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another good morning to you on Wednesday November second it's time for episode 134 of the 359 podcast with Roger Cheng and pin Fox Rubin hey guys hey morning yeah are you doing hi that was so funny hello there person that I am familiar with hello sir uh greetings everyone 22 on YouTube mm-hmm shut up then Wow nice to be back Roger thank you uh so we've got another busy day for you lots of great headlines we were talking about the results of cnet's iphone 7 plus pixel video shoot out um the winner may surprise you or not otherwise we'll talk about Samsung's bid to make an all screen phone and lastly amazon trying to learn business through our kids yes yeah it's the easiest way to get your money it is it's very clear if you're if you're a parent if you're not then it's a terrible idea at all but for us as parents we we would take a consideration for the surface right sure yeah yeah maybe not yet not yet for us right it's a monthly subscription I don't know how many people want to get a mobile app with that but we'll talk about that on the show all right let's uh let's get it going as always if you have any questions leave them in the comments section Brian a producer will pick out the best and we'll plan sirum Riley's try alright this is a pretty chill show already look at make it happen let's do this alright studying the recording in three two welcome to the 339 we talked about the top tech news of the day and all the other crap we want to throw in I'm Roger Cheng I'm Ben Fox ribbon so cnet's extensive tests are done and we have a winner in the video shoot out between the iphone 7 plus and the pixel and while the pixel won the photo shoot out apple phone actually came out on top this time yeah surprising or not I mean maybe yeah I I think that what was interesting to me about this is that the image stabilization wasn't as good with the Google pixel yes I remember on stage google made a very big effort to show that this is this is a big you have to keep in mind that Apple actually has a physical image ization component there so that's what makes it better google has a software one mm-hmm and as you sort of rightly know like Google could theoretically make it better through software updates right and you know right now it's just for the camera it's not for the video camera which is kind of weird mr. so the physical difference that you're mentioning is the fact that the iphone 7 plus has two cameras no no it actually has like a physical image stabilization mechanism inside and so google says they argued with the the pixel that you know the software can do just as good and it can be tweaked a little bit more writing with software updates so it can constantly improved so it's sort of like the the headway or four for the pixel phone is a little bit higher theoretically then than the iphone yeah it definitely makes I think the decision making for people a little bit harder obviously would have been nice from seeing his perspective to be like look if you want the best camera for photos and videos get the google pixel now it's a little bit more of an awesome little bit mixed yeah because it's like obviously video is becoming such an important component for everybody so it's it's definitely a valuable thing for people to do and if you take a lot more videos maybe you do want to consider the iphone 7 plus then just know just to list out the advantages for the iphone we're color image to the stabilization sharpness contrast low-light shooting in zoom and the pixel did lead in the speed for autofocus and it sometimes had nicer exposure when the iphone had kind of went overboard with brightness so some some positives for the pixel but yeah if you're interested in shooting video the iphone 7 plus is the phone for you right i would probably also argue that for most regular consumers you might notice the difference that's true you know so they're probably both very very good cameras so as that's concerned next up a report out of korea's cited a samsung executive saying that the galaxy s eight could be ninety percent screen so almost all scream no just to just to note most phones now about eighty percent screen so it's about a ten percent bump doesn't seem like a lot but that's that could make a big difference that sounds really cool how it looks right so the rumors are that the iphone 8 whatever they're going to call it is also gonna do yeah that's also going to do it so the expectation for 2017 is that you're going to be seeing a lot of phones without I don't like these terms of chin or a forehead yeah yeah or at least a minimized one right yeah and and more excitingly the engineers saying the symptoms really pushing to cover ninety nine percent of the phone which is amazing really cool I think said a lot i just got any frame around the phone I I would argue that a lot of people are really getting phone fatigue and I think that that is definitely something that could get a lot of people excited about phones again and be like you know you just get a lot more immersive and much more screen for edit the same size which is kind of cool and it just didn't know that I'm Xiaomi he's kind of done this already with the me mix which is almost people very excited about that yeah even though it's kind of a concept and it's it's actually not quite all screen like they advertised when you look at it closely last amazon just came out with a new mobile app for kids reading called amazon rapids it's 299 a month and it's it's kind of this clever little take on kids reading where is basically original stories told through text messages yeah so is this something that you would be into I don't know what's the age range for this was the intended agent at seven to 12 so you're feeling I call yeah I'm about seven years away from considering this I don't know it's little it's clever because it uses a medium that the kids are gonna be familiar with totally um but I don't know it's just I haven't quite figured out how much screen time like it's gonna have so yeah yeah monthly cost i think is a little bit steep at this month yeah it's but i do like the idea so we'll see what happens at Turnham amounts to one children's book 01 children's book a month right jordan less than that yeah so I mean in that sense it's kind of a good deal for a short period time I don't know if I want to be on the hook for for like several years on the surface so I guess Apple ID / more about these stories check us out Cena I'm Roger Cheng on Ben Fox Rubin thanks for listening and we're back to hit up the chat and thanks everyone for all the kind words we're happy to have you hey to Iran hey to Puerto Rico I Seattle all right hey everybody and our old buddy Michael Brown right around our favorite the answer to the title no oh okay Wow yeah he iphone out shoot the pixel no okay apparently he did the similar test as we did he and a co-worker between new york and DC took side-by-side photos just me but what is it what videos comes to a says he specifies photos okay pictures were closed in between but the pixel was a clear winner in his book so look what we had we found similar results with the cameras as well for photos just to be clear this test was for videos we did pretty extensive one's side by side and alleys to our our experts eyes the iphone 7 plus one out on video again not photos on video yeah and i would say that on the photo side it is a bit of an embarrassment fried for the iphone the iphone has been very well known for having you know one of the best cameras out there so the fact that Google edge them out oh my no I don't know if it's an embarrassment I mean it's like the edge them out I mean sure Apple's had a great reputation for a solid cameras phone I don't think that changes like it still has a very excellent phone or camera I don't know if it's an embarrassment I think it's a surprising win it's a it's a nice coup for for google especially for like a first generation phone yeah that's a damn that's not it's not exactly established right it's not like this he drew is it was samsung that might be a big a deal right totally well Samsung's been making a big deal about their cameras yesteryear did you know talking about low light saying it's a good their cameras are great yeah but it's always kind of be like toss up so they're not exploding cameras sorry not exploit versions right it's are avoidable here's a note from robert iphone limits 4k recording 25 minutes for video because google offers free storage to pixel yeah do they limit 4k recording as well that's it's a very good question I don't know you have no idea none of us have touched the pixel yet yeah is has one in the office that's really get my hands on it we should go bug him after this and bring back in phone I'll just right now see you guys avail now well we will get an answer to you guys about that because that's an interesting point I mean they would add for limiting your 4k video is kind of small because that eats up so much of your storage Oh totally if you were just shooting 4k video non-stop I don't know how long it would take for your for you to hit your limit but it wouldn't be that long it won't be that long it is kind of cool that you can shoot in 4k if you do want to blow up the video otieno at that point so its knowledge that's kind of like a standard feature now right having 4 a high phone pronto for a couple years now or at least you yeah they've been saying in the chat iphone camera hasn't been up to snuff since the 5s is that true I don't know I feel like that the combination of software and hardware as sort of kept apple of above the pack in terms of camera quality I'm going back to what I said during the podcast I do believe that if you're going to get a flagship phone from samsung apple or now the Google pixel most consumers probably aren't going to tell these small differences and this is for people that are like really really big shutter bugs or they love taking a lot of video maybe you're going to notice like some some really significant differences there are some nice differences if you're going to pick this one over the other one but generally speaking those three you know sets over there you're gonna they're they're generally good you're not gonna go wrong yeah it's way better than like if you were gonna get like an entry-level phone you know so ejc TV says the pixel is a bad knock off of the Apple phone and Apple should sue them this is entirely that's good Apple has sued company 2444 less more than a few times it definitely it my my immediate impression when I saw the Google event was that there were there were obvious elements that made it look like an iPhone because it had the rounded edges um it's for me it was like always i'm it was a metal frame with the the antenna lines that kind of look like the previous generation iphone it i don't know it's got a glass back you know and they have it they have the fingerprint sensor fingerprint sensor in the back row big it's different i think there is a lot of these phones given that they'll kind of use the same mitoonam they're all gonna kind of look alike li you can look at the galaxy s7 yeah well that kind of looks a lot like the iphone to like that's why i like the edges the Samsung edge phones do kind of pushes design a little bit differently and you can immediately identify those I'm still annoyed by those hedges like the timing right I haven't spent a ton of time with them I just when I say it's gotten better I so I'm not happy with my ass dicks edge cuz the the curvature is just so dramatic that you can't like hold it as well no no when you're typing like the edge of those typewriter the keyboard is a little bit on the fe side like you you miss type a bit so yeah they fix it a bit with the last version okay and then they start making well hopefully so it's maybe people will go more toward the s8 than the s8 edge because if you're gonna get so much more screen real estate right then maybe you don't need the edges as money i mean the edge is a cool aesthetic feature but i don't know if it's really that useful and so i know if i want to buy a phone for like like that edge well when they first came out with what was it was the note edge yeah that was the first one yeah um everybody thought it was a gimmick or a lot he wasn't bought it yeah in one side so i was surprised that they kept building on it but I mean look at let them stand out from the pack mmm Mitchell says the LGV 20s of superior camera overall interesting it's funny we just I think our reviews either up now or was posted recently no one seems to care about the phone I feel bad cuz it's a decent phone it's not their marketing it it's a metal phone that has a removable back which is kind of nice no one else really has that now you know the LG is kind of kept up with that that whole like removable battery you know SD card slot on all the stuff which is a huge money safe kind of nice yeah but no one seems to care about that phone I don't know why like like carriers aren't support I mean they're they're selling it I guess but they're not like really promoting it yeah you know a huge amount of attention for that phone I saw a commercial for it I think yesterday the day before so I think LG is trying to promote it a little bit more so maybe we don't know I imagine after the the g5 blow up that they had been a little bit more cautious about this launch sorry what's that the last phone that the LG g5 which is our flagship for March really just completely did not do well now I just failed well yeah people just didn't want the whole much this is a backbone okay very good camera great screen like super high-end specs battle between the iphone and the pixel no one's really consciousness Thea was hopeful the modular phone was gonna work out I thought that was kind of a cool idea I was a cool idea it's just I don't know whatever Michael phone we were talking about James Bond before I thought that would be a kind of James Bond phone you would you know snap on the Taser function yes and bad guys hmm so q is just an app developer now yeah well very rare the hips are guided employ for love let's not get back to this conversation I don't need your YouTube audience through our hatred of James Bond no no my Brian hatred of Jews yeah actually no James I like somebody wants to whatever dan Pony have a pre pre show that you guys are going to some time dan posed a really good question if cameras will actually cause people to switch from iOS to Android and vice versa I'm interested to hear feedback about that in the chat I don't yeah if you guys have two cents on that but I'm more interested in I would say no I mean I think the camera is a still a huge factor I think it's a bigger factor if your are an Android user because it determines which android deployed device you're gonna buy it's less of a factor if your iOS versus Android because i feel like the the transition from one operating system to another is so annoying and so painful that people rather would not do it and both Google and Apple have done a really good job of like keeping you in their respective ecosystems whether it was like services like Gmail or apps or whatever from the google side or like I to deny cloud on the Apple side it's come a pain to switch so and I know they've both tried to make it easier by like used like offering apps that allow you to kind of transition it's still the the differences in how you use iOS versus how you use Android are still significant enough that like you're gonna become annoyed the first couple of weeks using it I think Google is definitely trying to play that card though I think I really did their presentation they were they were saying that they benchmarked their camera and it was described as the best camera ever so they were definitely trying to use it as leading because that's that firm had not come out with a report on the seven plus yet oh so it was like really misleading it was a camera at the time I don't actually know what the score was the plus then if they actually had come out but it was that a well-known benchmark company by the way cuz it has obscured mdx oh yeah okay yeah alright that's good to know switching gears back to the essay what will the other cool feature be besides the screen more screen um I don't know no no what they give you were having a dog every like screen so we got a screen for your screen so you can screen while you scream hahaha sorry I had to bring back an old name for that one um I don't know what else what else that's that thing that's the issue that I feel like maybe Samsung is trying to play it play play to the basic and play cool after the note 7 was such a horrifying launch I think they want to get the s8 out there yes a sure that it doesn't explode right it's explosively good sire duck heavy ballsiest thank you my daughter um right I think that what are the problems with the note 7 was that maybe they tried to cram too much in there yeah too quickly and it caused some problems so my expectation would be that they're gonna make a really good screen and hopefully not try to add too many I mean I betcha the retina scanner that showed up in the node 7 they might that might pop into the note for the day assayed um in terms of other features are there any other kind of wish list features that are left like that you really really need or want the bigger screen is I still feel like the bigger screen is one of those things that's really going to help push forward smartphones yeah and and actually make them more interesting looking I'm very different material maybe it's a ceramic instead of glass you're made out of wood or concrete motorola tried that a would funk bamboo bamboo back seriously yeah I don't remember that moto am I had just exploded customize the back with leather bamboo all kinds of different materials good lord they've tried everything oh yeah so the other things better I'm gonna mention this the other thing that we've been waiting for and this is probably a couple years down the line are like bendable and rollable phones yeah so that'll that'll maybe be somewheres not you like it's not next year you know you know 23 years it's really not the favorite isla node showed it off they showed off bendable wearables and phones that were concept devices it's the the challenge isn't the screen it's like getting all the material everything underneath the components underneath right the battery like how do you got a battery right yeah how you roll a battery I don't know they are gonna figure it out though oh yeah they have to get us to keep buying devices this is what they're working on and what are the rumor mills obligatory about the iphone 8 already we've heard wireless charging while charging you all screen removal of the home button those are those are pretty big ones those are those again rumor mill yeah we're hearing it the same you know yeah we don't actually know apple doesn't talk to us specifically they talk to other folks have seen that they just don't care about us it is interesting that we are already rumor in the iphone the new one from next I don't like two months 7z I must have just came out well I mean Scott and I wrote a story about the iphone 8 like two or three days after the know what I would you know what I would really love for the iphone 8 that they bring back the headphone jack I'm not happy we had the courage to admit we were wrong I completely agree why come out with macbooks that have the headphone jack if you have the courage to get rid of them in your iphone like yeah how does that make any sense yeah I think that was was that Sean's complain somebody complained that was not my idea somebody somebody else from cnet mentioned that in the story um I'm sure there was a dongle mania story that we wrote yeah have we heard anything about a 4k display with the s8 okay with Roche on phones though are you really gonna tell the difference no but I wouldn't be surprised if somebody will care yeah I'm it again obviously it's a marketing point well you know there are four K phones out there Sony makes 4k display on its experience of high-end Xperia phones I wouldn't be surprised if Samsung loaded it said they just love specs you know they just identify extra features you you would have to like stare directly into it actually tell the difference I think by this right which I guess for VR maybe it makes it does makes for VR okay all right then that is use actor say my son's for k's i miss efficient like to like our truly immersive experience by your phone like you need like an 8k display or something hmm dad so there are there are practical uses for it that most people can't imagine that being said we're not really good what VR that much 4k displays are not mainstream quite yet other than that sony phone that you just mentioned and maybe some others but totally DJ that's not that's probably not coming next year either so just waiting on the whole videos that's further down the line and yeah most people don't use VR so it's not an issue but adding the 4k element plus a high refresh rate to a phone that definitely helps with the wealthy are you know what i would like to see if you could use the surface dial on a phone not for mine that's a dark actually haunted phone it's like too big the display what about day uh um i just totally lost Oh lost my train of thought for a second but if they ditch the Lightning port and go USB see that would make a lot of is amazing that would make its atoms at all so Apple makes way too much money off of the Lightning port because you know copies accessory makers charges yeah hey Apple good for the rights to officially use lightning so whereas USBC is a broad standard then I don't know maybe somebody in Switzerland is getting paid for it but it's certainly not Apple someone from Intel it's an intel-based Press that right mm-hmm that's rotten it's like like the original USB was Intel so does USB I don't know the answer this at all does USB can you be used for audio the same way lightning can be yeah yes yes okay can that's the thing that's why i feel that most of these other companies going to drop the headphone jack as well just go with us pc that's right yeah yeah shanklin wrote about that recently so the intel has talked about the audio like the benefits of using a USB see instead of knowledge as so in theory the google pixel could have lost the headphone jack as well it is i just want courageous enough they would learn courageous at all uh no it's gonna happen you know we're gonna see more and more phones that just drop everything except for a USBC port it's gonna happen or maybe to you think I don't know about this we'll see Oh dongle phone telephone all right yeah it's uh it's kind of one for me now because I've got like I've got 15 headphones like hanging around the house but I'll have to find like the one specific one that only works on this phone my god mine I don't like it at all anyways let's let's wrap things up let's get out of here yeah thanks everybody is but five questions yes if you idea that you saw her shirred here check us out on cnet our podcasts also available on itunes tune in stitcher SoundCloud feedburner and google play music and check us out on sina com why don't changement thanks for that assist see his tomorrow see y'all tomorrow thanks not me