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good luck with that yeah it's the other way around today isn't it yep alright guys well this is Steven Shanklin dimorra senior writer here with CNET news I'm glad you could all join us here for this hangout about Google i/o this is Google's big developer conference once every year at Moscone Center in San Francisco and some other reporters and editors here at Cena and I are gonna be talking about it answering your question and so with me here are Eric Franklin he's our senior editor for tablets and West and Seth wasn't but he's our buddy reporter so he's all things all things Google and I read about browsers and web technology among other things so I think we're just gonna start right in here with some questions if you guys want to ask more just drop them into the into Google+ and we'll try to get to them but we're gonna start I think here with a question from our Yousef is a-- what's going to be different in the next update of android eric you want to field that one oh sure yeah I can totally answer that what can you guys hear me I don't know coming up on the screen okay yes I guess I wouldn't come up in the screen I mean what's gonna be different I think you know there's I don't know what's gonna be different obviously we won't know until tomorrow but I think there are a lot of rumors going around like one of the rumors one of the big rumors it's gave me a lot of traction is that Google is gonna add support for native game support to Android I think we might see stuff like leaderboards and friends lists and you know an easy way to kind of play with your friends and you know achievements and stuff like that and compete with your friends I think there's a good chance you might see that you might see that but I you know I you know that's only one little thing and to be honest personally I don't find that that attractive because you know on I don't use Game Center on iOS I don't know anyone that I know one person just lonesome that uses it and you know how many more friends and just low instance so I'm not sure how useful that's gonna be but I think a lot people might be excited about that I think you also see like you know performance tweaks and stuff like that better support for I res displays things like that and probably a lot of cosmetic tweaks and stuff to you you know you'll definitely see well you won't definitely see but you'll most likely see improvements and stuff like Google now you know embedded Google services and stuff like that but we're definitely going to be seeing a huge push on gaming just by looking at the schedule there are I think six or seven different sessions that are designed to help developers get more into the gaming world you're absolutely right about the leaderboards and stuff like that and Google now Google keeps telling us has been a huge success for them in terms of design in terms of grabbing and keeping user attention they just released Google now for Google search on Chrome I mean on a sorry on iOS so we know that if they're making a big push for iOS that it's going to not be too long before Google now comes to desktops I'll throw I'll throw one more thing into the mix and I don't know if we'll see something along this but I suspect Google will address it to some point which is the big OS fragmentation problem where people buy an Android phone and they only get the operating system they bought it with there aren't any updates that come so if you buy a Google Nexus phone you get a lot of updates but if you buy something from some of the other manufacturers sometimes it's hard to get the OS updates Google has been very dissatisfied with that I think a lot of customers been dissatisfied with that Google has tried to address it at Google i/os past the last two years and they haven't done really much to move the needle there so we might see some new some new directions out of Google there to try to fix that fix that problem yes what are you guys sure yeah no it's a it's a huge one for them well I think people are still using to point to how do you how do you address that problem that seems like well things like I wouldn't want to be in that room to you know try to figure that out no it's a mess because Google wants to be really open with Android but on the other hand to fix this problem it kind of has to frog March the handset manufacturers into the future and that's gonna cost somebody money somewhere living on maybe this is a question I think for for Seth we have a question from Victor Mendoza what oh yes what can we expect to see from Google for iOS we saw Chrome and Drive last year can we expect new apps or new features yeah new things and Google apps in the App Store I don't know that we're going to be getting any new apps I know that you know Maps Google Maps came out and there's rumors that a big update to maps announced that i/o will be indoor maps so Google has apparently figured out how to map not just the exterior world but the interior world as well that's all very exciting Google now was just ported over to the Google Search app for iOS and I believe we're gonna continue to see more of that we're going to see Google develop services on Android and the ones that are most successful and have the broadest appeal will be then ported over to iPhones and iPads and a huge thing for them has been you know Chrome for iOS I don't think we can sort of understate the importance of that because recently they just figured out a couple ways to circumvent iOS is a default app setting which prevents apps even though that you said as your default app from commanding a link control so you click on a link in your Gmail app and it will still open in Safari even if you've set Chrome as your default browser they figured out a way around that and at least for now Apple has remained silent they don't seem if they care there they're keeping that card particularly close to their chest does that only work when you're opening a link that you can open the link in chrome and Chrome for iOS or can you also open using other apps like Google Maps for iOS exactly it's exactly that Gmail now Gmail for iOS now has these options so you can allow so you can force links in Gmail to open in other Google app services so maps will go to maps any standard HTTP link will go to Chrome and there's one other that I'm forgetting Tube YouTube yes YouTube YouTube links even when they're a standard URLs we'll go directly to the YouTube app so do you think do you think it's safe to bet then that Google is going to reproduce as many of its services as possible on iOS so that we won't we won't you know have something where Android gets the premium features and iOS is kind of an also-ran mm-hmm absolutely I think they're gonna try and get as much over there as they can here's my my wishlist item for Google and iOS which is a version of ingress the real world augmented reality game for iOS I'm kind of skeptical that it's gonna happen because I think they're still Google is still developing that pretty rapidly and it's you know so right now you can get it only by invitation on your on your on Android phones but I wouldn't be surprised if we see an iOS version of that someday I might add by the way that Google i/o attendees get to join ingress which is a closed in closed beta I mean you can sign up and you'll get an invitation on the just sign up over the web but I think they're trying to kind of kick ingress into higher gear yeah that's that that's ingress and the gaming thing as well I mean that it's they're they're trying to pull out behind the scenes they're trying to pull all their services together oh it's so instead of thinking of these things as disparate units they want everyone to think of it as the Google ecosystem and more than any other company more even than Microsoft I would say this is Google's making a huge push for an ecosystem approach to using Google sorry Erika didn't mean I know that's why I'm just gonna say that I was able to download ingress for the first time last week on a tablet we have here I don't own an Android phone or Android tablet but I was able to download one here Sharon Vaknin actually introduced me to that I had no idea it was a thing but I didn't need I didn't need it I didn't need an invitation so maybe it's maybe it's available to to anyone at this point I'm not sure now you gotta get an invitation yeah it's because you were it's because you're an i/o attendee is that what it is yeah oh sorry that's good that's good so that's if you have a question here from Latian Jenson what do you think they're going to be doing with the Chrome browser will they be integrating Google now I'll leave the Google now question I think for South cuz he's written about that but I think you know this this show Google i/o the first one in 2008 was all about the browser and about programming websites and web apps and using Google API is to make your website better embedding Google services so there's a real heavy web focus at Google i/o and even though Android is huge in Google Glasses you know Bagan gets a lot of hype the browser is still really important for Google they're still fundamentally really a web company in a lot of ways so we're gonna definitely are going to see some you know chrome news and chrome developments I think one of the areas the two two areas I'm eager to hear some news one is with support for software that works when you don't have a network connection this is soft line work it's been working for years on this it's getting better slowly but there's still a lot of work to do there's something called chrome packaged apps that's something some web standards work that sort of in early days right now that kind of makes it easier to pull outta a web app and make it look like you know sort of a standalone native app like you might be used to on Windows or Mac we might see some news there and also I'm hoping to see some news with Google Docs Google Apps those are the you know online productivity tools and the guy who runs chrome also happens to run apps that sundar Pichai at Google know he also has recently taken over for Android he's got a much bigger ambit now but I think we might I'm hoping we'll see some improvements to Google Apps because I think that's kind of languished as a product in some ways and now we have Microsoft banging the drum for office 365 which is its online office suite so Steph what do you think about Google now well like I said Google now is is something that they feel is something of a sleeper hit it was introduced last year at i/o for a jelly bean and they you know the fact that they ported it to iOS I think is a really strong indicator of how serious they're taking Google now it's one of these interesting products that takes Google search which is something that everybody's familiar with and Google's knowledge graph there they're phenomenally large database that can tell the difference between the Kings sports team and the king of Thailand and and and do that in a predictive search way it's it's not something that's easily summarized but the fact that they're powering Google now off of that and the fact that cards which is Google now as interface is part of Google glass I think also speaks to how important Google now is for the company we saw a few weeks ago a an official Google add-on for Chrome but in Russian only that was that that brought Google now to Chrome I wouldn't be surprised if we saw fairly soon maybe even tomorrow an announcement of Google now as a replacement for iGoogle it's soon to be discontinued home page because that does a lot of what Google now also does yeah so basically I think I think you're right I've been watching the gradual arrival of the Google now notifications in Chrome the technology the plumbing that lets that happen they've been working on that for months now and you know essentially what you have to think about Google doing is they have two operating systems they have Android and then they have chrome and Chrome OS and a lot of the infrastructure that they have for Android with alerts and push notifications notifications in general they're moving that from Android to Chrome so that you're as you said earlier you're in the Google ecosystem you don't care what device you're using you're using up you know maybe a laptop you're using a PC you're using a Chromebook you're using an Android tablet you're using an Android phone you're using iOS you don't care what device is in front of you you get your notifications you get your email you get your hangout invitation so they're working on you know Google is is a services company much more than it is a gadget or OS company so they're they're focusing at the services level yeah hey Eric I don't mean to steal your thunder Shanklin but Eric could you talk there's a bunch of questions about hardware what we can expect Jacob here up here ahead of the first one and there's another one about they're basically asking the things that that you know that I think everyone's curious about are we looking at a nexus for update are we looking at the Google X phone are they going to be doing an Android console to go along with all this gaming right you know first of all we don't know what they're gonna have tomorrow we won't find out till tomorrow but I mean having said that I mean there are a lot of rumors out there about hardware they're you know Nexus 4 Nexus 5 Nexus 7 Nexus eight Nexus 11 tablet and phone rumors out there there's much to live in a movie I think it should be I think it will be I think it's coming out the summer starring Vince Vaughn and Owen Wilson actually no anyway you know I'm not sure I mean I would love to see some new hardware I would love to see it cuz I'm a hardware guy and I review that stuff so I'd love to see an update to the Nexus 7 I love see a new Nexus 11 even the Nexus 5 I don't do phones but I'd love to see Nexus 5 you know this rumoured specs for that you know Snapdragon 800 Snapdragon 600 for the Nexus 7 you know Tegra 4 for the Nexus 7 that sounds exciting to me I want to see that kind of stuff but you know as far as a Motorola phone I'm not sure I think you guys could be able to talk you know you guys we were speaking work more to that kind of stuff um you know as far as a gaming console mmm not anytime soon you know we um you know there's there's an Android gaming console coming out this year called the Ouya that seemed that did a first take on a couple months ago and you know it's it'll be weird for Google to come out with its own gaming console having that kind of thing that kind of thing already out there that kind of thing already you know kind of gaining traction popularity and stuff so you know I know it sounds kind of like a cop-out but we don't know what we're gonna see but you know we'd be excited to see anything new and cool seems like the rumors have been stronger just for a new Nexus 7 tablet so basically same size better screen better processor you know that seems I think probably the most solid at this stage I don't think we're necessarily going to see new phones it's I don't think that Google is gonna be anxious to let me put it this way I don't think Google was gonna be anxious to announce a new phone on stage that it's not going to be selling very soon so you know we'll have to play that by ear but the days are kind of gone I think where you would announce a brand new flagship phone and then not and then just leave customers hanging for months and months and months so that's a good point that also when I add one more things like you know these things might be in development but doesn't mean we're gonna see them tomorrow you know companies that we you know get into the habit having these little like events for one one you know one device so we might see something like that in future Google did something like that last year when they introduced the Nexus 4 and the Nexus 10 so mm-hmm discuss here tomorrow doesn't he's not coming how about the SmartWatch Justin lawston asks is Google considering the creation of a SmartWatch I'm sure Google is considering the creation of everything right I mean I'm sure their meetings about everything every little harbour you can think of you know coming out of Google as far as a SmartWatch I haven't heard any rumors about that it's something it's a thing that was rumored just today is it really yes it's intriguing technology a SmartWatch - you know tech I mean I don't have one I've never even used one but just reading about it and thinking about like you know having it sync up and you know in those cool ways like that I would be excited about it but you know I don't know if we're gonna see you know what the problem of the SmartWatch is what is do you see any watches here there's no arches Mizzy manly manly forearms well you know okay but you wait but Shanklin you're known as a weirdo I'm okay that's true that's true nobody nobody wears watches anymore we all have phones for that well this is a fair point because I do think right now Google's sort of next-generation interface shifting new paradigm work is going into Google glass because that's really you know if if you want an ancillary device that kind of supplements what you already get with a mobile phone I think that their idea is you want something that you don't have to you your hands to operate and a watch could be nice for you know you're keeping track of your workouts or something like that that seemed to be sort of the focus for most of the wearable computing out there but I think Google thinks I think it would rather be you know shifting the agenda and you know getting us to think about the shiny new future and I think Google glass is much more compelling way for them to do that you know they've got the skeptics to convince but a watch you know it's fine it's fundamentally it's really small it's got a tiny little screen you probably you know if it has any amount of computing ability you're gonna have to talk to it to get it to do anything you can't type on it so I think you know as long as you have those can those constraints for something new I think Google's more into Google glass but yeah I'm as said yeah of course they're trying it they try everything you know it's funny you mentioned glass because I think when granted we have no evidence of this whatsoever but it'd be very strange after last year's extreme sports a remarkable demo and debut of glass for them not to bring it up I think we're gonna see two things from glass this year we're gonna see some I guess you could call them hardware partners we're gonna see some fancy high-end eye glass makers announced with Google glass integration and it's not going to look anything like the demo pair that that we have no to that we've come to love and mock and the other thing is is that I think we're gonna see a real big emphasis on glass app development I did a story a few weeks ago on the kinds of people that are developing for glass and the kinds of investors that are looking at getting into it and the investors are just sitting on a ton of cash and they are very very eager to throw it at developers they want somebody who's going to make a killer app for glass something that is good that's going to convince people to give it a shot even with all the weirdo privacy violations and etiquette problems that it brings yeah so hey I'm not no Johnnie red come asks glass has been getting a lot of bad press over privacy what I don't understand is why aren't like why people are talking more about the great things that this can devise is able to do and I don't know anything I think they are talking about the great things it can do but you know the press we like controversy and conflict and disagreements and differences of opinion and so we always gravitate toward the fights so the other thing the other thing to address Johnny's question is that people don't what one of the problems is is that the privacy problem is very obvious somebody looks at you and is recording you and posting you to the Internet that's a very simple story to tell nobody really knows what glass can do yet because nothing's really been developed for it it has a lot of a lot of potential it could be used by surgeons it could be used by first responders it could be used when you're on vacation and you want real-time translation in your ear but none of them that's actually been built at least not to our knowledge and III think that that the the that disconnect will will we'll see we'll see a change as apps get developed for it but for now we can see the privacy problem we can't see the end use case in a actual real world situation so now we have let's say we have a question from us a fuller Nick Jew what about the unified messaging app this is I think the project that's been codenamed Babel and I mean I personally I use a lot of Google services I use hangouts and use Google Voice I use Google Chat gmail chat and it's a mess you know I have to go in through different windows and different dialog boxes I mean what do you think about that is there room for improvement for Google unified messaging so yes absolutely is it going to come I don't know I I mean again look at Google's big top-line projects at the moment glass Google now and as for our software and services are concerned Google+ you know again easily mockable but something that that behind the scenes has pulled together a lot of threads and we're now seeing them sort of braid it into one rope if you'll let me run with that metaphor so we're seeing a a connected chain of things happening with Google will they be doing something with Google Plus almost almost without a doubt like how could they not what is it you know you know I Unified Messaging would be graining Unified I think I mean I think Google has been focusing a lot of attention on on communications you know that all the big ecosystem guys have realized communication is a big deal for people you know it's trying to put people first you hear out of out of everybody and you know all the big ecosystem players Microsoft Apple Google and you know that's a fair point we all use our devices to communicate and so I do think that Google needs to clean up their yeah we got a few more questions coming in mmm you know we kind of talked about this earlier maybe we can go over it again Larry Larry as Barry jr. asks with blackberries new device being capable of utilizing Android apps the problem of Android hardware segmentation only seems to get larger what can should the interesting industry do to streamline Android Harwick segmentation and mitigate poor or inconsistent Android experiences I mean it's like I I don't know I mean I mean one thing is like what incentivize that you know better incentivize you know service devices that already use the latest version of Android right so you know everyone on the Nexus 7 wouldn't have a problem with that but that's not really a realistic solution I don't know how to do it you know reminds me of sorry you know reminds me of is Windows XP Android 2.2 is Windows XP it's just good and it's just good enough to be on enough systems on enough devices to be a colossal pain in the butt 2.3 Gingerbread you mean well any any well just Jordan yeah any - I know here's the way I see it I I wouldn't be surprised if in the future we see kind of a two-tier and Android handset marketplace where we have the big boys Samsung maybe LG Motorola you know those guys stay on the car release track so new Android update comes out from Google and these phones get it sooner maybe a month or two or three later after they finished breaking it for their own custom user interface oops did I say breaking it sorry anyhow so you know you have the you have the big boys who have you know a lot of brand promise those guys stay on the on the release train and then you have this huge number of lower-cost phones and those come with the OS that it came with and that's it and there's not really as much of a brand promise when you get it there's necessarily maybe as much of an expectation that you're going to be able to play all the latest and greatest games that are coming out it probably doesn't come with top shelf hardware anyway because these are the budget phones so I you know I wouldn't be surprised if we see a situation where you get you know you have developers concentrating making sure their apps work on all the on all the you know the high-end devices the ones that stay on the release train and then people will just pretty much ignore the other ones and you have kind of this you know this ghetto of low-end devices so that's my personal forecast is that some market forces are gonna I wouldn't say fix it but there's kind of giving this consumers are going to come to an understanding they can either be on the train and pay for it or not mmm harsh hard work SEMA Shanklin how you gonna fix that but yeah it's it's true so it's a huge problem yeah and it's interesting because they you know with with iOS there's something analogous where you were you still have a lot of people on older versions of iOS but for some reason the Android fragmentation really grabbed people's imagination and it's become a much bigger deal on Android than on on iOS maybe because there's such a huge variety of hardware yeah and and if people don't upgrade to the OS as often here's a question from Tom Rodman this is kind of a point product thoughts about Google keep that's the note-taking app what do you guys think about that you tried it at all Seth accidentally I thought I was using my own note-taker now and now I'm using Google keep it's fine it hasn't it hasn't struck me as any kind of major game changer except in the fact that it allows them to rebrand something that's sort of difficult to expand I mean what was the old one called Google note or something like that and I can't remember the idea of a competing with Evernote I think is is very clever on Google's part but they also didn't have anywhere else to go with it Evernote sort of owns that that uber note-taking space where you can integrate photos and recipes and business cards and honestly if anybody can solve a business card the business card problem I will be very happy yeah you know but beyond that keep as a sounds good it depends on development for it so it's new we could easily see some improvements announced for tomorrow but I worry I worry that it runs the same risk as a lot of Google services which is they have an 18th month 18 month shelf life and then they die well that's less what Tom Robin ASCII says something about feels like about this feels like it's not ready for primetime but they must have a big vision or they wouldn't have bothered right well this is Google so sometimes they they you know even in this supposedly more disciplined era of Larry Page as CEO they're still throwing a lot of spaghetti against the wall so I think this I'm not sure I'd say this is a piece of spaghetti but I do think you know way Google operates is they put something underwhelming out fairly often you know when Google now launched a year ago it was okay you can see potential in it yeah potential for sure but but it was kind of mad and you know but they steadily add more features to it they build it up they wire more services into it it becomes more interesting richer and they see what people are doing with it so you know this is very much the Google way is launched early and iterate often so I wouldn't write it off yet but I'm having a hard time getting really that excited about Google keep personally you know yeah let's see what we have here nice name only Tom Rodman that's a good name but on your ancestors for giving you that Rodman name that's good ah I see how from David I wasn't making fun of that's a good name no no I have an affinity for that name so David Miller writes how important is play games to be play store and Google+ what will be Google's biggest announcement of i/o yeah that's a good question yeah the second the second one is is this hard to answer because my crystal ball broke I don't know 20 years ago it has actually you know it disappoints me about the Nexus Q is that for what it does it's actually quite effective it just doesn't do much yeah yours doesn't work mine works yeah but it just doesn't do much um as far as how important is Play games to the Play Store on Google+ it's about to become much more important gamification of Education game playing on mobile devices is just booming as a as stuff people want to do with their mobile devices just last week BlueStacks which had which has built but which sort of cut its teeth on this app player that allows you to run Android apps on your Windows and Mac devices announced that they were moving into the gaming console device which and their their game console called game pop allows you to use your Android or your iOS phone as the controller and the service is a subscription base you pay seven bucks a month and you get it starting 500 android games on the console and that will go up over time the point being is that there's a lot of games a lot of gamification going on in android games everyone hoping will be big personally my phone has really crappy battery life and i can't play games on it because it'll die and i'd rather have it for mission-critical stuff I'd also rather read a book but so here's here's a question from Josh Cain this is a perpetual favorite why do you think Google+ is still not gaining many users even though it offers more or at least as many features as Facebook so this is the the favorite ghost town question yeah I would I mean you know Shengo maybe this is for you because you have a hugely active life on Google on Google+ compared to other people I think and you've got like what 10,000 followers there or something 400,000 but for huge number those people are passive so they're so they're they're yeah but but how's the quality of your engagement with the people there I think it's pretty good you know it's up there with you know Twitter I certainly get you know a lot of engagement with with both of them so I don't know I think the I think the apps are pretty good for mobile apps are pretty good for both iOS and Android the Google+ apps they're very engaging they're fun to you know watch the little pictures and words slide by they feel pretty fluid and fun so I think I like the software I like the interaction I think the main thing that Google+ the social network has going against it is that everybody's friends are on Facebook so guess what how many people want to run to social networks three social networks whatever so you know Google gets a lot they get to coast because so many people are part of Google services you know my my brother-in-law was trying to rate an A game on his Android phone the other day and he found oh I have to sign up for Google+ if I want to rate this thing you know and he was actually really actively annoyed by because he has too much you know a lot of us have too much more technology in our lives than we want so you know that's you know I was talkin I do think there a lot of people but it's not just about features it's about who you know and where they are and where they engage and that's the biggest problem Google+ has but I was talking you know with Google last year last year last week and they're telling me that I oh sorry sorry was Google last week and they were telling me that Google+ has had the fastest climb of organic new subscribers not subscribers bolted and from Gmail or other Google services but organic new subscribers that the fastest climb to whatever metric they've a they they told me 400 million or something like that I have to check my notes then any other service like what took Facebook and Twitter six or seven years to reach Google+ has reached with organic new subscribers in 18 months yeah I do think I do think those those growth statistics are a little funny though sometimes because what you have a new service you know the first person who figures it out the Pioneers that say it always takes them a long time to reach whatever number and then the copycats can do it faster because a lot of the marketing work is done the consumers understand what the service does so I you know that I take that with a grain of salt but yeah but to address our point to address canes or Josh canes original question that it's not gaining many users I think Google would argue that it's actually quite the opposite that it's it's skyrocketing in its growth whether that's true or not well they're they're they're seeing the kind of engagement I don't know I would say that I would caution people though that the way that you use Google+ is not the way that you use Facebook and I don't think the two services are trying to be identical so I kind of cringe a little when people say well you know how is Google+ competing with Facebook or vice versa because they they occupy a similar space but it's not like they're fighting over the same pillar to stand on there's definite different use cases there we see I was just looking at this one this is a spitballing question what would you think constitutes the killer app for glass remote control remotely control your arm your Ironman armor you can do that I think they what's probably sell a lot of those thank you well I'm not gonna agree with that what's the battery power on that armor though yeah well apparently apparently first you have to get FiOS into Tennessee you guys see that you guys see the city of Chattanooga objecting to that as PR as PR it was I thought it was really well done because yeah you know they weren't really really yeah waiting that hard it was just an opportunity to coast off the Iron Man publicity machine by tracking it Chattanooga chatting anyway moving on we don't need to know about those cities Spencer pond uh how do you think Google Wallet will be upgraded there was something in the planner talking about that and Google Google glass inspired indoor Google Maps so first question is how do you think Google Wallet will be upgraded and then what about indoor Google Maps have you guys heard anything about Google Wallet updates yes there was a rumor for a while all that they were going to be making a Google Wallet card like a physical credit card style card that you could keep and and use in case your phone didn't have the proper NFC hardware that apparently has been killed so they're not going to be doing that physical card or at least they're not going to be announcing it tomorrow again though this could all be subterfuge and rumor juggling's who really knows I don't know that if I had a Google card unless it was free you know like like the Clipper cards from uni around here used to be I don't know that anyone would actually go out and get it so and the other question was indoor Google Maps inspired Google Maps though I have heard we only spoke about that at the top of the Hangout that that that indoor mapping is coming and it's really only because there's nowhere else left to go for Google Maps that they've already been to Mars they've gotten to the moon they've gone to the ocean floor what's left I don't know so wait I just have to throw this in here we have one from Toronto go Beach it can someone say Croatia so we're dutifully saying Croatia there I'm relational yeah we have Croatian people in the Hangout that's great but unfortunately is no specific question so that's as far as we go that but I think we're gonna wrap this up wrap up this hangout we've got one more question this is another thorny issue for the for the fanboys this is from Tim feasel how should Google get iOS developers to develop their to develop their apps for Android so how how can we get the iOS guys to move over to Android obviously they're you know their bajillion Android apps but it's still often the developers write for iOS first and often iOS only what do you guys think about the fleshing out the ecosystem this is the man talked about going there I mean man isn't it just a question of how do you get google app developers to make more money than iOS developers right yeah I I feel like I mean that that's the general consensus at least is that you can make more money because people actually buy apps people are willing to pay for in-app purchases and stuff like that if you're on iOS versus if you're on Google Play I don't know how tricky that is and the ad conversion rates are better as well fine well yeah yeah so I mean if if Google can somehow make it so that app developers for Google Play can make just as much money or more money than they can develop us I think you'll see more and also these the segmented hardware is a promised is a problem - I mean iOS definitely you see upgrades over you know it's basically the same family of hardware though that give you know from ipad 2 to I pad for or iPhone you know iPhone 3GS - iPhone 5 it's really the same family like especially if you're talking about games you know you know if you do jump me from a regular display - Retina displays just double the resolution it's not that it's not that complex but if you're going on Google on a Google platform if you're trying to develop a game on a Google platform yeah always different hardware things to consider and I think that just makes it a little bit more complex and just not as easy more headachy to develop for yep I think that's it alright guys well thanks so much for joining us on the Hangout here we're gonna wrap it up and we'll be covering Google i/o with live blog tomorrow starting it I think 8:30 a.m. Pacific is 8 a.m. is when TV starts their commentary and then we are in at Koni Center West at 9:00 a.m. to kick off the live blog yeah so it'll be a bunch of us Seth is gonna be on I'm gonna be on Maggie Reardon some other folks from CNET bringing you all the news from the show big keynote is on Wednesday and then we'll be doing uncovering ongoing coverage of all the Google i/o breakout sessions so there should be plenty of news this week thank you all for joining us already thanks everybody