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from the cnet studios in san francisco california it's the apple byte extra crunchy podcast with your host brian Tong I appear all the way from Los Angeles California we are here for the apple byte extra crunchy episode 26 and before we get started we just want to know we are going more global more internet ish than ever you can find us now on tunein you can find us on soundcloud we know you see us on youtube we know you see us on livestream we also do the periscope but not this week cuz I'm remote but uh you know what are we calling it internet wide world wide glow rolled why we're global good global internet company I mean we were global even if no one was listening and we're just throwing this up somewhere yeah shout out to everyone tune in we're on tunein platform now soundcloud so go follow us on those places if that's what you're into if that's those apps you like to use yeah if you like the iTunes you can do that you know whatever you like so again also to be a part of our show you guys can call us at one eight hundred 61 62 63 eight that is the number leave your name where you're from get to your message get your question we will throw you in your show we got a ton of people for this week as well you guys keep on filling up our voicemail box so we appreciate that a lot yes okay we know tons of news this week in the Apple world but we start off with the big one right the Apple versus the FBI right these two large entities and pretty much you've had to have heard something about this the latest in the story is that Apple is getting a little more time to argue against a court order that would force it to break into the iphone of the shooter and a terrorist attack right this is the San Bernardino terrorist attacks that killed 14 people an iphone is one of the key pieces of evidence there's like an 18 minute window of time where FBI official officials and investigators want to know what happened in that window of time and they want Apple to basically get into the iphone so the FBI is ordering you know the ordering Apple to help them and basically they're suggesting that Apple build a backdoor into iOS which does not exist right now in order for them to gain access to data like this and in future situations Tim Cook right you I'm not sure did you see the letter Stephen of how he said no we're not going to do this yeah he said no we're not going to do this because it would endanger the privacy of every customer who has a smartphone it makes sense to me Tim Cook's argument you know but it is it's a slippery slope like once you unlock one phone then they're going to be able to unlock all phones but the FBI's argument is that they just want to unlock this one phone so that's you know that's kind of that's that's how they're trying to frame frame their argument but you know still in the letter Tim Cook even points out like look we've been working with the FBI we have people that would that work at Apple that are dedicated to helping the FBI when they have these kind of claims and stuff like that so especially after the San Bernardino tragedy so it's very interesting what's going to happen and they're just Apple saying no we're not going to do it and we all know into the right to privacy of your own information that is a right and the whole argument really is once you do this once you can always say you can do this once but it's it's never going to stop there and here's let's just kind of like a little history of what Apple had to go through previously that really informed Tim Cook of why he chose to speak out on behalf of keeping our digital devices private so let's say before iOS ever had any way to get access to the data we're talking about you know iOS 5 iOS 6 Iowa 7 there were times where government officials they basically would send a request to Apple to help them to extract data from the phones and then it would it be that easy though right Apple would have to bounce it back with a legal team decide the merits of the request and what was asked of them on a case-by-case basis and then say okay we will work with you on turning over this phone's data they used to do that but as they kept on you know as it became a more gray situation then it really informed them to put in encryption that is done by the actual user right you and me we all have a basic right to privacy now some of the other things that really kind of heightened why people are sensitive about this including Apple is everyone knows about Edward Snowden and how he leaked information about what the NSA was doing but some of that information revealed was that they had hacked you know they were hacking into our computers making like a kind of a their own kind of versions of a Apple software to try and compromise the products to get access to the data they were embedding spy tools and apples hardware even like I said even modify an apple software update that allowed the government to analyze every keystroke okay so they had shown in the past that they weren't just asking Apple for requests they were doing things on their own to be able to gain access to our digital devices in any way they could so when you think of that and then you think about okay let's move forward here Apple help us create a way to get into our phone but look at what they've done historically can you know the government's role is to keep us safe as well as to use what other methods they can to protect us by pulling this information but there's also a right to privacy it's that it's that battle so I'm all behind what Tim Cook said Google sundar Pichai chimed in also was in alignment with Tim Cook us jack dorsey of twitter and others also are in alignment with Tim Cook and this is a big this is a big issue technology has changed how we live our lives it's it's not the same you can't it's the way that they track people everyone uses their devices now is instead of like they are there still credit cards there's still emails but our digital devices hold so much personal information that's what you have to really use to be able to kind of sometimes get this data but I still don't think we should build a backdoor know like Tim Cook sees the iphone almost as an extension of you you know it's like it's your identity in there a lot of personal information financial banking information everything so I I totally agree with what he's saying it's tough it's tough to say that you don't want the FBI to help catch terrorists but you know yet it goes deeper than that right yeah it's so complex it's like really hard to say that but I mean they who knows what could happen they can crack in the phone and find nothing but you know i'm all about privacy and keeping our phones safe you know from everybody from all kinds of hackers when I even look at this overall story of the two terrorists in San Bernardino they had kind of an accomplice on the outside who they who they have you know arrested they have in custody but will those eat we know a lot about their movements what they were doing now how they prepared for this attack but do we do those 18 minutes will they change anything right yeah you know they will they really change anything and so by building this key to get into your phone just to get a sneak peek of 18 minutes that at least the FBI claims that are blind to but they have all really all these other pieces just to get a better understanding I don't even at that I don't see that it's a valid argument yeah this this is probably gonna go all the way up to the highest court you know this might be more for sure Supreme Court so we'll see we'll keep stay tuned to see that will be on top of this course yeah the deadline for Apple to respond to this court order is now februari 26th it was originally going to be five days from the request which would have placed that Tuesday I'm up next week I believe five business five business days at least so um Apple has that I just wanted to kind of quickly just for listeners who you know because it helped me kind of to really understand how does Apple protect the phone versus what the FBI is really requesting so there's just like a few points of really how Apple initially protects the phone first of all right a user can enable an iphone to completely wipe its data after 10 incorrect passcode attempts you've done that where you've totally forgot your password just keep on hitting a kid in and hit it and then finally once you do it over and over and over there is an option to erase the data you don't have to but that's one of the ways Apple protects your iPhone also your pass code that you you enter in the second thing is this pass code is works in tandem with a unique ID that's actually fused into the phone right like a think of it as like a alphanumeric seal number that knows that this passcode is with this specific phone that Apple and its suppliers do not know so the pass code that we enter is then coat it into our phone but no one knows it except us the person who put in the passcode right that's the protection that the FBI wants to break the other aspect of this is that iOS adds an 80 millisecond delay between passcode attempts so let tech this out if you it would take you five and a half years to try every lowercase letter and number combination on a new iphone 6s in order to break that so you're not going to 5.5 years versus 80 millisecond delay between passcode attempt this it's literally impossible okay so those are the three ways that's it through a I mean maybe you could be you could totally screw up and just you know get locked out of your phone forever and then you're screwed look like the easiest thing you could probably break and a half of everyone's phones with the pass code 1234 0000 so I shouldn't be worried about that now this is what the FBI actually wants from Apple themselves they want to disable the auto erase function so that it would permit unlimited passcode attempts why would they want this they also what the FBI also wants to be able to submit pass codes to the iphone via a fit you know through its like lightning port and then use something like a Bluetooth or Wi-Fi or other device to basically enter in the number so for example right now you can only physically press them with your finger right yeah they want to be able to use like a machine to plug into the iphone to enter in all these codes as many as possible right a computer just totally trying to hack you know just trying to find the right number combinations forever exactly and then they also want to remove the automated delays between a passcode attempt so they don't want to put this 80 millisecond delay in between it so that you basically could brute force entry what we mean by brute force is right just hit every combination possible until you hit it to get access to the iphone I've seen it impossible enough times to know this is a bad idea where they put in like a code like a little card and do think again finds the numbers you know I know this this is a bad idea so John Connor had that back in Terminator 2 I saw what happened in that movie all right I don't want that yeah I do not want that Armageddon people so um and then just to kind of wrap this story up I did throw up a poll on my Twitter account at bryant on not trying to plug it if you guys have comments or thoughts that you want to bring up during the show just tweet me at brian Tong I look at it while the show is going on but here's kind of a look at the poll on the result we had 922 people respond and you know because it's not the easiest thing just that you you think about it but it is gray fifteen percent believe that Apple should build a backdoor for iPhones while eighty-five percent of our respondents said no so you know Steven and I are when we are on the side note again I see your argument for why we should give the FBI access I just think it goes beyond this case it's more of a long-term what will the government do with that power right yeah just a side note 2 is that someone mentioned it in the livestream comments actually in the livestream chat if you're watching on live stream that government is the Congress is meeting today and they're talking about ways to change this law about encryption so that they will be able to get into phones in the future they won't have to get FBI they won't have to get you know letters from the FBI to get into to get people to unlock phone so let's look for that we got to keep an eye on that too because that's that's going down right now like they're talking about it today in Congress yeah there's the thing is that laws are going to change based on app you know how we live our lives but some of you know the constitutional rights that we have look I'm sure they're able to get access to the emails of these terrorists that's not locked by the phone right if they wanted to know every single location these people were based on their phone in that 18 minute window may that helped them but you know they still have access to credit card statements phone activity emails and then general surveillance cameras you can still piece together a puzzle from that alone you still use cell towers to pinpoint where they were while they're using their cell phones is that still worked where they use like three different towers triangulation yes i'm pretty sure i think that that's still a thing right I've seen 24 they still definitely do that yeah this is just where ever your phone pings a tower then they can find those three towers and I see ya so uh you know we'll keep we'll keep an eye on this store I mean this is something that's gonna have future implications it's a big story and it just so happens that you know Tim Cook and Apple is at the center of this it's almost kind of like the tech world versus you know the government right now yeah because all right it's Twitter it's like that one burner with so many tech companies right now SpaceX uber everyone everyone's fighting the government so so just a lot of implications I mean it's a really intriguing story to me it's why we can talk about so much we'd love to hear what you guys and gals think about this to me I'm not about saying there is a right answer or a wrong answer I just want to hear what your your thoughts are so you can call us at one eight hundred 61 62 63 and see how I to scroll up and look at the phone up I was like I saw wine for it on the screen eight hun tray everyone can see that I didn't even I can't remember this stuff all the time so just give us a call we we can't wait cuz we're gonna I'm sure when I hear from a lot of you about this issue but let's just keep on rolling on last week we talked about error 53 this was the issue where people that might get their iPhones serviced by a third party company I did talk about like if you're screening room at screen was broken but really it up and it was incorrect right it really applies to the home button in addition you know getting damaged there's a cable connector to that home but to that home button but again it's also the touch ID button that stores all of your touch ID data and recently we had heard right applebrick to all phones that were that were not able to validate that this was an authentic well Apple is apologizing and has released an update to the latest iOS and this is not a new version of iOS it's it's still like nine point two point one but it's an updated version to restore any iphones that have been just been disabled by error 53 wow that's pretty awesome that's that's a good Apple man I have to be honest though I think they're doing this as well to get ahead of the fact that there's been a lawsuit filed like a class-action lawsuit filed against them and this is kind of a pre-emptive way to say hey we actually realize we made a mistake we're gonna make sure the consumers are okay we're gonna let them know about this but this is what we'll do for now you know like if there was no lawsuit I don't know if we'd actually see them fix this I don't know totally it's definitely a write-once and how long ago did this all come to light maybe like six months ago well well actually the air 53 I mean only became a really big issue about a couple weeks ago because the latest software update iOS a nine point two point one when it was released people are like why our phones breaking now all of a sudden like what is this air it's just a little patch then that's cool exactly exactly so they're not changing the number to like iOS point nine point two point one non brick edition it's like just iOS 921 non brick addition the good one the good one so if you if for any of you listening or know people that are having this issue you can go get that restored with the latest and updated iOS all right this is another story just a lot of stuff happening in the courts with government entities federal entities like the FCC which this has been kind of I like what about for a while I love this story right what the FCC just took really the biggest first step towards changing the cable box business so in a two to three vote sorry a 3-2 tuvo very close from the FCC very close the FCC has decided to move ahead with a proposal that would have far-reaching consequences for how Cable customer like you and I watch TV allowing us potentially to go through third parties for their set-top systems yes rather than being tied to the cable box that comes with the cable service that we all know we are at the moment required to use yes right which would be awesome because I pay like a ten-dollar HD fee for my stupid cable box you do like where she did what is that an HD fee come on on top of a rental fee for the box yeah exactly okay I mean you instead of just paying a flat like let's say really those boxes are probably like they're just interpreting the signal it's like those boxes are prob like seventy nine hundred dollars like flattered so cheap like they they're likely even cheaper than that actually yeah they're like they're sitting on the piles at the comcast cable set or whatever you know but and then also it'll take in your signal in a little some in some cases make your signal crappier you know yeah like if it's straight out of the wall you get a really nice signal to your TV but if it's going through the box and it looks a little like the refresh rate is screwed up and it just doesn't look as clean so so what does this mean for us right we have been begging this is actually an opportunity if this goes through for companies like Samsung for companies like Google for obviously apple with their whole apple TV push to basically ideally in the future for us build their own cable set-top box that then just takes the signal from the wall and then we use whatever cool kick-butt software they have to allow us to watch those cable streams and we wanna team stuff to our phone I'm sure that's gonna be all yeah it's a great stuff it would be at based as well you know yet the cable companies have argued that the future like by allowing this to happen they're saying oh it could leave us entirely behind and I'm like dude cable box companies let's be real other than other than I mean I finally got to use the x1 interface I'm like wow I feel like I'm in the future ish for comcast but cable boxes have been in our homes for what 20 30 years yeah at least 20 plus years 30 years yeah and really have we really seen n innovation not really with cable boxes not really until like literally 2015 yes nicely I'm not even King right we had all dingy menus it was they were slow they still finally were you may next one looks is it yeah I haven't been likes 1x one is actually looks nicer but it's slower it has voice speech where you can be like uh sorry since we are CBS own company CBS and then it all I go to the go to the network I'm like okay even though I could just punch in the numbers but see there the cable companies like should be worried about this they've had the opportunity of a lifetime there a box that's in every living room they could have done so much more with them right so even some I could imagine I really envision something like the Xbox one that has the ability to put in cable but it's kind of restricted because you have the way that it talks to those the cable operator that you're with forget that in the future you just pop in your cable signal and then it's like this really cool elegant interface that feels cohesive with the entire set top box that you're using yeah that would be awesome man like you know I'm dealing with a crappy-looking cable the one thing that that would you would have to lose is like on demand sort of things you know like Comcast on demand stuff so I mean that would that be some things you'd have to be able to live without but um Xbox is already cut has already been doing this too right they have you can use your Xbox as a cable set-top box well the main thing is like you're right about the whole on demand feature but my my take is that look because most of these set-top boxes will have a hard drive of some sort then as long as you basically program your set-top third party set-top box to record whatever you know that's kind of like you're on demand cuz you you kind of know the shows i don't know i don't know how many times I've actually gone into onto man and said I'm gonna go find a brand new show to watch you might you know it helps you but more often than not I go to on demand to find shows that i actually already watched i just want to watch them later that's because i haven't because i haven't recorded them right yeah that's how that's how i use it to i never go looking for any new content on demand that's for sure I mean sometimes a friend says oh take the show out but ice and then I'll like dvr'd or something but you know it's it does serve a purpose i'm not saying on on demand is great with kids though because they just go into that disney thing and they just watch like shows right that's like fun two mature babysitter but really as you move toward more app based stuff you get access to like disney's the content through their app and all these other you know comcast has an appt themselves they're not going to limit you from using that either if you already pay for the cable service right i can look at comcast stuff through my digital device already so um right now what what this where this is at is this proposed rule change is going into what they call a comment period where basically businesses and customers are going to be able to weigh in on the issue this will be a head other of revisions before they come to a final vote so we're still months away to me this is exciting as a consumer it's a no-brainer for a consumer it's still a close three-to-two vote you know but it's it's been it's being moved along and this is better than anything we've seen in i don't know how many years right yeah that's very cool i think also do another issue that might come up is that you know you have this idea of like oh yeah everyone will be able to be able to build like their own third-party cable set-top box let's be real its gonna be like Google Apple and Samsung or something yeah although it opens it up its gonna be like three companies i basically become the you know the cream of the crop right yeah totally but it's also gonna have to pay a subscription fee for cable box i'm okay with that i'm super happy about that plea no gonna happen and i don't know I feel like apples always complain about because the cable industry is very like tricky and you know for example comcast has a more dom / dominance in certain areas of the same city where then like time warner they have like kind of like agreements row yeah you take this area you take that area you take this area and you're forced to use you know a cable service based on where you live not because I I want comcast at my fiancé's apartment guess what there is no comcast here only time order that's right that sucks very regional yeah right so you you then eliminate that aspect as well which which is awesome it's all good more innovation let's do it it's all good in the hood um another cool story as we continue on just a little update about the iphone 5s ii and the ipad air three a bloomberg feature recently profiled Johnny scroogie he's the apple chief chip designer basically responsible for designing the a9 processor the a processor and they kind of did this profile about what they went through and how basically there was a point in time where they were behind the schedule in making a processor for the ipad pro and they were worried that oh man we're gonna we might have to put it a less powerful a8 chip in the ipad pro while the iphone 6 coming out has an 89 so they like basically truncated their schedule were able to crank out an a 9 x processor for the ipad pro in half the time it was kind of like talking about that the challenges and how Apple decided to start making their own silicone so um this is this is just a story about that but in the story it revealed that and pretty much confirmed that the ipad air 3 which is expected to come out in March and the iPad iPhone 5se which is expected to also be announced sometime in March Oh we'll be using an a 9 processor for the phone and an a 9 X processor for the ipad so there you go that's awesome so we got a lot of phone calls asking about the new iPads and processors so there you go there's your information I like this uh this article looks really cool actually yeah it's a really cool profile some nice photography in there the server room there in it's crazy it's like a bigger that's like a modeling shot man okay okay just a few more quick stories just before we get to your calls global SmartWatch shipments have finally overtaken swish swish swish swish can you say Swiss watch really fast I bet you swoosh swoosh swish watch it becomes one word let's let's do it another contest guys you call us I let's see who can say swish Swiss watch shipments yes whistle Swiss watch shipments five times fast it's impossible swoosh washing miss you can't do it I can't if someone successfully calls us 1 800 61 62 63 and leaves us a very clean Swiss watch shipments five times fast we're gonna give you a price we're gonna give you something I'm gonna hook you up ok so I get back sax whilst ready yeah I got this so um for the first time smartwatches have surpassed Swiss watch sales um apple the Apple watch itself captured sixty-three percent of that global market which is an estimated 5.1 million sales in the third quarter samsung trailed with about sixteen percent with an estimated 1.3 million sales basically Apple and Samsung together accounted for eight of intent of all smartwatches shipped but yeah yeah it's it's a big deal Smart Watch so let me see this real quickly um if I oh man I can't I can't pull it up right now but a percentage percentage wise er I at least basically in total sales global smart watches rose from a net from to an estimated 8.1 million units whereas Swiss watch sales total 7.9 it's the first time they've been down compared to 8.3 million the quarter before and so now we're kind of finally seen that that point where their one's going down one's going up my hands aren't even moving the right direction that's crazy I wonder if that's gonna like if Swiss watches you know the value of them is going to increase like you know they're like antique cars or something that night air I totally see that happening that's eventually that's kind of cool all of a sudden all of a sudden because you said that next quarter they're like Swiss watch sales have surpassed ails ya t tonight yeah it's totally like good extra crunchy podcast it started right here it started right here so that's kind of another another cool tidbit uh and then just a couple other small kind of things going on with Apple Apple is offering a new payment plan they have basically like three different kind of training payment plans but this one is a new one where basically you can trade up your old iPhone or even android phone or Windows Phone apply that value of the device to a new iphone and then pay off your new gadget in installments over 24 months it's only applied to the US stores right now in apple soars physical apple stores in the US so it's a new plan it's not like this has nothing to do with their um the the whole plan where you just like trade in your phone straight up to four amount of dollars based on how much it's been damaged this is a trade up and then spread the remaining costs over 20 months 24 months to you so you know just giving us options this is the plan that I dodged by one day when I was in Detroit when I did the upgrading it was like the last day you can upgrade and I dodged it I'm so happy dang that that's very good that's super good and then finally just for macbook users uh I don't know if I actually know a lot of you have been probably affected by something like this but apples extended their macbook pro repair extension program this dates back to 15 inch macbook pros and 17-inch macbook pros sold between two thousand eleven and two thousand thirteen okay that had problems with this like flickering lyonie distorted video the remember that basically the repair program was set to expire as a februari 27th I believe this month but they've extended it one more year so you know pretty much four years to get this issue fix or if it pops up there taking care of you it's a good thing that they extended here I actually typically three years after four years after I mean people are looking for the laptop around four years or five years yeah i mean i know some of y'all are looking for a laptop like every six months but this doesn't apply to you yeah that was quite rich people don't listen to this don't list this is that they're like this is a useless story cuz I'm rich okay um Julie yo check out the phone calls at all everyone's been calling us with ya thank you guys for calling in we have a few here and the first one is from mike from canada hey this is mike from canada my question is where do you see the ipod in regards to light the ipod nano and the ipod shuffle from a year from now thank you love the podcast and see ya oh sorry go ahead come on Beachum now it's kitty oh canada baby um where do we see the ipod it's it's still I mean still kicking huh it's still there fill out and kicking it's still there ish but what about like the old like traditional ipod is that like i'm not talking about the one with the screen but you know like a traditional just music ipod does that still exist it's kind of really more like the ipod touch now okay i mean you can still there's you can still get i mean basically if i recall right i swear i'm pretty sure they stopped they discontinued the ipod classic which is like the last remnant of that is that was and it was because of the parts yeah they did they that was a our last Apple Keynote thing that we did right yeah it was like I think they did it yeah I feel like they did it again that somewhere like the end of 2014 ish maybe early 2015 but they're like it's been about a year right there like or maybe a little more than that but I'm i know they discontinued the ipod classic so I mean if he's asking what's gonna happen more to the ipod touch in the shuffle I think they're going to still exist they're just going to maybe get a processor boosts every two years I mean they're not going to keep on iterating those anymore at least the ipod touch they haven't really they'll add new colors but I there's going to always be at least a spot the ipod touch because there are still kids that a parent is not going to buy them a phone yet and so that's like an entertainment device they can still message people but they just aren't gonna set him up with like a cell phone plan yet yeah that's like my brother I'm gonna do yeah my brother-in-law his my niece has an ipod touch and then she has one of those um like Wi-Fi hotspots that's connected to a carrier but it's limited data and she knows that and so she can use it once in a while but it's not like it's a true phone all the time and you don't have to pay you know like 70 80 bucks a month for that so yeah I think that you know man I I mean Beecham you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna feel that that's gonna hit your wallet oh yeah you get there man yet I'm still working out with my ipad 3g third-generation wait wait you're you said ipad yeah i still have my that's all my kids like that's what my gave my kids become oh I say the regeneration I thought you said you work out like no it's still were like yeah i thought i meant i thought you meant like you work out at the gym with the night no no no no never never will do that that would look ridiculous alright next phone call is about a video brian just made recently actually hey grind hey everybody um I just I saw your you're in your video on netflix how is thinking it's like secure beloved very romantic very touching video anyway I've been thinking about what what if you're with your boo and you want to share a song with them you know you might be walking by the University and she might be in her other place wherever and you want to share a song together I was thinking about that is there an iOS app for that kind of see maybe maybe Brian you could do another video about music he's really he's really feeling yelling that way into it um there-there is actually I didn't really feature it because I I kind of like the idea of just like one big full screen experience when watching Netflix but there's basically a nap and people are like oh why don't you show off rabbit it's if you go to the website are a BB dot IT it's called rabbit it's an iOS app i believe it's also an available on Android as well but it's an app that'll let you watch things like Netflix let you watch things like youtube and send music and you can sync it and there's also like a video chat component involved in it it works on mobile devices it does also work on your desktop I just like the the other feature for people that don't know what he's talking about i did a video about how to sync netflix with your long-distance lover and so the website that i go to it only works in the chrome browser but it's called show-goers dot TV it's spelled like it sounds and basically you add an extension from showgoers TV and then whenever you watch Netflix you can send a link to someone that is also in the Chrome browser that also has this extension and they instantly jump into your Netflix with you and you guys can watch it together and chattering it's super cool and I like the fact that you can throw your image from your laptop to a TV screen and then just hang back and sit and watch it so um rabbit is another one RAB bi t that's not the one that works on multiple devices by it's like a big screen experience when I'm watching my netflix so um yeah there's the answer that's cool go do it with your boo or your BAE alright a couple more calls here we go hey Brian you didn't get ya next Ivan and you wave oof yes why will the next iPhone be waterproof it'll be water-resistant well existent you can splash water on it our current iphones water-resistant right now they are they are to a certain degree i mean there have been test where people they see like you although they don't recommend it and they never will outright say it's waterproof where you can put it in water and it'll still work for a while I think like there's a video where a guy put his iphone underwater for like 20 or 30 minutes and it still worked perfectly fine afterwards something that I'm not going to do but um yeah you know their water resistant but they'll never i don't think i don't making an iphone completely waterproof would probably increase the size of it by point one millimeters and I don't think that's something apples willing to yeah no it'll be heavier too so it's just one of those it's just one of those things okay here's our last call of the day for bj and I need to buy my Jesus just gonna have all this success features are six features but in the 5s form and probably going to have a rose gold edition by so he thinks the 5s e is going to have or I'm sorry what was it yeah the 5se was gonna have all the five or the s6 the 6s he said and be rose gold so there you go guys well look that's his prediction we don't eat it we don't need to do this show anymore I don't why doesn't he just take over the show uh-uh we'll take him we'll take a few weeks off go to Hawaii I know you could do something with your family stimulus let's just not do the same we're out of a job we're out of the job BJ he's the host it's the bj bite the beach it's a bj be all right guys and gals um that's pretty much gonna do it from us here are you are you good Beecham are you you in yeah you go alright so just remember guys swish watch swiss watch shipments right is it i can't wait to hear this i got 1 800 61 62 63 aight thanks so much for hanging out with us the alpha x will be back in studio together next week I believe see where they sent us all right peace take care