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fresh out the box stop look and watch ready yet get set it's the 359 podcast on BB G and here in the seats we have the classics the oh geez we got Roger Chang and Ben Fox Reuben and we are finally back at full steam yeah I'm still taking it in like I I've been I've been in LA for three weeks they changed things while you're being changed yes I look a lot better on camera right no no no no now that people people can see more of the blemishes on your face well there's that at least you're welcome audience for all that so what are we talking about the budget phones whether or not you should give up your iPhone for a cheaper Android phone is it worth it it might be it might be considering how much the item the next iPhone is gonna Christ and we'll break down the Tesla Model 3 which just rolled off as best we can as we can for some people right and consumers are just getting it I think we've got the full review yet but you know Tim Stevens is taking a look at it yeah especially this one's $35,000 so as always they do a good product launch sorry about that guys as always if you have any questions about either of these topics leave them in the comment section Ryan will pick out the best and we'll get to them in 3 minutes and 59 seconds from 3 to welcome to the 359 I'm Roger Chang I'm Ben Fox Ruben so we're finally back after a bit of a pseudo hiatus I mean we were back I was back last week man kind of I was break up Thursday doing it without you all right but we're gonna be talking about Tesla they were talking about sorry Tesla Model 3 before that we'll be talking about budget phones and whether or not you should give up your crazy expensive iPhone for a budget Android phone which the crazy expensive iPhone is expected to get even crazier and more expensive Apple is expected to cram all sorts of new tech into its 10th anniversary i phone but with it the price is expected to go above a thousand dollars I saw I could go above $1400 so that makes these microphones just valuable to consider bit of context they're like the starting price for an iPhone right now is $650 it's already fairly expensive service charges and yet the the new iPhone X iPhone 8 whatever could go to a thousand fourteen hundred dollars depending on your configuration which you know ah son makes a lot of these Android phones seem a lot more attractive we're not talking about the high-end guys right we're not talking about the motors ease of the the Galaxy s8 talk about the Moto G 5 plus or the Moto e 4 these are phones that are closer to 300 to $130 phones I've barely heard of right one of these is plastic what is it the e4 is a plastic phone it's like retro it's rich plastic right it's not gonna break when you drop it which is nice there is that yeah but no so look one of our columnist Rick brought up you know temporarily gave up his iPhone for a $180 Android phone it's the Nokia $680 through Amazon's discount program mm-hmm and you know he said there are shortcomings but you can actually live with this phone I mean it there you know there's some sacrifices you make but you know it's it's they're not that bad right no would you consider I'm just curious would you consider you know taking that big plunge into Android world it's yeah well they're definitely getting a budget phone like this because it's probably gonna get dropped in the toilet a few times but I think it really depends how much the iPhone price is going to be it's also the expectation of there are gonna be three different kinds and the ultra premium one I probably wouldn't be on the market for but at the same time Samsung is doing a really good job where like instead of not only switching over to the Android world but switching over from the flagship world yep you know if I was really gonna switch to Android I would probably stick with like a Samsung Galaxy s8 or something like that and get some of the like the next you know the high feeds and speeds right so thing our reviews editor Patrick Holland you know broke down the the to budget moto phones are out there you're really looking for one got kind of a premium feel to it actually the the g5 plus is not a bad option but if you want to save money the e4 is definitely the budget phone to beat and then next up we've got the Tesla Model 3 yeah this was this was like the big hotness that happened over the weekend that Elon Musk started to send out this is the first runs of the Model 3 so now they're here and $35,000 electric vehicle which is actually a good price considering past Tesla vehicles have been way more yeah 67,000 plus whatever so we did our the Roadshow folks put together a pretty good comparison as far as putting this up against the Chevy bolt which is also an electric vehicle and the bolt is a little bit more expensive as a base model it's around like 37 v instead of 35 top speed is a little bit slower than the Tesla Model 3 it's also a little bit smaller but the range is a little bit better you get about 238 miles per charge versus 220 as you would expect the 0 to 60 is better with the Tesla Model 3 sure the big question for me okay so like I went through a bunch of those specs fine the question is is like is the model 3 really gonna get a lot of people to jump on board to electric vehicles I think the price is still prohibitive yeah most people I know that it gets you closer into like the you know middle class market but it's it's gonna be a tough sell for most folks yeah there are you you're marketing to people who again need to have access to a they could put their car into which seems like a simple thing but it it's not something everyone has yeah I guess a jam party that's a good point you can't park it on the street no you need a garage which not everybody had and you need a garage with a power hookup like I have a garage in my apartment complex there's no outlet I can I couldn't plug in a Tesla there yeah so I still not sure if this is really gonna make the big transition to electric vehicles but I mean I think I think it's gonna go a lot longer way than past Tesla vehicles for sure the price is attractive I know there are plenty of people who are really excited about this but yeah in terms of actually making it turning into a mainstream thing yeah so alright yeah did you like anything oh sorry that was it basically I can do it for you and it for me dude yeah if you liked any of these stories check them out on CNET I'm Ben Fox Ruben I'm rod Jiang thanks for listening well just cut out that part no let's keep it very endearing I kind of like forgot how we ended the show like I was gonna end it the way we did don't say yeah so I'm mad at both of you for not getting my intro reference it was the intro to the TV show all that with a song by TLC wow that's a deep cut right there yeah help me out I was kind of trying to place it in the middle and then like the podcast began and I forgot about yeah yeah we must have ran way over 4 minutes because I realize I was looking around like yeah we got rid of the climb well you were gone what it was Brian's decision oh my god yeah so we don't say that to the questions Matthew or the deck that's your nickname now yeah speaking of iPhones is there a future to the iPhone se yeah yes absolutely they've already yeah they've already released second iteration it will essentially be unchanged and it'll look the same it'll be smaller because it's going after that that customer who wants a smaller phone that cheaper phone and a cheaper phone but it'll have probably better specs you know a slightly faster processor or whatever yeah all that stuff that you've got being said Apple is very very interested in continually increasing its average sales price for its phones yes so you know I think the question in a certain way gets it the fact that like Apple is always trying to upsell you so it doesn't really want you to get the se and wants me to get like those super expensive plus you know limited edition whatever whatever this like third new iPhone is gonna be there they're praying everybody buys that one even though it'll be in probably limited quantities yeah clarify before we go any further were you talking about the bolt with a be fault bolt both will be just to clarify the vault no sometimes laptop speakers are a little in discerning okay yes the Chevy bolt which is there that one that one is it like a more direct comparison I was you said that stupid marketing decision on their part they could have done a better job it wasn't you it was I think yeah they felt like they did a good job branding the vault that that's what I think about when I hear both its the vault was first yeah which is why a lot of people still think vault yeah yeah the next one is going to be called so we are still on the topic of the iPhone se and Adam wants to know whether will there be 3d touch for the iPhone se I would say no yeah I think they're gonna keep that as more of like a super consumer friendly not just consumer friendly they're just stripping it down so like all the bells and whistles are on the main iPhone if you want that you've got to pay up for it for a reason yeah I mean like it's gotten to the point where they're not really even adding some of it well this is existed since the Plus existed is that they don't add a lot of those features that are in the plus into the original iPhone again because they're trying to upsell you yeah it's interesting that a lot of the questions are about the budget iPhone se mmm-hmm I'm scared that people are willing to like switch from an iPhone and Android or like if they want to go budget they're just looking at the SEO out there like is that is that is that your budget option is it tse cuz I would argue they're probably better phones on the Android side from a spec perspective Oh without a doubt that more competition right so fancy you're kind of getting less I would say you're getting less bang for your buck mm-hmm Kevin points out that the bowl and volt both have to do with electricity yeah we get that but it's still like fanatics yeah like trying to decipher it over gravity laptop speakers on a podcast the old family of cars I call one like though of Bolton and the other the Zap or something I don't know I don't know we chevy parts a lot on the show so but like sure that's the thing is that the model yeah we need Tim Stevens on it sits we should have him on if he travels travels everything everywhere he's not here and when he comes he graces he Grace's us with his presence for a few minutes right he's off adventure I think it's I think it's well noted though that even though we don't talk about cars aligned the model 3 was like they they do a really good job with product launches because I mean they treat it like a product launch when was the last time you saw another car company presenting a car we're like you know everybody's sitting up being like oh my god the first run is coming out this weekend this is they're really really good at marketing these things which is partly why we're talking about it is that they create a lot of excitement around oh yeah yeah you don't get excited for the next Camry no but I should you guys found that YouTube channel called regular car reviews no I turned him on to that at the Auto Show this year and I think I might have blown his mind a little bit it's a fantastic YouTube channel if anybody's out there is just like into cars and you want to like get away from super high-end like the future of cars and get into like not even a good version of the history of cars I say that it sounds negative because this guy's channels incredible he's gonna review like the Chevy Impala and it's it sounds like such a dumb idea on paper but it's hysterical and like he'll bring in like a Yugo and crappy old models it's it's pretty priceless if you have in being like jokey or it's like I resent sincere information but at the same time it's a little tongue-in-cheek yeah I really enjoy it and I don't know anything about cars so I don't know I found it enjoyable a little shout-out to to regular car reviews right yeah yeah that's the thing with a lot of these like everybody's car reviews is that it's like the latest and greatest stuff so yeah I don't I'm I'm currently not in the market for a model 3 and I don't I don't know that I ever will be maybe eventually maybe one day so I myself have recently made the switch from iPhone to Android nice very well I was a couple months ago but I have an unfair perspective because I drowned an iPhone that I had so I got kind of a purpose throw a slash burner Android it's the HTC One and as much as the operating system Android is great that phone model is a little old which which one I don't know here you tell me because it could be like the m9 or the ancient ancient burner phone but I feel like I'm operating within the realm of the the budget phone conversation that we're having right now maybe not at the time when that was released by the driveway it's basically kind of fresh at the box itself ok well first of all if you can share how much did you spend on it and second did you miss anything from again flagship I'm so it was actually a gift as someone who took sympathy on me for drowning my iPhone ok very necessarily a loyal Apple is just lazy and I've kind of been grandfathered in the only thing I really miss about it is I'm still kind of getting used to the notification systems and it's a very minor detail about that operating system but there is a little bit of a learning period to get used to that because it is different but otherwise like it does all the same damn stuff the camera sucks because it's old but I can live with that own take like aren't there little things that kind of bug you but like with an iPhone user you're trained to like DoubleTap your home button to multitask and it's a separate Android like it's not I don't think it's better worse like they're just like little things that you remember doing your iPhone your Android phone doesn't work yeah I got you said that real quick though I mean those are tiny little I might have that we Anacortes I switch between yeah I can imagine that'd be weird is anybody out there in the chat constantly going back and forth between iPhone and Android I'm kind of curious to see how you adjust and how your brain kind of works or that because there is a very subtle kind of interpersonal mechanical things that are different find shortcuts for how you use your phone you find the optimal way to use it and and then you switch the operating system and it's just different of that all those shortcuts are like worthless so you've gotta learn all these new things the problem is it's like switching in from like every five minutes or so it's like it's confusing my brain can only handle yeah isn't that your job now I'm terrible by job all right before we wrap it up for the day Roger tell us about your trip Oh awesome yeah just my wife to Harry Potter world in general water fan she just never went to the park the park yeah what about comic-con like what was alright there was a comic-con the week before right dang a comic-con was awesome it was my first my first comic-con in San Diego I did the Hall H line wait that's like the thing to do if you're a hardcore fan of comic-con is you attend Hall H panels because that's where all the big stunts are veiled you know I got to see Steven Spielberg talk about ready player one and the cast of Justice League try to defend their movie you know say it's not terrible Ben Affleck basically you know saying like I love Batman he's pretty good I think it's pretty good I'm good so that line was kind of crazy like I I think I was there with like a bunch of people who like out of a possible that group was in line for about 20 eight hours and wasn't even at the front of that hall it was like they were we were kind of stuck in like the bottom the back quarter of the room so the media doesn't have to wait in there so common causes are super media friendly so like there isn't like a press line for it you just have to go in with everyone else so once you're in do you have to wait in the line again like the next day yeah oh yeah yeah no there are separate lines you can't actually do it physically because you'd have to have friends who kind of like wait cuz for folks who wanted to get into the Saturday session they had to start waiting at Thursday that is yes that is crazy and comic-con's only four days that's comic-con culture man yeah you live same way here three days like just walking the floor going to other panels just sitting in line that sounds horrible yeah it's weird I mean I actually had fun waiting in line because I got to me to hold it bunch of people everyone has very common interest rate you can geek out about the same kinds of things so that was kind of cool but it was like I and I opted for my particular shift to wait in the morning so like it was yeah that's cool back into the chat Danny Green following up on our question says I kind of like helping people with their Windows PCs and then like 95% of the time I myself use Apple it's nice to be able to like go back and forth well I know people that are so indoctrinated and do it so married into it that they just like oh this thing you can change settings yeah that is basically Apple's whole business model is that they like people that are like that like I give her a install apps why is everything all shiny yeah I don't want to touch it Fett says I missed the simplicity of iMessage Android needs to get on top of that one message service that works with everyone else instead of trying to remember which users on which account that's true prom no third party yeah but there's no like is whatsapp like really like the venmo of messaging services like the ubiquitous payment service like everybody's already not everyone's odds that no that's a terrible really all right i rescind by an agent like i would say my my parents are okay well we'll get on your parents know they owe me memos it's like for like cool people no it's it's like younger folks the youth right the utsikt want to talk about their money for some reason the Utes of America still hate that idea on venmo I mean no I like it because I like posting weird messages you know just really thanks for the thanks for helping move that dead bodies venmo gonna be called in as evidence just like Amazon echo is I don't know I think it's already been used I think Alfred told me about that or like really drug deals yeah and like they they're like here's your weed you're just going right to jail we're like not even gonna have a court case alright so we're gonna bring it on down home Roger you're gonna go to New York Comic Con to uh yeah I've gone last year but as a fan I didn't go but we've got enough people who go to New York comic-con that's like I don't feel the need to weigh in I just like to go and enjoy it alright fine I was gonna invite you along alright so before we go one quick recap list off those budget phones one more time for those who tuned in late I was the Moto e for and the Moto G 5 plus that there are referenced and sort of our battle of the budget phones calm right now Rick broidered wrote a story on his experiences with the Nokia six or Nakia six three budget phone there are Wednesday we talked about the moto z2 Force so we've been talking a lot of motor which is a high-end phone and there are other budget phones obviously oneplus makes excellent bunch of phones Xiaomi if you live in China so you know right now we were focusing on the motor phones because they happen to be out and but there are plenty of other options out there and as always check out in the show notes when this episode goes up on demand we'll have links out to those articles including the Tesla and a Tesla top 5 video they did about the features on the model 3 and yeah thanks everybody we're finally back in the game yeah do you want me to do the yeah go for it I forgot how to do it alright and Bryan got rid of the little script over there 59 is available on iTunes tune in stitcher SoundCloud the new music play music why do they need a script to do this I don't understand at all and of course unseen accom thanks everybody for watching thank you we'll be back tomorrow we're sorry thank you you