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welcome to 359 I'm Joni Salzmann David Katz Meyer is joining us too so Katz why are you are our television guru and you recently updated your advice about cutting the cord it's never been more viable to cut the cord but that doesn't mean that it's easy or simple what would you what's kind of the most important thing that you think people should consider when they're thinking about getting out of a regular pay TV subscription yeah I mean that's the real thing it's like if you've never had cable then it's easy you know you know what you're getting but if you're one these people have decided hey you know I've had cable for a long time I got a DVR I'm used to these kinds of things when you go to you know get rid of it you're gonna be losing some stuff so the main thing to consider is the money you're gonna save you know if you have just internet versus your bundle versus your packaging I always tell people try to negotiate with your cable company call them up or if there's a couple in your neighborhood if you're lucky enough to have some competition come up and be like hey dude I'm quitting cable can you cut me a deal so the best way in that sense to cut the cord is to not cut the cord well that let's say they can't match your price you know because there's one thing to consider then then you go okay fine time to cut the cord then you can consider one of these live TV streaming services or you can put up an antenna those are the two best ways to get sort of the replacement for cable the other thing is if you're a sports lover make sure that you know this particular team that you follow is gonna be available that's really the main thing that keeps a lot of people on cable is these regional sports networks where you the only way to get it is if you have your cable subscription but a lot of new live TV streaming services like FUBU TV like YouTube TV actually do have these are SNS now so they actually allow you to go ahead and do that it's really cool what about beyond live TV stuff that you'll be losing what about on demand things do you think that there's ways that people can cobble together a package that works for them yes I feel like you know Hulu is your friend if you really like these a lot of on-demand Hulu which you know just the basic service has a tremendous amount of stuff available on demand really if you're watching on demand cable is the worst way to do it I mean between Netflix Hulu and even you know the net work apps if you want to go that deep available on any of these devices you can get a lot of stuff available immediately to stream and you don't have to worry about a cable suggestion to do that what about people you know part of the problem with cutting the cord is that it's so hard to figure out what it is how you can get those things that you want because everybody is in an individual they all have different tastes and priorities what do you recommend for people who may not know about things that are available to them are there Ed is there anything out there that people might not be aware that they could try yeah the easiest thing is to just sit down and write down your list of must-haves shows and it's a lot harder if you have a family you know everybody has to be considered you know and figure out which shows you can live with which shows in live without which networks they're on it takes a little bit of work but then once you have that list the internet is your friend and it CNET for example you have a whole list of for example all the various channels carry it on each of these like TV services whether they're actually available in your area for example ABC NBC CBS and Fox are only available in you know most of these metropolitan areas if you live a little bit further away from the city you might not be able to get them so you know those sorts of things you're gonna have to figure out on your own or again if you want to put up an antenna that's a whole other thing and that's a great way to save a lot of money on your cables refuse to put up an antenna see what you get because you they're cheap you can connect it to your TV right now and just kind of experiment so moving on do you remember that's Marriott hotel chain cyberattack from a few weeks ago well it turns out that it may have been bigger and more insidious than we thought there's a report and in about an investigation into that attack that appears to indicate it's part of a wider Chinese spying effort David have all these cyber attacks have they changed at all how you consider your own digital profiles exposure well I'll tell you one thing I do have a monitoring service and I get a lot more emails you know about this so I actually got the little alert you know but Marriott and and and you know that bothers me but it's one of these things where you know it's it's just around all the time and it kind of doesn't surprise me that Oh China is behind this or Heil North Korea is behind that or whatever like it's it's become weaponized and you know it's a little bit scary but I feel like as long as you're you're smart you use I use like a password protection service for example pass you use one of these things you're taking steps in the right direction I think credit monitoring is also a really good thing especially you know if you have some credit to protect then quickly there's also a story out from czar Stephen Shanklin it's about Intel with a new type of breakthrough 3-d chip stacking called faux voz the idea is that it'll bring a kind of processing that previously is used for artificial intelligence and machine learning but has been really expensive make it much more affordable and that means there might be a reason for you to upgrade your PC in the next couple of years you can check out that story and all the rest at cnet.com I'm Joni salzman I'm David Katz Myer thanks for listening speaking of the chips I was just threatening last episode to replace everybody on the show with AI BOTS that I build myself so you can stand by for that look at 29th you'd be surprised let's be honest here for a second I want natural intelligence darkness the full flavor I don't know natural intelligence on this show usually ends up with me screwing up something or been completely botching the intros putting that out there everybody it's time to go ahead and send your questions to come and some of you already have been so thank you for that let's keep this conversation going let's start off going right back to the beginning and talking a little bit more about cutting the cord now I'm a big proponent of it have been for a long time let's talk about what services we personally subscribe to and why maybe to kind of set this stage the first one I signed up for was Netflix I was a very early adopter as excited about that jumped on the Hulu train shortly after that presently I am experimenting with CBS all access and I recently got the DC Universe app that was actually gifted to me for participating in New York comic-con this year which was a excellent wonderful gift thank you WB DC etc it's been Pleasant so far what about you guys what are you using these days Oh Amazon Prime two for me cats you try everything yeah yeah and and at home right now we're on YouTube TV because we are a post cable household and it was a long hard transition is maybe you can tell from that article we were talking about earlier you know I I started in you know probably eight years ago climbing on the roof with an antenna and realizing I couldn't get anything but yeah you two TVs been great but I can't watch the Knicks for example on YouTube TV so you know if I want to I would subscribe to DirecTV now which has that channel so it's interesting like I would probably if I was if the Knicks are really good I really wanted to watch them this year I would trade you know my youtube TV which I think I like the integration the DVR better for directing me now because it has that channel you know it's one of these things where you have to make these kind of changes but part of this new world of over-the-air are sorry over-the-top streaming television is that unlike with your cable subscription it's really easy to just switch from UT from YouTube TV to DirecTV you know it's not like you're in a contract you can just stop and go to the other one and then go back to the other one when the next season is over yeah yeah it's it's and you can do the same thing with shows which you know a lot of people do with HBO for example no and and I'm sure their subscriptions gonna go through the roof once Game of Thrones starts up again that sort of thing you know following these things around is really cool and really freeing and we tried around we played around with PlayStation View for example my wife like didn't like the interface I was kind of used to it you know we tried sling TV my sisters you need to be for example because they watch a lot of soccer and a lot of like sports that are that are on there that and they prefer you know obviously paying $50 less a month for that so there's so many different ways you can do it and then the on-demand stuff we're talking before that's just live TV and for the most part our family it's we watch you know Netflix we watch Amazon we don't what we do watch some Hulu as well so those three are like kind of must-haves you know beyond this like TV stuff so yeah the bill at the end of the day we're not saving that much but I love what you talked about the fact that you don't have a contract you can change out whenever you want I feel like you know if the price is the same yeah and you don't have to worry about even if the price is the same now you don't have to worry about like when that contract expires it's gonna be going up 20% yeah there's not gonna and you don't have to worry about these these installations like be there for a window between 3:00 p.m. and 8:00 p.m. yeah for us to come out to your house and there's there's product benefits to cutting the cord beyond just the content in the price yeah and and I mean we're having these these conversations at the holidays for example you know like I have my my relatives coming and being like you know whatever it is and they're always paying crazy amount like how can you possibly pay like 100 80 bucks a month for like TV and Internet but you know they do and those guys are prime candidates for once they get over the a little bit of a learning curve and figure out they can do this stuff and I'm generally helping them with that and I've gotten some really you know good you know results from people again once they can get their sports teams basically yeah it's a clutch it's an experiment in control really at least it was for me I got a lot of my family gifts of NetFlow subscriptions early on just to kind of get them on that train and now picking them up things like Roku's and fire sticks and etc to keep the hardware warm you know it you like you said you really not changing the bill that much and with so many more places going independent a la carte like Disney's going to be launching their own service right now which means that all those Marvel properties on Netflix are probably going to migrate in some fashion disappearing well we might not lose all of them but a large theory is that you know the defenders series is going to find a new home on Disney Plus whatever they're calling it now so yeah at that point you're paying $8 for that $8 for that $10 for that $6 for that one and it does it's gonna pile up but what you're paying for now instead of the sheer volume and capacity of continuous broadcast content which may or may not appease your tastes you're paying for control of the aaalac our on-demand service when you want it how you want it yeah that's my two cents i I want to talk a little about the antenna thing too I don't know we have any questions on this but the antenna aspect if you can get these channels is really cool one you know big gotcha about these like TV services there's no PBS for example and my you know I got young kids PBS is a must you know and it's kind of awesome to you know have an antenna option and and yeah in New York we get like you know 40 channels now if you don't live in the basement yeah you can get one of these live TV a DVR even to schedule recordings of stuff and and you know basically pretend you have almost a cable through these things yeah guide all this stuff yeah I don't know I like it over-the-air antennas are kind of like magic it's like this magic that is existed since the dawn of time and everybody we've gotten to this mindset of cable subscriptions and paid TV subscriptions that people forget that there's just television floating around yeah you can grab and get for free and it's free that's very true I have an antenna as well but I live in a recessed apartment underground so my signals kind of lousy and I've tried getting creative with it - I've tried like attaching it to the pipes in like my heating pipes in the apartment try and get better reception reflective do that I'm not I'm not a scientist yeah and and and I can't use an antenna because I live like there's too many trees and I'm like kind of out you know in Long Island so I actually don't we tried there's one of the first things we tried we could get like you know three channels and then they didn't come in and then the other one and what about you John can we go for three here I don't have an incentive right now only because so you're a cord cutter I'm a cord never like I've never really had cable in my adult life like after I left my my parents house and so I never like like acclimated myself to the idea that I like it's natural to watch TV in a linear like broadcast sort of way I just have always been watching stuff on demand so I don't have one but I think it's great for a lot of people yeah it makes a lot of sense for a lot of people if you really like that kind of like watching things as they're broadcast over the air content then it makes sense for you I just don't have one because I'm one of those ones do you like like just watch over live news yeah yeah just like watch like online and watch like apps like I'll just go to like the CNN app on my Roku but when something's like live and breaking I usually I'm watching that stuff on my phone I don't really keep it on my big TV in the main screen of the house partly because I have young kids too and if something is a news event that I want to be keeping tabs on live it's probably not something I want my kids to really be exposed to it's probably something bad and disturbing internet works pretty good for news yeah yeah there's a lot more options floating out there now too like we talked news and sports I not pandering here use the CBS all access sports to watch the Buffalo Bills also there's stuff like fubo floating out there now too yeah and I've been experimenting that did a trial with that it works great sometimes the selection is limiting but those things are made to grow and expand expand so yeah there's so many options and just like cats point out there's so many options just in that live tree TV replicating a live all experience there's so many options in that now like add-on to that free apps and paid on-demand subscriptions it's just a lot well is it gonna start narrowing at some point do you think Joan you track this pretty closely I mean you've written a lot of stories about these kind of I know that there's like some some perverse financial incentives going on to with these guys always talking about how you know YouTube TV is a loss leader that was out for a while you know these guys you know there's a lot of channels they're charging a relatively small mint of money plus we've had some price increases yeah so the price increases had an effect like I know that sling and DirecTV they were having like gangbusters gross growth in the first half of the year and then they stopped having a lot of their promotions and all of a sudden lo and behold their growth was like mhm it was a huge steep drop-off yeah but yeah I mean like you know the way that we talked about how like with on-demand paid apps there's Netflix that almost everybody has if you have one you probably have that one and then there's like two or three others that you might subscribe to one or two of those pardon me I think that might happen with the live TV streamers that eventually they'll be like maybe three of the kind of all-purpose we give you a giant collection like a larger bundle that pulls out a head because people I think yeah they even though you can switch in the hop between them I think most people just don't want to have to do that yeah they want to find the one they like yeah get a price that's reasonable for them and then be like alright that's my TV yeah so I do you think that a few are gonna pull ahead from the pack it'll be interesting to see what which ones I think it'd be really interesting if like a fubo or a Philo which are the kind of independent they're not owned by a gigantic corporation like DirecTV now is or like YouTube TV is or sling TV and be it'll be interesting to see like if any of the small players are managed to become one of the dominant services I think it'll be really interesting yeah they they're both pretty niche you know it's like those sports and then Philo's know sports right and and third the price of food Oh for example yeah I think that there's there's way too many now and it's super confusing and really using you and it's kind of like what how are they different and especially since he could switch between them everything and cats didn't do justice to like when he when you said that you can go and see net and find out that all the different channels that can get on each one that's because katha has a gigantic Excel spreadsheet and he continually updates with like not enough apparently like monk like fastidious it's fun I just one of my favorite things in the world excel spreadsheets are fun I mean sharing it on on Google Docs and having all these anonymous like lemurs and and yeah so you can have aardvarks and everything like come in because Google that they'll put little animals on there to symbolize anonymous nests because it's just a weird Google thing yeah so and it's fun to go on there and see like you know 150 other weird animals you know checking out whether you can get CBS in the morning yeah it's it's it's pretty fun but there's I mean that's again it's incomprehensible like there's so much you need a friggin spreadsheet yeah that's crazy yeah so we've covered so much ground and specifically we've talked about all of the favorites I'm gonna go ahead and bring up your spreadsheet here and the listings and it is bonkers it's not even the G doc dude no no I know I know but this is the one that people can see you once seen it just search OTT it'll turn right up yeah but while we're looking at this let's go ahead and take some commentary from the chat that we've been neglecting like a lot like as he points out we we kind of forgot PlayStation View we did bring up sling TV DirecTV now watch TV YouTube TV and Philo once so Loic says I'm paying 200 bucks a month for Comcast Xfinity yeah I what cut the cord but Comcast Xfinity is the only Wi-Fi provider in my area and they say if I downgrade my service to Wi-Fi only it's still gonna be $89 a month and that's the same problem I've kind of run into with Time Warner who's the only one in my area Matthieu dieter chimes in and says my problem is at Comcast is the only internet provider in the area yeah price difference between comcast internet o Navy plus Internet is hardly anything they really want you to stay loyal and he says I can't cut the cord until I have more choice than ISP so do we think this is gonna kind of force that hand are we gonna actually see more exposure for providers or are they gonna actually start to flux the market to kind of cater to this well so this is where programming providers the options that you have for over-the-top programming stuff the sling TV use the DirecTV now that's not gonna change whether or not you have a choice an ISPs and because cable companies cable companies have regional monopolies they have local monopolies so that's why there's only a Comcast in your area that's why there's only a charter in your area that's why there's only it's well time around time try it on Time Warner the same thing now but you get my drift like that's the way that it was structured that they would have local regional monopolies in particular areas and then as broadband became the default way that people get Internet into their home that meant that you really only they had monopolies over you know virtual monopolies over your internet service into your home too so it has created this situation where they are able to take advantage of the fact that if you want to have a really good internet connection most likely you only have one really good option maybe if you're lucky you have a second decent option and that means they can price those things so that it's like yeah you could stop getting our cable subscription and only go to Internet but why would you because we'll charge you so much for the internet alone that it only really makes sense for you to be getting Internet and video and phone if they can throw that into I feel like it's legitimately falsely inflating that market that they're trying to make a sound like cable still relevant when it's not yeah welcome to America I mean sorry go ahead sorry yeah that's that's how its structured the the best way to fight that is is is to quit cable anyway yeah like that's what I did so I'll just give you a quick story we were paying like I think was about 150 160 a month for the triple play for Verizon in my area which is phone internet and TV and I called him up and did this little negotiation thing and and I there isn't that we actually have a competing provider in my area so I was able to play them off of each other but at the end of the day I still needed phone for various reasons plus Internet so I'm still paying about a hundred bucks a month for that yeah so it's not like I'm saving a massive but as we were talking about before to me it's worth it to have the choice of these other services by the way even if I had TV I'd still be Netflix Amazon Hulu right you don't mean like the original content now especially yeah actually there's there's no way you can to me at least with our family that we couldn't subscribe to those things and we can turn them off occasionally you know if we're sick of them but whatever we usually come back again for original series or whatever it is yeah same thing with HBO you know right now we don't have it but we're gonna come back to it probably so you know then there's the live TV service which I guess kind of zeroes out that savings but I can cancel at any time if you know money gets tight and I want to save you know whatever it is a month I can cancel you know yeah those those options are still there so if you're paying 200 a month for example I feel like you know as long as you're not missing any must-have channels it's worth it to just try it go for the you know the internet only or in a phone if you need it and you haven't tried doing the negotiating tactic that - yeah well they fold like paper do it do it and then come back or or or do it hang up and ask for another representative you know there's and you can even Google how to negotiate with the cable there's some really good tactics out there for how to actually get that bill down because everybody's following a script on the other end of the phone they wanted retain you as a customer and especially if you have a second provider unfortunately a lot of us are in these monopolies but for example where I am there's there's Verizon and there's the the cable company for a long island so those you know there's two guys who can play off against each other so there's there's also up like smaller companies that are trying to break down this is P monopoly like there's starry internet but the problem with there people are trying to do it via fiber but the problem with this stuff is that it's really hard there's a reason why these monopolies started they were built they're baked in but there's a reason why they haven't really been broken by the free market it's because it's hard to deliver Internet service 5g could change things a lot it's thinking yeah let's talk about 5g no and I just want to say so the premise of this whole conversation has been around reasons to cut the but there are some people you know our listener mentioned x1 paying $200 for for x1 feels like a lot of money but I will give Comcast some credit x1 is a really advanced way to watch cable television they've integrated a lot of things like Netflix Amazon YouTube so that you don't they have voice so it like they also have decent customer service people novel idea do that really comcast is like that open Time Warner well ok second to last couldn't be any worse that's all I'm saying so here's here's some great conversation interesting thoughts coming up out of what we're talking about right now Brian Stone says even if you do cut the cord there's still gonna be data caps you might have to deal with especially for streaming to multiple TVs so you got to be kind of choosy how this unfolds now have we this is something I was actually thinking about last night when I was watching TV and I kept having some buffering issues which I think was probably a loose off the cuff deal but with the impending crunch with the loss of net neutrality and the increasing trend of higher quality content being pushed out in the form of 4k have we backed ourselves went into a corner here are we gonna see like a point where it's like I've run out of TV shows on the first Tuesday of the month that's a good question I I would say I would say know one of the reasons in in general first of all those data caps are pretty high right now because you'd have to be competitive what they will do though is to try and sell you a higher you know speed or even a higher cap if if you mentioned that you're gonna be streaming and all that kind of thing I would again try and start with the lowest you can but yeah there's definitely places where data caps gonna be an issue but like for example Netflix is a lot of bandwidth but it's it's not that much it's not like you know downloading video games it depends on how much you're watching yeah on these daily basis you know it's there's definitely some people who hit the cap but you also got to change your habit sometimes for example people leave their TVs on hey maybe you can turn off the TV you know or better yet turn off the streamer because if the consumer just keeps going and background after you've turned off the TV and your Roku just keeps you know sending out your the the TV signal do a blank TV that's a bad thing look there's contingency plans in place more often now and not perfect but you know Netflix makes you question your character after you what binge watch seven episodes of The Office are you still there it locks up yeah then she goes back to the home screen eventually that shuts off and eventually the TV follow suit because the HDMI is like well you're gone yeah and some services even sling TV actually has a bandwidth cap so you can go in there and say hey look sir show me a lower bandwidth version of the show for example or you know even even warn me when these things are happening so there are ways to deal with it but it is an issue I feel like it's it's it's still less of an issue hopefully witness neutrality doesn't get worse right yeah yeah with net neutrality changing the there's a possibility that service providers could take advantage for their financial gain that kind of predicament I think but I do think that there are ways that the programmers can counterbalance that like you said there's ways to get like you can offer like as a programmer or somebody that's delivering like the Netflix is can figure out ways to like let you know and give you options about what level of quality that you're streaming in here's a relevant question from Joseph in general what is a recommended speed of Internet to use for online streaming services for like Hulu without having to deal with buffering ooh tough one so in general 50 megabits per second 15 not 50 is gonna is gonna be fine now our HD 1080 yeah and and and that's actually the recommended for 4k so when I say fine that's that's pretty damn good the problem with that is that that's especially if you're not on FiOS if you're not on fibre optic connection that number can go way down during peak hours which is when everybody watches TV in your neighborhood if you have cable you're subject to the peak hour issue yeah and and that number might not be constant in normal circumstances so I would say that's kind of your baseline these a lot of guys are offering a hundred for example megabits per second that's crazy again if you have five people in your family all streaming at the same time or you know a couple people doing video game downloads or playing live games at the same time yeah you're gonna use that but for a single stream that's complete overkill so you have to consider how many people are streaming at the same time at what time and you know usually in my experience wow this is really good with with maintaining that 15 megabits per second compared to something like a cable service where it'll dip and go down that's really interesting yeah good thing we got Google Fiber coming away we've talked about this before Joan but if Rayne says the TV app commercials are repetitive and they drive me nuts I never thought I would miss reel commercials let's go ahead and unpack that one again because what you told me last time was very informative but still enraging yeah right yeah that was fun because I got a chance to say Brian let me blow your mind you do so yes I understand they especially on ad supported streaming services lots of repetitive ads unfortunately that's by design not by the streaming service but by advertisers advertising since the dawn of television has been based on this concept of repetitive impressions and so when you're on TV especially a TV as it is now there's just a lot more commercials in an hour of regular cable TV than there is on like say if you have ad supported Hulu subscription if you use if you watch YouTube a lot fewer ads per hour on those services but what that means is advertisers still want to have the same number of repetitions so with fewer commercials same amount of repetitions you get a lot more repetitive ads it's not like these services don't have a variety of marketers and advertisements to show you it's that the advertisers specifically want to repeat them before your eyeballs over and over again which it's one of those it's one of those things where advertising hasn't caught up to how viewing behaviors have totally changed and it's making a less pleasurable experience because of it and and I in my opinion I think your time is often worth it to subscribe to the ad free version of Hulu which we do and it's I can't go back at this point or even the ad-free version CBS all access you know which which again is with these services offer an ad-free version for more money and it's you know a couple bucks a month I would strongly consider you know say you guys should consider paying that just because to not have ads is is a wonderful experience it frees up your time and obviously this whole annoyance factor you know if it's something you use a lot it's totally worth it yeah I never minded ads as long as they were decent enough or got a cheap laughs item at the very least you know you can try to sell me something I don't mind there's stuff out there I don't know about but the sheer fact is they get to the end of a show on Hulu and I hate any given company because they have bought up every single spot in that show yeah and it's out of spite I refuse to participate in there well the thing is you probably remember those brands even though if you you spite them do you remember like what brands they were that no I've erased them for my memory I have eternal sunshine them because I hate them so much you are a special case a lot of ways you're a very special person but I get what you're saying and I'm so glad that you able to actually explain that because I'm sitting here thinking like did they is this my first thought was is on demand services these streaming servers are they failing can they not that's really interesting and raging but interesting alright we're just about out of time let's go ahead and address the the elephant in the room Timothy we're over here in 2018 he's living in 30 18 cable should have customers actually choose their channels in order to compete not package deals actually individual channels true a la carte boy wouldn't that have been nice well you say I mean people say that but we kind of have an inkling of what true a la carte is like now and it's more expensive like the thing about cable is that a $200 a month bill for Comcast is insane but if you and grants it nobody watches all of the channels on their Comcast subscription but all the cart channels if you go beyond 5 like it's gonna add up and the reason that you can't do that is because only like nine companies on all the networks and they force their called MVPDs the-the-the your cable company DirecTV SL like they're called MVPDs and they force MVP T's to take the entire bundle of all of their channels take it or leave it like you can't well let me think of one everybody's merging with everybody so I can't remember which ones are actually but like well you can't if you get if you want the Discovery Channel you got to get discovery life and discovery science and blah blah blah blah and if you want ABC and Disney you also have to have ESPN yeah in freeform yeah you know those types of things are their common and that's like if you look at sling TV I think they're they're marketing says it but it's true they're kind of as close as you can get right now in today's market to a la carte channels and they have you know a really slim cable bundle or you know of channels that's 25 20 20 bucks a month and they do these little add-on things like if you want to get the kids package for example you know seven five channels so that's that's pretty close I grew Jonah I don't feel like it's gonna get be complete true ala carte where maybe you're what are you gonna pay two bucks a month to get you know nick jr you know whatever it is per channel because I don't think the economics really add up they would never I would be there's a reason why there isn't a $2.00 subscription it's pretty five yeah it would have to be more than that and so nickel and diming that's why you know when when Katz cuts the cord nickel and diming it's not all you know saving all that much money yeah but yeah and you look at like Philo what is that fifteen bucks a month I think yeah and they have they have like 40 odd channels in there a lot of them you've heard of inter and are quote-unquote you know legacy good channels and you know they're able to do it because they cut off the expensive channels because you know they don't have this they don't know yes PN they don't have you know those types of channels cost a heck of a lot more for a provider so they experimented with you know a package that does that and it's pretty popular my people you don't care about sports a news it still want live TV on these on these services so there's a lot of experimentation going on a lot more than there ever was in the past you know it's really cool yeah you know all these things are coming out and and the market is is really heating up and a lot of big players are trying to get into it and and and break this this issue and even the TV providers and the cable companies are seeing that you know the writing on the wall you know you got a you got to figure out how to serve people yeah I remember the ad I remember the ad that set me off on Hulu it was a Volkswagen ad I don't know if anybody else recalls us this was a while ago maybe a year to ago even it was this ad and it had this family and it was long when to is like a 62nd or is his family doing a cross-country road trip in a Volkswagen vehicle and they get to the end they're like on this cliffside Beach kind of thing and you meet that you realize that the reason that they went there was a deposit grandma's ashes and I was just like the first time you get through it's like oh that's sad but kind of heartwarming okay I get it that's effective that one's stuck and then it happened again and then it happened again and about 30 minutes through my show I'm sobbing in the corner and I hate Volkswagen and every fiber of my being so the reason to hate where I was getting serviced a mad on very clearly because it was a Walmart ad and it was like around fall so it was kind of like like building on a tailgating get everybody together for a party watch the game sort of vibe but they didn't have they didn't show up specific teams they had people that were wearing like one team was a blue team and all their fans are wearing blue another scene was being was an orange team because and whatever whoever they were but they're all gathered around to watch this game and it drove me crazy that blue and orange would stand up and cheer at the exact same time okay they wanted to show like everybody's having fun at this party these opposing team would stand up and cheer and I was like it just drove me crazy and every single time I saw it it was like it doesn't make logical sense but then they turn around the camera and they were actually cheering at the Walmart commercial and weren't even watching the game they're just excited that they saw themselves cheering in an infinite mirror universe of blue and orange alright next time we got a slow news day we're gonna go down the rabbit hole that is bad old commercials we could spend hours on good old commercials oh I was like that's that's kind of sick though that you have so many nostalgic thoughts about commercials from your childhood oh yeah they stick that happy modern America for you yeah no kidding especially now in the holiday season boy some of the ones that they've kept alive like the Hershey's Kisses in Campbell Soup Snowman and all those rolling out this time of year I still have fond memories of those and I can deal with them once that's about all I'll give them there so insidiously effective mmm I need a bowl of soup now hey we're out of time everybody we got one show left in 2018 and that'll be tomorrow morning at our regularly scheduled time 11:15 a.m. all right here on YouTube live stream and periscope until then Joan you want to take us on out of here yeah the 59 is available on iTunes tune in 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