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today's 3:59 is sponsored by player unknowns battleground mobile pub G mobile is an on-the-go Battle Royale at its greatest with i popping graphics super smooth gameplay and a variety of exciting play modes download the official mobile version of pub g for free go to your android or iOS App Store and type P ubg mobile and collect a special reward using the promo code hol ZBZ x9 C code also listed in the episode description play now welcome to good morning everybody to the 3:59 podcast CNET's daily news podcast on November 20th it's episode 492 you got Ben Fox Rubin today and special guest friend of the show Tana Katz Meyer hey I am here before the man that knows all things about all TV's so today's podcast we're gonna talk all about TVs during the holiday season we've got cats Meyer here to run through an epic amount of information the adjustment in just four minutes yeah we'll try to cram in as much as we can send in whatever questions and comments you want to share with David and I'll just kind of sit here and relax while he answers the questions after the podcast right either way without further ado let's get to the podcast and we'll see you in three minutes and 59 seconds start hitting us up with any questions and comments you got about buying TVs it's coming Black Friday and we'll see you back in the chat in three minutes and 59 seconds from three - welcome to the 359 I'm Ben Fox Ruben I'm David Katz Maya the holiday shopping season is upon us which means consumers will have a lot of deals to sift through so cats how many of these deals specifically for TVs are basically crap about a hundred and forty two and I say that kind of scientifically because we actually went through and looked at 151 deals and 142 of them are probably not worth it know you and and I'll tell you what happens that all these retailers throw up TVs of you know ridiculously epic cheap prices so yeah if you want an eighty dollar 32 inch TV not the worst place to spend your money a 32 inch TVs are generally junky but what people looking for is you know good living site living room sized TVs at a good price so I have a few that I can recommend top of the list of the Vizio e-series that thing starts 443 inches at 310 dollars so that's not there are cheaper 43 inch TVs out there and you can jump over somebody you know at Best Buy to get one but that's a really good TV goes at full-array local dimming we are that the best home theater worthy of the cheapest home theater worthy TV of the year that's a great TV and it goes all the way up to 70 inches again for 750 bucks yeah so those are really good prices for a TV that performs very well and then there's a TV that my favorite TV of the year the TCL six series which I just bought this morning thanks to you individually cope coincidental yeah so that TV is great that's my editors choice superb picture quality better than the E Series definitely worth the step up in price Ben you didn't get ripped off it's a wonderful TV 55 inches for what is it six would you pay six thirty six thirty on Amazon yeah yeah yeah I mean and it's got the Roku built in which rack rate so anyway those are my two real value picks and you know you see cheaper TVs out there from LG and Samsung they're not gonna perform any better LG and Samsung make some great TVs but they cost more money than these so again if you want a really good cheap TV those are the ones I recommend I've been hearing these words come out of your mouth a lot these days full array local dimming yeah for the folks at home why don't you explain to us what that means and why it's important so basically a LCD screen has a bunch of LEDs behind it and those can turn on and off independently on a TV with full array of dimming on most LCD TVs especially the cheap ones they all turn on and off at the same time of course the benefit is with this localized dimming and brightening you get much better pop much better contrast to something like HDR which all these TVs have but only ones with full array local dimming do really well and of course OLED TVs do really well so that's really what it does it improves contrast and that's the the most important ingredient picture quality let's talk about OLED so LG makes him really good OLED they basically were like look we know you guys want to buy this TV so we're gonna cut the price by like twenty dollars yeah during the holidays are there other allege that I we should be paying attention to or this is really the one to beat at this point yes so again OLED TVs right now the cheapest one is sixteen hundred bucks for the 55 inch size that's what I expected but I'm obviously not on the market yeah exactly that's and and the price drop is a lot less than I thought it would be so what LG did this year is they didn't do those steep discounts that everybody's hoping for so yeah if you want to spend you know it's still the lowest prices ever been well actually the lowest price been this year last year was actually cheaper so you know they're not really coming down in price the LCDs are the ones that you know again give you that really really good picture quality not as good as OLED but they'll give you the best bang for the buck this time of year so the was it the LG that's as low as $1600 this year or is it somebody else no that's that's LG and LG is always gonna have the cheapest OLED TVs just because they're the ones that make all the panel's so you know that's a really good television it's our editor's choice for the high-end markets 2500 for the 65 inch but again those prices are not gonna be world-shattering you're not getting a great sale price on those I was hoping for like 2 grand for the 65 which would be a really really good price but that hasn't happened yet maybe it will you know who knows maybe LG won't sell any and they'll want to come it down bring it down but right now again the best value is in the LCDs so with the little time we have remaining let's let's run through maybe one other important feature set one of them a piece of technology hopefully that people should pay attention to if they want a future proof their device like what should they look at so we talked about fuller a local dimming they're really high quality but with Smart TV I really like Roku TV operating system they do a really good job of making all these apps really easy to use and you know again it's very frequently updated and it's it's one of these systems that you know that's what Roku does they make TVs easy to use they make streaming easy to use on these TVs so if you have a choice between two TVs that look very similar when I was a Roku one it doesn't I'd say go with the Roku nice all right if you want to read more about these stories check them out on CNET I'm Ben Fox Ruben David Katz Mayer thanks for watching that was so much more specific than I thought it should I actually go and just know all right everybody thanks for joining us for the recording of the audio podcast if you've got great questions about what TVs are available right now different feature sets David Katz Meyer is your man I got a question for you David so there are a myriad of options out there with giant gorgeous screens hmm help someone like me who as much as the giant screen is wonderful might not fit in my apartment and as TVs are becoming larger in their standard forms how do I go about shopping for something that's a little more compact so it depends on how compact you mean like I said the 43 inch Vizio e-series that's kind of that's pretty small these days and that's 310 bucks at that size that's my pick I know you want to go smaller Brian yeah for four for shits and giggles why not so actually I said that's the topic 32 inch TVs are basically like who cares they're they're a dime a dozen they're pretty quality's not gonna be much different from one brand to the next so again you can get really cheap ones my pick right now is a Roku TV like I talked about 130 bucks for a 32 inch size mic it down a little less expensive than that but that makes that one that one's TCL okay so and again you're not going to get good picture quality at that size the best picture quality improvement or gonna get is when you go to a 43 inch size so I would stop strictly on price lower than 43 inches so and that's because with the smaller devices they're just not able to cram as much tech into them and/or it's not really even it's not as big of a market yeah I mean it's it's mainly because they the competition is so rough down there that they stop making good small TVs a while ago and even Vizio which is you know they're bringing these foolery local dimming prices to you know to a lower price point they're they stopped at 43 inches which is actually pretty good last year I think their lowest size was 50 inches so again that's everybody's concentrating all the manufacturer concentrating on the quote-unquote larger TVs which are fifty-five inches in up uh hunter is asking about a 21-inch you can even go that small again I would shop on price you know it did Roku does I think the TCL s 305 series goes down to twenty one you see the 21 or 24 and that's an awesome TV again when you're in these tiny like living room and bedroom situations it's really nice to have the built-in smart TV because one you have to juggle a second remote you're not like in a full you know home theater situation where you got all those other equipment anyway it's generally just the TV and having everything built in for that one TV especially in a secondary room is really convenient alright let's take some questions from the audience Timothy do asks how many years would you recommend getting a new HDTV I'm guessing he means like how many years in between jumping to get your upgrades as long as you can I still have a 10 year old TV at home it's great you know it's a plasma with great picture quality I haven't felt the pressing need we're sorry we're still hanging on to him as much as we can but yeah III wouldn't it's not like a phone okay I'll put it that way you don't I never feel the need to upgrade some people do you know but they just have money to burn TVs are expensive I would buy a good one and you know expected to last for a while if he's talking about reliability it's all over the map you know these TVs again you can expect them to be five or ten years before they die basically and you know that's that's that's it's a wide range but you know they're again they're gonna last longer than in terms of going obsolete they're not gonna go up salute they're there they're gonna stick around and produce a really good picture for a long time right and unlike a phone you're not moving it around all the time you're not you know it's not a touchscreen you're not touching it all over the place so that obviously significantly increases its lifespan that it's arguably it's sitting in the same place most of the time right until your switch controller like flies against it destroys it but so you use your little you know wrist holders please yeah very important and I saw that happen once in college so yeah we modes yeah I've only seen that on YouTube I am impressed that you saw that like live in person I would have paid to see that this is what ones are really light but back was that a glass Brian was that like a plasma screen oh no it was it was a cruddy old CRT but we still made it happen oh yeah all right next questions coming in from V chord V code are oo7 will Vizio PQ 65 f1 be back in stock what would you recommend as an alternative if it's not great question that's my number one question perhaps you for pointed out so I really recommend the P series quantum it's a great TV for $1400 65-inch so we were talking about those oh let alternatives before for the high end that's my number one pick right now of course it's out of stock everywhere at that price it normally was for 2100 so that's a crazy awesome price and that's well before Black Friday yes though they started early and you know the people that we're paying attention decided they were like we're not gonna get weight we're just gonna buy this thing yep so to answer your question no idea I've actually asked Vizio yesterday and again today whether I even added them just now on Twitter so maybe they'll get back to me and let me know when these things are expected back but they know you know it's a really good seller and they know it's a great price so who knows an alternative the normal Vizio P series is very good but I think the best step down alternative to that is actually about TCL six series it has superb picture quality it's not going to be as good as the quantum you know I gave the the six series and eight in picture quality the quantum got a nine always get a 10 to give you some reference but that six series again for nine hundred bucks right now for the 65 inch at Best Buy superb television unless you're you know a real video quality hound you know you're not gonna be disappointed by the picture and you know the quantum is amazing but you know if you can't find it you really want a new TV either wait a little bit for to come back in stock or or jump on that TCO right and I would probably say the way that the market works these days it probably will come back in stock later in a season probably not at that price exactly they probably realized these are selling like hotcakes what was it a 1440 that's $700 it's like what thirty five percent off right so they're they probably realized they could they don't have to offer it at that same price again so unfortunately if you miss the boat this time you probably miss the boat and I don't know maybe next year or you really love to the TV buy it slightly higher when it does come back in stock yeah that's a good point let's talk accessories getting away from picture quality for just a second Josh has a last gen chromecast would it be worth upgrading to the new model assuming you mean the puck circle size absolutely not I'll do the same thing the new chromecast was the most fake upgrade ever like it all it is is like its mat now a new color yeah it's less colors than is less came in like coral and all these weird colors before now it's just black and white they phoned it in on that update don't even bother good answer if we're gonna talk about accessories and functionality David wants to know what your feelings are on smart TVs at this point most TVs are going pretty smart am i right I mean the features are just kind of coming standard but if you're not already there like myself when do you think is a good time to make that jump for the additional functionality so again I'll go back to my original answer window upgraded TV the best way to upgrade a Smart TV is to buy a Roku a little streamer that starts at 20 bucks for Black Friday and goes up to you know 50 for their 4k HDR one my favorite streamer you can put on any TV it'll basically infuse your old cruddy TV with amazing new streaming you can get a fire TV to Amazon's fire TV has done a really good job with voice if you're in Alexa head but that's the best way to make your old TV you know less sake first streaming so why don't you also we were talking about the side of the podcast why don't you walk us through some of the a variety of the Smart TVs and who does a better job than others well again like I said Roku is the best in terms of overall Smart TV functionality Vizio is the worst so in that middle area you'll find bold fire TV Amazon makes those televisions picture quality's nowhere near something like the TCL six series but they throw a fire TV on there it's okay I think Samsung actually does the best job of all the guys that develop their own operating system and the newer Samsung's are very very good the the issue there is updating so you know they're not necessarily motivated in the same way that or even an Amazon to continually roll out these features updates what they want to do is sell you a new TV and if your TV starts sucking and and and you know the the Smart TV works bad that's what I really like the Samsung but the Smart TVs bad let's just buy another so you know they're good LG is good they have that we've talked about a Wii Remote that's pretty cool on they boat they all do a really good job right now with the current generation so you're buying a brand new one there's very little reason unless you need like a special app or something like that the exception is Vizio who Smart TV is as I've been saying for years terrible but you know when you are ranking these things you can always go you know what I really like that vizio tv let me buy a 50 dollar Roku and put it on there and be in you know a really good place hmm makes sense next question comes in from American princess when will 80s c 3.0 come out ooh so ATSC 3.0 is the latest generation of the over-the-air broadcast spectrums over they broadcast standard they're talking about 2020 now so supposed to do like better digital quality well a lot of his data tracking surprising right they're gonna sighs yeah well there's I mean of course there's video quality stuff you can do a K and whatever um but they're also saying maybe some better reception but it's it's really about two-way data and they're also they also want to you know compress their bandwidth to sell off more spectrum to wireless guys that actually make money like cell phone providers ones lousy sound good it is technically better um you know you can get some improvements we don't know yet I mean it could be I mean and I'm expecting it to at least be as good as ATSC 2.0 which is your current over-the-air television again you'll get improved video quality with a KL get potentially HDR all these things so that is potentially good we just don't know but that's been one of the big things is is that is the data tracking the ability to you know basically phone home and tell everybody what you're watching which is it gets them up to date with the streamers maybe I was in 2020 there might be some really crazy we're gonna follow your eye movements yeah yeah there's there's gonna be the ATSC broadcast guys are inevitably gonna be slower than any of the internet you know base guys that's just how it is but yeah maybe 2020 we'll see let's talk about burn-in Jay and David are both asking about burnin for OLED no what are your thoughts on that so you maybe they've been watching some videos on YouTube there's a lot of that I mean we've been saying this for years if you were burning in an OLED TV you're trying really hard and a lot of people let me let me back that up I think a lot of people leave their televisions on MSNBC or Fox News or CNN for days and days on end and they have that little logo burned into the lower left-hand corner if you're gonna watch TV like that don't get an oled unless it's a C net logo burn it in the lower corner right it's not even possible and then get a do some net tattoo yeah we do now okay this right thing to do is just to burn in oh let's but it but if hopefully you're turning off your TV at night and and and doing the normal stuff and for example letterbox bars aren't gonna burn it in they're much more resistant to burnin than plasma was anecdotally I've never seen a case personally and you know I've never I haven't gone into stores and look for them because that's where you seen a lot and a lot of people say gaming if you game maybe 18 hours a day and never turn off your TV and have the little HUD in up in the upper left for the same game that might do it there's a really good test being run right now by another website and they've done a really good job of kind of tracking it they haven't seen massive stuff but there have been some evidence of it when you you know again leave these static images on a screen right I say if you're watching normal TV get a know that we have a much longer description of all this stuff on Sina if you want to dive a little bit deeper but the end of the day it's not a big concern for a lot of people alright next questions coming in from Myra so is OLED better nowadays we're looking for a TV we play lots of games online and watch a lot of streaming apps which TV would be good specifically what's good for a team bedroom or like a preteen bedroom maybe like a maybe I'm guessing they're looking for a smaller cheaper option okay so that covered from OLED to a teen bedroom first of all don't put your $2,500 TV in your kids bedroom please unless you're well okay maybe you want to but if you can't afford that again I go back to the TCL Roku TV s for the smaller bedroom screen sizes again like 21 inches they start at they go up to 43 those are non 4k 480p sorry 1080p TVs 720 on the smaller sizes they're perfectly good they got great streaming you know and they're really really cheap and then you can go if you want good picture quality stuff up to the Vizio e-series again starts at 310 bucks for the 43 inch size great television but again these Roku's are pretty fine for you know your kids your kids bedroom you and for gaming as well Aaron Johnson asks I have a question regarding cheap smart TVs I noticed some TVs like the Samsung's only have two HDMI ports would you have to add an HDMI extender to add ports or other devices do those things even exist I've never seen anything like that and let me just say imagine if Apple made a TV I have one of those where you add more HDMI port yeah yeah a lot of I'm like one of the only people in the world that still has a blu-ray player yeah I have a blu-ray player a Playstation 4 my Roku and I have an older TV that only has two ports so it's actually not that hard I just bought one of them that adds an additional two ports and it automatically shifts them over it just it knows which one you're using most of the time so you don't even have to find the remote to toggle over to the next one yeah and those are those are perfectly fine if you again if you want to don't replace your TV if you run it up or it's go to Amazon and Google you know HDMI switch or whatever that will get you a bunch of results and they're all cheap and a lot of them do 4k HD are they're pretty popular with a new TV I wouldn't worry about it too much again especially if you're doing a lot of streaming for the built-in streaming is good you know then you don't need to buy a streamer for example to attach to it the game console and the cable box are two common things that you do buy a HDMI you know you're going to need ports for that too is usually plenty but you know I wouldn't just disqualify a TV based on that you got to go with what you actually and figured out that being said I guess with two ports that's usually the smaller TVs but you have a lot of the questions that we're getting even the cheap ones you know like again Samsung and LG with these back Friday TVs they'll chop ports off you know just to see how much money it's saving yeah you know and and and a lot of that is maybe to induce you to boards slightly more expensive Samsung or LG or Vizio whatever it is to get that extra port so there's a lot of a lot of stuff out there but again you can usually solve those problems if you're willing to put up with a little bit of hassle by attaching one of these switches on there mmm all right Katz hypothetical your TV just blew up and you have to buy one on this coming Black Friday Vizio P series Vizio e-series or TCL six what wins your money TCL six but I would actually save up and buy an OLED because I feel like I yeah you're a TV guy I'm a TV guy I would put it on a zero percent card and you know pay for it a couple years from now whatever things you know get the points and stuff it would be it would be it would be rough you know I'd be a tough conversation to have with my wife but yeah that's how much better the picture quality is right like it's that noticeable I I love it I you know again these LCDs are very good but I would probably kick myself in a couple months if I didn't get an OLED when I had the chance and so that's what I would get you know I get the the current editors choice the b.a.p for 2,500 bucks for the 65 inch but you know again between those three I do like TCL best the Vizio P series though is I'll put this in right now it's on my list just because it comes in a 75 inch size that those ones know so TCL maxes out at 65 you want to get crazy huge that's it all for sixteen hundred bucks right now at Best Buy and that's a great price for a massive TV that has amazing picture quality at 75 inches so the Vizio P is is really good at that size all right digging for another question here let's take one from Storm King I'm looking for a new TV I have a sanyo a 32 inch with an actual picture tube is it time for me to jump to the 2017 model yeah you know again maybe maybe I'm content myself because I say don't buying TV unless you have picture to you too yeah I think it's a CRT yeah he's talked about us here I didn't know those were stole or if nothing else storm king love the name if you buy that TV you will get you know 2x the size which is the best piece of advice that I can give for anybody shopping for a TV buy as big of a TV as you can if you're buying thing a particular size this is for you Brian to maybe get something a little bigger it really you know you'll eventually go okay wow I'm glad I did that instead of man I wish my TV was a little bit bigger so that's you know with these LCD TVs they're they're a lot bigger than the CRTs used to be back in the day and it makes a huge difference just for that alone and again they're so dirt cheap one hundred thirty bucks for a 32 inch that'd be a pretty good place to start for that TCL you know in someone who's just upgrading from CRT so I bed sorry yeah that was somebody else calling you for advice yeah yeah we're just the phones are ripping through I ran off with my vibrating this whole time but yeah if my TV got any bigger I'd have to double as a dinner table when do you think when do you see Smart TVs fully integrating Google home hub as part of the chromecast functionality mmm I love a question maybe next year um I I think Google is motivated to keep some of that functionality on the smaller screen and I think it does make a lot of sense on the smaller screen the recipe stuff all that you know the kitchen stuff but I'd love to see for example the live photos make the jump to chromecast and you know Android TVs which are also that sounds so easy like you would think that would make so much sense to just do yeah yeah and maybe they already have don't quote me on that but you know that's really cool and you know there's a lot of home hub stuff for the Smart TV like the thing about a home hub is that it's got a built in you know Google home speaker right so there aren't any right now TVs with the built-in Alexa speaker or you know Google no eager yet they well we both did a briefing with Amazon specifically about the fire TV cube which for one thing motivates Google to try to stay in the entertainment game at the same time with Amazon because they're both really fighting over various elements of smart home and that's also that's basically like getting Amazon lady which is what we call her on the show yes yes getting getting that as close as you can to your television that's that's the primary point of the fire TV cube and I think it's also on sale for Black Friday a pretty good price yeah it's 60 bucks right there basically they just try to like throw out their devices Mashable there they're getting pretty close to doing that but yeah if you have any interest in getting a fire TV cube that's a really good price for it and I like that product a lot that's a cool product but yeah they haven't yet taken that obvious step of building the lady into a TV yet which I feel like maybe it'll happen next year we wouldn't be surprised to see somebody maybe it's Google who decides to take that leap and say you know what screw it we're gonna make the Google home TV and it's gonna be 55 inches and blah blah blah to your point though as far as adding smarts to your existing television with like a stick yep you can do a very similar thing with just an echo dot or in Google home Mini which those are also gonna be on sale for like $25 during the holiday so also not a reason to run out and get a new television if all you really need to do is add a dot or a mini to your living room that's what we have at home we have the TV in the living room and a dot you know basically close to there and actually works better if you have a dot closer to your mouth instead the TV speaker because that's one of the things that they had to re-engineer for the fire TV cube it's designed to sit next to the TV and there's a lot of other sound coming in there especially when you're saying the wake word you know to get it to mute everything and get ready for your command I mean that's that's one of the the issues with having the speaker built into the TV because that's got to be able to you know filter out all that that's a good point actually I wonder if that's one of the limitations that they're you bumping up against right now yeah yeah they'll figure it out those guys at Amazon they're smart cookies yeah all right in Google we're winding down towards the end let's take a couple more what's your preferred audio choice as an audiophile atmos or DTX for me it's DTS and DTX all the way that's coming in from all right Tim I wouldn't want to disabuse you of that and honestly I don't have you know the latest and greatest height based object based 7 plus speaker surround system at my house so I couldn't give you a real good answer a lot of it does vary on content you know some some discs and and services and streaming movies blah blah blah have one or the other and I know in Hollywood you know a lot of these guys are mastering with Atmos Netflix for example is doing a crap ton of stuff with Atmos so yeah it usually depends on you know the content itself so I couldn't tell you one way or the other and if you like DTS X good Anja next question is coming in from Moose Mustafa is Samsung cool ed worth it well there's a lot of cool Ed's mr. mostafa Wow what do you think about culet versus OLED though I think you and I have had this conversation is for LED so Q light is Samsung's marketing term for their LCD TVs it does actually refer to a technology called quantum dots they've been using it I think to make people think that their OLED TVs because when you look at similar they're little things there's just a little thing easier you know and yeah but you know what we've been writing that for last couple years if it's versus OLED trounces it it's it's a completely different technology OLED is emissive it's great from off angle it's got perfect black levels yada-yada-yada Q LED has some advantages it can get very very bright for example and there's I mean I gave a really good review to the q8 earlier this year I'm looking at the q9 it's been a long time coming if anybody's keeping track it won't get there eventually that's there those are their flagship high-end culet TVs they're really really good they have full array local dimming but the q6 and q7 don't so they have less effective local dimming and and their picture quality is generally not as great and I didn't review them this year but I'm pretty confident as saying that they're not gonna be as good as for example this TCO 6 series one more coming in last minute here what's the next version of OLED I'm guessing some Japanese company possibly testing it right now is there wait a minute looks like that hasn't even gone downstream yet we're already talking about the next one well there are I could talk about that too there's how long my been in this field been what's that how long have you been in the field of tech okay you're right sure you're talking about solely right we don't even have 5g yet people already talking about six that's right that's right what about our 8g yeah I need my email poured in my brain thanks Samsung 8k is here um but I mean if you're asked about what's gonna succeed it in a couple of years that's micro LED Samsung actually started selling it's crazy expensive commercial only a hundred and forty four inch micro LED thing which is basically like a scoreboard you know at a game that's the technology it's a whole bunch of little lights that are hella bright and they've gotten really small and that's cool in 2020 or 2024 right along side ATSC three if you're talking about oh let itself who's gonna get it next that's a great question because right now it's basically in the United States it's LG and Sony they're there and Sony's licensing LG's panels LG's the only guys that can still manufacture it at large screen size is Samson right Samsung makes a lot of all LEDs they even make OLED for Apple but that's on the smartphone side yes not for TVs yeah the Samsung no LEDs are wonderful in phones and you know David everybody's using them now but they're the Samsung does not make a large screen all it and I don't think they're going to they basically said we're gonna skip that technology and go straight to micro LED and so that's their marketing name maybe they'll decide to make OLED who knows but they actually did a while ago curved anyway that other manufacturers maybe Vizio maybe but there seem to be pretty well wedded to their local dimming of full array TVs in there at the lower end of the market anyway Sony again already makes OLED LG does and there's not that many other people Hisense I think even sells one now that's a Chinese name not many people heard of I should probably study up on it and he's you know best buy some time yeah yeah they're very inexpensive they're in the TCL range and t-cell itself may or may not but you know those are all all that is basically where it's gonna be I think for the foreseeable future you don't see Samsung jumping on there and maybe one of these other brands the Vizio TCL Hisense will get one but you know it's kind of a crapshoot at this point and LG is gonna continue to make them and they'll continue to be able to give themselves the best pricing on those sets and so I think their their game now is to try and get as much profit as they can out of OLED until it gets you know with with micro LED from what you know about pricing the Samsung only selling it that super-high level like sitting on our level yeah it's not a real product right now it's it's it's has it so expensive yeah it's it's a brand new display too they literally came out with it at CES last year there was they told me was one product in the world they kept shipping around and showing it at their events and and you know maybe they'll announce a smaller size 144 inches doesn't fit into many maybe there's a table at Bryan's apartment that you know you can sit everybody make it into the door possibly well that's why it's modular literally they have to make it oh yes that was the law yes yeah that's that's the TV that's like a Lego and you can take it apart and put it back together and you can make it even bigger he'll not as well do a couple of them um but that I think that's six figures so you know who cares um they are talking about bringing that down to a 75 inch size the problem is when you're shrinking scoreboard LEDs think about it you got to make them really really small and it's really hard to get the heat working right and all this stuff so there's actually movie screen technologies that you direct view LED like that already and Samsung makes one Sony makes one called Cletus the slackjaw yokel is that a joke no and that's that was one of the coolest things that's the yes a couple years ago yeah 38 white foot-wide Cletus screen I'm bringing a Simpsons reference into the show you know that always makes my day anytime I was gonna make a Cletus line but the only one that I remember it comes from Bart if the song goes some folks will never stop to something then them some some folks are likely it is the slack-jawed yo cool I'll wash myself for the honesty that's that's why I said it was barred I said it was future part but it is prototype for Cletus actually future Bart one of my favorite part yes classic okay girls mortified by that but real quick let's talk about a brand we don't talk about very much house Philips doing mmm Oh Philips interesting Black Friday sales they're big in Europe Philips is still Netherlands based company although I think there are American operations we're taking over a while ago by a Taiwanese company they still sell TVs in the United States I haven't reviewed one in a long time but yeah again they're they're basically a European centric brand right now alright and one more what about picture and picture is that making a comeback hmm it's one of those things that people seem to like back in the day that doesn't exist anymore I know some cable boxes you can do that you can you can put two channels on at the same time the little box although I've only ever used it as a feature accidentally yes like when you hit the button and it was just it was just a noise on YouTube you know and it like pops up that little sketch you know I'm like just go away I don't need that I'm not I'm not entirely sure what the point of that feature was in the first place it's like if you're gonna watch the news watch the news well I'm gonna watch a sports game watch a sports it's because one channel is not necessarily entertaining enough and if you you definitely bored if you're only watching one thing so this entertain it's I think it's to keep track of two football games for example it's really cool those who are like Buffalo Bills fans we need to have another picture of somebody actually winning to make a feel better okay the other thing to consider i guess is that p IP may have been killed by the smartphone yeah because everybody does two screens now whether they're on their laptop and watching TV or other on their phone doing something stupid or watching like looking at twitter right and also watching the game I'll throw that it might have a resurgence with these streaming services like PlayStation View for example allows you to literally watch four shows at once I think they might even be a nonsense so because they're streaming you know so they can just give you whatever you want on the screen and they have umpteen channels so you can throw four on there at once or two or whatever that's some neo Matrix I know kung fu bullcrap well just pointless it's it's if you have a lot of money riding on four different football games it's a really easy way to keep track of your wins and losses real time great so for the five people that that matters - thank you very much PlayStation video ok fine more than five people yeah I mean like you know it's at the bar I don't know I haven't done that but yeah it's it's it's gone away picture and pictures basically go on from TVs you know replaced again probably by phones and and maybe these streaming things we just watched a mini romance unfold in the chat from Stephan events and from Steven Dougherty of all-natural lemon and lime flavors which might be the best screen name to ever appear on this show Wow some foam we can never eat a skunk and then again some folks like you I Cletus the slackjaw yokel you thought of like the less savory one right right alright we are way over time but hey it's worth it cuz it's our last show of the week because we are gonna take a brief hiatus surrounding the Thanksgiving holiday so we'll see you folks back here on Cyber Monday buckle up yep and until then bye everything yes happy Black Friday I like fried turkey yeah I button anyway 3:59 is available on iTunes tune in feedburner stitcher google play music google podcast the amazon echo and of course cnet.com cats thanks so much for coming there's more really fun and thanks everybody for all your questions and we'll see you on Monday bye folks have a great holiday 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