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Roger Cheng rounder blogroll Roger people on those roger was our very first guest because there's no way you saw the first ship no way making his open tab debut to his right senior reporter a ben fox rubin yeah but then fox rubin welcome Ben you have nothing to say I don't know I'm just eager your charisma is electric I just want to sit back and write on huh it's pretty impressive pretty crazy it's pretty good as you drugs will do to you been alive and clearly we're live and we're here to wrap up the week over a few drinks and only drinks our wow that's not the prompter the way we practiced we are definitely live we are oh there I am again there you are there's been marking we're going to drink a little bit we're going to answer your questions and the way you get your questions into the the blood of the show is by typing them in the chat room whether or not you're watching a live stream on YouTube Joe Kaminski's in the back who knows what he's doing with the prompter because he's not 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eva and so bring it's a good time we're gonna start right back up in a early September right before the iphone events okay just in time for that the purple is a good time yeah yeah to start it up against the dog days of summer why not take advantage of it come on right right I things happening nothing's happening tell ya guys yeah this is nothing doing there you go let's segue into our first segment I want to talk a little bit about consoles game consoles these are video games they get played on TVs okay hmm this week what are those what you'll learn Ben Fox Rubin this week Sony announced that PlayStation al which is a well in ok service they offer on playstation 4 and vita and a few other platforms i think they just announced at that service which streams games to a device and lets you play over the internet offloads all the processing I guess I'm like a mothership somewhere where they have like render farms under you've already lost me you could never see what I'm saying it's fine my toes are spaceships and aliens involved very awesome brain you upload the virus to them so you pay twenty dollars a month it's sort of like Netflix you pay you pay 20 there's a month and you're able to stream what feels like a four hundred or so number of titles on PlayStation 3 so that's how they sort of solve the playstation 3 backwards compatibility void that was there they said okay we're gonna not let you put the discs in the thing in the console we're gonna let you stream all those ps3 games that's how they do it how good is the streaming it's a great question yeah because you'll get a stream you can stream like a movie lickety so one way street right right yeah it's a one-way street this is a two-way street there's data going up yeah most of that is coming down but there is some data coming up and now those are the inputs that you do on your controller it's not the best but it's not the worst it started out real bad it started out not good at all I was my first initial impressions of PlayStation now which was poop there's a poop out of 5 now it's a little better and now is if I poop plus 1 yeah it's like yeah like three and a half poops out of flavor five it's not bad we're still in poop tart it's lon a boob scale all right yeah you know guys like bugging the booty all right let's go yeah a lot of crap out there so it works a little better than how it started but I think for twenty dollars a month it's still may be too much to end yeah in terms of the whole backwards compatibility I mean xbox the games are frit I mean if you have the games they work and it's free watch your feet right I feel a little I feel a little chipped if it was like this was the only way I'd be able to play my back catalogue of ps3 game because you will you're one hundred percent right that's you know there's a lot of games on ps3 that I personally didn't get around to playing and you know there's games that I own like there you know I've one of the games heavy rain took me a while to play that I what happened you know now I can't just pop this in I guess I could hook up my console again but who wants to do that who wants to do that nonsense everyone's thrown there's out anyway so this is an ok solution 20 months a lot of money but I think they're almost there they're almost at the spot where streaming games is a thing you do need a really good internet connection yeah just don't wanna like dink Rinkitink why I have the low end k board yes okay you can have that entry-level fios five and five operas you gotta get back 50 50 I think it's I think the minimum is 25 in my at home I have 75 and that does it as good as it's gonna get ranked oh but that's a pretty high end it is hot on the higher end yeah sure yeah that's too much I mean 50 50 and that's fees yeah that's that's pretty pricey fifty-fifty you're gonna do okay but you're gonna spend some money so I don't know do you what do you think cloud gaming has a future I mean yeah I mean like I'm a fan of steam in terms of the using their service but I don't but a lotta that's not really clown stuff rightly yeah I guess there is stored the games or career saves or stored in the cloud but you have to physically download the game yes that's true yeah in terms of like actually like Netflix type service yeah that seems to be kind of a pain because you know if you live the family of more than full too yeah they're all using the Internet that's it starts to put a strain on definitely that pipe that whole idea of having fifty-fifty connection yeah that only works if you're the only one using that correction if someone else is streaming netflix or playing video games elsewhere that's I mean that's gonna be a crap experience right yeah they all you know drink your milkshake a little bit when it comes down to that what are you your I know Ben you're not the biggest gamer mmm you stole a bunch of games for me use a nikon d60 it's mine now i paid for dude to bite off two of his victim in the same room I didn't give him as a time I gave him my entire catalog you gotta think that like this twenty dollars a month thing but doesn't it seem overpriced to you like shouldn't it be ten dollar like everybody likes ten dollars a month for streaming sure yeah okay that seems to be pretty regular video whether it is it the different category right music and video or wise are their old games that's the old catalog they had already squeezed out all the money they were gonna get from nobody how much more i agree I know that I all we should do and you're not wrong what they should do is they should offer people who have a PlayStation Plus subscription a discounted rate for it and I should do that number one number two I think the starting rate should be if you want to do twenty dollars a month fine give me a discount for during the year they had a temporary one it was like a hundred dollars a year and I believe three months is $45 which it's way better than twenty bucks allowable that is so that's the move like I don't know who these people are paying per month like I don't know who does that anybody was like I'm gonna pay another twenty dollars again and not get like the 35 do you have even a hardcore gamer you only have so much time the day consuming you're spending your time on ps4 games so how do they justify paying that extra twenty dollars for old games right like and what like so you have you need to have a ps4 to access this right you need to have a certain sort of device like where's the where's the balance right I don't know but but that's sort of the deal with PlayStation now now it's coming to pc so you'll be able to plug in a dualshock 4 into your computer and play that service on your computer's is that a big deal is that important because I'm another piece yeah it opens it up to people who don't on a Playstation 4 right like it anybody can play the games right in your computer wait a minute wait a minute it's only ps3 games right yes yeah yeah oh yeah yeah he says it all look good but there is i mean there's a library of pretty good game for sure for sure i means pretty stock library it's there and they offer i would agree it's still expensive it's still a lot i'm i just tried you're talking about only so much money yes I don't have sold catalog yeah are they what is their last gen their last gen though they're not like you know this these aren't ps1 games I don't know obviously they already made the money off of it though they already did the budget can make more money people like it always make more money the matter with you but I know it's like stop giving them money me like no no this could be even more lucrative yeah yeah yeah I look I can't say I disagree but that's the situation where right now I think playing them on pc is there is a special sort of thing about that because everyone has a computer and you don't need a super high and compete could you just streaming stuff essentially so I think it opens it up to a different audience who maybe doesn't have a PlayStation as it is and now they can do that so yeah that's just that's the story PlayStation out all right let's move on to cloud services yeah and stuff like that loud do you so we talked a little bit about steam is there any service you use that's heavily cloud-based that you can't live without besides netflix right yeah obvious one yeah besides that one well drop box I mean that's use Dropbox yeah I don't he does i guess i'm a big drop box i was looking at you yeah i don't use it but i know a lot of people who do use made it sort of my it's sort of my nice failsafe so you pay for it no i don't i mean it's free i mean i believe how much do they give you for free uh not for me to store all my rent documents gotcha right you can't store media files but movies or photos but I mean that's a writer tits like invaluable to have that's right right I don't hear anything I only read them no no but it's a great place to secure your file somewhere else right are you working on a novel or something yeah they are we all were right right I'll have a book deal come on ya know everyone really we all y'all have book deals mom not me yeah you're behind the curve okay oh okay what about you been I got I got this that's all you need that's the only cloud you need me right quad speaking of which what is your sort of end all cloud service thing like for me Google Docs is a huge part of my course work like in my personal life yeah is are you guys attached by the hip with that now well yeah I use Google Docs constantly you know that's that's definitely helpful I've started looking into this service through amazon if you're a prime member you can download you can put in the cloud an unlimited number of photos Chris yes yes so I actually try to take photos yeah google for screws the problem this is what you do Amazon because I don't know I'm cos do they compress the files I don't know that's not but the Google compression is not it's not terribly it's like I still think it's like eight megapixels like it's yeah yeah this SLR quality phone yeah yeah yeah needless to say when I tried to take apparently I have 17,000 photos that I have stored on my laptop can I tried to move them onto the cloud and my computer basically were just like I don't feel like it you're like hey I ain't happening it's like yeah look look I'm the mid-2010 model you think I'm working that hard I'm not gonna do I got simulated I got a four more weeks on the clock and I get my have to go is creative throw me in a dumpster yeah you know I'm gonna get recycled so it didn't work so i really like this idea of backing out at night look you asked me y ashley the question so it didn't work did you google photos i could try to use google photos but I feel like it's gonna take up all over me like 10 days to upload all my photos with them in batches no I just had running for 10 days straight wow you got to set it up for like at least the weekend and you get unlimited with some women okay do it it's ready so you'll be sorry AB picks up for your photos but whatever its yeah yeah yeah cuz at this point in my life I got baby pics I got you know all sorts of important O's food photos so you need are these food guess what coupon we're sending you will you believe me be very we'd be very upset if we lost the photos these are very important course so we're not gonna lose it you don't rely photos no I'm saying that I want to store them in the clouds I want to have that backup so there was a cloud phone that you saw yes the next next bit Robin what the what is that next bit Robin is this crazy phone it was a Kickstarter project okay started off as a as this kind of crowd-sourced thing it uses the cloud for storage so it's got about like 32 gigs I might be correct I'm gonna be wrong on that 36 in a 32 gig on a heart or hardware so moco itself yeah yeah but once you exceed that point it starts to offload stuff and automatically offloads apps photos things that it knows that you don't actually use that often your sex in the cloud is a little suspect it's very interesting cuz they they've offloaded like I saw them offload Spotify right and then as soon as you it sort of gets greyed out on the phone you tap on it and it sort of read downloads really quick we all the settings are saved everything's logged in you don't have like re log into anything it's as if you never really deleted it so what does it run on runs on android and they've worked their technology so the reason why next we've got a bunch of hype was because the the key founders are all part of the original Android team so they know Andrew they like they have the institutional knowledge of Android so they know how to kind of work the operating system and really maximize its potential and they kind of use this cloud architecture as the big selling point so how's it doing idea it's not it's not how it's a it's about a year old at this point you know I came in to kick char it was got ton of hype people really pretty fun too and it is a really nice and nice looking up okay I mean I think it's done well for what it was but it's a very niche product I mean there's going after people who are like super super hardcore about Android because this is like basically a pure Android experience with cloud that it's you know it's a it's done okay for what it is but it Roger it is totally on each product not a face are you getting on the cloud I look at Arizona on their class I'm not gonna care about a thing we a lot as a lot more than you can cram onto him in the huge mass space it wasn't okay well a full terabyte it was a massive amount of space that's still that at least justifies the concept of the product right well if you're gonna get like 200 buddy cosmetics get is a reviewer trend like I was you know talking to Jessica review the product it's tough to review a phone that like you've got to like intentionally crammed up yeah you're like confuse it and like put it through its BS so it's I mean it's and it works okay but the thing of it is is especially if you've got like 32 gigs of storage it's hard for you to fill up that stores yeah really like after her like a one month or even like a two-week review period it says that sounds like one of those weird bridge products where it's like yeah this makes sense but like we're just not totally I mean I do think that that's sort of where things are going I think phones eventually will start for sure cloud like as a default but we're our network connections aren't there yet right you know if you're outside of your connections body and you like you need to download that crucial app that's in the cloud somewhere and it's like busy signal yes it's you're gonna be pissed right you're going to they're gonna do that how is Apple's supposed to price gouge us right how's that gonna work you know like you gotta think about that first I don't know they could they could do the same thing though right think I guess yours like a charge of this huge project twenty dollars a pop for the privilege of our cloud services they're fine yes all right I guess want to leave it at that thank you gentlemen for joining us today to commemorate your 100 episodes of the 359 we would like to introduce a special new beverage a brainchild of the cnet step today we premiere the official cnet red ball cocktail you Wow look at this to see that red ball cocktail my gosh cheers here too long do them anymore thank you let's taste this no spit takes all right oh wow it's quite good yes not bad this airs okay well done Brian very cinema I would drink this yeah I am I'm gonna order this bag at a party only the red ball please no this is really this is red ball I like Apple big fan of apple the fireball you put in here that's a little terror Apple the fruit by the way not the company we're not no Mac and Todd no I mean honey crisp hahaha honeycrisp jazz fuji green apple hmm Fuji that's all out good job I love apples really isn't a lot of good a really good bvg thank you so much for concocting them yeah well done man mmm tasty stuff um well thank you to joining us live on YouTube and live stream we're going to take a quick breather we're just going to drink more and we'll be back with more cool stuff to check in with you we'll see what you're writing will answer some questions but for now why don't we headed over to Vanessa and Sharon in our San Francisco office to put the brand new samsung galaxy note 7 to the test keep this tab open you get it we'll be right back this is more nerve-racking for me than the phone may be all right three two one yes Evan edge has one of the best screens we've seen in a phone but the ample real estate and sexy curves mean it's also one of the most fragile incomes the note 7 same dimensions and curved AMOLED screen but with what's perhaps a sturdier glass it's the first phone sporting corning's Gorilla Glass 5 so does this make it a stir to your phone that's why we're here so you wanted to be honest I'll go for right I'm going at about two feet okay here we go Oh three two one okay it has chalk all over it my beautiful bullseye would it totally survived hey here it is two feet my knees yeah my knee high just about okay one bullseye too whoa that sounded so bad oh we got a winner we got a winner next up we're dropping it from pocket height here we go Oh 320 and it landed screen up so we know it survives yes all right little little note 7 let's do this pocket height a little bit higher higher yep there yep three two one oh it also landed face first Oh face arson that I select over belly-up 1.6 meters is what Corning says that gorilla glass five can withstand when it's not altered so that's why we're going to this height not because we take selfies but okay here we go you should take yourself all right three two one wow you're good wolf guy oh wow wow nothing no not nothing this is more nerve-racking for me than the phone may be all right three two one perfect landing okay moment of truth moment of truth oh oh look at this it's very dramatic it's got chalk all over it but it's still rolling still perfectly fine now that we know it can survive face first both bones it's time to test the edge so we're going to go pocket height which is probably the most common place it gets dropped on the edge in three two one oh I'm on the edge not really but should we do it again yeah maybe do it like oh i like it i were to drop my head so we're going to test out the note 7 from pocket level on the side 3 2 1 0 we're gonna do a selfie level 1.6 meters from the side all right so three two one moment of truth all right is there a crack on the back no it's still good going no you're right there is a crowd there's a crack so it did break but just a little bit in the corner and in the back so we're gonna keep going and I'm going to drop it with a crack facing up three two one whoa spill good good it well let's see the back the back oh oh the back is Oh spider webs everywhere take a look at that or maybe so after multiple drops in different angles the back of this is completely destroyed but the front is intact it's perfect which is what you really care about yeah unlike this phone where the front is destroyed but the back is perfect so if I had a choice no7 note 7 baby 3 2 1 haha we should do a signal that way anyway hey welcome back to open tab that's pretty cool we just have a show where we just break stuff now I like that I wish they were a little more straightforward with the title though welcome back to the second half of open tab that's no longer Roger Cheng now Joe comincia welcome to the show by raj you guys had a little too much that I've seen that red ball I asked me Roger it apparently was a sparkle in it yeah this is this is nothing but fireball and energy ok I won't tell efficient um Joe is bringing along with himself a brand-new segment that we like to debut on open tab ok yeah it's call oh you want to introduce you know I detect that we get to see so many things is not always time to cover it yeah but maybe if we can kind of slip it in at the tail end I thought it was a good idea i'm gonna spend and brian help me slip it in ok uh anyway don't read too much it ok don't think that here's the segment we're gonna call joe and tell look at this oh looks good Joe what do you have for us today it looks like some weird steampunk lizard what is this this is called this is what you sure this isn't kindergarten what the hell is this this is called the Gecko ba it's up just like a few urgent pieces ok you build it and I built this therapist with my man Brian Van Gelder and um how much time in the day Brian probably doesn't sleep for god sakes Brian doesn't go home and be cocky drinks and making little lizards and check it out here's a here's a time lapse of youth poor people doing this when do they make these videos this is amazing these guys are so much more productive Oh than I've ever been so basically I look at it go oh that's a good video and look at that you know in eagerness or I guess our suberin suis started cutting tubes a little prematurely so I'm digging may be that some of them may be a little short and it's not getting quite all the oxygen it needs to defeat so basically what this can do it has it has a motor okay so it can not only walk Oh on a flat surface oh it gets not only work on a flat surface like steps but when build properly yeah it's supposed to be able to scale oh whoa again cuz the well yeah you can see it's a gecko like you liked it like so I think sometimes gineering issues on mine in Bryant Park which is why I'm pretty bad he's got a very loud he's kind of like a gimped Godzilla you would allow this guy forever he's my friends arm but what is this made out of connect so it's like small plastic pieces and the joints are held together by these little orange pushpins so the tubes really have so this air there ya there there's air being pumped to the suctions and it keeps foot I see Wow um you can make seven different creations from the one set you can make like a really you can make like a phone holder a suction phone holder like a suction gun in it and our inchworm and a couple other things what is the set if it connects it's Lego it's called gecko bot okay Koba come on where it's not available arently drunks it will be available later this month at michael's amazon really cold and toys r us sort of hobby an old objects well i thought yeah i thought it'd be cool a kid my initial goal was to probably and probably would have worked yes i was going to build it with my son but i had that little stretch where i was sick and it just didn't happen so Brian and I had to kind of get it built second son Brian Van Gelder excited oh my secondary all done your bearded Santa's right my Robin Hood very cool all right and what is this gonna go forward you say I'm 4995 it should be available it should be available later this month it's i mean i've i've stuck it on glass it's stuck I pulled it I've dropped it um the only thing that I'm a little concerned about is once you make this particular configuration because the hose comes in one piece right I'm not certain if you can make all the others once you cut down the piece and I see because i'm not sure i'm not sure the length of hose you need for each individual built that's the one thing i didn't find out but i'm very cool man when the stickers you could were two choices advise that but these eyes are a little friendlier so yeah these are yeah you're nice guy did you want to hold it oh please so and I mean if you look can we get a gonna look through the camera like if you look there's little like um see the little air pockets right here so we do so basically this one sucks air from this one when it releases from there it's actually pretty genius um I think it's something cool for like a father son or father daughter or a mother daughter mother son to do it of course anybody here parent and kids yeah even it's great or just kids or just parents well it says 48 year-old eight-year-olds 8 and up um I think maybe I was a little too far up yeah that's why we're all in that up category Oh Walker if I don't use the hoses at all it just means the suctions won't exactly okay he's all right I got it it looks pretty nice how long did this take um Robbie like I've made me maybe like an hour oh oh it may have been longer because you know when you're just sitting there around um like I said we got a little premature with cutting the hose so like I noticed that I like you know there may not be may be some air restriction going to a couple it's okay couple of movies hey if anyone it's special because it's on what anyone who get to just the measure out the hose also we had that you know we translated from centimeters doing to you that's that's immediately ok Joe so Joe you're here to not only show us the Gecko bot but you wanted to share maybe some of the calm did we have any comments and questions there was one question from a comment or ma TN he wanted to know this is back to the streaming do you think that is the future of gaming mmm that's the hump that's the million-dollar question I don't know right now I'm not convinced but that doesn't mean it can't be the future I just don't think we're there yet I think it is the future but you know we don't know what the timeline is going to be so eventually it is going to be that and to me that seems pretty obvious like it's all going to be cloud-based once you I've internet fast enough once you get processors fast enough blah blah blah but we don't know if that's ten years from now 15 years from now or what have you or that's what I would what for next month well I think where they can where they could probably get some momentum is if instead of looking at older catalogs if maybe you give people earlier views at things that are up-and-coming like like like like an early stream of like an early upcoming demo or made it like kind of like what they do with the PlayStation Plus where they give you earlier just a beta testing right like that hard you even more for that I'm saying but if you can get something sooner via cloud right but here's the thing like we just got finished saying how that it's not there yet so that's not necessarily a platform that they would want to utilize with I like that point you know I'm saying like if I'm getting to play the brand new ps4 game I want that to be the best possible examiner forward without way I think after well I think that's also where comes to like the Internet service providers because I mean we're very fortunate to have a very fast connection here and I think what happens and even even for me at home because I have time on a cable at home you have that influx because like one minute you can be hitting like 200 megs the next minute maybe your neighbors on the internet because that next amount of people want to know and you're losing bandwidth maybe for people like with fios of that constant connection it may be a better experience but for like people like me with the time warner cable account would just fluctuates yeah that's where the experience does vary all right very good I think we're gonna have to call it at that I think we should you think we should think we should you want to go home well no I want I didn't get my red ball it's kind of good I almost want finished my right I mean it's okay thank you everyone for joining us a big thanks to Ben Fox Rubin Roger ten Joseph kaminski and BBG in the control room there is aa we will be back next week with a brand new episode until then have a very safe a very fun weekend if you are partaking partake responsibly that's not something we don't stay on the show even though we seem to do it irresponsibly what's that let me say Friday nights are great and go out to the bar and have yourself a scene at Red Bull bright tell them i saw a scene at Red Bull on the internet but you need to know how to make 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