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it's Tuesday August 16th and we are at the CNN studios in New York City with Roger Chang and Michael Sorrentino for episode 96 of the 359 podcast good morning guys morning good morning welcome viewers happy Tuesday is Tuesday right okay yes you're not listening to the last 10 seconds no no I kind of blank out there during the intro welcome to how you make a podcast welcome to the 259 we're about to get started shortly with me as you notice it's not been Fox Rubin it is Mike Sorrentino hi our social maven or social experts oh wait Ben's the Fox is a wolf like sleek IOT I've if you watch the open tab show I basically make up maybe been making drinks for last several weeks so maybe I'm Michael bartender Mike the bartender like the bar tiger a bartender Sorrentino all right lenz gonna be pissed that we stole his nickname stick oh I know um all right so we're gonna be talking about Google's project fuchsia fuchsia fuchsia fuchsia I keep getting that wrong I don't know why boosha boosha books yeah what the fuchsia all right we're asking we're talking a little bit about virtual reality videos come out with a series of chips that hopefully will get v are capable laptops in your hands soon and then lastly and we kind of hate ourselves we're talking about this but we're gonna talk about Justin Bieber Mike is gonna just touch on it but we'll go through the rabbit hole really quickly well you're gonna go to the rabbit hole because I'm not I know there's a there's a beef between Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez and that's about all I know I one of the details from our social expert a definition of first world problems standing by for all your hate comments oh I'm watching your YouTube chat so send those hate comments there yes and as always if you have any questions about anything ranging from project fuchsia to Justin Bieber or why three grown men are talking about Justin Bieber yes leave them in the comments section our producer Bryan or Mike will pick out the best questions and we will as always do our best to answer them Apple adrenaline Ori says what's fuchsia will tell you shortly I'm gonna tell you really shortly gonna be awesome now let's get started let's get started let's do it audio rolling and in three two welcome to the 359 we talk about the top technical day and all the other crap you want to throw in I'm Roger chain and with me is social maven Mike Sorrentino hi man hey there Wow welcome oh you just caught that man and then I pulled back should we uh let's start that one ah no problem that's my apologies our YouTube that's alright that's that's why that's why this is taped three - welcome to the 359 where we talk about the top tech news of the day and all the other crap we want to throw in I'm Roger Chang and with me is social maven Mike Sorrentino aya Roger how you doing good thanks for being here the two words have been buzzing around the interwebs over the last few days and they are project foucha yuusha now this project fuchsia is a Google experiment they're trying to build a new operating system from scratch it's designed to power modern modern phones and personal computers so does that mean Google's trying to replace windows and its own blockbuster Android OS we don't know yet but it could be it really could be but it makes sense because if you look at Android if it's based on its origins are in a way kind of old now yeah well I mean it's based on the Linux kernel which has been around since 1991 so it's it's based off an old platform granites open source people been building upon it for years that's that's why it's as stable as it is but for I guess for Google this is a chance to start start fresh you know with it with a brand new operating system right and we never know what other product lines they could be considering down the road that maybe there's going to be a smart home push and maybe Android and it stands isn't good enough for that so maybe need something little more customized it's not nothing new either they already have the Chrome OS right amiright OS this might be the answer to that that issue they've had between Android and chrome androids have been phenomenally successful on phones and tablets chrome has been not so much I mean it's kind of like lukewarm and even seems like Android is going to be there in any day right so maybe maybe project fuchsia is their way to kind of blend the two operating systems into one basically a universal OS for all devices but we'll see I mean that's a perhaps it's gonna power smart sprinklers spring what did you write the Internet of Things that's I had everything about thought about that but yeah it's look it's right now it's a project it's experiment Google loves to experiment with all kinds of things we don't actually know if any of this will actually come to market but it's an interesting it's an impossibility that Google is even want it sort of cannibalize its own Android OS and put it out there enough that they by putting it publicly we know it exists we know some of the people that are working on it yeah and just go to see where it comes out that it's just puzzling and curious no it's it did impressive resume of people in terms of what they've done you know the the what BOS the danger hip top operating system Q and X webOS you know a lot these execs or the key that could put together it's got a lot of experience between the four of them mmm so moving on NVIDIA has unveiled its new GTX 10 series graphics chips normally I would fall asleep when talking about something like this but they're significant because these chips are powerful enough to run virtual reality for laptops so it's a you know it's a baby step forward for pushing VR into the mainstream but a big one because many people don't want to get a giant desktop yes for sure and virtual reality's biggest hurdle I think has been money people don't want to pay a lot of money it's extremely expensive it's a big investment you really have to want VR you know buy a whole new rig as well as the VR headsets systems to really get it going so but minecraft just came out on oculus and that to me is enough reason to get in and minecraft isn't that powerful of a game no no so like if it that could work out cheaply and easily then run around castles and everything alright lastly stop the presses Justin Bieber has deleted his Instagram account yeah yeah Mike you you you've been all over this rep I had to follow the rabbit hole when I saw was trading on Twitter unfortunately and embarrassingly so why why is Bieber off Instagram Bieber and singer Selena Gomez to date and according to tabloid reports and whatnot first Justin Bieber puts up a photo of himself and his um another girl um Sofia Ricci rumored to be his girlfriend sure and she writes a comment back he he gets hate over that okay his own fans okay she writes back don't hate your fans and maybe go off there were instagrams and ultimately he's just decided to delete delete it which in some ways is actually responsible because if you don't if you don't want your life on social media pull yourself off of it yeah let me cuz he feel like singer I feel like this is stunts and he's gonna be back on very shortly yeah they're gonna need it from market lastly just a shout out to Jessica dull courts Galaxy Note seven review if you've been waiting to see whether or not to buy that phone you just check it out check out that store and more on cnn.com I'm Roger Chang I'm Mike Sorrentino thanks for listening and that's a cut on the recording and I take a look at some of the comments here oh I'm eagerly awaiting these comments well Apple adrenaline is actually just stating how they're very interested in the in the fuchsia project I'm curious why Apple adrenaline would you elaborate on this in the comments you know I would say that Android has been around for a while I think people even iOS has been around for a while people are probably hungry for a new take on an operating system but the you know the big thing is it's hard to create one right I mean BlackBerry has learned this webOS with palm has learned this Windows Phone Windows Mobile you know these are all operating systems that big companies have poured a lot of money into and they never really took off right yeah and sometimes you just need to develop for all we know fuchsia uh could be like something that gets merged into an existing system right maybe overtakes it in time sometimes when uh back when I think there were the time we're think my Apple had a different chip in their max yes and then when I move to Intel chips it ended compatibility for some program yeah yes yeah and so like Google maybe in the down the road sees they'll need to take a step like that in order to yeah better yeah I mean look this is all speculation it is speculation our own Stephen Shanklin who wrote the story he also noted that you know if project if you want to give project future a leg up you build a bit of compatibility into Android right making it sort of somewhat backwards compatible that would kind of prevent from a true fresh start but at the same time if you've got sort of that that built-in audience of Android migrating to fuchsia that would definitely help with that that push I know one thing I think some app developers would love but I don't know if it ever going to happen when a some sort of platform that would make it where developers can make an app period and then maybe make it for one thing but then it ends up being compatible to everything else Windows was sort of was saying they were gonna do that but it never had you know html5 was supposed to be that like holy grail like not not like a true native app but super web app like build an html5 app and I'll run in and literally could run on any phone that never would to golf I'm kind of disappointed with that because it you know that whole idea of build one app and had to run on every platform it's sort of dream for developers this z4x person in our chat mentioned how Samsung needed to make their own operating system in with Tizen yeah they've been doing that just they've been using Tizen for fridges instead of phones well so they had a phone by the way they did have a one phone that ran Tizen it was a phone for the emerging markets a Bluth sold in India it didn't sell well and they sort of they changed gears and switched over to it being sort of an IOT type platform it's because again it's very difficult to push an operating system onto consumers who are used to one or two main mainstays and shared says that we should look to a new system so that the Android King can be put to rest Wow Wow that's that's harsh that's kind of an overarching sentiment coming down the was earlier underdog feeling like I was really into Palm webOS cuz I really got a support a third platform sure but then it just didn't peter out unfortunately yeah it was it was a good operating system I think it it was hampered a bit by hardware that was not so great and I think if you remember the original Palm Pre was kind of a cheapy phone touchpad but it was on the clear did you buy the yeah I bought it let's go $50 how much was it was $100 it came out 500 I remember and then when it went down to 250 and at the time I was a close was a clearance sale price it was 250 250 anything like that I remember agreeing like I bought a little more quick I remember hitting like a hundred something and people were freaking out hmm maybe I think maybe it was around there remember being easy and is horrible at that point you couldn't buy it because like it was everyone sort of stampeded and bought the hundred dollar touchpad yeah I got it for my dad for the holiday and he got a good few years out of it even after the they pulled support completely over the operator I mean if you if all you do is you know browse the web here you're good right and I back to kick started to put Android apps onto it but a number of steps involved became a little too commented yeah yeah Shane Thomas is calling out speculating that the future of the OS will be led by Microsoft continuum Google fuchsia and Ubuntu convergence interesting old state interesting the Apple is not in that mix at all interest very interesting after the last few days that we've been talking about what they're doing with their tablets and phones and how it's so underwhelming retz not an unpopular something right now yeah I might have peaked and they've did distinctly kept the Mac OS or it's called Mac OS Mac OS iOS separate and and and there doesn't really seem to be any indication that they're working on anything beyond that so if any company can find a way to connect everything and connect everything well that is absolutely something that could overtake any of the walled gardens but that's the problem they usually have trouble having that or one of those walled gardens will buy out that competitor right right right I would I would say Microsoft continuum Google fuchsia or good guesses a boon to I mean that's always been a nice operation system I don't really see that with a very dedicated niche audience sure dedicated hardcore but niche is the key thing like I'm I don't know anyone I don't like my parents are never gonna buy Naboo to power anything no but I mean when you're a die-hard fan your life longfang right but and that's the thing I think this is who we were talking to for sure absolutely and I appreciate that but I don't know if the feature OS is gonna be led by boon to this person Scott says he would really like it if there was an OS that was a Android and then when you docked it became like Chrome OS which was sort of what Asus had a line of tablets that did kind of a tree yeah have a dog and then write bigger I mean I think they're just gonna have to like dump Chrome OS and just turn Android into something that they could work on to a laptop and I'd like it leave that or they've got to take elements of Chrome OS put it into Android having those two discreet operating systems just seems like too much and I'm watching Brian put in a moji yeah until because our friend ap 74 pointed out some linguistic issues with the terminology of fuchsia and how it translates and I can't repeat them on the air uh and I thought it was rather quite aside and yeah because I am Dutch so thank you for that all right I'm going to go back the comments look at that any other questions or comments uh well I mean hunter Miller's pointing out that Samsung tried and it failed on this front yes Tizen was a I mean they're still using Tizen for what TVs and modern refrigerators there's a post life to a lot of these things like LG's webOS LS is now an LED TVs yes but I mean Google is a colossal giant you think this could really be a flop even if it was a flop uh they could have some projects of the wazoo yeah I mean this I don't know if it's a flop I mean it really just depends I mean the transition from one sort of one generation of operating systems to another can always be tricky look at Microsoft right it went from a super dominant player to really basically giving away Windows 10 to get people to use it so you know Jacob says that Google needs more continuity in their products and with any luck fuchsia would be that good counterpoint that's a center point that's a really good point I mean one of the biggest knocks on Android is it's hugely fragmented right like there's just all these different versions of Android a lot of the older and cheaper phones still use outdated versions of and that don't have the layers laid security patches maybe fuchsia provide some sort of consistent experience for everyone I don't see Xander is making a really good Lord of the Rings reference saying that if Google was to partner with like LG or Samsung they could create an OS to rule them all but then there may be no competition yeah and also I don't know Samsung and LG really want to work with Google to like create their own kind of OS yeah just made me giggle ya know I could not hear that and yet AG and Elle's voice we as consumers nearly always win when there's fights too because then they'll be forced to make better feature yeah no competition is always a plus Simon wants to know your favorite OS both of you my favorite was hmm I bounced back and forth between everything I mean my phones and iPhone but I have a work phone with Google and I use Google services on that iPhone all the time so like the minute that there's a good iMessage FaceTime thing on Google and that would get me to talk to all of my friends then I might might not matter at all yeah I mean I have I have an iOS phone I'll have an iPhone as well as an Android phone I bounced back and forth between the two I tend to use iOS old and more darkhorse I really always kind of liked the Windows Phone operating system many other I kind of it I would I'd never really wanted to buy one but I always thought that it was uh it was kind of slick looking OS even though no one actually used it I use one as an mp3 player Konoe there you go all the Zune stuff which Zune I really like I really before I love the Zune actually I was a big fan too soon and all that all that's still in there a little the tiny little zoom that was really thin and you might not want to advertise that the operating system do s behind it I mean that's what Windows Phone became and it was actually a slick looking OS fair just marketed poorly I just did it oh yeah and keeps losing app support every month right that's right a whole other thing but as a music player I was fine with it mmm do you think they should merge Chrome OS and Android could it work yes I mean I but I think Android would cannibalize pretty much all I think it's more taking elements of Chrome and putting in Android so it works better on larger displays yeah that's sort of the trick I think merging the two it's probably that's a pretty tricky tricky proposition but they're already like there to put their putting the Android apps onto Chromebooks yes that way those apps can be downloaded and just run better than if they're streaming through a Chrome browser all the time right and so it's really close it just seems like one day they'll whip up beat up up and announce that android 8.0 is for every single platform period if not if not even nougat yeah from Xander I remember there being talked about Google having more control over Nexus more like Apple and their specific OS could their new OS be exclusive like iOS as to Apple no no no way that's not Google that is Moe that is not Google's away an exclusive OS would piss off all their partners and they do you know Google is powerful but they do care about what their partners think you know big guys like Samsung and LG HTC largely that's how Google got to where it is it's by escalating their par exactly and to create like an exclusive OS for just as phones know what I can imagine happening is Google maybe I know adding software enhancements not maybe to the operating system but maybe apps or features that you know that are run on Nexus but I can't imagine them being exclusive either like you could probably download them on your normal Android phone too so I could imagine them one day being more imposing on their third-party partners and be like you must update the earphones at the same time we're going to make it as easy as possible and then your customers well yeah yes and no par the problem is it's not just it's not like it's just a debate between the OEM or the handset maker and at Google it's Google handsome maker plus the carrier so like unless Google somehow exerted full control over everyone which they can't they can't tell Verizon 19:18 T that they like hurry up with these updates we need these updates on the phone that's not going to happen right they have their own individual testing processes and 18 teams Verizon like No mm-hmm well we take our time so we got to wrap it up soon but we've got a longtime fan first time comment or Sam Mayo shout at the Sameach for not winning us and getting involved how hard would it be for Google to create an OS that works for all platforms like a universal idea Microsoft has been having well hmm they want it they'll do it yeah anybody comes to it up all products like just like would run on anything like any that's what it makes it sound like yeah so like you could get this on an iOS all right mo windows 10 idea where the Microsoft says that it's windows and all platforms but that's not entirely true right if Google would do that yeah I think if Google poured enough money into it they could probably figure it out yeah yeah will they logically maybe that's what project fuchsia is yeah we have you have to really find a help we don't really know it's a it's the the lining is very gray yeah hint of purple look so we we we do know that's it's again for modern computers and phones is the sort of the terminology they gave in that magenta kernel description but I don't see maybe maybe it'll be extended to more things because it seems like everything those computers are kind of limiting and everything can be a computer now - true true raspberry pi sticks I mean there's a smart sneaker yeah mmm everything is yeah I reviewed a smart sneaker it didn't make me play basketball any better so God totally killed that's another conversation for another day all right let's wrap things up that's that's good point to end it if you like anything you saw or heard here check us out on CNET also our podcast is available on itunes google play music soundcloud Feedburner tune in radio and that's it yeah all right comment away anywhere you see a comment box yep see you all tomorrow thanks for joining us