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from the top of the CBS Interactive building in sunny it's not very sunny day San Francisco California it's the Apple byte extra crunchy with your host Brian Tom what's up everybody it's like overcast e sunny yeah Wow overcast yeah Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs you ever see that movie was that good like everyone was all on that animated movie hype at that time and it was like it's so good I'm like it's alright yeah it's alright call me when you got something better welcome everybody to the Apple byte extra crunchy episode 16 this is the show where we expand on topics we talk we talk about the nuances of some of the stories that you've seen in our actual Apple bite video podcast that's once a week it's a five-minute show this one well we go for around 30 minutes dig into all the stories that you missed on the Apple byte so you know stay tuned you might hear something new news happens myself I'm Brian Todd come on Steven B to running the show at Stevie B love the Apple bye Stevie B the music art is gonna be a what is going on what is it oh yeah he's got some good ones he also had like a like a ballads on that I can't I can't pull out of my head right now we we should probably get going uh also just want to make a note a side note a personal note the Warriors are 13 and no 13 oh by the time you listen to this they might actually break the dang record so we'll keep you posted it's amazing sorry Clippers clipper fans that enjoy the Apple bite I'm sorry I saw a news story and they just published pictures of Clippers players just being upset after the Warriors game it was like the best is the best post I've ever seen it's so good alright guys welcome to the Apple byte extra crunchy again to be a part of the show we always take your calls we make you guys a part of the show we even involve our periscopers who are right now over 250 deep watching the show live although you're gonna be listening this later the phone number to call us if you want to leave a voicemail talk to us ask some questions maybe your thoughts on a certain product or what things are going on the Apple world 1-866 2 6 3 8 is the magic phone number leave a voicemail tell us your name where are you from get right to it put you in the show yeah did you lady sorry no you go ahead yeah we get a lot of great voicemails and keep them coming guys cuz you guys are asking awesome questions me and Brian have to do some research occasionally before the show to answer your questions so yeah keep them coming it's cool wait Beecham did you say someone like left their phone number yes some guy he called he left his name he left his phone number appreciate that I'm not gonna I'm not gonna call you we're not gonna play you're calling for your privacy we will not but what we will do today is talk about the iPad Pro there is obviously more fallout if you can't see this I am shaking my pencil at the camera it's a good scolding stick but it's actually also really cool pencil note we're gonna hear if you got ready here we go catch this pretty cool it's it's like it feels like ceramic e it's really nice so while Stephen is playing with the iPad pro pencil and just like checking it out we want to talk about display mate every time a new tablet comes out display mate puts them through the test display mate is known for basically their benchmarking of the quality and what these LCD tablets their screens and displays how they perform how they compare to others now they consider the iPad pro a top-tier display for tablets which is a good thing overall I got an a-minus based on their scoring but if you if you had to guess beat them I don't know if you know this what product bested the iPad pro what do you think it would be in terms of tablets yeah an across we're timeout multiple brands what do you think might be in that running that's a really tough one maybe the pixel okay keep on I need any other any other shots in the dark you'd like to go more the Microsoft yeah what's this one I will give you major kudos okay the surface pro is one of those displays that bested the iPad pro but even better they call it unequivocally the best tablet display in entire market the iPad Mini 4 oh wow Oh based on color gamut color accuracy representation reflectance across the level across all these different benchmarks they measured the iPad Mini 4 was the best in class if not they called a record-breaking based on all previous displays before it Wow so the iPad pro maybe they should called the iPad kind of pro yeah iPad semi-pro you guys see the Will Ferrell movie semi-pro yeah iPad kind of pro iPad semi-pro I still I still love it well we'll talk more about it I actually tried using it as a lab like literally tried to use it as my dedicated computer yeah how long did that last I see it's funny you say that literally I'm not even kidding I forced myself 15 minutes oh my god okay because you already rent you run into a problem right away right then quite honest because look I do not only to I do emails I do spreadsheets I do Show rundowns I do reading links copying links pulling video Photoshop editing videos I do all that in a day the iPad pro can't do that efficiently it's it just can't yeah now when I then I took out the surface pro 4 and I was I didn't do Photoshop on it because I just didn't want to mm-hmm because I didn't have a mouse setup with it yet but 80% of what I just told you I was able to do on the surface Pro without feeling like I've gotta like open up a new app oh I've got to do this it's it really comes down to how you use it but why do I have an iPad pro because I'm a media consumption junkie when I travel yeah so for work purposes it's not it's not even close it's not even close yeah and anyone who picks it up and tries you know when Tim Cook says oh I could do it replace my work computer it's only because he's on phone calls and he's doing email and reading reports yeah there's just no way he's not doing all the dirty work that we have to do anyone creating any type of work content it's just the surface pro has a trackpad on its keyboard case okay that's all you need to know that's cool you can also plug in stuff to a write like USB plug in accessories and things like that but uh do I love the iPad pro for what it is yes but I does it have the power to be more yes but it has a long ways to go we have some calls related to that that we'll get to later in the show an iPad pro Bugaboo Apple is now investigating iPad pros being unresponsive after charging it over a long period of time the iPad pro pretty much goes to sleep you might think it's broken and your only hope is to press the hard restart that's a bad apple that guess who's that happen who that has happened to multiple times oh really this guy oh my god Scott I freaked out right I bought the first time I charged it I'm like whoa what's going on right like you're like touching stuff why do I really have to hard I didn't know this until this story came out right I'm like do I really have to hard restart this hard restart worth I'm like okay cool the next night plug it in again a winner when is once it hit around like eighty seven percent or something shut down again and I had a hard restart and then I'm like huh this is weird so I didn't really think anything of it and then I saw these articles and reports and people talking about it and then I'm like it's a thing so is that a software bug or yeah because when I first did my iOS update the latest one that my phone was doing the same thing you know I mean not not with charging but it was crashing and I have to do hard reboots I think it's an iOS 9 issue more than anything else it's some bug in the system it like you said that's exactly what's gonna get to you like leave my mind right because we're like some potty we're like into we are into me we're in sync bye-bye this is like the musical edition of the show or something but um yeah it happens to people that updated their phones it's happening the iPad pro Apple is investigating hmm what should we call this one what you know should call this power gate restart people get all pissed off when we start calling things gate now charge your iPad gate power cane all right more Apple stores beginning to receive the very limited stocks of the Apple pencil the one that Stephen Beecham has in his hand we're gonna we're gonna do the white one it's pretty cool you know what I think for next week's show even though people can't see it I think we should have a trying contest I think you and I should pick a picture the same picture but then each do our best renditions possible of it okay and then show the result and see who does better and really maybe we'll have a limited time like you have to replicate this picture in like 20 minutes okay right right and I'm not gonna practice on it and I don't want you to practice on it but we should at least come to agreement on my picture and then whoever see who rapid maybe we should just do a live on the show and give each other like 30 seconds or something oh my god the iPad Pro could be awesome for pictionary oh yes I didn't even think about Wow I found another use case for it yeah I have no artistic I have not won artistic bone in my body so I'm gonna draw stick figures I've got a little bit also we just want to show you guys a video for those of you watching surface pro vs. iPad pro a lot of people have finally been able to start putting it through the paces I tend to rely on people that are actual artists to show me how well it is because you know sometimes you have no offense anybody but you have people like AI look at what I drew on the iPad like you're not gonna use it every day like a digital artist is no so I want to see what these artists have to say they both agree that the pencil and the Microsoft Surface pro pen is very responsive it does change its responsiveness based on apps they did to the Apple pencil does respond to pressure better and when you write really small finer print the Apple pencil tends to be a little better at that as well so a little more detailed again other people don't also say they love the eraser on the surface pro pen like really Apple should have put an eraser on that thing oh really it doesn't have an eraser it doesn't so when you flip when you flip the surface pro pen on its a backside it can be served as an eraser wow that's cool which is super cool yeah I mean that's what a pencil that does Apple not an Apple pencil and Apple pencil could do whatever it wants watch they'll be like a thirty dollar like add-on piece that you can like stick on the top of it it'll be like yeah connect to the Lightning port and then have another lightning port it'll be like a yeah maybe $50 $29.99 that's actually a really good point if you predict that we need to record we need to save this clip right now what's the date let me say 15 yeah all right also on the stress tests it's the Internet age people like put everything possible under some kind of torture test Zach Straley my man on YouTube decided to like put the pen in an iPad pro and like bend it and like put weight on it and wiggle it side to side and we found some very revealing conclusions from this if you bend something enough and try to break it enough it will break who break it will break that's incredible so right now he's just showing you can just fast forward in the video a little bit like just keep on going at I'm like wait waiter he's so he's right now he's like wiggling and stuff oh that's yeah that's the only way to charge it in so that's why I said you can use it like a protest sign yeah you could like you pop it in the port but it's mostly pretty sturdy so all right people listen like whatever we're totally over listen this guy all right that looks like every all bent up and I'll torn up and everything man also this one's kind of cool if you believe in unicorns in the tech space a rare of manufacturing error leaves the iPad pro with a gold like a silver iPad pro with a gold touch ID ring so a user on nine to five Mac submitted it and said look guys I have this he called Apple Apple said it was a manufacturing error that is extremely rare it's a silver iPad with a gold touch ID ring what did the guy do put on eBay put it on eBay that's what man I think they were still stuck on the pen right now on the video oh sorry sorry it's okay here we go yeah so there you can kind of see it in the picture here for people that are listening you can't see this it's a gold ring around a silver iPad pro put on eBay I don't know if he actually sold it though because it looks like he took down the auction early but um and I wonder if Apple contacted well they said that if he wanted a one that was colored properly he would have to return it and get it swapped out I would keep that yeah keep it that's super cool cool super cool all right um you know what we like to keep the lights on here at CNET and we have sponsor time oh you have a little jingle for 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the Apple TV the new Apple TV the entire package 149 do the remote is more than the freaking Apple TV that's like the Apple TV is like 70 bucks if you just strip the remote away the remote is 79 bucks dude how is the remote more than the set-top box it is when your Apple I could have but I literally couldn't believe that that's why they're the biggest company in the world they were there hoping to sell a lot of remotes yes let's just put it that way also Apple watch getting some the little extension links for the Space Gray that space black link you were you were feeling that design specifically our yeah totally that was the one that you said if I was gonna get one that was the one so they have these extension kits for people with really large risk myself not included I think I removed like five I think I moved like five of them all so we keep on going Apple has their headphones that match their devices Apple is now not only doing a gold headphone but by Beats they're also doing a rose gold phone rose gold headphones so if you scroll to if you click on the like the last color of that configuration you'll be able to see the it's rose go this one right here oh I see up top up top up top up top near to the green yes and then a little higher near the green that says that to bag there's like four color dots I'm sorry oh you know that's like you know let's go you know when you you know when you're telling someone to do something to the computer and you see it and they don't yeah and you're like no click that's right and they're like no no it's over there over there it drives me bomb in ways Apple rose gold Beats headphones go and get them for all you ladies and gentlemen their allotted there are a lot of dudes that were on fire about that gold road that rose gold I swear I'm not even kidding I got a lot of tweets about that stuff rose gold bro brah all right Apple pay great progress here Apple pay by the end of the year and the beginning of this year to roll out support for Domino's and Cinnabon oh there you go you said a Bambang I just had a Cinnabon Cinnabon dude I just had a Cinnabon when I watch this I'd literally I kid you not I had to sit him on when I went to the Steve Jobs movie this past week and that you know I'm gonna say you had to be in like a movie theater or in the airport to get cinnamon most definitely also Walgreens is going to become the first retailer to accept their rewards cards using Apple pay so one of the new functions of the wallet app is that it supports rewards cards Walgreens gonna be part of that and also internationally we've had a lot of callers ask one is Apple pay coming to my area they've probably already heard about this Apple pay is now available in Canada with American Express are you have to be on American Express not everyone is baby steps also g'day mates Australia finally getting Apple pay support as well if you have an American Express card nice and then the UK is getting support from two new banks Tesco bank and TSB but at least you're starting to instead of being hopeless and wondering when is any of this gonna happen you're starting to see progress Apple is working with more banks to get more support so just gonna be a matter of time for Canada and Australia to keep on getting the love with the Apple pay yeah when I was um when I was I was traveling yesterday and I had my Southwest ticket on my phone right and it there was an option to add it to my Apple wallet I was like oh that's kind of interesting so you know just put your your whatever yeah you know it's kind of cool and you did it right no I didn't because I'm not I'm not you I don't use okay okay here's the thing let me tell you because I travel all the time right like pretty much every other week minimum once you add it your Apple wallet the cool thing is because it knows when your flight is on your lock screen once it's about like an hour before your flight it shows up on your lock screen uh-huh and then you just swipe and then it shows the boarding pass immediately you don't have to dig into your phone that's pretty yeah yeah cuz I do have to dig into my phone right then you go like Oh where's my boarding pass or sometimes people just like having the physical ticket but I'm just saying I've gone to the habit of using that specifically for my travel nice well I will keep that in mind for the next time coming up soon actually so we just teased about a little better than a Cinnabon bomb bond I had it at the movies like Beecham and I made a commitment to go to see the Steve Jobs movie because they recently remember we told you they pulled it from 2,000 screens yeah they're like we gotta do this it's probably good idea if we do this Apple byte podcast that we actually watched the movie and so Steven I'd like to kind of hear your overall consensus and how about this on a rating of three uh what is it how about five apples after you give us your scoop and your skinny what would you rate the movie I'm gonna give it three-and-a-half apples I thought it was I thought it was really good it was very dialogue heavy and that's probably why it wasn't so popular there's no explosions was no like aliens or laser explosions Steve Jobs mouth was the explosions yeah and a lot of it was like really inside baseball you know like a lot of things that only people who really followed Steve Jobs wouldn't know about you know like his boss firing him and stuff like that so um I did love it I did really liked it a lot my wife except for the woman kicking my chair behind me the whole way nervous it reminded me why I don't like to see movies and movie theaters nervous need that just like that who's kicking me the whole time I tell I turn around and say can you stop can you stop in your leg I did twice and I was just like okay I guess you're just gonna keep kicking my chair well I was like we're just gonna keep kicking my chair you know this but you know other than that it was great I thought it was really good I enjoyed it a lot my wife cried to my wife what does she cry which part you know when he gives the attend the end part yeah like the the fight though right when they have the fight yeah front of all the people yeah that would never happen I don't think that really happens I think he was even came out and said himself that it didn't say that was all fiction and yeah you get all the people too awkward like yeah everyone so anyways that's our review Beechum gives it three-and-a-half stars I bet I'm apples I think that beats you would have might have given it four apples if the lady wasn't kicking your chair the whole time yes yes and I definitely give it a solid three I liked it I liked it okay enough about the Steve Jobs movie the show is about you guys as well you guys and gals so let's take some calls we're gonna hear what you guys have seen we're gonna talk about it hey guys it's Jordan British from Adelaide Australia I love your show I'm not sure if I left a voicemail or not you did I'd know but just wondering do you think Apple ever do a universal operating system like what um Microsoft has done like with the new surface especially with the iPad pro and the keyboard it reminds me a lot of the surface of everything Apple will ever do a universal OS across all their devices all right thanks but thanks Jordan regular caller a longtime listener everybody if you're feeding us good things to think about and talk about we're gonna keep on showing you love and putting it right back right off the top right now the answer is no and I'll tell you why Apple still is very stubborn about how they feel they've continued to kind of position this as the iPad pro is its own device its own experience they refuse to acknowledge the fact that the surface pro basically exists they also refuse to acknowledge that the iPad pro is a result of the surface pro success and what they did and I think once you start seeing people actually threaten Apple's market share meaning you start seeing people going towards the surface Pro because it really is the only tablet right now that can truly serve as a desktop laptop type hybrid then once Apple feels threatened a little bit I think you'll see them although they're working on it in the background I think you'll see them make a real push and try and satisfy that audience look at them historically Samsung had the big screen phone Apple refused the big screen phone for probably two and a half years took them a long time and guess what they have now a big screen phone Apple knows that they have the marketing muscle to do whatever they want they see what trends are happening and then when they feel the squeeze a little bit or they see their percentages of market share dropping they do what those other companies do and they bring him right back and that's exactly what we saw at the iPhone 6 and the success yeah well I mean when Windows 8 came out it was very tailored towards the surface tablets and everyone freaked out it was a Windows user yes like I can't use my computer like this like I can't turn off an app without having to swipe and do all this crazy stuff then they quickly did the 8.1 update to fix that right and now Windows 10 is like the perfect it's like a hybrid Yaniv it's really good honestly it's really really really cool really good I like the fact that you have a quick swipe tap to basically change it from desktop mode to more of a tablet mode yes really smart the own the thing though then if you want to talk about you know I'm raving about the service Pro I think the drawback of the surface pro though is as a touch device although cool it's not nearly as extensive as Apple because of the app ecosystem right so you can go into touch mode it has those great big metro tiles yeah but I don't really like yeah but what the content on there other than your basic general services all these apps all these other games all these other creative apps and things of that nature they're on the iPad pro yeah so the iPad pro still succeeds as a touch device the Microsoft Surface pro doesn't fail but it just doesn't have the support there and it really shines as a true laptop e-type hybrid that has some touch functionality yeah I mean I love I love my my Windows 10 machine now that it you know it's all I could touch things and just you know it just just looks prettier now so it's it's it's much more easier to use so there you go I don't think we'll see it until they actually feel real threatened they will be they are working on something but they are so stubborn right now just wait until they change their tune which is what typically happens all right number two how you doing first of all I just want to say I'm a huge fan of your show and I love everything you're doing my name is George Haynes from Houston Texas and my question I want to know what if Apple have to do with the iPad pro in the future to be able to replace the current laptops and desktops thank you George Haines I got nothing but love for you accept the fact that you're in the same city where the Rockettes are and I'm in the city where the Warriors are I'm just playing George this kind of this question kind of dovetails to what we're talking about what does Apple need to do I if they want me to use the iPad pro as a laptop they're gonna have to come up with something better than what they have right now I'll uh something that Microsoft Surface is doing now what else they need to do with the iPad pro that people aren't talking about as much I've used the pencil for a few yeah several days now the thing that sticks out about the iPad pro to me the most is that we have these drawing apps that currently existed they're adapted a little bit mad or better to the iPad pro but if you want to treat this like a pro device you have to have Pro apps like true pro apps and I don't know if developers are gonna really jump on board and make a dedicated Pro app yeah just for the iPad pro yeah you know that takes a lot of investment in resources they already have an iPad version of the app but to make it a truly pro like would we ever see true photoshop on this stylus based I don't I don't it's gonna start to get messy right now so adobe has to invest in it they have to do it they have to direct all the resources in it they have base more basic stripped-down versions and a nice sketchy nap but not true Photoshop so I think that's the biggest thing that will we see in six months to a year I talked about the potential of it will we see actual dedicated Pro apps some of the apps that are super popular that exist on the desktop adapted to an iPad pro I don't know I just I don't know yet cuz you know Microsoft Adobe pledged their support but their apps are still pretty much working exactly the same as they were before the iPad pro came out mhm so we'll see cool thanks Ari and I was born I was born in Houston George so word up you were born in Houston oh yeah Houston born raised are you staring at me like that it was like he's like dude h-town you're calling out the Rockets I'm not calling out I'm not calling out h-town I'm calling out the Rockets I've spent extensive time in each town they have some great places to go at night yeah that was a good that was a good the playoffs when they were played that Warriors in the playoffs good that's a good series because we won I'm not gonna be that I'm not gonna be that guy all right next call all right hi my name is Geo I'm from Michigan I was wondering what you think apples gonna do with its other iPad know that I pros out Apple didn't really upgrade iPad Mini by much and it didn't really occur at iPad air at all so how do you think Apple will create their iPads going forward do you think they'll treat it like that iPod Touch or like the iPhone or what do you think thank you and I love the show hi thanks for calling my man I do think that the they're not gonna treat like the iPod Touch we're just exist and never really gets updated but I think the update cycle which has already been proven is going to be less the iPad air never got a three version so we'll see that Apple's getting thin from a manpower standpoint and you can see this reason being they put all these resources in the Apple watch they put all these resources in the app Apple iPad pro something had to suffer and it was the iPad air 3 right I think that you'll still see an upgrade this coming year for the iPad air 3 it'll be an incremental upgrade tablets the market is still slow it's not like we're seeing everyone run out and get a tablet just cuz the iPad pro came out it's gonna help bump them up a little bit but I think when they look at the market they're not gonna be doing an upgrade every year it might be more like a year and a half a year and three quarters for iPad upgrades that's how I feel based on what they've also shown us from this past year and when I look at the iPad pro there's a lot of power on here that's untapped there's no reason for them to all of a sudden do an upgrade in the year when they still need real apps that work for it and developers to work off of a baseline that they can get used to familiar with so plus their key notes are just be like five days long be like okay coming out the iPad for me and you know just forever just will take too long we'll be here all day we love we love it when their keynotes last over two hours here it's awesome so yeah that that's that's that's where I'm sticking with that I mean you like you said Beach you've still had your at what you had third generation and I'm actually like was thinking the other day maybe I should buy a second third generation for my other son so they have matching iPads I don't know why but my other ones getting older now so he's like you know they're fighting they're fighting over the iPad you don't even have an iPad it's their iPad no it's not my iPad at all it is theirs alright everybody um we are just gonna wrap up I think is that oh did we fall within like the 30-minute time frame think so yeah I think we're pretty good to go yeah alright everybody thanks so much for watching thanks so much for listening all of you tell your friends tell your mom about the Apple byte extra crunchy she's gonna learn things i'm brian tong stephen Beecham we'll see you guys next time oh phone number one eat yes you want to do that rid give us a call 168 leave us a message under 30 seconds preferably make sure you got a good good line you know we have some calls that just sound terrible it's like can't hear a thing so yeah so hit us up guys alright we'll see you guys next week thanks again