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good morning on Wednesday April nineteenth it's episode 213 we got noisy neighbors in the studio yeah let's get rowdy welcome to the 359 podcast I'm BBG joining us say we have Roger Cheng Ben Fox Rubin and Aaron Carson all the way from Louisville yeah mmm thanks for joining us yeah thanks for having me Thanks to everyone on the chat already yes second and so on their way we're gonna be talking about Facebook's developer conference i'm gonna try not to make any facet various jokes I'm just dead did I you've already the records also a joke trying not to make any jokes they they made many terrible jokes for us so know if you saw the beginning of that conference but it was it was pretty awkward I didn't see it when when geeks try to be funny on stage scripted that's the entire point of this show yeah right and it's a bad show yeah but we're not being funny we're being competent it's two different things speaking of speaking of i know will be talking about Facebook I they're pushed for AR augmented reality and we have Aaron on to talk about the logged out series it is a package of stories that deals with death and the did your way death and estate planning so very it's a bit of a grim subject but also very useful very useful very important in speaking of Facebook what to do with your facebook profile so as always if you have any questions Brian will pick out the best ones we will get to them in three minutes and 59 seconds from 32 welcome to the 359 when we talk about the top tech news of the day now if the crap we want to throw in I'm Roger Cheng I'm Ben Fox Rubin and with us a special guest and Carson our star reporter from Louisville she's here to talk about logged out seen that serious about how to deal with death in the social network age but before we get to that we want to talk about that other social network Facebook and it's f8 developer conference a big story from yesterday was Facebook's push in augmented reality rather than a set of glasses like microsoft's hololens though it really wants to give your phone the power to create and share a our experiences you guys had a chance to kind of look at that france today what did you think of the the demonstrations there the demos some of these ideas seem just kind of like either gimmicky or creepy to me i don't really like them in some ways like the AR and the vr stuff that they were presenting were solutions without problems i don't know if you agree with me on that but still in the gimmicky phase i would say a lot of it was frankly was just copying snapchat and connectors which are insanely popular if you're a snapchat user you're loving those filters and a lot of it the first step for AR i think any Facebook kind of tassili did that on stage was like basically copying snapchat like we're gonna that's our business plan right but then you know their big push their their second act as nukka brooke says is really to to push a are in a way that makes it useful that doesn't get like gimmicky like you said like it's an actual legit thing so Aaron what do you think about it so Zuckerberg on stage at least reference the idea of having like augmented reality glasses so you're kind of walking around in vh1's pop-up video or something like would you wear those it seems like a really horrible idea to me but maybe it's just me yeah i mean i think that there's still kind of like a psychological barrier for a lot of people in terms of thinking do I want to have this piece of hardware yep on my face Google glass is the best example right the glass whole term came out because of that exactly and so you know you have a couple different battles there's the one that says is this even possible in terms of technology and how far along are we but also can you get people on board with just the concept you're still work to do there I think technically it's possible but I think the bigger challenge is the call how do you get people into wearing glasses like this all right so next up we want to hit a more serious note with logged out and you wrote a couple pieces for this package including how to get your digital affairs in order before you pass what did you find what are some of the tips that like we need to be doing if we're preparing ourselves for our own demise sure so main idea is that once upon a time if you died your estate executives would maybe go into your house and look through your bills and figure out what accounts you had and be able to take care of them that way but with the proliferation of online accounts it's very possible that they're not going to know what exactly you have yeah all your different obligations and exactly what if the Month Club I think you mentioned story exactly right you know if there's pairs turning up on your doorstep that was not a new year hey you know um and so you know a good place to start is just to inventory what you have there's an estimate that says that the average person has about 90 accounts Wow yeah once you sit down and you actually start figuring listing yeah all of a sudden you buy that number real quick and you need to kind of make a determination what you want to happen to those accounts do you want it to be memorialized you want it to be deleted who handles this is the same person as the person who takes care of your estate for example is that from a social network perspective is there anything you need to do is or get your affairs settled there like you have to create a craft a plan for someone like a look after what happens in that situation sure so a good thing to do is if you are working with an estate planner you're going to want to leave the proper documentation so that your executives can actually go to these social networks with whatever the documents they need are right and and be able to say like yes what we want to do is in line with what this person wanted so you're really just trying to make it easier for the folks who have to deal with you after you're gone yes very helpful stuff for more on that I check us out on cnet i'm roger cheng i'm done fox rubin not marin Carson thanks for listening alright so let's jump right back in the chat will start taking your questions now and hangs David is very impatient he wants to know how exactly AR is going to work for facebook so let's give him like a laundry list of some of the examples that we saw at the keynote I think one of the examples was a basically this all works through your phone the facebook app has a camera I think most of the apps now have some sort of camera function to it and the idea is that they're reaching out developers today yesterday to really try to build these kinds of filters or otherwise augment what you're seeing on the camera so it's not just the selfie but also the rear camera so you you know you paint sure you you point your camera at you know a sign or restaurant and the idea is like the information we come up or you'll be able to manipulate images manipulate your face by adding filters you know like you puking rainbows or whatever and that's snapchat that snapchat one of the ideas that was also mentioned as like your you're kind of bored of the doctor's office you can use your phone to look at a blank table and then play some version of like whack-a-mole right that you can you know kind of play like a silly little game using a are so you're you're integrating you know the world around you and overlaying it with some sort of like gamification well you're like sitting around and bored yeah I think one thing they mentions the idea of taking a 2d image and adding some depth to it like basically take a view of a foot of a room and you can sort of manipulate it like left and right so there's some depth to it you can add like official balls or skittle that make you fill a room with skittles and so through so the importance Diana very important yes this is rather this is all very early days for augmented reality sure sort of shows off what you can do I think the idea is by reaching out to developers you actually find more useful applications for this stuff down the line right it isn't necessarily you know all about filling room skittles or so you think so to try to qualify this how would a r be the future of communication that's a really good question I mean it kind of hard to second kind of communication is how we communicate now right with snapchat especially if you're a youngin yeah uh where's Alfred I know I know he's on vacation he's gotta take a break every once na no he doesn't he's a child we can't say that on there can I say that oh wait he's over 18 wait to find out if he actually watches the show that he's on when he's not on it of course not uh but no it the idea is like we already communicate with filters right we we alter the way we look to show our emotion show how we're feeling we send off to other people this is just sort of taking a next progression to it absolutely Matthew dacher in in the chat he wants to switch gears over to to death because we're having a solid laughing time here today speaking of death is there a good Deadman switch in other words services to send my passwords and other information to trusted parties you've you wrote about a couple of these idea if i don't respond to prompts after several days though yes so there's a few options out there a one person i interviewed used a service called houses directive communication systems and that's kind of this like one-stop shop where it Corral's every account you have every wish that you have for that account and kinda helps helps get all of that settled once you are gone well the important thing to remember because there are multiple services out there that do different things like you know if someone contacts them and is like hey Bob died this week let's shut it all down what you really have to be careful of is all of your accounts don't get wiped before the people that need info in those counts get the info right right so you can have have to ask decision is there like that what the questioner with the common room asked like is there is that that actual Deadman switch were like if you don't check in every 30 days like they'll shut it all down is that option doesn't that sounds dangerous though like I don't know totally dangers in their time out in facebook though I thought there was where if like you just ignored your account they might just you know on the other side over to Lee they don't know but you don't actively delete gotcha yeah the google account manager has sort of like an in a period of inactivity that you can specify if you don't know log into your account in like a year or something like that you can set up a function to have it deleted for example but as far as I've seen so if I don't think there's just one switch that I'll just take everything down no it's totally impractical but like I imagined for folks out there there's some interest in something like that you're not a bad idea I mean it's definitely becoming something what was the the statistic were here the other day there's more dead people on Facebook than alive or something like that I really well not now Black Knight now so but in the near like in the next 20 years or something Oh it'll completely shift oh I mean that's yeah that's I'm sure there'll be a point where are a battery oh yeah we're not there yet but that is a black bear hands look you're just interacting with dead people all the time like some bizarre Grim Reaper whose job it is to go out and just start eradicated old accounts or something like that way Wow is so sad right I like I like Mike Shaw a suggestion just scheduled tweets so you can tweet from the grave mmm pretty good that is something I would do that's what money service Oh wasn't there one service that you mentioned where you can have like recorded messages sent to people like after you die and arguably you can do it like a year or ten years or whatever afterward which sounds kind of cool yeah um is called dead social and you can leave messages or videos they're kind of whatever you want um the way that you kind of kick it off is somebody has to inform them that you've died but you can kind of leave as many messages as you want so I guess theoretically you could decide that it's not at all creepy to wish family members happy birthday heiser or something like that or like leave like a treasure somewhere you know I'm cold breath I married a million dollars ago bullied here's a map to a great way to mess with people right yes you got like a really wicked sense of humor that is slightly yeah yeah nubs also points out that while the dead man switch is a great theory I tend to go offline for months at a time ya be dead pretty frequent no that's that that would be the real week I went well you should be i would like to manually set that though it's like I probably won't check facebook for like three to four or five six months or something like that I know that don't erase me for like a year i think my probably i forget about it yeah right like after like yeah after both of it like uh did I what happened all my accounts why are the only a future in the future people will actually think you had died and when you come back on Twitter they'd be like Roger you were dead we had a funeral let me eyes it won't be Twitter let's go but certainly won't be Twitter sorry at jack yeah alright swinging back over to AR does the AR stuff work with any phone or specific phone with two or more cameras specifically citing lenovo project tango that's from our friend yahoo that's a great question i mean he wasn't really clear i think the idea is that they want to create a platform for his many people as possible so logically that would be every phone and he will any phone basically that has a facebook yeah dog material the the project tango phone that he's referring to i think it was the lenovo fab to pro is which is a giant monster of a phone that no one owns it has multiple cameras for depth sensing and it definitely AR to the next level its way it's way more advanced than your typical phone but i don't think that's what facebook is going for here they're starting little bit more kind of a rudimentary level that's because they want to get as many people as possible to use this stuff and a fab to pro is not gonna be it and this isn't going to result in fab to pro sales skyrocket obviously has anybody got any prospective compare and contrasting facebook AR experience versus hololens i think they're pretty different I mean this is faisal through these folks variances to the phone so with like Pokemon go whereas hololens like you wear this heavy headset and it's a katani screen that floats in front of you you could sort of see what's going on there's a minimal interaction to it but it it's the same principle but it's done in a very different way by the way we didn't talk about Facebook spacing right we there we are talking so much about AR yeah this is the VR hangouts where you can basically like we could be doing the podcast in VR we're like bvg is I don't know like in Jamaica and you just by poured in and we're all like in a virtual reality space doing something that was also another demos like I think they showed a demo where we're all one space one woman's brag about this new apartment she just got just like clicked a button like the VR space turned into the apartment so they could all share that experience to see what it's like that's what I want is a better way to for somebody to brag yes yeah and that's what technology is all about right you're not wrong oh you could also like take selfies while in the VR right you take facebook video calls so Lexus someone who doesn't have a VR headset they could still join in the conversation via the video feed my problem with all this is like you need to have like a super expensive oculus set with a nice computer to run all this yeah and so the social elements a little damaged by the fact that you not everyone can take part in this I mean eventually like everything that will become a little more consumer it's cheaper to the line for sure bread but it goes back to what I was thinking is that what exactly is the solution like what is what is it solving their that you're actually going to spend potentially thousands of dollars or like let's say even a thousand dollars like why is it how is it making my life that much better how is it actually improving things beyond a Skype phone call or a regular phone call or like texting somebody that's why like I have a bit of skepticism about this because there's a there's definitely like a high like there's there's a big expense attached to it at this point yeah yeah be interested to call out to the chat see if anybody is kind of on board to the arv are trained who's excited about it who's auntie MMA rvr who things like i haven't used facebook in years what the hell you guys talking about we got to wrap it up soon that we apologize for all the regulars that we're going a little early today and cut a little short today we've got a big project this afternoon we had to work on a special guest coming in I'm not going to you about but I'm going to teach you to keep an eye on cnet to learn more very sunny so one more to close it out with and this is kind of a fascinating idea Assad remarks that he recalls Mark Zuckerberg saying something about being able to write a comment just by thinking about it uh I hate this idea oh yeah no no that's gonna happen I think there's been working on I hate decide they're all working on it Google Facebook they're all working on like brains all right so knowledge an attached to tell me I'm gonna demonstrate what that's going to be like without the technology this afternoon just check my facebook around four o'clock there'll be 67 posts about pizza and here's here's what I think about that idea I'm doing all right now that was that was illuminating smooth very smartly the both disciple you've ever been on their show thank you thank you here this is this is my response to what you just said screw you all right if you liked anything you saw her dear check us out on CNN or podcasts also available on itunes tune in stitcher SoundCloud feedburner and google play music see you all tomorrow thank you aaron for joining us thanks Aaron right Aaron bye everybody you