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welcome to the 359 I'm Ben Fox Ruben I'm Scott Stein the iPhone 10 our reviews are out and we've got Scott here to walk us through the new device let me just read off some quotes from your review sure you're probably not going to miss any of the stuff in the iPhone 10's but the did the iPhone 10's brings to the table this is my favorite iPhone probably in years and last I think this is the one to get so let's start with your overall impressions that was obviously very positive yeah it was because I think well Apple makes a lot of iPhones too many iPhones and I think that it's hard to make a decision I think you often get tempted by the step-up models and that's happened since the plus phones have been here and the dual cameras and they gobbled it a lot more to make what is now their entry-level phone I'll be it's still an expensive 750 750 yeah but they've done a lot more to make that an attractive pick and I don't think that those step up features are really is a step up unless you're really really into some of those fine details I don't think most people won't be so let's talk about some of the things that you would be missing getting on the 10r as opposed to the 10s or the 10s max dual camera there's no dual camera no there's also the body is what it's like steel instead of steel aluminum instead of steel steel started being a you know the iPhone models for a couple years and I've been aluminum but the Tanners are steel and then the last thing is the screen which is an LCD versus an OLED let's dive into that one first are people really going to notice the difference between an LCD versus an OLED you did a lot of comparisons there yeah we did a lot and I had some help with that too and and if you look at them side by side you definitely see that the OLED is better absolutely black levels some some color tone in some instances it can look a bit brighter all of the display nets are the same the display however on its own looks great and I think that's the important thing to point out is if you're just looking at it as an iPhone and you're not doing a review right if you're coming to it from a you know an iPhone 8 iPhone 7 it looks great and I think the extra real estate they're really mad now it's technically lower resolution than the 10s max but that resolution is an area that I don't think the eye can really perceive it's it the same resolution that the eights been at that kind of Retina Display level and it looks great apps have mapped really well to it I haven't found any that don't work well it's a tweener size so it's a little smaller than the max which I actually like because I found that those plus phones are a little too wide and I feel like this is a a more manageable larger phone let's talk about the camera too so you're not getting the dual camera were there any issues or problems I guess the one thing that you noticed was that what was it the pixel three XL yeah takes better pet shots it takes they're really nice and better better frame portrait shots yeah I think you know pixel three takes fantastic photos the I wanted to compare because it's also single lens Apple included a portrait mode the single lens so it actually does okay and never failed me on people but it's only designed to work with people so and it's also a wide-angle so as I say in the review it's a very different type of portrait shot than the telephoto one on the 10s things are just farther away so you have to get closer to subjects it kind of feels more subtle so I don't and I'm not a big portrait mode user anyhow but I do like to exome I like the ability to get a little bit closer especially for close-ups of things for when I work at looking hands-on and things like that I use that so I think lacking that it's a shame but I think you can do enough with this phone everything else from the front-facing camera to the other features wide-angle are the same as the 10s and so it generally it looks great so ultimately hold on to your money you're better off getting a 10 R if you are an Apple customer you're better off getting a 10 R then a 10 s probably like a 10 s max if you really want a really big phone I guess you would be in the market for that down next to me is just so in a in a rarefied zone with price that I it's not something to me that is in normal that's a price is no object pick me this is like the battery life is the best of them so that matters the most to me they matters the most to a lot of people you know saving a couple hundred dollars or more is not insignificant and sure the phones can be even more of well than this like this is what the five top often you top iPhone used to be 750 but I think that's that's the area I would accept for a new generation phone and I feel a lot more comfortable making the leap into this I think it's really fast it's got all the stuff that I would use jar also we wanted to plug our ongoing series online about rural broadband and also 5g please give them a read if you get a chance if you want to read more about these stories check us out on CNN I'm Ben Fox Ruben I'm Scott Stein thanks for watching all right thanks everybody for joining us for the recording of the audio podcast that we'll publish later today you can find links on how to describe Ted that down in the description below but for now we're gonna jump into the chat and take out your questions and comments in regards to the iPhone 10x RS max Nano oh come on you know the name I do not and I don't care you're just naming next year's phone model you're right okay so right out the gate let's put the the bias and negativity aside present company included let's get objective Scott Demonte says I feel like they could have knocked that price down to 600 in my opinion of course they got an objective but like what do you think about that they could have knocked the price down I think however I had a a much less positive feeling about where the iPhone 8 fit in the lineup last year compared to the iPhone 10 hmm and I do do with the iPhone 10 are compared to the 10s and 10's max so that's what I was looking at I mean this to me includes most of the stuff that I will be talking about the design of the 10 about I don't think you're missing any of the other stuff and yeah I would love to see them make a more affordable iPhone I think the se should come back and I think that you know there's a they they they fill that hole with older iPhones right now so but if I was recommending look a lot of the other phones in the landscape were at seven hundred eight hundred dollars now a lot of those phones that it's competing with right in that zone so I don't think it really is all that expensive compared to the competition anymore now also also expensive the iPhone starting price has generally been six hundred and fifty dollars for years so to suggest six hundred I think might be a little aggressive but 650 it would have been nice but I understand that due to inflation due to the fact that this is years later and they're also pushing up the price of their iPhones well past $1,000 you don't want to set a price so low that you're basically killing off the sales for your higher priced items I mean like granted if you're buying the max as you said it's a money is no object type of situation so you're buying that one regardless but you wanna you want a price it close enough to the that at least people give the 10s a real chance like they at least give it some consideration yeah there's a whole I mean there's a spectrum you look at all those phones right now and everything is like $100 $100 up up up up up up up and that's always been the case I think this is the landing point at this point with the lineup where I would say I go to this I wouldn't necessarily go lower or higher it also depends on where you want to have a phone I mean I'm also if you're not looking for a more advanced phone and you want something just functions there are many other options in the iPhone land and outside of it so before I forget so you have the 10s with you and the 10r with you yeah let's do the LCD versus the OLED comparison we did this ahead of the show so you have the same brightness set up you have the same background and let's let's just show folks that are watching this whether they can actually see the difference between these two obviously the OLED is supposed to be better and more expensive type of display so those are the two phones immediately this is just a home screen but in my review we also look at a bunch of stuff same wallpaper max brightness you can see differences between these outside of even this screen to me even though these are both rated as the same brightness I see that the OLED once I see the OLED seems brighter and that could be as much a factor of contrast or the way it's handling color but it seems a little more vivid brighter it definitely seems much more vivid when watching things like a movie like Blade Runner 2049 I was watching that you could see you know you look at a jacket and you can make out a lot more detail on the OLED in in like a dark-type scene it's like televisions where you're looking at a high-end OLED versus a capable LCD but the point is that when I use this on for everyday purposes for reading for movies games I mean I just did as much stuff on it as I could it was perfectly fine yeah I would also like to congratulate BVG who was an on-the-fly camera man just now behind the scenes so I do it well do it all he really does I mean I love I love the way the OLED looks on the phone but I do not love $1,000 phones $1000 phone and and and probably more you're gonna upgrade to more storage than the 64 so it's like suddenly er it is serious laptop land and I just think at some point starting now the phone prices have to start becoming more reasonable and to me that the 10r is an acknowledgment of that it's not the complete answer but it's the best answer for now perhaps or an iPhone obviously Apple had a year's worth of sales data to look at to say here's how our thousand dollar phones sold last year yeah and they clearly understood that if they're not gonna have like an iPhone 8 style phone to kind of have people fall back on we need something like this yeah because otherwise we're gonna lose a bunch of customers that don't want to pay $1000 so it's nice to hear that this is is a nice more value or more budget option even though it's Apple style budget so yeah well I think it's like you know you'll notice the OLED but you know it's foolish to say like if I go to somebody and I have asking anyone just like sort of like what what you think of this other display and I try to point out the differences between Olight and LCD I end up looking pretty silly because I'm pointing out these really fine-tune things that people don't really care about especially on a smaller screen right or and so I can perceive them but like what would the value be to somebody to say you're gonna spend up to get that probably that group is pretty small and you probably know who you are so then go for it that's what Apple's that's the whole proposition is to say okay this old light is here but what's nice is it's not a key feature anymore I don't think it's a key feature I think the more missing key feature is the 2x zoom which I have realized the optical zoom is something I use more often than not and also can affect things like you know if you use digital zoom to 5x versus digital zoom at 5x on the 10s the pictures come out much sharper I had an example of that in the review they come up much sharper on the 10s because it's also taking advantage of some of that optical zoom and so that matters you know like that's the stuff and also like if I'm taking a picture of somebody I don't want to have to get so close to them for portrait mode where it's uncomfortable which it kind of is with the 10r where you're you're basically you're kind of doing this basically kissing them yeah like I mean here I'll take a picture of you with it okay let's let's take a picture of you with this in portrait mode and it only recognizes people so pet shots forget about it any other objects forget about it it's trained for just faces so I mean that's okay I'm not too close to you but but I'm like not too I'm not like casually far away I mean it's a little uncomfortable right if I do this that's normal yeah but you're really far away from me right now so there was the picture of you there okay yeah I liked her I would hardly call the pretty sad right but it doesn't look like a portrait looks like a nice sad photo of Ben I look I look unhappy about something but you're the magician there with the thanking drop yes and then there's the picture of you which was I think it was like a more normal frame yeah that's that's my get that camera out of my face look Scott can't get any closer I mean Rihan and also the the face ends up a little more distorted no offense but you know what I mean like oh yeah and I look hideous you get like a weird wide-angle face which sometimes people like for a photo where you know you're kind of like a little more thinned or stretched out my nose sticks out more and type of things like that but I don't I I really like the composition on the 10s but the other thing I thought was interesting it's more hold on hold on yeah we need to get them more questions yeah there's a lot to talk about yeah for instance we had a familiar name in the chat today Steven Shanklin the iPhone 10 our have the same radio technology as the iPhone 10s and 10's max thank you good good thing to address their carriers and bands so as far as like carrier support it does not have gigabit LTE so these are two important things to think about gigabit LTE is not available in all markets but it's not 5g but it should offer faster throughput I still had 230 megabits per second on Verizon in my very suburban near New York town of Montclair so that was great it doesn't have 4x4 MIMO it has 2 by 2 MIMO now like that that technology is to allow to allow you to get a signal maybe on the edge of networks to be able to get stronger connections it's useful technology that it's the amount of antenna connections that allow you to kind of like lock onto the signal and get a little more out of it 4x4 is on the iPhone 10s and the 10s max it's two by two on the iPhone 8 8 plus slightly less but Anna probably you're not going to notice unless you're in the woods saves a thing if you've had a previous iPhone and you've been fine that's what you can expect here I didn't notice any radical improvement using the 10s in in the very spotty networks of commuting New Jersey so I can't say that like between using one or the other I noticed like a night-and-day there need to be a lot more tests with this but that's something to consider well the other thing that Shanklin may have been pointing to is also the chip itself so not the processor but the radio chip and I believe they're all Intel this year yes so Qualcomm got booted there's there's this whole lawsuit going on between Apple and Qualcomm right now and Intel is in the expensive ones it's in the cheaper one that's and I can't imagine it really feels any differently because it's all basically the same chip anyway so I mean in a week so far it doesn't seem like again as a recommendable thing to go for the upgraded 4x4 MIMO gigabit I didn't perceive anything but there's a lot more things you need to perceive in order to say like maybe this matters for you but again I think it's kind of we have it in the review it's it's it's another it's another one of the elements so it was like durability of glass but we need to do drop tests with it mmm another question yeah let's keep it moving we only got about six minutes seven minutes left sir and Roy says LCD is fine but how can you justify 720p and 20:18 good question well it is a good question um to me like anything I watched on it looked perfectly fine I mean the peaking of can you specify how 1080p videos Glee like YouTube videos or something yeah perform on it everything looked great and we I went I you know we looked at this with people who review televisions we looked at this with like other people in the office so I thought it looked perfectly fine if you want a 1080p display yes that's what the A+ is for that's what the 10s and others can offer the resolution to me never was a factor and that's all I can say about it so I think you know it's it's something that makes sense but if the distance that you're looking at from a phone it doesn't matter again did it matter to anybody when using the iPhone 8 so it works really well for me that I really tried to throw as much as much was like everyday apps games videos as I could reading web surfing it's it's I was just trying to like see the limitations of this 6.1 inch screen I didn't perceive you remember when Apple came out with a 5k display for one of their desktop computers right we had that in one of the labs I had to I'm very nearsighted I had to take my glasses off and look at it this close to be able to see a perceivable difference in like the dots and whatever yeah and that's on that's on a desktop display so there is something to be said about okay the number is bigger but are you really gonna notice so I appreciate what you said yeah I think Apple was an honest on originally with Retina display in pixel density I think I kind of lost Apple a bit when they started getting into super retina because I feel like you know the whole original idea was that how many pixels can your eye really perceive I think that's kind of the main takeaway in the end for a lot of these 11 yeah 11 pixels extra pixels for me always mattered for like phone VR that was like the most important use case for right shoes right up against her yeah gear VR with the Samsung phone yeah all right more question moving along under the five-minute mark let's talk camera is the zoom on the 10 are good 10s zoomed photos are better than the pixels and I got a cut-off I would like to see a comparison of the zoom on the 10r and the pixel Oh between those two that would be good you know looking at it and the pixel has in a to maximize digital zoom that's superior so we're gonna do a lot of camera comparisons with that but you know Google is doing more interesting things computationally with what it can do with a single lens Apple is just beginning and I think there's a lot of work to do with that digital zoom is just like it was before so if you had an iPhone 8a plus it's the same thing which is that I kind of would prefer not using it if I have to I would go to 2x digital zoom and it's serviceable sharing in a photo 5x zoom is not at all serviceable 5x is basically like a grainy man's grainy and not nice but like a 2x zoom you could share that in a tweet now like which you know for things you want to frame out a wall you shouldn't do any digital zoom but that's why not having the optical is is kind of a little bit of a loss there but it ends up being on an everyday basis not necessarily a big thing for everyone but it's the biggest key difference on this phone would you say that that difference is enough to justify upgrading from the 10 to the 10 are to the if you take the photos it really depends on the customer yeah the 10 honest if you really if that's something that matters a lot to you yeah and it's worth $200 plus then then yeah like if you really want to take photos and you have a reason to have that off to you know like an increased zoom but I think correct me if I'm wrong here but like according to your review it's very hard to justify that increased price for most customers a lot of customers I think you're already kind of like there's a lot of nickel and diming on on like price increases and things like that like steal watches and other things so I feel like you know getting to like the basics of what the phone needs is a nice thing if you're a pro phone a pro phone person a pro photographer person who uses a phone well those people they're very few of them but they're very not according to them yeah but you know I think about people who are shooting movies on phones who were doing like you know sports and other things where they're using their phone is their main thing or you're you're someone who's youtubing or doing all sorts of stuff stuff that you're really using that phone and in a professional way then yeah the upgrades gonna matter and that won't that cost won't be a matter a factor for you because because you're because your videos are gonna work much much more professional people buy thousands of dollars of camera equipment so I mean yeah so an extra two hundred fifty dollars whatever forget it like just get the nicer camera because the tennis is a step up with that both and also in display so if you're looking to like have the most perfect representation of something if you need to view something edit it etc yeah go for that bat so that display is for but I'm just saying a lot of people it's like the MacBook Pro is a lot of people are paying up for tech that they're probably not using and that what's much more important for me is performance basic camera quality in the in the isp and all that and battery life mm-hmm so attending those versus those others but yeah I would say you get you get the 10s or the 10s max all right we are down to the wire it's time to say goodbye but before we do that closing thoughts storm King says what we're all thinking these phones seem like a pit stop until next year a big wait and see situation mmm no comment I feel like we've been living in that era for some time now no 10 years you know they are pitstop in some way I think we're getting to the point with phones that short of a folding phone or some you know that type of technology which again if Apple does that it might be much later than other companies introduced so that wouldn't be next year but Samsung may do it Samsung made samsung often yeah will lead the pack with that but I'm saying if you're an iPhone person waiting for a new design Apple just did the 10 and I think they're gonna be sit and tight on that design that's what they do they sit tight on a design for a while so I think next year you're gonna be looking at maybe some other design iteration but I wouldn't expect anything really dramatic with it I think this is kind of this is the form yes and if they aren't iterative but that's kind of what you get each very slowly iterative yeah yeah they do take their time with things and going back to the commenter that said I'd prefer this closer to $600 because if you hold your breath until next year maybe the 10r will still be available and they'll cut the price by a hundred bucks because that is yeah you know how they do pricing I don't know if you're really willing to wait a year but that is an idea yeah to be clear if you have another phone you're fine waiting right now and that's that more often is the case I think these phones get to cook to cost like as much as laptops you should be waiting a bunch of years maybe you shouldn't upgrade every two years right I think it's gain the point you should wait a number of years it's not a one year or two year upgrade so if you have an iPhone 8 yes they put I mean if you have an upgrade path to somebody's offering your way to upgrade this is how you should take note of but I'm thinking this is like a years old thing where you've been eyeing an upgrade for a while and you're thinking about landing on an iPhone I think this is a good one to land on yeah good point okay out of time we are living in the era of premium phones from the pixel to the 10s to 10's max to the 10r to 10 P to 10 M I'm cooked so final thought we see a lot of action going on with the 10 R we see a great camera but can the 10 rcy kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch yes sure of course it can what do you think you're paying for after all this comes with sugar sugar crispy coating I do like the colors though so colors are cool this one however is is white yeah there are more exciting colors than that out there okay let's let's let's call it a day the 359 is available on iTunes tune in feedburner stitcher google play music google podcast the amazon echo and of course sanic calm scott thank you so much for coming on always a pleasure and thanks everybody for your questions we'll see you again tomorrow bye bye you