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we've got giant tablets folding phones and hell maybe I'll even give up my recipe for slow-cooked beef chili in episode 5 for seven of the scene at UK podcast hello and welcome to the show joining me is of course rich hello how are you just this one name like prints oh that is actually my sin Satan yeah I mean that's what I've always called you but largely for other reasons good how are you yet very well thanks well looking forward to talking about the the foldable phone but but before we get ahead of ourselves let's dive straight into I know last week we talked a lot about Apple and Samsung and I said next week we won't talk about Apple and Samsung so we are kicking off by talking about Apple followed by Samsung I hope that's okay I mean it's it's it's quite rare that the Apple and Samsung both sort of do something big it's just like proper you know big tech giant's doing interesting things and sometimes there's a long wait for these things to happen I mean if you like we could talk about the new jet Xiaomi phones no that's not um yeah I mean Apple had their iPhone launch yeah and shortly after had their iPad and Mac launched both of those I had quite interesting products so that is why we are talking about them and the I personally quite neglected I think the effort has been neglected for quite a while like they've had very kind of incremental updates and but this time around Apple are doing something quite interesting so we have got the Refresh of the iPad pro coming on to forms twelve point nine inch and 11 inch but both are identical other than the size it's not like yeah you know like you're not on some smartphones you know you buy the smaller light version and what you actually get is light Hardware you get a pair down processor you get a crappy camera one camera this is these are the same cut the same hardware and that one is this bigger which is interesting yep but basically it's the iPad pro and this is the first time we've really see Apple I think moved towards that what they think is the future of computing these are if you excuse my little burp these are proper competitors to the MacBook Pro okay this isn't just for casual computing anymore these are high-end machines with the price to match now come on to the price but overall basically these are they're bigger they're more powerful we've got these narrow bezels with this refreshed design which looks a bit more we've got face ID on them now instead of having the fingerprint scanner so that screen stretches right to the edge you've got face unlock but without the notch so you get this fullscreen thing that those 3d and you don't get no and the phone has a notch yeah because there's a little bit more room on the tablet to kind of hide those scanners basically around the edges we've got USB see instead of lightning which is interesting ditching its own lightning standard the first they made the first honestly to make about lightning and again that's incredible that's huge it is huge but it brings it in line with the MacBook Pro which I have here which these also charge over USB see there's no lightning on here well it brings them very much in liners is if not replacement products very much sit synergists in synergism salinity lism um cool they you know the downside is no headphone jack ignore that got rid of that obviously they have yeah so you can use USB see headphones from any other phone you can also Bluetooth and but these are really these are powerful they talked a lot about how powerful these are for media for you can do 4k video editing multi-channel 4k video anything you can't you know you can't type but we have the type cover of course like another ones mmm but crucially now the thing that really sticks out for me and the reason I personally am so excited about these is the fact that these are the tablets on which we're going to see full Adobe Photoshop for versions of Adobe Photoshop right now we've got what like Photoshop Express and we've got Lightroom yeah both of which I do use on the iPad and I love using Lightroom on my tablet on location around they do they say Andy Hoyle he loved light room on the iPad it really does but what I don't have is Photoshop if I need to do any in-depth Photoshop work on location I have to take my whole MacBook with the charger and and it's heavy and I take that as well as my iPad this weighs quite a bit in a kit bag when I'm also carrying tens of thousands of pounds of photography equipment and this however now I could use full-fat Photoshop using touch controls using the new Apple pencil because they've updated the pencil in hand magnetizes to the edge nice and charges inductively which is so much better than the stupid way of shoving it into the charging port where it yea sticks out like a lollipop that's crazy which was bonkers so these are really interesting and certainly as I say are very much aimed towards MacBook Pro users people who like professional creatives like me I'm a professional photographer that's what I do patina as long as we've posting this podcast and annoying you I I do a lot of photography do something else I do that too does seem to take up a quite a bit of your time and that's what you kind of cool do you think that you could work full time on it on a tablet I don't know but I know I know what you mean I can see that you're excited about Photoshop but I mean I I'm a huge comic book fan I like to draw and procreate on the iPad pro something that comic art has been talking about for long time there was when the first iPad pro came along and there were a lot of comic artists going well maybe I'll try it out you know I'm looking to tempt me from my Wacom Cintiq and then more and more of them were going this is incredible and then people are starting to say well I've just done a whole page of proper proper professional comics on great on the iPad pro and that was before you know we've got this even more improved even more powerful version so it's because you already navigate your Mac using it you use a graphics tablet okay work which is normally something that is as its name suggests is for graphics professionals yeah yeah I prefer that to a mouse yeah I always have no I think I just find it easier I just find like using a graphics tablet is I think it's because you kind of you can type and you can sort of pick up yeah you know you've got the the pen on the graphics tablet and you're like touching on the tablet and it just seems quicker and it seems more mobile rather than just kind of like moving the little movements with your hands and doing the little clicks with the most I don't like using a mouse I've never liked using your mouse and I'm off using a graphics tablet tablet is it use it's just like a Wacom Bamboo one a little fun like the entry-level yeah the really basic ones and sort of like a kid one set so it's not a drawing on the screen or anything now it's drawing on the tablet but yeah so I've never I've never really liked mouse mouse is but I saw I can sort of see the iPad thing but I don't know if it feels like a sort of a psychological barrier more than anything else to sort of think that maybe could be I am so excited this for me genuinely without any kind of hyperbole this could be for me absolutely revolutionary this this because this would allow me I've done before when the first iPad pro camera I did a I did a story for seeing it where I I spent a week working on it doing as much of my actual salaried job on the iPad as I can and I could do 95% of it but it was when I got into kind of the deeper levels of photo production that I started to realize like AI actually can't do there so at the time when it first came out it wouldn't really work with RAW files and certainly in terms of using layers and Photoshop there was no way of doing that and now and I was constant when they talked about oh they'll be full fat Photoshop on iPod I thought okay that's fine but only probably it still probably gonna work for basic photo adjustments because the demands of working with like very high res images if you've got 50 layers on the gutter and stuff is the iPad so they're gonna cut it this well you think about is like what I was going to was because at the demo on stage they showed what looked like an insanely high resolution sort of looked like a merger gene like 3d CGI and photography and it was it looked like about a hundred layers deep and the resolution was massive they're going right in there making real-time adjustments there's no lag no delay everything on there is optimized completely to work on the iPad and with that software I use Lightroom on my Mac and I like every other Lightroom user I'm constantly frustrated about how slow and laggy it is it's bogged down switching between the library module them to develop module is like takes seconds and seconds and things well load into focus in quite the same way Photoshop is better but the idea of having that working so well on a completely touchscreen interface that is optimized to work with that is incredible now that's sound cool but you know one note of caution can you trust the demo because you know what they might have done my Photoshop did no they might Photoshop a demo shot the Photoshop demo you know the other downside with this of course is the price and that is where it becomes very clear that they are pitching this is a MacBook Pro alternative okay I'm ready go and hit me so it starts yeah the twelve point nine starts at nine six nine just under a thousand pounds but that is only with 64 gigabytes of storage if you're using this all row work you're gonna be full of exactly I I could not work with that at all that one terabyte version of the top model is one thousand seven hundred and nineteen pounds Wi-Fi only now if you ads then the Apple pencil which of course is a expensive extra and the keyboard case which you would also probably need an azure G so that brings that total price to two thousand one hundred and eighty seven pounds we are firmly in MacBook Pro territory here very very much so I mean I'd say I'm not defending that at all because that is an absolutely eye watering amount of money but let but it's good you've got to stay light and the form factor of an iPad with a terabyte of storage in it it's and and running Photoshop it's I mean that's an impressive piece of engineering it absolutely is that's whether it's worth like you know that's four three three months rent or no that's only three months run for you man you've got good rent I wish I was trying to I was trying to like you know sort of like connect with the plebs out in Oh outside of London yeah wow those guys rent there's no there's certainly no question it like I'm not saying this is so what I'm saying basically this is no question a lot of money that is 2100 man is a lot of money but I'm not saying it's too much money it actually for what you're getting it seems like a that's okay you you would pay you would invest that much money in what would be a really good tool to work with because well I going back to like if you're if you are a professional photographer working with a lot of clients one of the things that this would allow you to do having full Photoshop if you go to a client meeting and you're showing the results of a photo shoot and the post-production you've done in there instead of them sort of giving you notes on that yeah we like that maybe you could have this and maybe we could sort of change the color balance on this and do this you don't go away in and send them back this stuff this is work that you can do live in real time with them I mean yeah you could take your MacBook but you can show them on this amazing screen like you don't want to be in a meeting with with some client poking and prodding at your photos that you can fortunately that is a reality for a lot of a lot of pros in there and I think that was actually a genuinely a good use case of what you could do absolutely having the power to do that very quickly and easily there and show people I think that just makes the the iPad better than ever what it fair enough I mean I think the key thing about about the price really is that you know like you say this is MacBook Pro territory for the first time they've made a device that you could have instead of a MacBook Pro like up until now the iPad has always been a thing that you have as well as your laptop and in that case two thousand quid for a laptop and two thousand quid for a nightmare it's just crazy but if you're reaching the point where you don't buy the laptop you just get the iPad yeah then it's also been in your media consumption device in an evening it's your TV if you're in a hotel and say oh it's great so actually if you work it in those terms it's not that expensive and of course you don't have to have the one terabyte one there is a 512 gig one which makes it a little bit more affordable but for me like it's definitely really exciting but but so much of my excitement really does boil down to Photoshop it's down to Adobe's app rather than the iPad itself the iPad is just the vehicle for that as it is for anything but really for me it's about that Photoshop and I don't think that's going to be on it will be available on other iPads how well it runs I don't know I'm not sure if it's gonna be coming out on Android on Android tablets because well that's it I mean what about Android tablets like they've always been the the poor relation over they have and that is and that is still very much the case there's a lot less excitement around them Samsung still does have some and crucially Google launched at when it launched the pixel 3 it launched the Google pixel slate which is effectively their answer to the iPad pro it is has not androids actually Chrome OS okay rather than Android is different it may basically more of a office tool in many ways it's kind of geared towards you know using Chrome using Google Docs that's the other thing and in which case I they have versions going from like a basic Intel Celeron processor which I think starts at I'm not sure about I think 500 pounds fish going through to a very powerful Intel Core i7 processor with a gig of ram or sadena thing and that's like 1,500 pounds a lot more expensive yeah and a lot of people said like well what's the given its Chrome OS and they those very intense apps like Photoshop and not available on there what's the point of having such high powered hardware if it's basically a consumption device for YouTube and Google Docs then the basic tablet will do that really well which is an argument I see I have not used the pixel slight crucially I'm getting one on Monday or Tuesday next week I think and I'm really looking forward to seeing how that we should revisit this yeah I'm gonna be revisiting this I'm gonna use it hopefully I'm going to be using both for at least a week at a time exclusively and I'm gonna be able to kind of talk about what actually is like to work cuz I do a bit of everything from word processing writing stories the photo production a little bit of video here and there although our extra talented producer behind the camera over there as a one who you'll really see doing a video work so but I think we'll never see him you'll never see him do anything unless he wants to walk into frame now which you're welcome to do JC Kyle I give my wave but it's a good I think I think I could give them a good workout generally you know for things and I mean you need to do some spreadsheets and stuff just to you know pretend like you're an accountant or I'm gonna work on the Henderson account rich niggas on my desk by the end of the day otherwise you need yesterday of course it wasn't just the iPad there Apple has been talking about though yeah we also had some long overdue updates the MacBook Air and okay has really been the Forgotten child of Apple for several years now I think they've had at best a couple of like basic processor upgrades when Intel really good I mean that's the thing about the MacBook Air it's just pretty it's a lightweight laptop they're just I mean there's this one right here right now I've had this for a while this is fantastic you use really well and and it is but the problem is that Apple has been kind of like upgrading the models on either side so since the MacBook Air launched they also then launched the MacBook you know that this standard very very thin and light one which for people who just do you know like office work word processing web browsing that sort of thing that the MacBook is brilliant for that and then if you want to do more people go for the MacBook Pro which is why the air is kind of falling into this middle ground the middle child forgotten middle child that hasn't really had the love and attention but Apple is of coming now and it's it's beefed up the processes of course and it's thrown in a Retina display with with narrower bezels which again the Retina displays been out in max for so long and the MacBook Air is only just getting it now and also fingerprint and lock so it's I do like that that's got that's pretty cool III love using on my pro but it needs it is it just seems a little bit like yeah we're giving it the basic upgrades that it needs it still kind of seems like the MacBook Air isn't really a priority for Apple it's just it's bringing it kicking and screaming into today's market but I don't really think it's much of a priority it's very clear where their emphasis is and that's in the iPad hmm even the iPad even the MacBook Pro doesn't really seem to be like a huge deal for Apple its innovation is going into the into the iPad so I'm so excited to see what happens there I've also AM the Mac Mini which is even more forgotten about than the air Wow I'd even forgotten that was the thing actually I thought about getting one of those recently and I looked and they're still really expensive for something that's so out of date yeah for something that is it you know desktop you can't take it with you you can't it stays at your TV your monitor are there yeah yeah they are quite expensive and they still up they still are they even new on it they start at 1099 pounds I mean that's not very many is it no it's not very many I and I and I kind of think that's a mistake I think they would do really well and having a really stripped back version was about four hundred quid yeah that's that's what I wanted I mean that was well for something that gives you kind of Mac OS you can use iCloud and do the essentials and is a lot less than a grand and spending that much and again you probably you probably got more demanding needs yeah that said they've packed them with new processes better faster RAM and I think was not sure if his discrete graphics in there but either way graphics capable enough to handle some games and photo and video productions so okay yeah maybe maybe we'll get a Mac come in again give it to our producer see what you make of it he's not they're not looking happy about it now as the killer design see how that goes well so that's Apple that's some interesting new stuff from Apple yes I think you should move on to Samsung sure what Samsung been up to well samsung has yet again shown off a foldable phone hmm right a phone that will display that can fold up holding ham is it like an intended yes it's almost like a Nintendo DS or maybe like a Bible except that the screener bigs are available books are available yeah the August catalog for the VDS has two screens with joined with a hinge whereas this is one screen that folds is it though isn't it two screens or is there a second skin on the outside second screen on the outside right got it so what happens is basically this the idea is that this when it's closed use the outside screen to see basic information it works kind of like a regular smartphone yeah exactly but when you want it to be when you want when you want to tablet you open it up and inside is a bigger display pretty cool is a really cool idea and we've seen concepts from Samsung since I think 2013 2012 maybe when they first started showing these things off in CES yeah and we've seen concepts from LG and various other companies where oh yeah we've got Visia spikes a ball screen so like we know the tech is there but it's never really come to anything but Samsung has actually said this is real and according to Justin Dennison who is and reading his notes Samsung's senior vice presidents of mobile marketing said he will be mass-produced in the coming months and that's pretty interesting because these have just been proof of concept and nothing more and the demo that they showed was also like it kind of like someone standing in the dark with a case on the thing I mean did people as you get their hands on the nose so as far as I know no no one's really kind of done anything it's very much what we what we saw is the proof of concept it's still not the finished phone but we know a lot more about it we knew do know that it's coming so DJ cozy EO of Samsung's mo our business actually told there's an interview last month that you'll be able to use the device as a tablet with multitasking capability before being able to follow it up into a more portable phone now we saw at the Samsung's event this week we saw a demo of Flipboard which is like the news sort of magazine style yemm's app you see on the outside of the phone the basic quick access panels so you know for like quick news and that sort of thing and when you fold it out and you get the full magazine style Flipboard experience that's a really good idea I think that's really interesting but I do you think it's a gimmick I don't think it's a gimmick I mean I one thing about that is that is that whenever we go down these kind of like alternative form factor routes there's always going to be a time when there are apps that just don't work yeah because you know the app makers the great thing about them you know for example iOS or you know some versions of Android is the great thing about that is that app developers just make one version of the app yeah it just works on every device yeah and it's when you start getting like different form factors and stuff that they've got to start making two versions yeah happen like are they going to bother making a version for an app if Samsung only sold three and a half of these and that's always in the case with Samsung and Android at large they're all fragmentation issues I've got a optimized one app for screens that can vary from four point five to eight inches exactly yeah which is very difficult I guess I don't think it's given though I think generally it's a great day it's obviously it I think it's gonna happen and it's clearly I mean like the the benefits are obvious of being able to fold your phone up and i'm een i'm gonna call it right now i said you know digital tablecloth you know you pull out you pull out your phone and you like you look at your email and stuff and then you go you know what i want to watch a movie or something just like throw it out and it goes straight over the table and you've got the whole table sized thing and you can you just you watch your movie on the table that would be good yeah the CEO said that this excuse me will not be a gimmick product and that would disappear after six to nine months after it's delivered i mean he says that though how'd it what about the I mean the edge was there kind of previous sort of attempt at doing something very different and everyone was excited about you know phones with with curved edges and they're still here it's still we should have every fall of Samsung's current phones have their most high-end Android phones the huawei mate 20 probe there's Garr they're all doing they've all got maybe maybe the edges aren't active like Samsung's you know Samsung actually has software that takes advantage of that edge sure but most of them do you have that rounded as a design trend at the very least those rounded edges of the screen are still there but something has been very big on gimmicks in the past like we have had they've done like curved banana phones when you know and curved phones yeah I think 3d phones it had the camera phones like we've had the Samsung Galaxy camera or the K zoom weather like how people want a really good camera so why don't we basically get one of our actual compact digital cameras which is massive and sort of give it basic Android functionality and an idea that in theory is kind of cool but in reality is you don't want to carry around this gigantic camera as your phone all the time and so something has very much been known to throw out the gimmicks and see what lands see what works in a way that there never has mud at the wall something's gonna stick you know that's kind of why Samsung has very often being sort of the antithesis of Apple and will do the one product and it will do it well something is a little bit more scattergun it will try these concepts it will put them out it will look it's been very often known to launch things only in certain markets sometimes only ins in South Korea its home market see what the market says and then give it a go and that's kind of the issue that it has with this because you talked about like developers like well I'll develop this is something that's going to rely on developers getting on board and making apps making software it's going to take advantage of it but are they going to be keen if this is something that some some kind of ditches after yeah right up for its first cycle are we going to have a Samsung foldy phone 2 and a 2 s and whatever I think they're going to be careful about is is if they're the first ones in I mean it's all too playful because this is a brand new marketing they're the first ones in then they might clean up the market I mean you could argue that's kind of Apple did with the iPad yeah the words I was before that but they were the first kind of major one that capture the market and I think it sounds like we want to be doing the same but they don't want to go in too early I feel like 3d was kind of undercooked when that started very much so 3d TVs 3d phones all that kind of stuff and you know a lot of people went in early and went in hard and took a bit of a bath on the whole thing and yeah yeah exactly something's got to be careful I mean I think when this does happen it's gonna be really cool yeah it could be that it's a few generations away yeah yeah I'm not sure it's gonna necessarily be there because we I mean we we call the note a gimmick we're not first launch off its massive phone it's a phone half tablet how ridiculous and that's kind of laughable looking back now as a son of a success and of the note line and how all phones are bigger even yo notice now so that is what I know a gimmick of theirs which it's duck that they threw them out of the wall and that time I did stick you know it may well be that this is the case so as I say we what we saw isn't the final version what we've heard about it's gonna presumably have some refinements hopefully tie the industrial design as it looked a little bit blocky looked almost like it was in a test case basically it's quite possible then that we will see something at CES in January or possibly even at Mobile World Congress in February I think it's crossed now the thing is I think it can be interesting about that timing though is there MWC in February or around that time is when Samsung launches its flagship S series live es9 yeah this year we do to have the s10 now that should be a bit of a milestone phone for Samson particularly when the preview of the previous s9 and si have been kind of they've done fine they've done okay they have not been big sellers for Samsung because people aren't really excited about some of the stuff that something's doing so I think it's been really interesting to see whether they launched an s10 which is a generally just very good high-end phone and they launched a foldable phone in the same rough time period running the risk of overshadowing the excitement of the s9 or the sari more the s10 is the folding phone and they go all in on the new tech and the there and their new mass-produced flagship phone is this new foldable show thing because that that would be its plane that is all in in poker isn't it that is all your chips playing them all at once no powder is dry yeah everything in big I went to call them and know when to fold them absolutely better at words than I am so I think it's gonna be really interesting time period slink Samson could end up if it if it goes the to phone option then it could end up stealing a lot of excitement from its own flagship hmm which may not be something it wants to do know we'll check back in the new year yes absolutely so I think I probably enough of phones and tech for a little while something we should move on to well see beam up to you Pardo well I'm glad you said it in such a lovely way because last episode and I was if you remember gearing up for Red Dead Redemption to right yeah now I had planned this lovely weekend and I'm gonna tell you a little bit about it rich cuz shove it I'm gonna set the scene so I had booked Friday and Monday off work officially and so I had a good four days of playing the Red Dead I've sat at my house I bought in American beers Goose Island IPAs because they're the only ones I could find that were actually made in the US in Morrison's I had slow-cooked a beef chili twelve hours slow cook well oh my god it was so good I also made cornbread which is apparently quite traditional to have with the chili sure I was delicious and yeah I sat down and I played the game and I've never played Red Dead Redemption before I didn't play the first one and I'd heard a lot about it and I'd be told I'd really like it because I like Kraft auto v which is the same producers mm-hmm and I really liked that game I loved the story the plot I loved how the game kind of pans out so I was really excited to go all-in on Red Dead 2 is apparently like an insane milestone in gaming of like the technical achievements that they've done and I found out myself of that is true yes so this is a video game set in a western world it's an open-world yeah storyline wise it's a prequel to read dead one it is it comes before John Marston does all these stuff and it but it is still is set in the same world it is the Old West of America kind of as the Old West is coming to an end and you know modern America as we know it is sort of starting to yet to take hold so it is it if a storyline is interesting I'm not going to give any spoilers but it's an interesting gripping storyline I've really enjoyed playing for it I'm nowhere near finished but it's all the aside stuff that just makes this game immense and even if you're not fancying doing the storyline there are so many other side quest so many other things you can do you can just bugger off and go fishing you can look after your horse and it's his the world itself is absolutely enormous it takes ages to get around because it's so big I genuinely know you can just spend half an hour trying to get to your next mission that sounds absolutely terrible that just why would you want it can you fast forward can you make your horse there is your horse can go reasonably fast and there are sort of fast travel options you can take trains and stuff but for the most part like it's just really so you have to commute this is a video game where you you know you you you relax you take a few days off work to relax and enjoy some mindless violence and what are you end up doing you end up commuting and having to eat and find food and skin animals and it's just it's just work differently well it's escapism because you're working in was amazingly produced landscape I don't beautiful it is already a stunning part of the world's that whole area anyway and is it's so well rendered and it's pushing the graphics capabilities beyond what we currently have and so really does just look stunning everything about it right again the storyline the voice acting the just the dynamics within the game everything you do you know even down to things that seemed a flight when if you're if you accidentally kill your horse hmm it's dead it's permanently dead it's not like oh you've been working on building up this horses stats and it's bond with you and all this stuff so you know if it accidentally falls off a cliff and dies go to the stable and it'll be there waiting for you know it's dead he's fully dead and like that it really does change things for you cuz when the first time that happened I didn't realize that would be the case and so when I then got a new horse that again I had to buy start from scratch to build up but it really starts to mean something to you really feel committed okay so what is your doing and you're on you're more careful like everything matters hmm it's really it's it's really well done though the reviews possible it have been stellar like it was his fives but I mean that's funny you say it because the only thing I've really seen from not being much a gamer I just kind of picked up on Twitter a lot of videos of horses running into things oh yeah there's a lot of a lot of that yes just horses running into other horses yeah well she's running into rocks yeah she's running off cliffs but might yeah mine run off a cliff with me on it and I was unscathed my horse was not yeah I know I think I think maybe I landed on the horse really took the brunt of that over that fall and now that horse is dead for good I hope you're happy with yourself yep but I replace you with Mary Poppins so I've got Mary Poppins is my and also it's married couples be fair is a better horse because I got this I got my new horse later in the game or I had access to better quality stables and so it actually came at a time when I wanted to upgrade anyway and and now when I walk around loads people compliment my horse in the street like what a fine all-day thing it's kind of like in granted or somewheres if you when you get like a Lambo or some equivalent and we drive it around someone will say like cool car or something it's the Lambo of horses it is the Lambo it is a supercar of horses and I'm really glad to be on it and you can drift the horse really yeah you can't actually drift the holes so there you go that's right that's kind of late a little bit you know over an overview it's not a full review because we don't review games but it does and he looks great so I think I said last time like I I play I've got a cello it's a 4k HDR OLED TV so like it which is fully enabled to play that game because it's 4k enabled to HDR enable and it just looks stunning online TV it just looks amazing so it's worth if you have never played one before or if you have done play it if you've got the right TV and you know you can really enjoy all those details then then do because absolutely is superb and if you are a fan of games then check out games Broadcom our sister site I'm not a huge gaming guy but I do love westerns so I was kind of excited by this but then I heard the business about you have to ride your horse everywhere and it takes your ideas to get places so I'm kind of yeah it's like it's it's slow-paced in that in that there's a lot of time spent between things and that has actually put a lot of people off but mmm it does kind of work because it again it feels like you're really part of that world you have you have a good way it's not just constant you have the good and the bad and the ugly yeah with a fistful of dead horses yeah it sounds good I mean like I said I'm a big fan of Western so I'm quite excited to see westerns being you know kind of having having their moment in the spotlight that's that's that's pretty cool Deadwood it they're making a movie of Deadwood alley yeah they are yeah that's just started filming I don't Balladur Buster Scruggs will be on Netflix next week that's the new Coen Brothers movie that's a Western anthology yeah which is kind of fun very lightweight very frothy but it's boots fun so yes Boardwalk Empire at all Western II or is it in that era no no that's in the that's in the twenties I was like Prohibition era prohibition area okay I've never seen it which is now plainly clear it's I mean it's very good it's kind of from a similar people who worked on Deadwood he's very very good but it's not Western would you recommend I watch it very much so I love bored okay bye yeah I'm gonna go yeah thanks look all right cool well yeah look out for look out for Ballad of Buster Scruggs next week as well yeah while we're on topics of me actually having watched things cuz normally as regular Sanders will know I haven't really watched any anything TV or films many but I have been binge watching Gotham cool which is great that's all I'll say I know I'm really late to it so you know it's not like I'm oh I found this little thing that you may not have heard of I know it's a big deal and I'm very late but is good and I'm enjoying it it's crazy and it's a lot of fun Gotham yeah yeah yeah another another show another TV show that that is that I'm a big fan of his Star Trek discovery now the first season was earlier in the year and the second season starts in January okay but in between they are doing these things called short tracks which are a little kind of online mini episodes like a little hike yeah a little hike through the Star Trek universe little hike through space a little little little sojourn to the final frontier the that unfortunately you can't see that in Europe they're working on getting these into other places if you're in the US or Canada you can see it on CBS all access which is CBS is streaming service see this apparent company you can't no you can see Star Trek Discovery on Netflix everywhere in the world which is lovely but you can't see the short tricks what are we doing before I criticize too much again my our parent company I'm gonna have to say I'm gonna have to be honest and say that is bonkers it's it is frustrating for Star Trek fans I mean the thing is so far they're bit they're kind of like their little the mini episodes they're kind of little asides the most recent one though is kind of inching the reason I brought this up is it's it's set on the discovery but the discovery it's been abandoned mysteriously and we don't know why the crew is missing and the Discovery's computer is just holding the ship there in space waiting and a new character comes along and has a little adventure on this government to people they just wake up on this there's one person who wakes up and then there's also the ship's computer is that not mmm now I haven't seen this film but is that not um not interstellar maybe interstellar the wrong with Chris Pratt passengers passengers is that not is that not past it well it's certainly to have someone wake up alone on a ship is kind of a a sci-fi trope certain something you might see in red dwarf and you might see in passengers and stuff at that and this is kind of a track taken it but the reason it's interesting the reason we think is interesting way is because it was written by the best-selling author Michael Chabon who is the guy who wrote The Adventures of Kavalier and clay and Wonder Boys and the yudish policeman's Union and lots of other very heavy weight literary novels and he's kind of nothing like I know yeah he's he's he's a big champion of genre fiction he's he's kind of into sci-fi and horror and comics and that kind of thing he he's kind of more and more writing short stories and novels that have kind of become more and more sci-fi as he's as his career is kind of progressed and so now he is in the writers room of a new TV show being developed in the Star Trek universe which will feature the return of Captain jean-luc Picard Oh to be played once again by Patrick Stewart and they're not doing like an earlier version likely to do some of the Star Trek films where they get like young hmm they're not know I mean I think it would be quite cool I'd love to see Tom Hardy come back and play but Captain Picard again he played like a clone of Captain Picard in one of the movies pretty cool um he he might be I don't know I think he might be a bit maybe he's a bit kind of out of their price range now I don't know but but yeah Patrick Stewart's back and Michael che when he's working on it and he also wrote this short episode but it was I had an instinct chat with him about Star Trek and where Star Trek is relevant nowadays and how much fun he had nerding out so we're gonna listen to a little clip of that him I think any Star Trek writer any writing any Star Trek show in the history of Star Trek may be absolutely after the original series had a responsibility and r32 arm to consider Shannon - to be aware of cannon to know you cannon on TV no sense of responsibility to it you know all of those things for me is probably cue for a lot of miners and weird undercover there's nobody even me like that's all incredible pleasure for me so I got you to sort of have like a litany excuse and get please - move out completely the Freak the breach of the treaty between the Federation and the Romulans in 20 to 35 or whatever it is you know like the - to have to like you know can have to know to have to master the lore of Star Trek in order to do your job is like that's like if that's one of the reasons I want to do it that's when the pleasures I get out of doing but at the same time and I think this has been true in the history of Star Trek um from the one from the moment the next generation came on air you know it this is true oh when you're dealing with any kind of candor mrs. drew or any kind of fan fiction as well it's not only the whole you're always gaps or cracks or contradictions there are things that got left out their histories that we never got to hear with the explanation of people are looting in Cannon and they don't give any further explanations I mean maybe the greatest example in all cannon ever is the giant rat of Sumatra from Sherlock Holmes in other areas some vision into this cases the giant that Sumatra and it's the among the stories and fans and one ever since I'd like to try to come up with more possible explanations for that no you don't get I think it's important not just if you can manage the barriers as a wall as a perimeter brought beyond that you can't go as a kind of grid that you're sort of trapped on it's also you try to find your way around it you try to find the loopholes you find the empty areas you find the good things but what Canon doesn't seem to have anything to say and you see and you say it if you're really lucky in it to be working on subjective and what you say becomes can in itself I must be quite exciting for them because Star Trek is one of those genres one of the what not jhana is one of those properties that hmm that fluctuates massively sort of depending on what it is that you're saying and I mean was there this the space to joke that every odd-numbered Star Trek movie is bad yeah so I think it would be quite excited to have someone who's of such high esteem in the literary world actually being part of that that writing process I think definitely and there's always been something kind of quite high-minded about Star Trek I would say I mean the you know my crochet buddy made in this into you which is online you can read it now if you just search CNET for Star Trek discovery or Michael Schaben and he made the excellent point that Star Trek has always been about tolerance and egalitarianism and I sort of utopian view of the future and he points out that dystopian sci-fi is a little bit cliched at the moment partly because we are living in a dystopian sci-fi world so it's quite it so you know there's the Star Trek will always be important in because it does have that really you know powerful message of hope and tolerance and equality and peace and thinking our way out of our problems and and and so it's it's yeah it is great to see that kind of continued and that's kind of one of these things exciting that Captain Picard because he is kind of like the exemplar of that so it's good to see that character coming back and we didn't tell us much about the details of show because their kilts still kind of keep it on the list of working it out as far as we can tell okay and but yeah we're looking forward to that so that's show coming up soon but you will be able to get discovery season 1 on blu-ray this month in fact and season 2 will be back in January so look out for that I'm a big fan it's gosh I wasn't sure about it first but it kind of I realized what they were trying to do and I thought it was really good by the end well I've seen no Star Trek's almost at all with the exception I went to the premiere of is it into darkness really well the one with the worst one is it yeah the one that had cucumber patch in it yeah yes the baddie you you were there for the worst one well done okay I'm going mad something you said before yeah is is that really the case that what is Michael Chabon know here we're talking about the old some honey yes yes Tom Hardy played young he did he played so you may remember the movie Star Trek nemesis the other worst one of all the worst ones out of the were Star Trek's it was the it was like the most action-oriented start of the next generation movie and it wasn't great but he played a young Romulan clone of Captain Picard it was one of his first major roles and he was very very good in it so they're suggesting that Tom Hardy is going to grow up into Patrick steal it maybe that's who he becomes maybe maybe him down a little bit I think he might have had a nose I think him over a false nose you know because Tom Hardy he usually has to put on a voice but I thinking this one he put on the nose was anything else no that's it I'm out walking is on Netflix tomorrow I think we talked about that the other week it wants to be like Braveheart it's not quite as good at Braveheart some of it is Scottish it's but it's incredibly Scottish it's Chris Chris Pine Captain Kirk from the the reboot of Star Trek movies about being being Scottish she's being Scotty and Scottish he's not Scottish he is from like I don't know Scottish actor and is so lacking an act apparently they had to bring in an America well this I think it's a lot like Braveheart in that it's the the famous American guy what Mel Gibson was a famous Australian guy but it's the famous American guy playing the King and then every other Scottish actor ever like you will recognize every single person in it from like you know all the telly prime suspect and my prime suspect that target yeah tiger other yeah Bergerac and other relevant contemporary timely pop-culture references how-do-you-do fellow kids as I like how father Ted used every single Irish comedian like if you were an Irish comedian on the circuit and you haven't appeared in my entire day you were obviously like what had gone wrong yeah exactly so there's a lot like all the Scottish guys are in it it's it's kind of fun it's it's just like the new Braveheart it's yeah without so I needed a Braveheart because yeah because because we can't really enjoy Mel Gibson anymore so yeah this is like the Braveheart that it's you're allowed to like maybe that's what Netflix did it that's what it is really they wanted to buy net Braveheart I like deal let's just make our own that's just even better I mean if you like if you if you like gone do be found the Scottish Highlands there's lots of there's lots of locks yeah but I just had to go there I don't need to sit at home watching it I can just go because it's only two it's only like a 12 hour drive from here easy to do cool rich I think that probably brings us to a close hey so can people find you online oh you know around the usual rich night well and on Twitter on Twitter you come at me with a battery HQ on Twitter and Instagram of course and you can find seeing it with app see net on pretty much all channels or you can email the show directly with see it what is it that's seen at UK podcast at CBS i.com seen at UK podcast at cbs.com you can find some Flipboard as well we talked about that a bit earlier and you can find us on there it's very exciting really yep yeah we're all over football that's it snapchat what you follow people football no some people might I don't know I'm gonna get I'm gonna get an iPad pro and then then maybe okay yeah well we'll figure this one out maybe by next episode we'll have got our together but I wouldn't count it thank you very much for joining us and we'll see you next time bye-bye