually I told oculus and be ours like I want to come for your demos but we've done so many demos stories yeah and they're all of them aren't wow this is amazing this is amazing and I said look we just gotta start reviewing the stuff and that and that will be our coverage because I feel like consumers really want to know yeah you know when they're hearing it from you you're like bye-bye but I love it all right which is great but I feel like consumers really want the scoop is this stuff worth the investment is it worth the time and what games are really worth playing so I'm excited to be at home in my underwear playing my VR and then conveying how I feel about this so ensure i'm curious about this because right now in VR we're seeing a lot of experiences yeah full games resident evil will be I think one of the bigger full games that will see in the next year so next year fallout I mean I'm really excited about those but a lot of the stuff like like that man all right harken be ours is it's an experience and it's it's an amazing experience yeah but it's an experience yeah and do you think that that is the thing that gamers should be excited about or should they and maybe get into VR to try those things out and get experimental with it so that like Jeff they're sort of really familiarized with VR or is it something that it's like well maybe you should wait and then when you come into it later when full games start coming out in in force yeah then you'll be able to sort of check out those others I think this is an eternal challenge in this game industry right I think that we need to have those tests amount kind of experiences like on the wii but we also need to see that there is a product that is you cannot miss right right and I think that oculus in vibe as much as I have seen them haven't really got that everybody needs this experience you know they need that story the storied console seller right yeah you know you can define it down to boil it down to killer app but I feel like like the Scorpio now for Xbox one has a little bit of that same issue right now they talked about something that I think every fan of video game you know culture wants but we don't know why we want it yet yeah it comes down to boiling it down to we just hear teraflops they can we just go crazy yeah well why I went crazy for that I know I still don't know why yeah yeah I gotta see why another I think the VR is in that same dilemma I think the we was in that dilemma I think the d/s was in that dilemma then the 3ds was in that donut in the way you isn't it and the wii u i think it's a cyclical thing it's one of the big challenges of a tech based entertainment thing but social dynamics the business so fun and exciting and care scary and weird and you know just a perpetual thrill to cover you know well it's been awesome having you on man we really appreciate it tell people where you can find your stuff EPN TV where we're we're posting all kinds of stuff and of course like everybody else were testing a lot of content on facebook right now on our facebook page awesome then at victor underscore Lucas the race for Lucas yep well thank you so much for stopping by everybody give Vic nice round of applause yeah we thank you we are gonna be back well we're done here for the week but Jeff you've got a lot of other stuff going on yeah we're gonna be coming to you from this stage for more III coverage to stick around he doesn't know what show is on no idea I'm not leaving this stage he lives here now until everyone talks about VR tomorrow daily we'll be back next week at its regular time in place at our Burbank studio and you can go to tomorrow daily com we want to see more of our show to a future tech pop culture video games we love it and and until then vegan humans will see you guys bye you