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on Wednesday August 22nd it's episode 271 of the 359 podcast I'll be your producer today BBG and in the house we've got you so much more bran elver ting gonna say early I was gonna say host and I'm like wait that's not right at all I kind of you're the host you're the MC producer and the heart of the show that there's so much more just because I have to be here every day well yes I left that little detail out guys what's on the docket for today's show two Biggie's when we're talking about Android Oreo which Alfred got to go and check out here at the event in New York they gave me these cookies that I never ate yeah I mean there at this point you just keep them um actually this is how you get the update oh right like the automatic download on your phone yeah okay we'll be talk about that as well as tomorrow's big Samsung Galaxy Note event we'll talk a little bit about what we want to see yeah as always if you have any questions leave them in the comment section I don't think up the best and we will get to them in three minutes and 59 seconds and here we go for the recording in three two welcome to the 359 I'm Roger Chang I'm out for dang it's a big week for tech yesterday Google finally confirmed the name for Android Oh Oreo which we all kind of figured it was anyway Albert you were there at the big Eclipse themed event in here New York what was it like yeah it was pretty cool I mean there weren't that many details as far as like technically on the you know Android Oreo because we kind of had already seen most of it at Google i/o this was more of like a celebration for them where you know they timed it around the Eclipse they put it right across the street from the original Nabisco factory where they invented the Oreo that's why they do here cuz they always do in Mountain View yeah the first time they've unveiled one understands outside I got to a point when I arrived it was fairly obvious that it was Oreo I mean you know even when we got the invite that it's gonna be timing around the Eclipse oh you know what looks like an eclipse and Oreo right but there still were some doubts and then the moment I walked into the event and there they had the statute covered but it was in like a circle shape that's an Oreo like me not like right you're not fooling anybody with that so what is reminded when is this available for download to pixel and it should be available within the next like few weeks or so there's no specific date yet from them and I have been badgering them about it like when when I get this on like a pixel device you know because I think our viewers and readers want to know like when they can get it but I do know that the pixel devices will probably be the first ones to to get that they said they're working with OEMs and major you know producers to basically get it out on their devices either when they release right or you know at least before the end of 2017 yeah I have to wonder for you know phones whether it's Samsung LG like how quickly they're gonna get to especially once sold through carriers and I didn't get to try out a lot of Oreos like main big features because a lot of is like AI based right so you know you have to spend a lot of time with it for it to really show like how powerful it is or anything like that but all I can say is like you know as far as like speed goes which was a major like point for them on this is that it does seem a lot faster than the phone that I'm using currently yeah but that's the other night you can test yeah it's not like I was gonna hold on to it for like the whole day all right next up we're hoping that the Galaxy Note 8 will eventually get Oreo it will get as big unveil tomorrow also here in New York comes obviously after the a year after the whole note 7 debacle however what are you hoping to see from this phone from Samsung I mean other than the whole battery issue like you were talking about I you know I don't want to beat a dead horse there but I'm gonna go and beat another dead horse please have a headphone jack on this that's interesting to see you know what phones are going like we're gonna get it right over the headphone jack for good now and yeah phones are you know we know our users still really want this and still value this right I really hope that you know the headphone jack wins out on this GSA doesn't have a headphone jack right so that does not bode well for the note yeah but you know maybe this is supposed to be like a better phone than the GSA that's what I that's true it's a bigger phone and also just the the whole like full screen like being able to unlock it without having a physical button on the front you know that's something everyone's been pushing for right hopefully we'll see it by the no date you mean with in terms of like the embedded favor yeah pretty much yeah you know right now they're I think the rumors point to it having be like a bezel in the back no well just like the GS yeah if that's true then they should have it in a better placement cuz I know there were a lot of complaints about the GS a was I don't really awkward stammer I was kind of annoying yeah all the time alright that's all the time we have for these stories and more check us on CNET I'm Roger Cheng I'm Alfred hang thanks for listening so why are you not gonna eat your delicious Oreos I feel like they're like Twinkies show that show them show them to the crowd I actually had one yesterday they gave us they had them on top of an ice cream so look at those cookies delicious there's an Android symbol on the right they're both both of them yep right well one is just Oreo but it might be flipped yeah mitts oh and it's got green filling what's the green filling probably mint or Android flavor yeah there's a flavor of ones and zeroes so give us a more personal take away what did you enjoy how fun was the Eclipse in that oh yeah it was super fun yeah I I had been making fun of the Eclipse this whole time but I wait for the Eclipse because people are making this whole big to-do about especially in New York City when you didn't even see that's true like the shebang totalities and it was like cloudy's for a bit of it but I mean seeing it from there was really cool I mean the whole unveiling of it was and then they had like this like ice cream bar there that had like a bunch of Oreos on it that was the other giveaway twos like fairly obvious that this was gonna be Oreo oh that you'd be able to see the ice cream sandwiches ahead of time I mean like I kind of I like they didn't have them out but like you can see being a decent reporter it kind of worked around right and I saw it now I Oh I mean at that point but when they kind of leaked it out and that that style name of the weekend like that's kind of well they also had a bunch of other dummy file names in there too they had like Android Under school or like orange aina whatever all the stuff so they that was like another Conner everyone it was fairly obvious it's the right name frankly yeah just feels right I didn't see it coming originally when they sent Andrew oh I thought Oreo but then I was thinking that's a brand name but exactly and I talked to some what some of like the Oreo like reps that were there and they are doing some kind of partnership with them I'm not sure what it is yeah really but yeah they are partnering with Nabisco on this the same way they did with you can you buy the update think about it no no like there'll be codes for the update inside you know bypass your carriers phone yeah I mean the only thing that was a little bit disappointed about is not knowing like what like the exact date yeah frustrating that they didn't actually offer a date yeah but I mean I feel like that's not something that they can control though because it is like up to the OEMs at the end of the day right well no the updater pixel yeah right they can they can control pixel and Nexus phone updates you're right om have a little bit tougher time it's even tougher when you incorporate Verizon AT&T t-mobile because they have to approve that stuff too yeah but in terms of like their own phones they can totally yeah because because the annoying thing is is you know that the event it was this whole big to-do and it's basically here's all these like cool things you'll be able to see except we don't know when exactly you're gonna be able to get it right and it's just frustrating it's also like but you also the majority of our users even though we're the most used like you know operating system on the planet also aren't even gonna get this yeah that's true all right so props to everyone in the chat submitting your questions and comments yeah that we're gonna hit those right now on a glance there's a pretty fair balance of those who are excited first of the the Samsung phone versus the Android operating system however and I could easily be proven wrong on this at a educated guess glancing as I'm skimming through hundreds of comments thank you again by the way it looks like a few more people are kind of excited about the operating system you've got a few questions it's hella cool it can be applied to more phones than exactly so let's answer some questions around that dad dad wants to know if the lg g5 is gonna get Oreo and a number of people are asking is the Galaxy Note 8 going to ship with it I don't know yeah that's still to be determined we'll find out more details tomorrow it would be a little tough I think cuz they they just announced it so it's Samsung immediately come out with it but who knows yeah Android did say that they were working with major manufacturers and you can bet that Samsung's one of them - yes their phone shipped out with it they did mention on the list of brands that were that they were working with to get it shipped out with it Samsung was one of them essential is gonna be one of them so Andy Rubens phone won't be this outdated yes GOG is on that way imagine the g5 will get it yeah I was very surprised to see Kyocera on that list because they're more they're not like a major player but at the same date I mean they're they're eligible for good note for making more budget yeah exactly so I mean I'm hopefully that I'm hopeful that this is a sign that Oriole will make it to way to more devices it was just a list of OEMs that were committing to using it or we're committing to actually updating their existing phone that no this was a list of volumes that Android said they were gonna be working with - just in general yeah so that could mean it doesn't mean new specific phones right yeah right yeah alright so jiff it brings up a good point in the chat he says the note will have a headphone jack because it holds a stylus so room is not an issue that's true now but do you think that's enough of a basis of a foundation for them to make that decision well yes no because I know that the idea of like using a USB C port is thinner so it allows the phone to be thinner but because the note has a stylus it has to be a little bit thicker part of the problem with that argument is the stylus is this one thing here and it's sort of like along the xylophone whereas the centre of the phone is where the headphone jack use yeah so there's a bunch of components there so I don't know if they can actually squeeze all that in and remember the note 7 squeezed in just a ton of stuff components chips batteries everything into a priest in phone and I can't imagine that make the same mistake the essential phone doesn't have a headphone jack either right no should we have concern about the stylus being located right next to the headphone jack so you accidentally miss and get the wrong hole per se really gonna leave me hanging on that one yeah we are there's only one hole fine I can't pronounce his name and I'm sorry for this but it says Apple guys how do you feel about the Galaxy Note 8 and the fact the touch ID is gone maybe he's calling out other commenters as Apple guys he's asking entirely possible either way let's get your responses how do you feel about the mi a touch ID well we don't know yet if touch ID is completely gone right that's still to be determined this is for the iPhone it's for the iPhone like there was a bunch of code that came out there was no mention of touch ID with a led to people assuming that there isn't gonna be but I still don't know if that's gonna be the case I mean I don't really support the move to facial recognition I'm like not very into it yeah I wouldn't if that was the only means for biometric security I'd be a little knowing do you mean like going up to the cash register and like doing your Apple pay and they're like positioning your face in front of that and you know they're theirs they're like not really all that secure right and they're like kind of known to like glitch out a few times like although this doesn't apply to Apple but I know that with like Qualcomm biometric security you know they they have trouble sometimes if you're wearing glasses that's like the first thing I do when I wake I was like I grabbed my phone cuz the light helps me wake up and if like I just woke up and I look like crap and it's like you know I don't have my makeup on right and it doesn't recognize a register that then like that's gone by the way Alfred goes to about an hour of makeup yeah the show morning luta program that's true alpha rakes up every morning to meme o'clock Michael Brown our friend old friend Michael Brown and Michael Brown throwing some shade and Oh new emoji update or the it's the most exciting thing about Android Oh to me and I think that's a little set to be fair that new emoji update is super exciting they're getting robots all right yeah they're little weird like you've seen the Android yeah it's super embarrassing when you're snapchatting on an Android like phone and they can tell that it's an Android phone because you you can only put those emojis in yeah and it's like what is this little mutant like emoji that you've got going on imagine if the emoji movie which is already terrible was done with like Google's blobs and do pretty well though it's like it did decently okay well I mean I didn't watch money-wise yes but critically oh yeah well look a movie like the emoji movie was never going to be well critically though so let's just but it could have there's so many storylines it was annex Citizen Kane yeah chipper is the champion of the chat today is this update double stuff because if not I'm out of here nice okay yeah as much as Android and Google will want to tell you that there's so much packed in it the same stuff I mean not the same but it's like the same kind of updates are all very incremental right I think visually you're not going to see anything like insane I think copy and paste yeah this update this update was more about like changing like the little things and so like if if it notices that you're like copying an address like it'll it'll allow you to go to maps directly from that as opposed to like copy an address and then go into the Maps app and then pasting it which is like nice to have but not doesn't blow your mind yeah that's the thing it's a lot of like small updates it's not it's not like this whole like massive overhaul kind of thing but I do think that these small updates are like pretty convenient yeah from Michael Brown and Danny Green combined Danny Green says what are the biggest new things with Oreo and the Michael Brown says question for Alfred do you have an Android phone and what are you most excited about an Android Oreo on that I think both of you should get your top three takeaways from Android Oreo and what people should look forward to or at least what you are going to look forward to from one I think battery life speed sort of the more general experience and then the little things that Alfred mentioned that like sort of like little con pace the the fact that knows that your your your copying an address I think I'm looking forward to that just in general because I mean I feel like especially on the battery side of things that's always been a big hang-up for me that's any mobile phone yeah yeah yeah I do have an Android device actually it's the galaxy s7 and I can't upgrade from it for another two years but I'm mostly excited about the security additions that they have for it so this has like been severely underplayed because it's just not that interesting but it's this thing that they have called Google Play protect now where there's a lot of apps in the App Store like you wouldn't you and I wouldn't download them just because they look really sketchy but a lot of people do download like subway surfers like version 2 even though that game doesn't exist you know like they think it's something and it's like some bootleg version of em and they've met with a Schmo yeah so play protect and this is something that they're putting out with Oreo that's gonna be implemented across like just like the Play Store in general so even if you have an older version you're like like lady bucked it and it basically like it tells you when like this app spent blacklisted from like all these other antivirus companies are the things like I think that's super important for Angel only because like it it's so fragmented as so many security issues with that that's too bad they can't implement that pre store submission know if there was a better process but at least this is a step back direction following major malware up since last year yep yeah and then I'm also really interested into seeing how they're implementing like AI and all their like machine learning things into with one with Google assistant and two with an Android Oreo update on this that's like part of the the big thing that they're doing if you notice a lot of the Oreo stuff that they had it's like the Android Oreo but he also has a cape he's supposed to be like a superhero thing now and they keep on like with super sweet updates whatever but but you know they're but part of that it's like part of like the superpowers is like it's like AI and how it's like able to like predict a lot of things based off like the assistant on your phone I know a lot of privacy advocates that you know would be would just burn their phone after seeing something like that but I think it's interesting what they're like planning on doing with that I mean if it adds convenience people will yeah we'll do it right yeah we only got a couple minutes left Dale Kurt Mary asks how long do you think it will take for Android devices to get Android Oreo this time around we're gonna speculate on this one yeah I mean it's always tough out there their timetable is really bad because they're saying like before the end of the year and that's like that's four whole months that's even that might even be ambitious yeah it really I think for all in fact a lot of budget phones forget about you're not getting any of this yeah that's the unfortunate part of it that you know they have this like massive reveals all these new features oh yeah but guess what yeah if you have you know if you if you bought at $300 $200 Android phone honestly honestly I'm skeptical if my s7 is even gonna get it why because it's too old yeah that's how I feel it's not old yeah but that's what that like even if it's like more than a year old sometimes you don't get the update I have a Nexus 5 at home and I still feel like that poem will get the update before this one well well that's probably true yeah that's definitely true I think you'll get it you'll just get it like months and months and months late because again it's you've got Verizon right this one this one is horizon yeah so you know basically Samsung's got work it through its own systems and they've gotta go to Verizon for an approval Verizon gives it the okay and finally like eventually shows up but that can take just several months way past their their projected time yeah I really do wish there were some Android update that lets you like delete like bloatware that's like defaulted on your phones that would be most incredible and track update for me they could never because they could never yet cuz no carrier would approve it right but that would be so great that would be incredibly true Verizon whatever message well go 90 can delete right I didn't know that I think you can do like I was trying to and then like no not the hero Android needs right now with the one it deserves there you go hey we all had fun with the Eclipse yesterday right I did not you didn't know I was walking around downtown Toronto trying to keep my head down and not stare at the Sun good that was a smart decision that was basically you don't have glasses I went I was shot a little bit on my smartphone just her for kicks and giggles did you use a filter for the cloud for the thought no I had just adjusted the ISO and the aperture I was told for higher-end phones your fly-by think for a lower one and there's like I mean exactly it's if you angle it right like any piece of glass the mirror could amplify the the Sun and damage the internals but yeah it's not like it's a guaranteed thing a lot of people got fantastic shots they saw a lot Oliver edit your own filters no in every time I saw Mike Sorrentino building his own pin boxes I thought so a lot of pin boxes out on the street yesterday actually when we all the whole office kind of liquidated to go out and check it out yeah and the clouds opened up just enough yeah get something I enjoyed seeing it reminded me of how small we all are in this in this fashion yes yes you know and that there's things more important than me I can remind you that every day if you want alright so before we wrap it up we should plug tomorrow's live stream yes Eastern Time Eastern Time we will do a live stream jessica's all court and I will be at the event along with a fairly large contingent of Cena but we will be live tweeting the details there's a video you can follow along but if you if you can't watch video wherever you are we do have our page set up with tweets embedded we'll be tweeting all the details I'll be trying to keep up with the you know with all the the details from the phone as they get announced but yeah check us out tomorrow and as always all across the social networks and we'll be doing a post post show here on the podcast tomorrow so oh yeah broadcasting later than usual somewhere around 3 p.m. yesterday and err time for the 3:59 tomorrow I've seen that after hours baby anyways thanks everyone for joining us are out you want to take us home yeah if you like anything you saw or heard here check us out on CNET our podcast is also available in iTunes tune in stitcher SoundCloud Feedburner and Google Play Music see you all tomorrow afternoon see ya you