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welcome to the 359 I'm Alfred Inge I am Dan Ackerman if you're watching this video on YouTube and from a non Chrome browser things could be loading real slow for you please don't blame us for that it turns out that a Google redesign has made YouTube's load 5 times slower on Firefox and edge at least according to Chris Peterson a Mozilla Technical Program Manager YouTube's redesign relies on an API that's only found in Chrome and it means it takes much longer to load if you're not using it Peterson recommended a firefox extension called youtube classic that you could use to fix the slow loading times but honestly is there anything that roused people up more than you know slow loading times well it's it's this browser platform war that's the next that's the next big battleground and what years ago ie versus you know Firefox and going even back before that chrome was winning for a long time but you know the guys who make the hardware have an upper hand here you buy a MacBook it comes with Safari and that's it and if you buy a Windows laptop or PC it comes with the windows edge edia with IE buried somewhere in there so do you think that they did this on purpose though to get more people to use Chrome I mean it's already the most popular browser online with like 59% web usage yeah wow that's interesting cuz edge has a huge drsa edge because you just buy a laptop and if you don't know there are other browsers you can get you just use that I feel like most people use edge to download chrome though that's listen that's power users like us people who have two or three new laptops a week like me 100% but you know edge has advantages to here's the thing we've done a bunch of testing and if you're on a Mac and you have Safari or if you're on a Windows machine they have edge you actually do get more efficient use of your system and it could make your battery life longer that said chrome is generally speaking less annoying you gotta treat that yeah so next up Facebook finally launched watch party its group watching feature that had announced on f8 think about it like watching live videos with friends that you invited on messenger or just on Facebook in general like being in a living room watching jeopardy together or football I remember doing something similar to this but for facebook my friends and I would just be in a name chatroom watch wrestling together on like Monday nights and then just chat about it there I just feel like this is kind of like the next step on air I'm curious how many people would actually use it we've got time for this what are you talking about you're there watching a video and they're in like a chat room together yeah or are they in like a multi video chat with all their little teen heads in it I'm pretty sure it's the first one which is exactly what we're doing right now on YouTube right but this one is like you invite your friends only whereas like ours is like live and a whole bunch people can come to it be like if I only want it like me you and Bryan to watch like the show together which is kind of like what our audience is already I will say to do to put aside the snark for a minute everyone is trying to capture one particular scientific psychological concept which is the social utility of the shared experience and people are trying to package that in different ways and this is what we would call a remote symmetrical experience so it's happening in different places at the same time you can have an asymmetrical you know remote experience or you know it's like words with friends for example as something that happens at the same place but a different time yeah you know with different people going to a museum together is a remote is a symmetrical local experience so finally Apple released a patch for its MacBook Pro allowing it to go at its full potential now there were reports of heat issues leading to slow performances which Apple acknowledged and supposedly fixed with this bug now Dan you've taken a look at this and yes yeah tell us more about it you can see that's that's what's not supposed to happen that's the clock frequency and the internal temperature that what that's what is supposed to happen it's pretty stable you're running a big video rendering task of running a game benchmark loop which is what we were doing right there I've got the the new core i9 MacBook right here and in our initial testing we didn't notice this issue neither did Apple because our tests were fairly sure they don't take a long time run if you're rendering over to you for an hour you were gonna get this crazy up-and-down spike on these new ones which is not good it basically means the CPU thinks it's overheating clocks down at speed to not be as good not run as fast and when it cools off it goes back up and you get this crazy ping-pong it's shocking that this got out the door from Apple in this condition that it took basically you know YouTube people and and other people on reddit to like notices was happening and they were the first guys to win who went out and spent four or five thousand dollars on these and they're like what's happening here Apple to their credit said you guys found it we looked into it it was actually just a little software bug that was causing this happen here's a patch that fixed it I downloaded the patch I ran it again looks like it works okay now so it wasn't really overheating it just kind of thought it was but I smashed up yeah well that's all the time we have if you liked what you heard check us out and see net i'm alfred ring i'm still dan thanks for listening over by minutes not bad we did a lot to go over here if we cut out all the everyone saying your name Tippi Todd we'd have like seven more cents got a right Claud but Dan we're still alive and people want to know your name because we get a lot of new viewers all that zeti just case in point also stop slouching III me yes camera I was noticing why is this night different from all other nights I am reclining okay anyways jump into the chat take your questions and comments about the topics that we discussed today so Dan what you're trying to say in summation is spikes are bad in this particular case yes you want your your machine to act smooth and easy and and and just like a gentle wave not like an earthquake we're going by Sonic the Hedgehog rules right now so yeah you don't want that you land on a spike and you lose all your goat rings not in Sonic mania plus you don't what happens when you land on a spike there if you play as mighty the armadillo you bounce house mighty neat I'm talking on Sonic the Hedgehog is that's a completely different game dude come on out a completely different game come on get with it you play enough smash you should know Sonic mania I don't know who armadillo man is out what is this a game guy but you guys just lost me anyways so let's talk a little bit more about the max you seem to have a lot to say Dan I definitely want to know more about it so I'm confused you say that it thought it was overheating so what exactly does that mean is that just it's reading something wrong right missing there was a missing a bit of software a missing key in a driver somewhere that that made the Machine feel like it had to clock down the frequency speed of the processor even the super high end core I nine processors to bring the system temperature down at which point it would go oh the temperatures down I can go back to being full speed again and it would go back up and go all I'm too I'm too hot I got to cool down again and we'd go back down again and that's why you had that spike in reality at first glance when people started to notice this one guy put a you know said this is crazy he did a YouTube video where he put the MacBook in a freezer and there it ran more evenly and people thought you know what this is the first time we're seeing this Intel Core I 9 there's six core processor in the same back Book Pro that's not any thicker doesn't have any extra fans or anything it's made of aluminum maybe they doesn't have adequate cooling and they just shoved too much processor into a very thin aluminum body and it's just overheating and that is a huge huge huge design flaw and we can't believe that that would happen but it was now that's the worst case yeah it turns out that does not seem to have been the case that's what people were panicking about the reality is still very bad but it's not unfixable the reality is that there is adequate cooling as far as we can tell for this core I nine so far but there was a software bug that caused it to freak out and go faster slower faster slower faster slower after you're doing something like encoding the 4k video or playing a doing of running a 3d game benchmark for like you know 10 15 minutes 20 minutes and a half an hour after a while it would go whoa I'm freaking out man freaking out what if it's just doing high-intensity training though yeah right like a lot of reps yeah it gets stronger so Apple said in rare form now usually if something goes wrong with your Apple product they may say you're using it wrong you're holding the phone wrong user error or or you know the keyboards you should be using it John yeah we will sell you a portable mini fridge but that was not the case to their credit they spent a weekend looking at it these things just came out like July 12 13 something like that so people were just starting to buy them and discover the problem immediately so Apple to their credit within a week or so said oh hey we looked at it we found this software problem we're fixing it it's a it's a little download install it you're good to go I did that I ran the same test again the results went back to normal so I am I am much more pleased now but it is true it should not have gotten to this point and if you buy one of these at a store now you're still gonna have to download the update because they don't have new configure you know they don't have the new software build pre-built into this yet you're gonna have to wait a couple weeks for those to get into the retail channel that's what I order one online it'll probably have the patch that's what I love doing whenever I spend $4,000 on everything how do I fix it i $24.99 for the 15 inch this configuration with the core 9 and a 2 terabyte hard drive is like 4600 and they go up to 6000 plus and they needed an out-of-the-box patch yeah to do the kind of stuff that if you're the guy who's buying this that's the stuff you're doing you're shooting in 4k or higher resolutions and you're rendering it down you're encoding and you're doing all kinds of crazy stuff that's where this bug kicked in so clearly Apple should have had a more intense set of benchmark tests in their own lab to discover this before the products yep do we have any questions sir and Roy's call and Dan out says uh playing running a 3d game benchmark and I say if nice safe Dan what did I say you originally said playing and then you adjusted to running to make it sound more professional I will I will get over that so yeah APEC says do we really think it's software or they just didn't put enough inside to properly cool the noodle that's what that's what the issue was however now I'm able to run it at very high you know three gigahertz and above clock speeds and the temperature remains you know high 80s within within normal range even when it was throttling the temperature wasn't actually getting that high it just kind of thuds the actual temperature was not really that high it may maybe hit 99 or 100 at Peaks but that shouldn't know cause it to freak out like that independently from Apple the morning Apple released the patch a few hours before some guy on reddit stumbled across essentially what the problem was and he had a software hack to to adjust it all so he took a different approach to it kind of a like a like a side door into into tricking the system to not fall for that false impression that it needed to clock down so so independent people came to this conclusion is Apple what goes into your high-performance test when you were testing it out after we had our regular testing and in Geekbench a sit a bench and running some video encoding they generally don't take half an hour or more to do because we've got a lot of things to do man and the same tests we run on every laptop and they're usually very reliable and tell us what's happening and in this case this machine scored fine before the patch and you know we're like okay but when we found out this was an issue we went back and devised a quick test that would take longer so we took a 4k video like an ultra high-definition video and we encoded it to open in QuickTime and that conversion process took 15 you know plus minutes and that definitely set off the spike and then you know there are not a lot of games or games with bench while you can't run 3d mark on a Mac for example we ran Tomb Raider which is a cross-platform Mac PC game there's a benchmark built-in that you can run and then it will just keep going and it'll just keep running over and over again and we set everything to like super high on that to really you know tax the system and we let that run for a while and that started spiking then I downloaded the patch after it was available about 1:00 p.m. Eastern yesterday and I did the same test no spikes and I think we had some images if anybody really wants to see you can go to seen it and find my article and you'll you'll see the the before and after first you'll see one illustration that has the spiky 2018 next to the non spiky 2017 core i7 MacBook Pro so same model from last year core i7 did not have that problem that's one chart and then in the next illustration I put the spiky 2018 pre patch next to the spiky next to the non spiky 2018 post patch look there we go am i showing the right thing oh let's see that is probably on the left it's probably the 2017 there's a console version remind you that on the left is - 2017 MacBook Pro see the clock speed remains high doesn't move that much the sips temperature is fine and on the right side of the screen is the 2018 and you can see it's freaking the fudge out and that's not supposed to happen now after I to patch you'll see the next illustration that is the spiky right there on the left literally a brighter image is after yeah I move that one over as explained in the caption because you know I'm not a I'm not a data info graphic designer I just did this myself and on the right is what happened after I applied the patch much more normal-looking performance that is again what you would expect and look how high it gets it gets it's hittin it so it's peaking up to like four and change this is a base clock speed of 2.9 gigahertz in the quarry 9 which is the same 2.9 that's in the core i7 but again it can you can spike higher and it's a 6 core chip instead of a quad core chip extremely helpful thank you Dan I'd do my best let's fly through some more questions from APEC here we go do we really think it's software or oh I'm sorry I read that one isn't it still not reaching its full core potential clock speed even after the update and does it still bottleneck mmm that's a good question in our initial tests ad seems like it's doing pretty good you saw it it was it was it was going up too it was hitting peaks above above 4 gigahertz I don't have any other coin 9 systems to compare it to yet that's still a very new chip I actually have just unboxed one it's an Acer predator gaming laptop that has a core i9 so we're gonna see what that one can do and that's a much bigger system with gigantic fans and it's huge and you turn it on and go you know cuz it's cooling itself cuz it's a gaming laptop and we'll test that one to stay tuned from maniac 618 did the test after the patch speed up or stay the same I think we kind of just covered that we now this just happened yesterday so we were mostly looking at what the clock speed did and what the system temperature did however we went back and rear and our official test and we did not notice a difference got it from CERN dragon how is the color profile on the screen what's the accuracy percentage um that is a good question I'm gonna have to get back to you on that however the screen is different from previous MacBook Pro screens and that it is a true tone screen which means it's got the same true tone technology built in that you find on the iPhone and the iPads which means it's got a little light sensor somewhere in there that adjusts the screen color temperature basically the the white balance level to what's around you so if you're in a room with cold lights like this it'll be bluer if you're in a warmer lit room it'll be it'll look a little warmer a little more yellowish the theory behind that is especially if you're a designer or something you want the colors that you see on the screen to match what you're seeing around you in the world the difference is subtle if you go back and look at the video for the 15-inch MacBook Pro that we did we do a little demo of that turning the true tone off and on it's subtle but it's there would you recommend buying a new eye 9 if somebody already has the 2017 set up no no okay okay buy anything ever now yeah wait let me do another now is the software patch for the macbook actually similar to the mitigation for the battery issue on the iPhone um don't know I'm pretty sure it's different like those are two different yeah this this is like literally missing a little warning sign that says it was missing something that basically made the CPU think it needed to throttle down when it didn't yeah different but we live in a world of patches we have in the world of day one patches that's a good video game analogy any game you buy now has a day one patch you put the you get whatever got well you get a console game yeah a PC game whatever it is day one does a giant patch for it already because they they go to press with it and it's still not ready and they're cute and they keep working on it it's good in a way because you get a better product in the end but it's bad in a way because it teaches companies that they can ship incomplete products yes a overall that's there's no good to that whatsoever let's move on to YouTube from Josh Moya do you think that the YouTube slowdown was deliberate or just an issue that Google actually wholesomely honestly did not notice and are they promising you know the story better than I do are they promising to fix it they haven't responded to our request for comments they've responded to anybody's and I I can't believe they would stay silent on they did I have not found it but I it can't be like don't that but that's a huge that that's why people have antitrust issues yeah but the other thing is like it's crazy to me that they would do this whole redesign and not consider people on other browsers you know like like oh we put this like API in Chrome but oh wait we completely forgot about you forgot to test it just like Apple forgot to test the MacBook rendering like an hour long you know 4k video or 5k video or higher or certainly not maybe there's a rush to put products out there and and not enough time for testing which is dare I say why I'm so you know happy to be working here with this great group of people that we have here where we dedicate the time and effort and manpower to performance testing and other kinds of testing on all kinds of products whether it's televisions or computers or phones we're one of the only organizations that actually has you know dedicated testing and product review teams and you know when people say why is it important that you do that well this is why it's important yeah either this was done on purpose or this was an incredibly stupid oversight on on their behalf as in terms of the readers they'll never you'll never catch them saying they did it on purpose unless Michael Kohn as their lawyer and he taped it woof okay so we're running out of time let's go back to the YouTube issue again from Joel gee here's a great point to be made we talked about comparing chrome to Firefox because they are the top contenders out there as far as browsers go hey edge is also a browser well that's the point that we're gonna make here the edge is still used by millions is not terrible it's not terrible Internet Explorer is poor B etter in the chat says I can't get my Internet Explorer on YouTube anymore that's a great video no not not really a problem for the YouTube issue does this only impact non chromium based browsers this is from Joel they say that they use Vivaldi by the opportune Minette uses chromium and they're not seeing any slowdown that would be the end yeah so the redesign with YouTube basically it relies on an on an API that's only implemented in Chrome which I assume would include chromium so yeah this really only applies - you know non chromium browsers alright to round things out let's talk a little bit about this Facebook watch thing APEC recalls back to when Xbox had group watch for Netflix and other movies that was my favorite thing really even oh I used to love that because I have so many friends that are still upstate hence all the Buffalo paraphernalia around me and we would get on a wonderful life we would get on Netflix to catch up and put on a movie and just yell at each other like we strongly do on the couch at college and I even like the fact it was it was so lame it's such an aesthetic stupid lame thing but they had the little avatars in front of the screen that looked like mr. science I like okay I admit I like that I do more live tweeting with people while they're on that's more my you're accomplishing basically the same with the head of a closed circle now though it's like same thing with what was going on with Xbox we're on Twitter that lets like everybody like you you have to you know everyone's input on bachelor whereas on something like watch party or what was available with Xbox like it's just like you and your friends you can like you don't have to care about like what some random pops up all the productive things these people could be doing instead has anyone tried reading a book book party mm-hmm book club we should have one of those and and I will say to clarify uh Brian III probably was more bougie I lived in Amherst that's fine but everybody likes to watch a movie once in a while yeah just without other people get gakuen in my ear that wasn't the point this was more like a group fun idea but anyways Burton Ltd says the problem with Facebook watch party is that it's only videos that are on Facebook which is never anything you want to watch apart from short clips if ya up your upload your own videos that would be great I would agree that they should partner out to other streaming services like a YouTube or Netflix or Hulu or any other place that actually has good video content yeah that's a good point I think the goal is for them to you know build more content like they they had all their new hub for original shows called like Facebook watch there's no content on there that I'd seen that's like worth watching right now like one of them that I see shared on my Facebook feed a lot is um what's that show that was on MTV like Rob died Rick or whatever where it's basically tosh point-o but not tosh point-o and he just takes viral clips from the internet and like that's it's a stream of a horrible confession to make I don't think you should do it on this show I'm gonna do it anyway because you mentioned it my guiltiest of guilty pleasures in terms of media is is tosh point-o i cannot get enough of that show it is the exact opposite of every other type of media i consume i love it it's just i be populations of he's so funny it's america's funniest also wrong yeah i'm like oh let's see what's on PBS Oh tosh point-o let's go it's on PBS now you heard here first folks Dan Ackerman has a guilty pleasure oh my god it's it's uh my other by out my other guilty pleasure was the league on FX I don't think that's much of a guilty pleasure a lot of people find the league very stimulating if I watch it on something when it became a draftkings commercial yeah I know right yeah we got any more questions just to break topic real quick sir enjoys asking dan last episode you were on you praised the HP EliteBook any recommendation of a high-end elite book but not mad costly is the elite book folio worthy um that's a good question I got it I I have to remember back that must have been a couple of appearances ago I mean it's still a good line but I don't I don't recall the top of my head what they have going on right now here's another last-minute question to just kind of pass through from APEC and this is an interesting thought and since we talked about how Facebook's become so video obsessed and how pretty much I've read these video of says we shouldn't isolate Facebook in this but now that they're watching this group party do we think Facebook's gonna go down the premium service line and start allowing for paid rentals mm-hmm like an HBO type thing yeah or or or YouTube where you could buy movies on there they're right they're all pretty much doing this now Google Play yeah yeah we're a for premium and prime I wonder that's not that doesn't seem like it's that far off or incorporate the services within it like you guys had a grade you guys kind of hinted out a great idea which is if you're a Netflix subscriber and your friends are Netflix subscribers you can you can cast a video within a Netflix movie within Facebook and all watch it together I think Facebook is going to stay - it's like free model for a while now because like instead of charging you to watch this show they could probably charge advertisers and like once they build up it's about if I work like that couldn't you share something on Spotify easily and listen to it together from thinks oh yeah but like that paid for that though I mean let's say pay for Spotify yeah if you had that just for Forbes that was back when Spotify was still kind of trying to build a name for yourself what was the one where you could DJ for other people like DJ and I used that way before that there was a great one where you just go in and you'd like DJ for like a roomful of people online I totally remember what you're talking about it was essentially the great granddaddy of plug Dada yeah it was blind identical yeah and I was crushed when that went away yes all the time rocking my rocking my rare groove I did like plug DJ though I use that in college a lot it by all means in purposes it's the exact same thing okay to my recollection but we are out of time we are not gonna be on tomorrow we are not going to be on Monday but you can still subscribe and pick up the audio podcast if you're around dan thanks for jumping in and filling in since been fought Ruben who is out today will have Roger back next week later and yeah that's the latest on our 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