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welcome to the 359 on Roger Chang I'm Ben Fox ribbon tomorrow is the Big Apple event and the rumors are flying fast and furious a bunch came out over the last day or so and just wanted to run through what we think will happen tomorrow we'll definitely see three iPhones two updates the iPhone 10 one called two 10s and one rumored to be the tennis max there is supposedly a third model that is supposed to be cheaper it's called it's rumored to be the iPhone 10 are a horrible name bigger but uses lower end components and a redesigned Apple watch with smaller bezel potentially EKG support which is kind of interesting actually in terms of Apple's push to position the Apple watch as a as a health device and then we'll likely see new air pods and hopefully a launch date and price for the air power wireless charging pad remember thing it was announced last year and yes I showed up since then that is a lot of stuff by the way and there's a lot to show there are a lot more rumors that came out yesterday I want to break down though what do you think of this lineup this is a pretty stacked lineup for for Apple right I think it's a look it sounds pretty solid showing off like three of the newer 10 models I think makes a lot of sense that you know they were like this is the future of the phone and now they're basically moving the entire lineup to that my concern is with the budget phone we were talking about this ahead of the show that it could be as low as $700 which is a budget phone not really or as high as like eight hundred and fifty dollars yeah according to analysts yeah the range varies I think one analysts know that it could go as high as 850 if Apple really wanted to wring out the profits on that phone which would really significantly change the pricing dynamic of these iPhone a pricing range of the iPhone right it's always been generally 650 now 700 to a thousand now we could see that range go even higher yeah our colleague Chara tip c'n who also mentioned that like the there needs to be a refresh on the iPhone se yep it seems extremely unlikely they are gonna talk about that on the big stage like they're just like the SE they do like a very mild show off of that the last time they didn't update on it I think they just increased the storage on it yeah it was a press release yeah but it would be nice if they really tried to emphasize a little bit more on the budget stuff but what we're expecting to see is is like Apple just pushing up the price on premium phone yet even more than before and basically if you want to get a deal or a bargain for an iPhone you basically have to look at the really old SE or the older models presumably one of the iPhone 8 iPhone 8 will probably stick around the iPhone 7 might stick around we'll see but those older models are usually where you want for those deals wander breakdown so a couple of rumors on products we may see there's the iPad pro which an analyst came out said yesterday that he expects to see face ID smaller bezels that's been rumored but the big thing is support for USB see not a lightning port but actually USB seeping the iPad pro yeah that's that's the big rumor which can be a big change am I wrong about this they don't usually do iPads during like their iPhone event they have in the past they but it's been inconsistent maybe I had their own iPad events in past this one they may have too much and they might push that one to October will likely also see a MacBook Air replacement with better resolution which will also be in October I would be excited to hear right and then you know there's the ongoing rumors the Apple TV service which our colleague Joan Salzman did a nice breakdown over the weekend the TV service probably isn't showing up this year but just in case we want to throw it out there as a potential potential highlights the one of these shows oh look that's a lot you know like I think at WWDC we were all kind of looking at each other being like okay well what's the headline it looks like there's gonna be a lot to write about tomorrow so definitely come back to CNN to check it out that's right I'm Roger Chang I'm Ben Fox River thanks for listening there we go just a little a little out there I take one day off and you guys screw it all up okay wait how do we screw it up it's the new year it's the new year it's fine for more on these stories check us out I didn't turn it up let's play man just blame me we usually do that's uh that's why you guys like having me on but anyways thanks everybody for joining us it's time for the post show so we're gonna jump into the chat and take questions and comments for anybody who's got some good stuff keep the conversation going few people don't I mean we joke about the names and a lot of people think it's kind of a silly naming convention there are worse out there let's be honest yeah some do you like it though Thomas Tiger says X R is a good name Thomas Biswas asks which name for an iPhone would you guys prefer don't you go ahead and floor that we're so much better at criticizing no look I would like them to name them the iPhone 9 9 got completely screwed in this whole situation so that would put seven eight nine seven eight nine I knew you're gonna make that joke that's such a dad dad jokes all right and and you know we're gonna inevitably go over all the naming conventions for next year right as we were talking about it with the iPhone 10 we were like what are they gonna call it next year well they just called it the 10s and makes a lot more sense so I would have liked them to just go down to the bare bones basic iPhone iPhone iPhone plus iPhone mini I guess you know kind of like what their iPad name is scheme was yeah and though this was a little bit confusing because the the quote-unquote cheaper budget iPhone the lowest cost iPhone in the lineup is actually bigger than the yeah that's true that is true the iPhone so that the smallest phone lineup of this upcoming rumor lineup is the iPhone 10s just the regular one which is an update to the iPhone 10 mmm-hmm same size 5.8 and then you've got the 6.5 iPhone 10's max in between is a 6.5 inch iPhone 10 R I thought it was six point one six point one okay so it's five point eight six point one and six point five but it's a meter one the sighs which is really weird why we think it's the most intriguing one the middle phone is also the cheapest phone and yeah the common brakes the convention that larger phones have to be more expensive this one is kind of a different one I mean it uses it doesn't use OLED right uses LCD Ron said aluminum is so stammers I know just go for aluminium I'm not saying it let's say that again so that part's the confusing thing where it's a you know and why it's so interesting because it's it's I think it's the food a lot of people know after because it is big if they price it the right way if they price it properly closing the 7 we're all cheap so in our minds the right way is like the cheapest price right yeah but a 650 if I could if if they do then it could spark that you know quote-unquote supercycle that everybody was like missing last year for the 10th anniversary they still did well right they still did just fine yeah still true demand for the iPhone 10 definitely was I mean far outstripped the 80 plus right wouldn't make sense like who's gonna buy like at this point three year old looking phone I agree yeah yeah anyway where are questions bring him on all right let's take the first one from shoe bomb I was asking if we know anything about the new Mac with touch ID support yeah so the analyst from the Minko that analyst who's known for leaking a bunch of things accurately I talked about a MacBook Air replacement with touch ID it wouldn't get the the touch bar that is a basically exclusive to the MacBook Pros right now but we would presumably get touch ID with okay what's supposed to have like everything else smaller bezels higher resolution and just sort of a a badly needed refresh of that of that model it's been it's old it's very long time I'm still skeptical that it's gonna happen we've talked about it so many times in September in October that the prospect of it actually coming I just I don't even know what to say hard to imagine sounds so dour speaking a touch next question Timothy do did they officially kill the ipod touch hasn't that does that still sell maybe the I know I know the ipod touch was the last one that they were selling they got rid of a lot of the other iPods like the iPod mini and the regular oh yeah so the iPod Touch is the last one to actually survive and I'm not sure that they actually still sell it think they sell it I wanted to get to something else by the last time I went to a store and saw one yeah oh wait wait wait sorry I stand corrected the iPod Touch is still around yes I do see multiple colors it's they're selling so few of them but whatever what do they care they haven't dated in a long time yeah wrong so you know so one thing that I wanted to like dive into a little bit more from what we were talking about why is what would a newer version of the air pods like actually look like so yeah they're doing really well I see them a lot around in the city so they're obviously popular I mean it could just be simple things whether it's like shorten the tip maybe better or better battery yeah it could be stuff that's less cosmetic more internal stuff yeah thanks faster I don't know they're I don't use their pods I'm still a little skeptical maybe maybe though I don't know like I'm always worried they're gonna fall out and they're definitely gonna make them more expensive though if they're gonna do yeah again - they're gonna price it twice as much maybe the gen one gets cheaper yeah I guess so but I I don't disagree with what your analysis is is that it's not really gonna be that different and in that case why even keep around the gen one but I don't know we'll find out tomorrow next question from lost legacy and James favor can fever excuse me combined do you think the new iPhone is gonna support Apple pencil oh I've seen rumblings that's a great question I don't think so I find that very doable it's it's a very interesting idea they're not Samsung yeah and it doesn't come like they're there yeah they're keeping the the pencil to the iPad line making that you know its own unique feature I mean they theoretically could for the new 10 smacks there you go because it's a bigger phone 6.5 it is it's one of the bigger phones out there I think it is has a bigger display than even the no.9 so it could theoretically take advantage of it but I don't know if they're gonna go down that route isn't that something that like Steve Jobs made fun of a long time ago yeah we just like to hell with styluses your finger yeah it's all you needs your finger I got ten styluses right here that's right they cost nothing mm-hmm the cheapest Apple accessory you ever I mean until they find a way to charge you for right right right right from Pope Allah Pro therapy what's the best way to buy the new iPhone from the App Store Apple Store excuse me or carrier uh it depends on how quickly you want it I think if you want it right away probably buying it through the Apple store online pre-ordering getting up it well for us 3:00 a.m. to do it or even before 3:00 a.m. just to get ready that part is even when you guys get up at 3:00 a.m. as hardcore fans slash people who are paid to go and cover this professionally yeah there's still people in line before you oh oh yeah days ahead absolutely yeah well definitely not the store the store is probably the worst place to go you you want pure online if you don't care about getting it right away I would wait a little while to see how the carrier's push this thing because you know a few years back they were pushing all these incredible like buy one get one free or upgrade for free type deals I don't know if that's gonna come back but you know these carriers it's still fairly competitive environment and I wouldn't be surprised if they'd offer more incentives at least a little down the line like that first the first few weeks that that rush of buy an iPhone there's that there's it's just it's a pain of but because the demand is usually constrained or a demand high supplies use a constrained and so there's no need for incentives but if you're one to wait around for a little while I'm willing to bet it's it's probably better off for you financially to wait oh yeah if you're really dying to get one immediately I agree with you the pre-order is the way to go and like immediately when they opened reordering is when you would want to do it yeah yeah if you show up at a carrier store this happened to me with the iPhone 6 so this was a while ago but I showed up at a Verizon store they didn't have the color I wanted so you know you will sometimes find the the phone that you want and it won't be as much of a weight but sometimes the carriers don't have the same stock as the actual Apple store so that's another thing to at least consider so yeah there are also other phone makers by the way really brother there are other companies that make phones did you know that not not this week all right from potato potatoes it's the best screen name I've seen in a while so leaks and rumors just started saying that prices will be much higher than previously anticipated what are your thoughts yeah I mean that's I think that's something we alluded to with with that discussion of the analysts range especially for that budget for the I think not the budget fund I keep calling it the budget phone but iPhone 10 R or whatever was gonna be called the the cheapest one I think that's really gonna set the pattern or the tone for what the prices are gonna look like you know if it's priced at 700 you could see I guess a more rational pricing set up but if it starts at 8:50 which is what one analyst suggested that throws everything out of whack and like prices are gonna make are just gonna jump and it's or it'll I guess be a bit interesting test on how what the tolerance level is for Apple fanboys and Apple fans in general and whether or not they're willing to pay that much more for a phone well we were talking about this earlier that the 10s max is expected to hit well over $1100 yeah right so so and and if you got increased storage it could be 1,200 or something yeah if the if the iPhone 10 are the rumored iPhone 10 are starts at 8:50 I mean yeah you could see at 10:50 or 1100 or even 1115 right so starting price and that's not as you said that doesn't include like the step-up for more memory what you kind of want to do if you can spend that much money on a phone you you probably don't want to get max memory possible yeah so like to throw it out to the chat like how many of you folks have an iPhone 10 you know like we live around New York City a lot of people have iPhone tens yeah I mean like if they have iPhone eights I don't really know because they look like iPhone 6s so but I I don't see any lack of iPhone tens you know like they're definitely around but I would assume that other places in the country probably aren't you know jam-packed with the iPhone tens the same way this area is from Carlos Martinez a I have a question it's the iPhone 10's max boy I'm really going to learn to hate I know I know this is it's really annoying to say them out loud right over and over and over again yeah it's really awful is the iPhone 10's max supposed to be as wide as the iPhone eight plus and a little bit taller uh I think it's supposed to be right around the same size as the plus maybe you're right it might be a little bit longer to fit that screen but given the fact that they've removed most of the bezel from this you know they're using the knotch design that they're able to jam in more screen I think it's supposed to be right around the the plus size but well I mean we'll see it we'll see tomorrow yeah and maybe they'll have well this is an se or - so expecting like a really impressive new feature like face ID we don't really like the rumors haven't really percolated about anything like that right like that's not no that's that's an interesting thing that's why I think that that lower cost phone is the most interesting one because the in terms of the the 10s and the 10s max we haven't seen a lot of chatter about anything significantly new about these phones beyond the fact that there's a bigger one and so I guess that's innovation they crammed in horse home yeah they'll probably talk up the cameras I'm sure got improvements or software tricks whatever that they did to the camera but like in terms of like we haven't heard a rumor of like a big hallmark like that our key features well D you know well then again there last year when like an emojis came out that was more like the ones we all talked about we didn't know anything about them going in so I'm sure there'll be some surprises to come tomorrow yeah software is definitely easier to keep secret than hardware so that's that's a big reason why yep here's a good question from lost legacy how much do you think the tariffs are gonna raise the price of Apple's new products good question yes so well Apple Apple did submit some paperwork they filed some paperwork to say that the tariffs were going to directly impact a variety of their products I don't think that the iPhone was actually included in there for some reason even though they are all made in China yeah so is it is it really gonna substantially impact price that's hard to say because Apple makes such an enormous profit off of these phones that would they be willing to take less money to make sure that people didn't get like such a shock from the rice it's that's hard to say because they have a very loyal fan base and it's been proven time and time again that they're willing to pay up maybe this price increase that we're seeing now is it could be tariffs or later no it's not if it is tariff related when the tariffs go away they're not gonna lower that you guys got used to this price we're just gonna take more money oh yeah yeah but yeah that's definitely a good question and definitely expect to see Apple talk more about that because they did file some some paperwork with the government no no no not tomorrow but like there this isn't the end of like tariff discussions so definitely look out for that Josef Gauss wants to know what do you guys prefer iOS or Android operating systems oh we can't play favorites I use both yeah I use both yeah same I mean like I use both I switch to Android last year and it took a while for me to get used to it but you know the concept of it being more customizable is totally true with iOS it is a lot simpler so sometimes it is nice to jump back on my work phone which is an iOS phone just because it's it's easier to use but you know you are a little bit more hemmed in so it's exactly what everybody always says about the two they both have benefits and they both have yeah they're just I feel like they're just different you know they have different each of them have different quirks of them and muscle memories different muscle memories required for different operating systems but I don't I like them both for different reasons I know that's a lame answer but uh yeah I'm a fence sitter - I just jumped to Android a little over a year ago and I like it I like it just fine but I also did not hate iOS right but uh there's nothing about iOS it's gonna come dragging me back now that I'm on Android yeah same here I totally agree totally that's about where I sit on that one myself yep people seem to be pretty okay with like the new iPhone 10 I don't know like all the different gestures and the face idea yeah I never use kind of annoying at first but you get used to it mm-hmm we got time for a couple more not much time though Samara McCoy do you guys think the phones are gonna be fully waterproof they should well there'll be ip67 water-resistant what's that like 30 minutes yeah I believe it's 30 minutes yeah exactly it's not waterproof that's that's definitely a big misnomer that that term gets thrown out way too liberally waterproof means like you basically throw in the pool forever and leave a sign this definitely has a time limit to it so it's not it's not waterproof but it will be water-resistant like the previous versions from James fever again what are the pricings for these upcoming phones and let's go ahead and expand that what do you think is going to be the most popular one amongst the three hmm so the pricing is still unclear we were just talking about that earlier like the cheapest one could range anywhere between 700 and 850 and I think the rest of the pricing scheme will take its cues from that imagine the subsequent model will be $150 more than the next one it's the same so we're not sure the price range could be anywhere from 700 to a thousand to 850 to 1150 1200 sounds about right yeah if we're following patterns at least yeah and as far as the most popular at least at this point we're anticipating that the iPhone 10 are because it's the cheapest one there are there are still alive cheapest one but it's the biggest one and you know most people don't care whether or not it's stainless steel versus aluminum or OLED versus LCD if it's a bigger phone and it's a lower price that'll be an interesting one that that really kind of makes puts the the original 10 s the five-point inch one that one can put in an awkward position this is more expensive it does have higher in specs it's got a better camera most likely but it's also the smaller one and I think most consumers who want to spend this kind of cash on an iPhone preferred the larger one yeah it's not a plastic body it seems to me like if this is the phone that they're describing they've figured out the right way to do a cheaper phone as opposed to doing the 5c yeah which was like a plasticy phone with a bunch of rivals it was colorful but like it just didn't sell people then people weren't that into it wasn't cheap and that's why I don't think they're gonna use the the C name yep it's C stands for cheap you know that's right just enough time for let's do 2 more which processor brand what Apple used in the new iPhone lineup that present well they use their own processor their own design chip it's based off of arms design but that was the thing they don't use Qualcomm chips which is what a lot of Android phones use they do they do design their own chips there are manufactured but I think Taiwan Semiconductor and at least one other company but they are their own design chips that's but it's often like the secret sauce to why their phones tend to run faster than some of their Android counterparts so so the bigger story line is the modem though so let's get it yeah yeah so obviously they've been in a middle of a legal battle with Qualcomm which is the biggest supplier of modems had been there their only supplier was up until I think two years ago when that's year or two years ago yeah when they split between Qualcomm and Intel I'm not sure what's going into this phone whether it's like the expectation the expectation is is it's all Intel okay and that could be a concern for a lot of folks because intel their--their modems aren't as fast as the qualcomm one so you're buying a phone that could be slightly hampered our regular consumers gonna notice probably not but still you're so giving a lot of money this is a modem connection that's for the network connection so that it's pretty it's pretty important this isn't processing speed so it's not how fast your your phone runs in terms of running programs it is about the cell connection whether or not you connection be faster and yeah it's you rightly point out Intel has generally been a generation behind in terms of speed you know last year Qualcomm got to a gigabit LTE connection first and Intel was still kind of well behind we'll see if the Intel catches up I think it's believed that Intel will supply all the modems this time around but that's one of those things that's to be determined we we have to wait until someone breaks up in the phone actually like looks at the parts before we can really confirm what's inside someone called Bill Detweiler there we go closing thoughts will iOS 12 be released tomorrow or later and Scott Myatt says I heard there's a rumor going around that there's gonna be no headphone adapter in the Box this time is that gonna bother people I did hear that rumor I heard that rumor too that I mean that'll bother me I like those dongles cuz I keep losing them I need more toggles the dongle I almost dropped it in the middle of the street recently oh it's so tiny and I'm sure it costs like twenty-five dollars to replace it right are they doing iOS 12 tomorrow do they usually they don't it's usually like they will announce a date for you to download it it's fairly it's not that long you you it's like a week or two before you actually get iOS 12 I would not download iOS 12 at least when it first becomes available it's usually buggy they use have to run patches or updates I'd wait a few weeks wait a week or two at least before download iOS 12 just get the kinks out of it all all right before we wrap it up couple of closing thoughts fantastic questions keep flooding in but we are out of time Alex Mitchell wants to talk about the oneplus 60 in the near future Josh Boyd is looking forward to possibly different-colored air pods James fever wants to know if there's any word on new MacBook Air or mini so let's keep our ears to the ground for all of those things otherwise tomorrow we are not gonna have a show because see nuts gonna be broadcasting live surrounding the Big Apple event stay tuned for that I'm pretty sure Vanessa is gonna be hosting yep yeah no no Ashley Ashley's host my dad so Nessa will be on the ground yeah okay so come back for that we'll be back with the regular podcast on Thursday Roger you want to send us home yes our podcast is available on iTunes tune in stitcher Feedburner Coquelin music Amazon alexa and of course Unicom stay tuned to see net for all more coverage tomorrow we won't be around but shower/tub ken scott stein the whole crew will be on the ground at Apple Park for all the Apple good news tomorrow thanks everybody thanks buddy you