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we are live from the top of this CBS Interactive building in San Francisco California it's the Apple byte extra crunchy podcast with your host mr. Brian Tom oh oh we're innocent we're in the building we're in the building Bay he's in the building yeah Steven Beechum's in the building yeah we're here you could tell it's it's like getting the band back together you know someone's been away from the office a little bit it has to come back once in a while so welcome to the show everybody it's Apple white extra crunchy episode 85 here again this is all about you all we had tons of calls we loved it we appreciate them number is 1-866-376-8255 enlike don't be in this little hole don't be in this like little tunnel vision right there so let me just jump into this at least when we talk about some Apple News are leading this week a report out of Bloomberg says Apple is planning to announce new MacBooks MacBook Pros and possibly a MacBook Air at WWDC and I think the MacBook Air is a little surprised there but here's what the thinking of is the MacBook Pro will get the faster cabie Lake processors that's what we've kind of we were hoping for yes but it will be coming at least this year this is according to Bloomberg again we'll expect to see that also they're working on a new version of the 12-inch MacBook that's the super sleek they're super ultra thin laptop and then with a faster intel chip but they didn't identify the Intel chip for that model yet and then in addition that Apple is considering updating the aging right we know the 13-inch MacBook Air which was kind of like the super thin MacBook before that happened right it was a kind of concept ultra-thin laptop that they put it in a manila envelope to kind of tout look at how thin this is that was honestly like one of the coolest things because at the time yeah they just weren't that many thin laptops right Steve Jobs did it on stage the debate is that it would come with a new processor because sales of Apple's cheapest MacBook which is the air right now still remain surprisingly strong so that's why there that's why they're considering doing that in addition look the Mac lineup generates about 11 percent of apples revenue now in the scheme of things that's not that big right yes I'm small it sounds small but you can't just a alienate 10% of your user base we know that Mac users in general have been frustrated with apples what Apple has been doing with the Mac so not only do they need to address the MacBook Pro category and give us the yearly refresh that people typically expect but also right we're still waiting for a Mac Pro update we're still waiting for iMac updates Lord knows we're gonna see a Mac Mini update yeah we don't know what people call them for that because Mac minis are cool a lot of people are using that too so at least we have indication that the Mac books we'll get an update that's a good thing um it comes into port in time to Microsoft just released their surf laptop which is kind of like you know running a Windows 10 s kind of a more I don't want to call it a skinnier version but a more streamlined version and the surface laptop has a lot of buzz around it still you don't see people jumping over completely to switching but this is just kind of like keeping up with the Joneses keeping your product line updated and there's plenty of people that pretty much ask me every week should I buy blank product or wait and clearly you gotta wait so just hang out WWDC is opening on June the 7th so we'll see it then June 7th that's that way that's coming up like two weeks which means I'll be back here in two weeks bro yeah yeah a live show live we do alive so there you go that's that's what the latest is shakin bacon with the MacBooks now another story this one comes out of Boyd genus report they're citing a source close to Apple that claims that then 7.9 inch iPad Mini it's currently in its fourth generations the iPad Mini for the report says they are planning to phase out that product matter product line the iPad Mini there is no actual timeline as to when the iPad Mini will be discontinued but it will remain on sale for a period of time but the writing's on the wall we've seen how the numbers of the iPad Mini there's two there's two things that are hitting it the large screen iPhones have kind of cannibalized some of those sales in addition to the fact that we know this we say at every show now tablet sales continue to decline definitely so now's the time to buy an iPad Mini Man or at least wait a couple months when they like really knocked the price yeah I mean it's the iPad Mini is a more than cable iPad for your kids you know if you're some rich person that's like oh yeah I want to get iPads for my infant sons and daughters and I know there's people listening right that are like oh I'd like to get an iPad movie for my two-year-old kid get a really desert in case for they've been a really good kid they deserve that this is not a terrible to Z kid this this guy deserves an iPad Mini so that it's not surprising to me it's one of those things where there have been reports that part of the reason that iPad sales have dropped is because they haven't released a new iPad Mini well but I don't think so no I don't think so at all I think that's someone that's faking use bro that's making you totally fake news so um just just expect that the iPad Mini we might have to do a rest in peace segments eventually for it oh yeah like we can pour some out we can do a whole ceremony man pour some out all right sorry I just coughed directly in your ears everybody uh in another story this is a little survey according to Morgan Stanley 92% of iPhone owners because we know that everyone is just waiting waiting for an iPhone but according to the study for Morgan Stanley 92% of iPhone owners are somewhat likely or extremely likely to upgrade their smartphone in the next 12 months hmm to another iPhone I believe that I believe that here here's father it's also interesting right because we see oh do people have iPhone fatigue the clear answers no it's always ecosystem tied Apple's loyalty rate jumped up compared to last year which was at 86% according to study that the survey pulled 1000 smartphone owners aged 18 and above that own iPhones so is 86 percent last year and it's 92 percent for this coming year that's crazy how it's going up in you know in the wake of all this bad apple news the last few years of like people being upset with Apple and like where's the innovations they had like jabbers they have you know and it's still their loyalty is going up it is how that's weird can't stop won't stop can't stop won't stop it's pretty amazing man the other thing that you know I think a lot of people when I think the headphone jack yeah that's probably one of the biggest things that people still can't get over like I can't get over it still yes I'm I've run into the problem ill often it was just like you're like what the hell so the here's the thing about the new iPhone and if this is again most likely for the iPhone 8 right this 5.8 inch OLED super glass screen blah blah blah we know all these details that phone is expect to get wireless charging now I'm not saying that I if it does have wireless charging they better not make me buy another wireless charging pad which they probably will they won't throw there but if you want to be super like Kay the headphone jack is kind of coming back you can if you want to twist this the way that you want twisted if the phone has wireless charging that means that lightning port is going to be available and that means you can plug your headphones into the Lightning port there you go I'm just saying I'm just saying now while is charging though at least up to this point doesn't charge nearly as fast as just plugging it directly into the cable yeah let alone like you have like USB charging 3.0 charging with the iPad which just charges that thing to half times faster than just a regular USB cable because of the voltage it supports so again I'm not saying it has a headphone jack but I'm saying it kind of does yeah the new one will yeah if you if you charge a lot wirelessly because right now you still can't technically charge it while using a headphone jack at the same time if you're that type of person that then you have to like listen to your phone on your nightstand where your charger lives where your wireless charger lives yes you know you're still you're still kind of stuck yeah that place you are stuck here's a cool story coming out from another report from boy genius this also kind of answers a question that one of our sometimes we answer questions within the show that's why we don't actually play your voicemails as well so one of our listeners of Apple byte nation called in and said like I think that Apple could do something cool like are they going to do smart you know smart watchbands and we've seen at least first of all indications that the Apple watch was capable of doing this underneath kind of underneath it you know where it connects to one of the wristbands there's an actual a port in there that can be used to transfer data it's that has been revealed but again we don't use it as a consumer yet so what's going to happen according to this report is that Apple is said to be working on implementing new glucose monitoring features and interchangeable SmartWatch bands that could add health functionality to the Apple watch including glucose monitoring and other types of smart bands we've we've heard these rumors a lot but boy genes report is now putting the had in there same like it is going to happen according to their sources now we also know that Apple is going full throttle with their biomedical engineers and their team they hired something around more than 200 PhDs in the health field last year with an aim and a focus of innovating in the health space right the Apple watch is their gateway into that we talked also about was it last last week where we talked about how a study by University of California San Francisco found that it was able to detect like irregular heartbeats 97% right yeah those last week that was last week so we have we have that as this is this is trunk kind of their play in the health space other options that boy genes reports that some of these other bands could be would be how about a bat band that extends the battery life a band with a camera in it like remember that product that I was all hyped up about yeah yeah if we got it was called it was actually called camera but CMR AI amaura yeah yeah and they were touting oh it's video chatting with your you know with your watch but then it really was just video messages and they actually used Clips former Applewhite show to like promote the product oh yeah usually were doing some urschel's for them yeah they basically turn it into a commercial but then I'm like I cancel my order because it only does video messaging it doesn't you can't use me I'm I said oh no and that's honestly it sounds some people I think it's a gimmicky that's what I want that's what I think that's what everybody would just make it just fun quirky cool yeah like those are one of those things that I would love to have an addition right better battery life blah blah blah but that's just one of those things I just want to have a Dick Tracy watch man you too man that's that I'm sorry if that sounds stupid I just want a Dick Tracy watch maybe they're speaking to me with that so it's not clear if these new Smart Watch bands that boy genius report is reporting will be available for the third generation watch which is expected to come out sometime you know in the fall of 2017 which they normally do we don't know that yet we expect you know kind of some of the minor updates when you talk about you know battery life and performance you know maybe a tweak and I don't think they're still going to change they shouldn't change the form fact I don't know maybe they'll surprise us but we haven't really heard too much around the Apple watch at least from leaks from a manufacturing standpoint and I in a weird way now these days I kind of like it when we don't hear as much you think so I actually like it because they're talking about disrupting the health medical organization in America and I'm all for that because it's clearly broken right because he heard about on the news all the time are you gonna talk about well you know who again no are you talking I know yeah I'm just saying like if they could have apples trying to disrupt health health care in our country that's a good thing yeah yeah it is it is a good thing so we'll see we'll see how that plays out this is a really cool article actually no before they before we go to this we need a I forgot that we need to read something special let's read something something something follow me let me get some tunes happening for the read okay go ahead because we've got a sponsor this episode is brought to you by Jam now when you first start a business it's pretty easy to keep track of your own devices but as you grow and start to buy more 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today that's Jam comm slash crunch I'm going to talk to them because it's needs to be crunchy next panelist unless the code system only can support six characters yeah so they're like uh we can't we can just do crunch we'll jump on a phone call with them and straight that out hey Hachi all right this is a really cool story that I think all of you at least that care about Apple in some way shape or form have got to seek out this is a story in depth behind the scenes of Apple's new campus from Wired magazine I'm look it only looks like a spaceship man I tell you I yeah that is that is this enterprise like on the ground easy yeah you know I tell you guys I love my iPad because I read comics but I love it because I read magazines on it too when I'm traveling I do subscribe to Wired digitally like Empire magazine entertainment week I mean there's a few of um GQ John I don't read GQ as like look at the pictures right but this is a great article it's called titled one more thing by Steven Levy and Wired and it really is talking about the process and gives us a hand in to kind of really the psychology of this building and it started as an idea right it was started in Steve Jobs brain all the way back to 2004 he and Johnny I've were like discussing this reimagined headquarters but it wasn't until they hired architect Norman Foster in 2009 that these plans began to ramp up so there's a if you keep scrolling them these there's this one picture yeah so for people that are listening just listen people that are watching you can watch so they had a bunch of different concepts and we always see about how the Apple campus was a circle but what actually it started as was these kind of three little pods I would be joined and it kind of looked more like a like a what do they call it a propeller so if you imagine like three circles and then they're kind of joined with curves you can even see it in the middle of a diagram here you listening yet it's think of it just like a propeller what's compacity yeah exactly it's it's that but as time evolved the building ended up becoming a circle no one actually takes credit for how it ended up being a circle but the designers the architects and people that around Steve say yeah this this was meant to be a circle now here's here's what I love there this is an excerpt from the piece again it's a long stretching piece and it talks about some of the details a really when we talk about Apple pre Jobs versus Apple now I can't tell you the attention to detail and anal retentiveness that came along and because Steve Jobs was that way we all benefited okay so whether you like the guy or not as a person whether he was easy to work with the result of what we saw as a consumer that was just amazing right it's beautiful right so this is a great this is a great um little excerpt I'm just gonna read from this article so they'd have meetings just to update like how are things going with the project and this comes from the wired article the meetings often lasted for five or six hours consuming a significant amount of time in the last two years of jobs is life he could be scary when he swooped down on a detail he demanded at one point baling one of the architect designers recalls jobs discussed the walls he had in mind for the offices he knew exactly what timber he wanted but not just I like oak or I like maple he knew it had to be a quarter cut it had to be cut in the winter ideally in January to have the least amount of SAP and sugar content we were all sitting there architects with gray hair going holy that's that is Steve Jobs right there all right that's the fun that's it right you hear that iPad a genius I mean that's what geniuses do right they're totally like that they they know you know even the person who is responsible for the landscape and the trees it was said that he even said that Steve Jobs had more had a better eye and better finesse in some of the other arborists that this gentleman had worked for when you're talking about landscaping right like Steve Jobs was better than his contemporaries and peers that are in the actual industry because of the knowledge I Steve Jobs talked about you could never replace and a treat like a tree was like a piece of art to him it's like an an age weathered twisted tree that had this look and feel that was unique to it you couldn't just be like oh just putting this new sapling tree right so this whole idea of this you know headquarters was to build this space that combined like this feeling of like being in one with nature but also one with this futuristic building I think what's also interesting that the article touches upon is maybe some of the underlying is there I don't want to say controversy but for example this is a project that is roughly five billion dollars I bill to build that's in crown it was it was started what it's been five years since Steve Jobs was that I believe he went to Cupertino City Council and kind of proposed it it was towards you know towards the end of his life and whatnot yeah but some people like when I read this article and I really encourage you all to read this article yeah the first thing that I thought about was like dang are they paying this much attention to their products right now I know right thanks Lee they talk about just some amazing things this this headquarters has shaped like a circle or a ring and they talked about how they had to make sure the slope of the glass in the inner circle and outer circles of the UFO were angled so that when rain hits it it streams down it and doesn't just get stuck to them because they're straight right yeah you can't have any you can't watch droplet hell no you know is this is this building ip68 rated or ip67 that's what I want to know they talked about the air flow that they took inspiration from formula 1 racers about how air flow moves sucks in from the bottom and then the exhaust comes out of the top just a lot of even I don't know if you can scroll down Beach but there's a picture of like a stone wall oh yeah I was looking at that um outside the gym yes and so this is another great I loved this little excerpt from it as well um talking about the stone gym here I'm going to read this part the stone X the stone for the exterior of the fitness and wellness center was sourced from a quarry in Kansas and then distressed like a pair of jeans to make it look like the stone at jobs his favorite hotel in Yosemite ah that's pretty cool this is the detail we're talking about people okay and then if you scroll up a little beach there's this circular thing this is what I also love the cafeteria workers who want to take the café's Pizza back to their pods Apple created and patented a container that lets air and moisture escape so the crust won't get soggy that's crazy only at Apple Park okay like I want to visit this building quite honestly it sounds amazing I think all Pizza Pizza joints should adopt this design patented a patented okay how did they exist you know Apple a lot of money the but it would also made me laugh about that is I don't people recall but a long time ago Johnny Ives basically said he'd love to design like cups or like like coffee like coffee makers or like coffee mugs Oh didn't he do a cedra or something like that or maybe I'm thinking of the cup yeah it was things like that he want to do that and so I'm I got imagine some of his passion was channeled into making this pizza crust preap preventative soggy crust pizza container it's amazing so again let's check this out there are so many nuggets inside this article um I enjoyed reading it and there's what this one picture towards the bottom that makes me laugh because it's like it's like Tim Cook looking like a really hardcore badass oh you know weird it's like weird yeah it's like dude he doesn't look happy at all it's like it's like the photographer said get me Tim's get me look tough this is tough Tim oh it's like playing an ad it's okay don't you worry about so check it out on the wired article is called Apple's new campus an exclusive look inside the mothership and definitely is definitely worth checking out for people that are watching tough Tim Cook he's like he's he's mugging man he's mugging he's mean-mugging apples also bring in some new action to their Apple stores I really like this because this harkens back to kind of the original Apple retail store days which I was a part of in the øg øg days Apple is bringing this new program that they've launched around the world called today at Apple but what makes this different is in the past like when the stores first opened we used to do these classes like on iTunes and iLife and then there were these like summer workshops where we taught kids how to use the apps and adults and they still kind of have those mini workshops but they're very self-contained there in the stores there at a table but now with this today at Apple program and there's a video clip that I put on their beach on the side you can like go out on the streets and take a photography session there's stuff about like drawing or designing with the iPad there's programming classes this is all trying to bring people into the Apple stores every day to learn new things I think that's really important to kind of make it kind of have this like cultural this culture around the store that you can connect to in these communities I don't think there's that they have the unique opportunity to be able to do this there's gonna be you know more live contraband every yeah something everyday like try you know people want to do things hey how to use your iPad pro pencil beyond just scribbling yeah stuff like that so I think it's really cool I'm a fan of this I don't I'm gonna I don't know if I'm gonna go check out a class thing there was even like we should they're even classes like I believe there was some class about like taking you know DSLR photos just stuff like that right like and it's totally sure you take a class and then you say don't make some video if they let us you know no we don't tell them who we are oh we secretly we secretly okay yeah let me Beach and tong undercover so check it out it's there today an app at Apple classes around the world I think it's worth signing up I got to check out something like that and then I'm in kind of the last fun story of the day I love this because it totally would make sense and would be like this perfect sounding Jeff Goldblum could have been the voice of Apple could have been the voice of Apple he blew it now this is what happened in a recent interview on The Today Show in Australia Jeff Goldblum was being interviewed and he kind of brought this up and it was kind of set in passing but he says Steve Jobs called me up a few decades ago to be the voice of Apple that was early on and I did not know it was Steve Jobs so so you know fine it wasn't meant to be but could you imagine like couldn't you hear Jeff Goldblum's voice as your Siri Oh totally guys your assistant yeah we like so pleasant and so smooth I'm like man that would be awesome that would be awesome he so did he ever talk to Steve Jobs or no they he didn't know he said he didn't even know it was Steve Jobs that called him man that's crazy right like huh so you know he probably just thought it was someone from Apple and I was like and who knows he may not may or may not do this is two decades ago but it it's kind of funny how it all plays out instead now you can find Jeff Goldblum in TV commercials for men you log a local food ordering at he's also gonna be in a new movie I figure which movie it is uh he's gonna be a lot is he gonna be in the new dinosaur movie right well he's coming back for Jurassic world world - he's gonna be uh the Grand Master in Thor Ragnarok who is the collectors brother in the comics and he's gonna play a role in that movie let's hear his voice for saying a tap to order delivery because at this moment silence is old silence this Goldblum I'm hungry could about that could have been my Siri Siri that would have been gone oh well alright do you want to jump the phone calls man yeah let's do some okay let's get smells thank you all for calling yes yes get some good calls today here we go captain you're gonna go pick up a moon turn this off no you're still listen to Jeff called emojis he's stuck on loop in my world here we go hey this is roadie from Tampa I just had a quick question on what you guys may think about the new Apple Siri echo kind of speaker I was wondering if by them canceling the airport Express and time capsules if they have an idea of maybe making that Smart Hub this series speaker also being a Wi-Fi router so maybe they're trying to do two devices in one where they can have the Siri speaker be a hub for your home but also control your devices because it's already a router and access point as well anyways love the show let me know what you guys think thanks love this idea I'm 100 for it I you know I don't we don't know what's going to happen with the whole router situation right we we've heard all those reports that they are going to discontinue it there were ports earlier that Apple Siri like speaker might be part of a new Apple TV you know I think whether it's an Apple tea it's whether to integrate it into an Apple TV or whether it's integrated into a Wi-Fi router we even know that there are reports that Google might be working on a future product that is integrated with their white Google Wi-Fi as well so it makes sense just because of where you could locate these things in a central spot with your voice we'll see if it happens but I love the idea that thinking is right on the money so I know I don't think this would happen actually because it would be a for cost a fortune right a fortune yeah I mean it'd be a speaker and a router so Apple would definitely price it high and then and rich people would buy and rich rich people would buy it but it would it wouldn't compete with Alexa and Google home which are a lot cheaper like I got my echo for like 30 bucks or something like if you got a dot it was like 50 yeah sorry yeah but I got like a deal I got I got some deals Oh like glitchy so they wouldn't compete right away you know I feel like people were gonna easily go for the cheaper thing that's more fleshed out at this point then buying something really expensive from Apple that is two things in one I don't know that's that's I think well I think that you're right and I also think that the Apple community should never be underestimated true I mean $0.99 approval you buy an Apple product because it's an Apple product I think there's a lot of people out there whether you want to call them sheeples or not that don't even think other tech companies really exist that's right and still will but like so when Apple says here's our series here's our series speaker they're gonna be like oh I kind of heard about this virtual assistant like I'm gonna give it a try Wow Wow Apple you really did it and it's like I'm sorry but if you saw we didn't even talk about it but if you saw what Google Google's assistant did and what it is doing and how it integrates with not only how smart it is but how it can use your TV as a screen kind of like what Phil Schiller was alluding to a sometimes you need a screen yeah um Google's assistant is available on iOS they just made available as an app which is not going to be integrated directly in your phone so it won't really exact we behaved the same but I encourage people to download the free Google assistant app to understand how much better the AI on that is compared to Siri I went looking for that last night and I couldn't find it and now in the Apple Store it sits on the Apple Store I have a direct link also on my I tweeted it out but I'll send it to you it's just you've got to try it out you'll see things that it can do that it can't do but you'll ultimately you'll be like wow this is just smarter than Siri yeah right it has like for example even something as stupid is if you ask Siri for directions she's gonna throw you into Apple maps right if you ask the Google assistant for directions it's gonna throw you into Google Maps yay that's what I want like that to me is a big deal that is a big deal so um check it out the tech and Google's assistant just got significantly crazier and better especially with their Google lense platform that will blow your mind cool I can almost say about that next call Brian Beach Bob call from Waikiki thanks so much for what you do with the Apple bites and yak pedal bike extra crunchy I am scooping what you're digging loved it for a long time Brian you're on the Markman QC 35 boughs best headset out there and love watching reading comics on my iPad pro however I think you missed the mark on the iPod ear pods these things are great big question for you though is are they going to be included with the iPhone 8 or are we going back to the wires they did remove the headset jack is it because the next generation is going to be only pods or is there going to be an option for it thanks for all you do guys you guys are awesome out Aloha ba Shaka Bob not Shaka brah Shaka Bob hey uh I mean I'll never count them out of making it an option but there's no way they're gonna bundle them in there because they cost too much money they want to make that money well there was there's a story that the next iPhone is gonna cost like $1,000 maybe they're just building that price into the phone you know what I mean so it's kind of you know I'm saying no I know what you're saying oh that's possibility scooping I'm scooping why your nation scooped up with a stupid what you diggin Bob also look Bob for the record I say that the air pots are very very good I just don't think they're great and I think second generation they have a chance to be great but they're good they don't work with Skype calls we yesterday we did Google i/o Scott Stein Skyped in from oh they don't work with skyping don't work with Skype calls he Skyped in from Google i/o and we we did a test and the air pods we're not working properly so we went with wired but they can get better from a functionality stamp I'm sure like an update or something we'll fix them but yeah it's weird they I will say though when I say never underestimate the power of Apple I'm telling you right now if any other company made those ear pods the way they looked people would have been like totally grossed out because they you know they look like q-tips or whatever but because it has Apple it's like there's almost dislike oh yeah where those and then when you wear them you actually forget what they look like yeah you don't remember what they look like I see people wearing them just all the time like they don't even take them out it's just part of their ears now yeah we don't I don't talk about alright that's cool thanks for calling Bob check out Bob all right also guys George from Seattle here hey you know I've been interested in buying air pods since they came out but I was going to wait for the second generation because second-generation products seem to be so much better than first gen why Apple and I was looking forward to some of the touch sensitive controls and Brian puts them about in the first generation I was hoping for a different color and and I was thinking was going to be a year until the second generation came out but now that Apple has taken so long so you get the production ramped up for the first iteration I'm wondering when is the second generation going to come out so anyway I wanted your thoughts on that and also I wonder what do you think it's facing and so was that the one yeah yeah that's fine I mean they're they're not gonna they're not gonna have them they're not gonna have anyone in another year they don't have enough so you know when you ask oh what's taking them so long clearly whatever their suppliers whatever components that they're working with maybe it's honestly the w1 chip that they can't manufacture enough because it is a new chip for a new product that hasn't been in any of their products before we also know the w1 chip is in some beats product so you're also like spreading that inventory across multiple product lines that could be part of it but they're waiting for iPad air pods is still six weeks there's still a six-week wait from the time you order them online so that's what the demand is obviously exceeding the supply I think that they could get away with having these air pods for literally another year I think they could leave these out for two years before they do anything to it and if that means that they're gonna make a big improvement to them then that's fine like I said they're really really really good I just don't think they're great great like when I call something great it's basically like the best in the industry and it doesn't have many flaws yeah I mean I feel like they will try to get him out sooner I mean I'm probably totally wrong but you know Tim could call them a what do you call him a cultural phenomenon you know yeah he called him that so why wouldn't they try to rush to get in the second gen pair out you know so boba is the cultural only the barrier what's boba I don't even know the tapioca balls with the drink with the big straw your Sona your your anti bubble you don't like you don't like putting balls I don't like any like liquid that has a ball in it I don't know i don't like chewy balls in your mouth oh hell you don't like chewy balls huh okay just want to make that clear I'll eat a meatball give me a meatball sub yes all right thanks Karl all right hey guys love a show mat here in Wilmington Ohio we've gone about the Apple Alexa type speaker thing as someone who's in the ecosystem who also owns an echo I I love my echo but I think where Apple can really kind of make this work is to really fold everything into the ecosystem I just learned that Alexa can make calls but I thought immediately how cool would be is if the Apple product could integrate iMessage could work with iCal which Alexa doesn't really do very well so I think there's if they really want to kind of jump into this as the third kind of thing in the market I think they could do a good job to really fold in all of the things in the Apple ecosystem and get some potential customers that way so well the show Thanks have a good day great call hundred percent agree it just to me look the ecosystem is never underestimate the power of the Apple ecosystem and its users I think in order for them to to make Apple users feel good about something like this they need I want Siri needs to improve significantly it just comes down to that in the arms race of who's the best virtual assistant to me they're somewhere around third or fourth place you have Amazon you have definitely learned you have court on court court on is just not used as much but I argue that Cortana actually is a little smarter than Siri yeah Cortana is cool I mean you know just ask it to like pull up an app on your computer and it happens it works a lot of ways saying the same as Siri but it is a lot smarter yeah and you know on our video show it's all about the ecosystem I say that all the time I said that with the serious beaker so my friend you are right on the money and we'll just we'll see what they do there are rumblings that we might see the series speaker at WWDC in addition to a new 10.5 inch iPad those stories have also been thrown out so uh let's have to wait and see but uh we're in the midst of the AI wars oh this is fun well you know what that's it that's a great point you make and I think that whenever there was a big kind of technological jump or let's say revolution it had to do with like you know IO so what I mean by that is like we used to have a command line then you went to a mouse interface right a point-and-click mouse then you had like touchscreen touchscreen touchscreen change the game and that was it and look the key the keyboard and mouse thing was an Apple thing you know you'll find it was Xerox before Apple but the mouse was popularized popular popularized for the mainstream consumer by Apple so was multi-touch well now the new interface is voice and it's not something that's going to just take over in in a year that you can tell a lot of these people that are doing voice assistance they're evolving over time but to be the winner for this next kind of great race you've got to be got to be the winner in voice and I think right now Google is on top of that and Apple who had the mouse Apple who had the multi-touch if they're not ahead of the game maybe the power of their ecosystem can help drive that through but it's no longer the technology that is the best that's pushing them forward it's the fact that they have a large ecosystem which is kind of a little different so they still have to work it they still have to make it great but right now they're trailing from the voice assistant in this from the standpoint of the wars and if you look at the interoperability of how Google's assistant works not only with the home product but then talks your TV can talk your phone I talk to other speakers like that's they're trying to build like what the star journalism yeah you're trying to try to build computer right exact that's what they're doing Apple doesn't even have a product out there yet no so and then and they're really behind and you know Google's expertise is all this data and neural networks machine learning and that's what AI is all about that's why it's like kind of hard for me to see Apple make a big jump but they can do some great things with the ecosystem you know the Google lens thing that they talked about was something I've been wanting a long time and that's a big deal you know like I always look for an app like I know they used plants as an example right and I've looked for an app to identify plants and there's nothing like that anywhere and then Google like has one you know so that's a big deal you know yes just that alone there google lens using your camera and being able to because of their image recognition um again neural networks and machine learning platform can Spotify it's not spot if I can spot specific types of flowers using the GPS on your phone and then using your camera it knows where you are and then when it sees certain buildings it knows oh it's this business let me show you some ratings for it like that's crazy not as crazy like and it's working it's working it's not like oh this is five years like this is coming like this summer yeah so just be ready just be ready like hey I is it's scary it's also very scary like we're seeing some amazing stuff but it's kind of scary like how much do you need to know to show us that stuff well what's Steve Steven Hawkings saying like a eyes gonna end and humanity you know like you straight up saying that we gotta get off this planet in a hundred years he said right he said that we're like headed we're on a speeding car headed towards that as fast as we can right now you know that's great I mean I know I won't be alive so I'm kind of cool with that honestly I'm like I'm cool with that no my kids my kids are three and five years old and they're talking to robots on a regular basis all the time you know like they tell us they the favorite thing to ask is Alexa play everything is awesome that's their favorite thing you know or turn off the lights but I mean they're that young and they've already know how to use an iPad touch screen they know how to interface with computers they know understand uploading downloading and they're talking to robots it's happening yeah you know so totally have any I'm sending in the Space Camp as I said if it is that affordable well you know I we're gonna have to get off this planet I want my kids to be ready man seriously all right so I think that's gonna do for this right we don't have any more calls that's it yeah awesome 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