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good morning on Thursday March 23rd for episode 199 359 podcast and apparently everybody's grooving today yeah what are we doing that for me well you're not I get to be on the one before 200 yeah that's correct everyone remembers that every baby absolutely ship remember okay I see what it is slow Thursday I'm the opening act for your - oh no no no no we've got we've got Scott Stein on to talk about two of his stories we're talking about the iPhone se and why he believes it's the third best iPhone in Apple's lineup yeah come a surprising call given the success out there we'll also be talking about misfits new watch which is an Android wear device that Scott believes is the one of the best fitness watches out there he'll explain why it could be yes we'll talk about that and then lastly we'll be talking about the efficient body power suit which promises to give you for a four-hour the equivalent of a four-hour session workout session in just 20 minutes it's like electric stimulation sounds dangerous it's like the hyperbolic time chamber and Dragon Ball Z yeah except extend the nozzle working like that at all terrifying no there's no time travel involved with with this particular suit so all right let's get started as always if you have any questions leave them in the comment section Brian will pick out the best and we will get to them in 3 minutes and 59 seconds from exactly three welcome to the 359 where we talk about the top tech news of the day and all the other crap we want to throw in brother Chang I'm Alfred Inge and with us is special guest and our Apple authority Scott Stein hello he wrote today that he thinks the iPhone se is the third best iPhone behind the 7 and the 7 plus somewhat of a controversial opinion Scott why did you make that call I guess so well I looked at it and I thought first of all then the se first came out I thought was a good value pick and it was pretty much the same under the hood as the 6s - like 3d touch yep which you know one uses and or most people don't and now a year later it's annoying that it's all as the same specs except for the storage but yeah it also means that if you're wanted by the bleeding-edge iPhone for now it's the 7 but after that do you really want to go success or do you want to go with a more budget pick which basically has the same internals right to me Mac sure makes more sense to get it over a success a year later than it did when it first came out where you may say ok I want the best with the biggest screen why hedge the bet because the savings on the 6s are not that great over the 7 and and it doesn't I feel like if you're doing that and spending all that money wait for the 8 or if you're ok with the 7 it's funny over time I feel like the 7 is fine but it doesn't have that many changes that are that noticeable it's kind of like an invisible update and so Alfred I mean you you actually interested that see you would rather get this then wait for the 8 yeah I'm a big fan of the sa I'm not really into the whole bleeding edge market right you need to have the best phone possible and I think Scott's point about it being a great budget pick is what really wanted me over with it especially he's right it has the same interiors as a success but it's you know got a much to me a much better form factor right and now with the updates on its you know storage that it just makes it all that more enticing to me and plus plus it has the headphone jack yes yes all right and the battery life is is we view more tests but it's all right next up misfit is out with an Android wear watch which got called one of the best fitness watches available why well it could be you know we haven't seen it yet but I looked at a prototype before there are a lot of Android or Watrous misfit as one of the first this come aboard to make a from fitness standpoint to make an Android wear watch and if you look at the specs in the price and one 99 it's got GPS it's got 50 meters water resistance those are not that common on the lower end pics and Android wear and and misfit you know it's fully round display and maybe misfits gonna take a few more of their tips about how they track Fitness and put it into it it was an interesting entry into a space where you don't really have like great hits LG's watches that came out for Android war two were not good and they were not great and and they weren't even that good for a lot of people fair and I were talking about this before just in terms of smartwatches like no it's there's nothing exciting about these things right no I mean Apple Watchers hung in there and I think for what it does it's fine it would be really nice to have a better battery life but in the Android wear space there's been no hero watch you know there's been no great watch now who knows what that's gonna be and misfits got as much of a chance as anyone at this point to stand out in that market yeah it's so kind of wide open because there just really is nothing out there that's really that sexier grab G+ I don't think a lot of people even want tomorrow watches it's not really like a booming market out there no I think that's why Apple kind of repositioned the Y Apple watches as a fitness tracker too right it's not just yeah it's not the core SmartWatch SmartWatch experience with that it's like it's what Fitness so you can play pokemon go on it alright lastly if you need an intense workout we don't have time the vision body power suit promises the equivalent of a four-hour workout session in just 20 minutes thanks to electrical muscle stimulation sounds a little scary what do you guys think it's ridiculous so it's one of those things where basically like just like not really shocks but like vibrates your like body so it's like working out all your muscles right in that time but at the end of the story there's like a research that says look like we don't know if this thing actually works on my chances are probably doesn't yeah I don't want a vibrating bodysuit I just know I nod I just don't have time for that I've do many other things to charge alright from all these stories check us out on CNET I'm dr. Chang I'm Alfred hang I'm Scott Stein thanks we'll swing I'm gonna take a shot at this name but I apologize if I butcher Nehemiah as asking when the iPhone 8 comes out do you think there will be an se Edition as well um so I wrote about that in the piece kind of wondering about that I don't think so I think this is probably as good a time as any to get a budget phone I don't think Apple's gonna be interested in offering any sort of attempt at a budget thing when the eight comes out so in that sense it seems like a safe time to go with the budget pick I don't you know the question is your next year older be another that's a year away right is it your way and it's a weird usually a once a year with iPhone so it's like a little bit off cycle but I think it's a better time than six months into the iPhone 7 if you're gonna spend that much money on the 7 at this point I think you might as well wait through to see what they have in the fall and as a follow-up to that should Apple keep the S II screen size but you know maybe mix up the design sooner or later it's a good question a lot of people like that size see the shake-up but I don't think that's gonna happen I think the fact they're keeping it in that body allows them to keep it as a cheaper phone yeah they're basically using exact parts the the manufacturing process that's already in place helps them cut down it helps them to cut down the cost and keeps that phone at a lower budget rate I mean you could eventually if your tournament you know like a larger screen into a smaller space by reducing the bezel like you could go there bill exactly that would take a design yeah effort which we're not denied to know into a budget though its biggest selling point would be lost at that point yeah say though it would be kind of nice and or refreshing for phone makers in general to put money into like smaller phones that are nice like I know that's not that we're in but you know they're I really should be there are people out there who want smaller phone I missed that trend back when it was basically let's make the smallest didn't like thinnest phone possible and then it just jumped in to help me the Zoolander trend where's the tiny yeah phone that I could pull out just maybe let me go with you know give smart tech is that what that was called that's the Motorola StarTAC Motorola StarTAC sorry star tech that's right even we have smart glasses and stuff we'll have a little tiny phone I got my um my iPod Nano today it's a small clip one mm-hmm and I was like man this was a phone this would be totally awesome I mean like Millennials telling you to make the phone the size of a smart one no but you can't call or anything you can't you can't on some ensemble but you don't need a phone and that's like a lot of talk I just wanna like all right clip your phone dear so just respect it right just take this and then look at this look how cool this looks oh my god look at this okay I'm doing the rest awkward you're like an reinventing wearable tech why is it marked earring in the Bluetooth via headpiece you get it right about mmm how is that not happen yeah well the Bluetooth headpiece could just be the phone forget the phone yeah of course that's terrifying amount of like radiation right in your ear we get worried about cellphones up what Street bomb was in your ear what would happen I don't know gonna be there soon yeah yeah maybe it's already on my wrist whatever I don't know I'll be implanted well it will be human funds breaking off the current topic for a second Assad is asking will CNET be covering the Galaxy s8 event no nope not at all wait there's an event I've just taken a vacation next week no we're really not invited I would skip it yes we that's true will not be coming I'll be in Aruba not covering the rest of C that will be we it's all hands on deck dissection shows here we've got a we've got a large number of people going to the Samsung event here in New York we've got we've got a show just the teeth we've got a show here doing a 30 minute pre-show appreciate and a post-show following the stream and the entire stream in itself yeah so we're gonna be offering you guys blanket coverage on the s8 why you should buy the sa why shouldn't i it everything you need to know come next week Wednesday Wednesday mornings and there's already stuff like Charlotte up can already went out to Korea to talking about now no well unveil that soon spoilers spoilers let's go back into the chat well se be able to handle updates to Siri if gets significant improvements I don't think series like all that hard to update I mean my 5s still continues to get the updates to Syria that's like extremely old I don't know how long down the line you're thinking of like how long are the iOS like update cycle is one like they they get like taken out of it what's like the last iPhone I always 10 yeah that's a good question yeah gonna come in ready with that but usually it tends to fall in like it had been like a three year window but they had extended that were phones are bring support you know phones and iPads were being supported but you tend to find like for instance you know if you have an iPad 2 if you know iPhone 4s that stuff is you know out of the loop but um but let me check I I need to actually find out but I think that's part of the reason why Apple decided to remove some products from the lineup yeah like the iPad Mini 2 yeah I think Apple is only for updating the S II though I mean it'd be like kind of dumb if they did it oh it's going totally the update it I think what's happening is it's it's a well it is now like a two-year cycle piece of hardware and then you would imagine that the following year that there would be an update to that yeah I don't know if it'll be all that exciting I mean look Apple does of a history of doing modest updates to products and keeping them in a very very long long tail afterwards so if you think like it's gonna be due for some sort of radical update probably not just look at the MacBook Air or even look at the iPad like I can see the s age is kind of staying the way it is with enough necessary hardware updates for like but a fair amount of time but what our viewer is asking is about updates to Siri and that doesn't generally come with iOS updates it's just it's its own eyes yeah it it's not as except it is hi guys what's up yeah yeah it is tight like sometimes you don't get all the features depending on what version you have scorpy bud wants to know should they add 3d touch and water resistance to the iPhone se I feel like that's pretty no-brainer really yes every phone I don't think they'll do it though I feel like it's what our distance they water resistance there's a lot of things that Apple should do that right I just don't know if they in the calculation of like how much money can squeeze out of these phones yeah it's really worth it to add those features and they definitely want to like maintain some separation between the seven or like their flagship phones and the se right like if you want certain things you're gonna need to pay up but at a certain point I'm starting to think that like water resistance is gonna be a standard for like pretty much every device but yeah take a few years to flow down Samsung a handful of phones exactly yeah it's only high-end models that water resistant feature hasn't really flowed down but my idea is I like it's like enough people are gonna have these devices that it's gonna get to a point where it's you know it's a make-or-break fact or like if this phone isn't water resistant I don't think I would right I don't think we're there yet I think water resistance for other Western customers it's like one nice to have but it's not a most interesting way in Japan like basically every phone is water yeah yeah it's like it is a make or break option there but it's it's been like that for years how could that be so what does do people before the iPhone 7 in people in Japan just not have iPhones then or the lot of them chose other phones now Sony actually did pretty well over there because their phones were all water-resistant so let's talk about storage sighs I'm gonna bundle two questions together from Daniel and Jay Jay is interested in the iPhone se thinking about getting it for the size and in congruence Daniels asking what your opinion is about the 128 gigabyte storage should these guys go ahead um well it's tough because now I think you're really wanted was 64 which is no longer being offered right no this is weirdly 64 is great and they totally do it on purpose yeah absolutely 64 is a great storage thing 30 to romp against a wall 16 is absurd yeah 32 is like I mean look if you don't care 32 is totally doable but you will if you're doing any everyday stuff with photos yeah you're gonna start finding if start clearing out stuff so 128 is if you're using it a lot as a camera you'll use that storage but no I'm I'm yeah you're shooting video your video uses that I use 32 on mine and it's perfectly fine I mean right you're right I do like how to clear out stuff but that's just because I like to keep it neat yeah yeah right Firth at because they psyche you know yeah I'm putting everything in cloud etc I don't want to keep a lot of crap on my phone yeah so 32 at least now 32 is a very valid option for you and considering yeah the other thing is for the price you may say to yourself you know what that's all I'm using the phone for and that's fine I was almost offended when you know the SC came out originally and I was like oh we're just 16 gigs are you kidding me yeah like that's not a standard anymore you get out of here they did that with eight for a while it's like you know just get away as long as you can and with the iPads now it shifted away from that but thankfully that's that's gone it had to with the OS that was a big reason why I chose not to buy an se when it first came out and I got a 5s it said because they offered the 32 gig model yeah which is now available for the yes II so yeah 32 is like my money please yeah that's your basic solid storage and I don't know I always feel like I want to go with more storage on the more expensive phones because then you feel like you've already invested so much yeah like what's another 100 when you're spending a thousand dollars right yeah but if you if your budget it's like it is a little weird and I'm not gonna be watching like as many movies on a small screen you know like though if you know how this would not be an issue if you just allowed for expandable storage on you can switch Android if only there were a small card that would have a lot of storage the problem is article and pick it up at stores so beautiful but then the problem of Android phones is that they don't have the size or form factor that the IPOP same form factor okay sorry the iPhone or factor alright one more before we wrap it up is asking for a 256 gigabyte I see two months oh yeah he's doing come on own me yeah what what is the point that I mean why if you're looking for that that kind of extreme spec I don't I have every single Star Wars movie in 4k on my phone I don't even know unless you using it as a yeah as an HD video camera if you're if you're filming your independent film yeah all on an iPhone se sure I mean a Diebold actually yeah I could see for its size however that there are some people that might say if I want to use it as a GoPro etc and I and I'm going to just have that tiny thing I can put anywhere they make a camera I just want to have a lot of storage okay but otherwise no don't ya sorry that's too much future proofing walking around we have a portable hard drive they'd be virtually no different if you could actually you know jailbreak it so they could use it as custom storage I wouldn't hate that personally because I do have to carry around a lot of files and so yeah there's like yeah I like 256 on on the iPad we already know that there don't get as much storage on the atom soon so like just wait for that well that's relative term yeah right talk of many many many years soon so yeah oh one more Scott sorry this is a good one I have an iPhone 6 and thinking about getting the iPhone 7 or the iPhone se what do you think about downgrading to the iPhone se from a 6 it's not downgrading it is you're upgrading yeah the specs or a success right yeah I think it's pretty pretty much just down to personal preference inside yeah yeah I mean it depends on what you want if you've been waiting to upgrade to a nice phone where you're like I I want to you know take in blah blah blah all these features I would maybe wait and see what the iPhone 8 is all about because it's supposed to be a big update the 7 is a good update from the 6 but yeah I mean honestly like I don't think there's a lot that's really that memorable about it now six months in it's like it doesn't have a headphone jack as the thing is still sticks of the me actually one of those memorable things and it's and the waters is I don't drop it in water very much I was gonna ask you shouldn't do like water splashing from the sink like you're saying I feel safer with are you checking messages time the shaving don't you need both hands to wash are you I throw my phone boiling water for poss it's kind of that's the thing is if you're gonna get a seven I would think about the seven plus all the bells and whistles are there anyway because the camera is really nice and has a few extra features and the screen I don't like the size of seven plus but I have gravitated to preferring it because of the extra battery and the screen size and everything maximizing and it just works out better the point being SE you be a very fine upgrade if you're if you're okay with the fact that you just want a better functioning phone that's more portable and creatures stay largely the same it's all about your vitality and storage yea eyes in comfort I don't think you're gonna feel it's not yet pocket space but you're not gonna feel so much of a I got a brand new phone feeling yeah like so you you know how desperate is your decision right now it's a weird time happy three years it's like I forgot to do this on the podcast about the read just add a plug to a new podcast we're launching you know about a week and a half from our colleague Ian sure status update it's a podcast about parenting in the age of tech this is unlike the 359 this is more of a monthly series longer form a lot more in-depth he's done a ton reporting I've ever listened in the first episode it's fantastic kind of goes to the history of a photo-taking like literally from way back in the day up to our modern phones and the impact it's had in our lives as a parent and and as a parent myself it's it's absolutely fascinating so I would definitely when it launches we're gonna talk about this a bit more when it launches but be on the lookout for status update our new podcast and then we got to make one last 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