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good morning or afternoon depending on where you are in the planet Earth my name is Steven Meacham and this is the Apple byte extra crunchy podcast with your host mr. Brian Tong hey you better not forget about the name of the show dude I know you're like pulling a lot of levers and switches but you cannot forget the name of the show did I say I said it you did it you're like it's the in-between one of the buttons I was about to press yes it's you anyways everybody welcome to the show it is episode 90 foe 9 fo 9 foe it's the Apple byte extra crunchy this is our kind of complementary piece to the Apple byte video podcast it's an extension of everything new news happens which it has with the latest iPhone leaks so this is the show where we talk about everything and you guys and gals can all be a part of it the number to call I can't remember I have to look at all the time one one eight hundred six one six two six three that is how you call into the show we missed your name where you're from and then just get right to it your questions your comments your thoughts keep it under a minute I think we have like 10 phone calls and we couldn't use a lot of them that are just too long we had a lot of people just talking and talking and just jabbering and jabbering which Jabbar is okay can be cathartic but if you're also gonna do a product review we're probably not gonna oh we had a full on product review appreciate don't get me wrong yeah all right so you guys and gals know the number that's it we're also streaming live on live stream periscope and YouTube well we do this or you can listen to us as a podcast like a lot of you all are just after the fact or on your commute or even I think someone called this time he was like showering while he's listening in the shower yeah I'm not happy about that I think that's sexy thank you whoa all right sexy you know it's been kind of a lull with the Apple news lately but this week was a treasure trove every day it got deeper and deeper with more revelations about what we can expect from the iPhone 8 but let me just kind of set the stage up because a lot of people know what it roughly is looks like which is confirmed by you know the renders and a little icon but this is let me tell you how this whole story started we started so basically apple accidentally and this was an accident released the firmware for the home pod over the week and I think it was on Saturday somewhere around Saturday and I know it's always been a week now the key thing about this is Apple has already released developer versions of iOS 11 the home pod runs on iOS so it's using the same operating system the key thing here though is that the home pod firmware that was revealed by Apple again the home pod is expected to come out sometime in December we don't know exactly when but the version of the firmware that came with the home pod for iOS was iOS 11 point 0.2 that's two full versions ahead of what has been released publicly and a lot of people like oh this is not an accident they did this on purpose I can guarantee you this was not done on purpose like to me there is no neat Apple you know the hype is already an all-time high some people are saying oh they released they leaked this accidentally because of their earnings were coming out their earnings results which they did very well we'll talk about them later were a result of the growth from last quarter it had nothing to do with these leaks and so we're gonna jump into all of these leaks right now but I think this is a this was straight-up an accident we know that Apple has talked about doubling down on secrecy for years with Tim Cook and I just find it really funny that the actual company that has given us the most concrete details about the iPhone eight to date is yours truly Apple you know I'm gonna play conspiracy theorist here for a second and maybe they did maybe this wasn't like wasn't an accident when that dude got but he like left an iPhone in the bar or something that was an accident that was a stunt that was how about this let's that's also in context back in those days this was the I think it was the iPhone 4 yeah that was left on a bar in a bar right it's like guy walks into a bar loses the iPhone 4 right sounds like a stupid joke but at that time we didn't really know much about it Apple was Steve Jobs wrote a letter directly to was it his motor Engadget I feel like it was in dad yeah can you feel it was gadget that was able to make contact with a person who was like this isn't a normal iPhone this is before the days where people were everyday we hear a leak about the iPhone now this is just the fact or a rumor or something back then it wasn't like this and so it was a big deal Steve Jobs reached out to them to try and recover the phone they didn't want to do it so you knew that if Steve Jobs directly reaches out to you to get that phone back they didn't do that on purpose yeah he set the Apple police to their house - yeah yes yes it was a big big deal so this is this is like they released some code or something yeah and so what's interesting is when I say oh it was 11-point 0.2 which is two versions ahead of what's out there a lot of times when Apple releases a firmware developer beta they scrub it so that there's no references of you know what's coming in the future this was not the case so let's just jump into all the good stuff that was in here the number one thing was an icon based on what the new iPhone is expected to look like it was this blue to outline it pretty much verifies a variety of things one thing and beat him in the first article you can scroll down and it's in that first article it verifies that there will be no actual physical touch ID button on the front glass panel first again this is we've known these in rumors but this is an actual confirmation from Apple so it removes that the notch on the top where the sensors are for the actual camera infrared sensors though that there is a notch there that everyone has talked about that from the start and from the rumors that I've seen I was always like man that's that's just bunk that just looks ugly to me so those those are two of kind of really the big things that are immediately confirmed by this leak now other things happen you got to give props out first of all developers Stephen Chow Smith there was another guy jail herm Rambo they dug into the code these are the reason why we know all this is because these two guys were really the first ones that realized okay this doesn't this is not a firmware we've seen before they dug in the code they searched for different terms like the word face they searched for everything you could to kind of like try and connect the dots and they've really given us a lot of information one of the big things is that in the biometric kit right we know Apple kind of names a lot of their utilities for developers like their sirikit there's homekit biometric kit is typically where things like touch ID is stored well guess what there is a new term or what a method that's gonna be used in the biometric kit biometric kit called face detect what does that tell us we've heard all these rumors about how Apple without the home button and without everyone thinks that they're not gonna actually be able to even do the whole touch ID through the screen sensor this time around face detect pretty much is everywhere in the biometric kit which indicates to us at least in some way shape or form that were that this new iPhone will have some level of facial recognition we don't know exactly if there will be ice-skate iris scanning in combination with that that was some of the rumors that were thrown out there and stories that were reported by Bloomberg and others but at the very least this does confirm that is going to be some kind of facial recognition implemented into unlocking your phone and yes again no touch ID button and then that lip on the top so that I mean that those are three huge concrete facts that you can't deny and no they would not have leaked this on purpose they just wouldn't I'm already having stress over like when I'm snowboarding or something how am I gonna unlock my phone to take a picture wearing sunglasses there's so many pictures about this face detect you know like how many how is this gonna work you know I'm curious yeah and what about okay what about touch ID with your with your glove and your finger like did you have gloves like I mean well you could take you know take off the glove it's like I do have a hard I do have a solution for you that we're gonna talk about more of these so every day there's been new information and I love when I put out the Apple bite video they're like oh you're a week late I'm like dude it's a weekly show sorry sorry but every day new stuff has come out so we're gonna talk about kind of some of the latest stuff that has just dropped within the past 24 hours one of them being is that the iPhone 8 according to these again people digging into the firmware that was leaked according to I helped BR a Brazilian site the firmware suggest that the iPhone 8 may record 4k video at 60 frames per second with both the front camera and the rear cameras that would actually be a first because on the iPhone 7 and 7 plus it's able to capture 4k video at 30 frames per second this is saying that it'll capture 4k video at 60 frames per second not only on the rear camera but the front camera as well we know that right now in the 7 the front camera is only a 1080p camera as well so you're talking about better FaceTime quality you're talking about better you know selfie videos we know how important that is that's gonna be a big file man that's that's a lot of information that's pretty awesome on both sides too that's that's what I'm saying yeah that is that's a great news actually so um that's all that's always always good news um another thing that was really interesting that was just recently released as within the past 24 hours the home pod firmware also shows kind of a new smart camera feature think of it as like a system for auto detecting different things and we'll talk about why this is important but first of all according to the firmware a smart camera feature that has been found again suggests that the camera app is gonna actually be able to detect different types of things like scenes or photo conditions anything from pets to children some of the scenes that were referenced in the files include like fireworks you know how hard it is to take pictures of fireworks oh yeah alerts blurry July 4 fireworks so things like that's gonna detect your home pod will detect fireworks outside your home pod your your your iPhone camera these were found capsule files yeah so all this all this treasure trove of data was found from a home pod firmware release but these are all related to the iPhone so no no no sketchy camera in this in the whole pod yet but things that it can identify that were listed include things from fireworks foilage pets a bright stage sports sky snow these are things that if you remember even way back to the day on your like Canon s 1000 point and shoot cameras you'd have kind of some of these modes that were selectable on your cameras you remember that yeah different yeah you still have some really old school cameras that have that like here's a flower take a picture of flower mountain for macro right but like honestly most of those scenes you I would never switch it I just keep it on auto back that's literally what we do with our phones today so this is just talking about some of the different things that this smart camera functionality will have in addition to that another kind of list shows confidence metrics and it hits on the ability of maybe this smart camera feature to be confident in what it's looking at so it had you know it's going to have different identifiers or image recognition metrics that it looks for when it sees a season sees an object that it wants to take a picture of so there's things like pet confidence baby confidence QR code confidence document confidence these are all built into this smart camera feature to be able to detect these different things so that's that's someone kind of the cool stuff that we can expect to see in the camera and we know that it's always gonna come down to the image quality of the camera I mean phones are our cameras for most of us unless you you love that DSLR action and we still aren't at the point where we're gonna get there but I thought what was really interesting about the ability to recognize these things is we know about the bokeh effect on the iPhone 7 plus where it blurs out the background and it was kind of Apple was kind of first testing out I think the fact that this smart camera lists a lot of different things or items or seams whether it's a baby or a pet or things of that nature would probably relate to that bokeh effect to be even more accurate and better I like pulling things out Apple never officially said it was for like objects or for animals they did say was for people and people tried taking pictures of different things that it did work a good amount of the time but for it to actually maybe get even better recognition to separate those objects from the background and give us a better you know a field of death I think that's gonna that's gonna be really cool yeah cuz things can get kind of camouflaging your house I bet yeah like that maybe we'll see we'll see if we'll see we can determine if this shirt is a plant or not my palm trees come on let's just jump into more stuff again this was a treasure trove of things that came out from this firm where the other thing is kind of some smaller details about the iPhone I've always been complaining about that notch that we saw at the top of the camera the newest firmware and again Steven Troutman just digging deep into it he found out a few new details one of them is that he said according this tweet and this for what it's worth I've seen nothing to suggest an ultrasound under the display touch ID here so he believes that it looks like not this year we will not see touch ID integrated into the actual display he says quash that one so at least based on the firmware he has for eleven point 0.2 there is no indication that the actual screen will be able to detect your fingerprint we know that Samsung had issues doing that that was their goal for the s8 they were unable to do it people were kind of skeptical that Apple would be able to get it done in time and we saw a lot of those different renders of maybe a fingerprint scanner on the back which obviously had to be one of Apple's options people are like no I don't want that I'm like if it works it works but there is no indication of anything of a touch ID integrated in the screen he also found in here some interesting things related to the status bar where that sensor sticks out the new status bar seems to me more complex and powerful in design it might be even interactive and in some related strings Geoffrey gozman had found that the actual status bar has some kind of level of a a.split system so or split options for the UI of the SAS bar and that actually makes complete sense because it means that we could see you know Wi-Fi or your battery cell signal or your Bluetooth signal on the sides of that actual notch on the top what's the magic of that oh LED screens give you true deep blacks if they can match the black of that top little notch to the black of the screen it will pretty much look like a seamless bar across the top which really come on everyone believes and wants them to do that so we got a split status bar as well and then another thing is um tapped awake is a feature that we've seen on Windows Lumia phones that is believed to be coming to this iPhone so remember how your time out well what if I'm skiing and then some like I'm one of my gloves what am I supposed to do like that fine it won't have actual touch ID to share finger but a tap to wake and then the fact that you're looking at it with your face might we'll see how fast that actually works but hopefully it's gonna I mean right now if a touch ID is so fast I don't know if they're gonna be able to beat the speed of touch ID and I think if they don't I think people are gonna be a little annoyed by that you know yeah you have to be able to get to your phone quickly in order to take pictures and do everything you want to do but um yeah I just you know we will see when it comes out but it sounds like it might we have to we might need to learn a new behavior how to unlock our phone which I'm sure will be a big headache for a lot of people yeah the thing is that if you weigh the benefits of and depending on the speed of the face unlock if it's not as fast but fast enough I think most people are like I'm glad I have an even bigger screen that's an OLED screen I think people might overlook it to a certain degree they'll be annoyed at first I think getting a larger OLED screen might outweigh that but we'll see again it comes down to speed on the last part of this of digging into all of this and I know there's so much stuff um in regards to the home button Steven Sean Smith also found references where the virtual home button right there's no physical one but there will be some sort of a virtual one seems to be called the home indicator so it looks like the OS really is not gonna hide this it could be like a space or a virtual space around the home button he even references that there could be things like full screen apps and videos that you could plan that lower part but it'll be more interactive so we'll see about that I think that's really interesting because it leads to kind of this last part before we jump onto other news and again so much iPhone stuff that the next iPhone could even be sharper than Apple's Retina display away yeah that would be pretty awesome man so what they found in the code is that according to guess who the man of the week Stephen Crown Smith really I mean we should call this well he's digging deep into the developer code he's just searching for terms and just hunting like we should call this the Stephen Straus Steve's trounce MIT extra crunchy this is his show according to him there's also references in the code for an upcoming iPhone with a functional resolution of 11 25 by 24 36 and why why is that why is that a big deal right it's hard to really figure out what that means but um in this article by the birds they kind of show what was rumored a while ago Ming Chi quo popular rumor slash news Apple News guy had basically put out this idea that the top area there it will be a 5.8 inch OLED display and we have a picture up here for those of you watching it will have a 5.8 inch OLED display but there'll be an area that is dedicated for the screen and an area that is dedicated for this virtual home button obviously if you're watching video it'll fill up the entire screen but he reported months ago that that upper area that would be about five point one five inches would make up this 24 36 by 1125 resolution again the same resolution that was just found in the developer code now why is that crazy is because the current Apple Retina display has a pixel per inch density of 326 pixels per inch which is actually if you compare that across the industry is really low it's actually pretty weak compared to what Samsung is putting out compared to what Google is putting out compared to pretty much what everyone is putting out but then this new OLED display with this higher pixel density would bring it up to roughly 521 pixels per inch so you're getting extremely higher quality higher resolution display with the iPhone 8 I think that's gonna make a difference because people ask oh what's gonna be the difference between the iPhone 7 in the seven plus or sorry that 7s and 7s plus whatever they end up calling kind of the standard phones about people will buy it's gonna be discreet it's gonna be discreet yeah so um yeah it's getting closer to 4k on the screen too which is great it's nice it's nice we're getting a lot closer like Apple is getting closer all right I mean look the the Galaxy s8 phones resolution is 29 60 by 1440 like it's cut it's it's kind of beast yeah just in case you didn't know if you ever pick it up you don't even you only have to know numbers just pick up the Samsung Galaxy s8 and look at it and you're gonna be like damn my phone doesn't look anything like this right now I'm just keeping it real don't get don't don't don't shoot the messenger all right should we um should we take a little breather to stay a little word from our amazing sponsor go for it all right check this out the single router Wi-Fi model just doesn't work for our increasingly high bandwidth world what you need is a distributed system called Eero now for those of you that don't know arrow was really one of the first kind of these mesh networks that came out so whatever your Wi-Fi needs our arrow has the power to seamlessly blanket your home fast any other combination now simply set it on a flat surface plug 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keeping up and being honest it's alright alright just just sleep I mean I'll just talk about you sleep I'll push the button okay check this out um the funny thing about this let's just get out too quick iPhone stories related to this all this iPhone treasure trove of stuff Samsung OLED production lines dedicated to iPhones are ramping up to full capacity what does that mean right now well basically according to reports Samsung will be ramping up their own production increasing their output by 700 percent its iphone time baby yes iPhone time this is a numbers record it reported by et News so get ready for that that's probably a good indicator that a new iPhone is coming very soon I'm still thinking a lot of people like is it gonna be delayed or not I still expect us to at least get announcement in September sometime I don't know after the Apple earpods debacle and all that stuff I really think they're gonna they're gonna try really hard to get everything on time so the 7s e issues remember that rose gold one that no one could get like they've had years and years of like little misstep so I feel like they're gonna really like this is their tenth anniversary - this is the big but this is their badass I mean there's a lot of demand for this yeah so I feel like they're gonna really be on point this time get on point also on another iPhone related story could talk about the SE Apple may give the iPhone se a speed boost early next year that is according to rumor reports over an Asian newspaper outlet reported that we could see that an a nine ship being changed out for in a 10 ship that the iPhone 7 uses um we might expect to see this sometime early next year okay um let's talk about the home pod because it was actually the home pods firmware that revealed all these secrets but there are a couple kind of cool things coming from that we can find out about the home pod from the firmware the first thing is that the LED screen on top the kind of that glowy thing that Apple shows off really the only screen on the home pod that kind of has this cool moody colors based on digging into the firmware it's believed that the LED on the home isn't just like a single big LED it's an actual LED matrix when I say matrix thing right an array of multiple LEDs that have formed that top screen so what could be an option is for the home pod to display things like temperature text weather icons on that small LED screen but the thing that I thought about right away is like okay that's cool it has a screen but you have to be standing directly on top of it looking down to see it you have to be like this to look at the home pod screen I there's gonna be a lot of people doing that but it's fun it's like a fun maybe they can make a light show out of it in the future who knows ya knows right so dance party and then this other cool thing about the home pod dug deep by Avery Minotti the beach there's like a youtube link that you can jump into but there's some unreleased home pod UI sounds things that we've never heard on to any Apple device so this first sound is a alarm I'm going if I hear this I'm going right back to sleep that's gonna be a slight alarm it's a kind of pleasant alarm yeah so I'm going right this ain't waking me up man I'm sorry okay next one lighthouse what about this I'm gonna feel like that sounds like yeah the lighthouse feels like I'm in a sub in North Korea's shots fired so there's some setup number I think very gentle I'm sorry well hey based on a home pod technologist spacially figure out your house layout is it supposed to optimize that sounds like that was the one that I gets me all groovy and everything that's my favorite so anyways there you go just a little bit of the home pod sounds that were revealed UI sounds that revealed in there okay let's also get to other big news normally it's like the biggest news of the week would have been Apple or earnings if Apple didn't freak and accidentally leaked out that firmware but here we go Apple had a killer killer recorder this is their third fiscal quarter for 2017 it's really the calendar year it's the second quarter but just remember that fiscal quarters start whatever it is the October November December is technically q1 for the fiscal quarter so let's kind of break down what Apple did in the calendar year sorry calendar quarter - but fiscal quarter three all right so they had a revenue of forty five point four billion dollars net quarterly profit of eight point seven billion dollars those are all good numbers larger than the year before but here's where always the proof this is putting look at how their products laid out slight edges but everything was up across the board Apple's told 41 million phones during this quarter compared to last year which was at forty point four they sold four point two nine million Macs from 4.25 the year before and then iPad sales iPad sales which have been declining and have not been positive for the past thirteen quarters so think about that three plus years we have not seen positive gains in the I this this quarter the iPad family rose sold 11.40 for two million units compared to nine point nine five million last year so iPad sales jumped up so they figured something out then I pad sales jumped up 15 percent year-over-year they figure something out it's called the iPad pro baby they figured out how to market it they figured out how to sell it so good foot acts it's funny because um it actually we'll talk about in a second the iPad pro was part about it really came down to them having a lower cost I should just talk about now that it really came down to them having a lower cost iPad because although iPad sales units grew 15% their actual profits grew two percent which beams that they were selling a lot of low-cost iPads which is which is fine it's just that you would have expected a higher profit increase than 2% if they're really selling you know a more expensive iPad so I think that 9.7 inch that they released a little while ago that was kind of a more budget-friendly one helped them and then obviously I mean I'm I'm the biggest the iPad pro is my favorite apple product of the year so far nice like I love that thing it's freaking badass so Apple did great across the board they're also kind of some other details from the earnings report we talked already about the iPad not entirely driven really by the I've had pro but more about the nine point seven inch iPad also Apple watch Apple said that the units of the Apple watch jumped up fifty percent compared to last year it's the number one selling SmartWatch across all brands in the world but they still chose not to reveal their sales units of the Apple watch so like that's no curious to me like there all this time they still refuse to tell us how many Apple watches they've sold and I think the number is just not that great now we have some supporting data here a recent report from Strategy Analytics revealed how many Apple watches has have been shipped this is not sold but shipped since launching in 2015 according to their numbers Apple has suppressed surpassed shipping a total of thirty million Apple watches in total that doesn't mean that's how many they've sold but that's how many they've shipped so obviously there's still some on shelves I don't it's it's their largest jump they said from at least this quarter they shipped 2.8 million Apple watch units versus 1.8 last year in the same quarter so they are shipping out more I see more and more in the wild but I just don't know how many I can't get a grasp on how many people actually have bought an Apple watch it may be they're just waiting for you know a a keynote address or something when they're you say we've sold 50 million Apple watches like they're just waiting for like one big square number but they can brag about yeah I mean I think it's a good point but even just telling us that they've sold 25 million in two years it's still pretty good I mean it's 30 million shipped that's that's pretty that's a lot shipped but again I imagine how many were bought in stores like in person and you know other ways that's that's pretty huge other earnings numbers Apple services that makes up like Apple pay Apple music iCloud things like that and yes they do get a little percentage off of every transaction from Apple pay Apple services revenue for this year was 7.3 billion dollars why is that a big deal Apple services division itself is now the size of a fortune 100 company that's crazy they have somewhere around roughly 1.5 million subscribers paying subscribers to Apple music the last time I think that's the last time I heard actual paid subscribers I know they have more users but paid subscribers around 1.5 million from what I recall just off the top of my head so that business side of theirs is growing air pods Tim Cook address that he said that they're increasing their ear pods production capacity but still are unable to meet the man still the wait time on the site is like six weeks like still when I see people wearing them I'm getting more and more jealous like I think I need a pair well I'll tell you something I'm gonna keep it real with y'all I bought a pair for my lady I bought a pair for Shauna she wearing like all the time like when you're home not all the time but I think as a woman because in general I'm not gonna make a broad statement in general girls have long enough hair that it can kind of cover it it actually doesn't look that bad for them right you're always gonna see you're always gonna see the d-bag with them but guess what who if you don't it there's again I said they're very very very good like I think they're really good product they're not like high tier great but they're just there they make a few tweaks like that I've talked about there'll be a really badass product yeah but they're really really good I got some like I want a contest and I got some wireless earbuds but they're not they're not Apple earpods or whatever and they hurt my ears so much man and I start like pining for the you know the Apple earbuds because they just hurt my ears so much and I'm like if I just had the Apple earpods my everything would be solved here's the other thing like as a guy who loves you know who's historically bought some like the first versions of products like I have the first iPod I have the first g4 tubes still in my possession I have the first Mac McIntosh to se I have this is not bragging I'm just talking about like why it was important for me I have the g4 cube like I have a g4 cube at home right Wow yeah it's one of the dopest designs ever it was probably one of the it was like way ahead of its time it was too funky it was too expensive it was hard to service back in the day but I thought that was like to me that epitomize kind of like Steve Jobs thinking of like let's do something crazy let's put it out there it's gonna be a good product it may not be the greatest but it's gonna be like damn my mind just got blown by the form factor of that machine I think it's beautiful right and so I have one it's got as a historian and so to have a pair of the first Apple earpods and see what they look like moving on forward I think it's kind of cool just to have totally totally I wish I don't have my first iPhone just to like oh I saw these I hope I still have my first I felt - and when I see that I'm like this is amazing like this is amazing so you know just being just being like a nerd like that it's good I mean I'm wondering like for people that are watching like what do you guys have any of your original products still and if you do just throw them out there I'm just curious what they say because it's like there's there's kind of a little you know people that are watching the show that listen to Apple byte stuff there's a there's a fanboy nostalgia although yeah we can be critical about them because we should there's a lot of people right that that have that felt like that nostalgia built inside only imagine you like held something like you know you haven't seen something like that for 10 or 15 years and someone hands it to you you're just there's gonna be a thrill Factory and I'd be like whoa look at this thing it's crazy like this is where it started that's kind of a deal Safran on a the periscope like iPhone 3G mine blew up and like the battery exploded inside my really yes with a camera with a video camera okay we have a night to watch this all flossin original iPhone 3G four or five so he keeps all his phone's basically that's cool that's cool that's pretty sick that's fun it's like the museum the museum so you can actually I mean go to ebay you can find some cool stuff I have the original iPod my own personal one but I think on eBay you can find one there's some that are like in the original box like that you know do you got people that buy them and keep them sealed they're like around I think 600 to thousand bucks in the original packaging still sealed that's awesome Apple Apple Asif II I in our YouTube chat has an iPod shuffle first-gen it was the white it was like the white looked like it a pregnancy testing the first iPad iPad shop I thought it had like a lanyard and it it had you know the physical controls it looked like a pregnancy test oh yeah yeah so it's totally long yeah that's cool plus means a boy - means girl I don't know pretty cool okay I'm also another final comment from the earnings report Tim Cook did talk about how the apples kind of foray into autonomous vehicles and how that was doing because we know that that was kind of like a focus focused by Apple so he had some really interesting comments to say about it give me a moment to just pull this up because I'm gonna get to his quote he said Tim Cook in terms of autonomous systems what we've said is that we are very focused on autonomous systems from a core technology point of view we do have a large project going and we're making a big investment in this from our point of view he went on to call it the mother of all AI projects and he added that autonomous systems can be used in a variety of ways a vehicle is one but there are many different areas of it and I don't want to go any further with that so they're like totally thinking of like an out-of-the-box way to use autonomous vehicles then huh or just an autonomous system period I'm just curious like I don't know it got me thinking I was like where are you going what are you going with this Timmy did you hear about those AI bots that learned that taught themselves their own language and they were like oh my gosh that scared the crap out of that is freaky and then they shut it down right so like like who'd use Facebook yeah yeah it was Facebook and they learned their own they learn their own language they're communicating like behind the backs of the developers and stuff so when I'm hearing Apple talk about autonomous vehicles doing other things I'm like huh could that be well I'm glad you brought that up because this is kind of a cool tangent we can touch on briefly I know it's the Apple bite but really what the root of this was is Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg we're kind of getting and getting into it you know arguing through communicating through proxy of the internet and Eli must have saying you got to be careful about this stuff like this is serious stuff and Mark Zuckerberg is like oh come on you're making this a big deal why are you raining on our parade why you'd be negative about AI and you know almost like I'm not there's just concerns that you have to be aware of and what you just talked about Beach is that Facebook has like their chat box that they're trying to teach how to you know basically an AI to talk to us as humans and they found it wasn't even in any it wasn't even in English these chatbots were actually communicating to themselves yeah with a language of their own that like a rule but don't big laugh something yeah yeah that the developers have never seen and they immediately shut it down like because they were like holy crap yeah that's how quick that these robots can figure stuff out and you know a another thing that's worth mentioning is like this is happening on Twitter right now like there's tons of robots on Twitter and I bet you right now there's probably a million people arguing with artificial intelligent robots on Twitter right now yeah I think did I already say this in the show last week maybe but it's kind of the same thing like you know they're these things are on Twitter and they leave stupid comments or whatever and then people will leave a comment back to them to argue but nine times out of ten it's probably a bot so it's just very interesting what's happening in our world right now you know well I'm gonna tell you some of the people that I interact on Twitter um they're really smart BOTS based on the language they've been using with me yeah big important words they big four-letter word big real complex ones too well ma'am we're gonna we're gonna meet Apple AI pretty soon that's gonna be just as scary all right two more quick stories we're having a very meaty podcast so I hope that you're all still rolling with us and enjoying this new emojis are coming out in 2018 it is always a lead story in most cases but not this week yeah basically the Unicode consortium which proposes the new emojis that will be coming out sometime in 2018 include because we all need this a sad face pooh pooh OOP routing pile of poo is proposed for 2008 see like come on so what I had a good poop I had a bad poop like this is bad like why do we express in on a pile of dung you know there were some guys in a meeting and they probably had a whiteboard and they're like they're drew the poop on the whiteboard we're like we need a sad one is there a brainstorming session this is it other things include extinguisher a test-tube even different people events this needs of different hairstyles a party face a cold face I like the I like the love heart face I mean people are gonna be using that tons of times when they're trying to cupcake their boo on on instant messaging and stuff like that I do they like what the hearts in the eyes that's what I do I know you totally do that I do I do a lot of the eggplant eggplant squirts that's like that's one of our signature things I'm showing plant squirt squirt squirt kids don't don't all right I like to do with the shades I wide trying to keep it cool trend is that when how do you what in what context you use the dude with the shades like I don't know just simple I'm like you know getting back to someone and just being like okay cool I just put the deal with the shades you didn't respond to my eggplant splash splash splash last night really disappointed seriously you should have just dim in the cool face back right back thinking about you okay last story the show before we get to the awesome phone calls this one is great thieves stole five hundred ninety thousand dollars worth in iPhones from a moving truck this is like straight out of fast and furious about a week ago according to you know reports from the Netherlands five Romanian men average age 33 to 43 and there's even like a little video clip in there that you can kind of the style that's not from the actual heist but it's a way that they have this is actually a known method I'm stealing from cars so basically they put the car behind the big van or the big truck with the goods and they pretty much right up to it and a guy will the guy will climb on top of it like oh yeah totally so they believe this gang is responsible for up to 17 similar highway heists this is just insane but they were able to throw up to a car I don't I don't know cut out of the top of it or they open the back doors but either way they stole five hundred ninety thousand dollars worth of iPhones that's a good chunk of change man that's a and you can sell that stuff there's overseas on eBay easily yeah you wonder how do you got an iPhone for 200 bucks sealed and packaged Jack that's that's why the Buy It Now button worked some dudes were like chasing a truck on a freeway it's amazing all right so we get so we get to our lovely calls just reminder for those of you that are watching to be a part of the show Apple byte nation you can call us at 1-800-695-1418 to the iPad just curious what your thoughts are on that thanks a lot enjoy the show you know I could be wrong but and I was first you know I think if they they should have put if they were able to get the tech right and the biggest issue was that putting 3d touch on a screen that large was the obstacle but as I've used the iPad more and specifically with iOS 11 the thing is that I always wanted the iPad to do more but iOS 11 damn like the iPad does more and I don't even actually think about 3d touch on it and I just think if it's gonna cost them so much to do that they should just forget about it on the iPad and then really the next evolution of the iPad screen will be when and if they go to OLED on it which will be a while because it's really expensive but my gut tells me that they aren't gonna do it in the iPad and they've kind of just said oh we're gonna it is easier to hold in one hand and just push down with your thumb because that's really how you use your iPhone I could be wrong but I don't think I'm gonna put in the eye I don't think they have plans to integrate it in the iPad and that was one of the reasons why I was also frustrated out 3d touch cuz it's not a standardized function across all their touch devices which it should be but something tells me if they haven't done it by now and they're working more on the true tone screen over touch ID or sorry over 3d touch we won't see in the iPad that's my gut all right TriCaster kind of crashed on me there for a second so are we operating for yeah I think we're okay now just when I'm gone so I caster I know we need a new one up in here I do a freaking professional show here okay all right semi-pro semi-pro original xcall hey what's up Tongan Beach this is Adam from Utah recently moved here I'm loving it in Utah but listening to the last episode while I was in the shower and I was getting really weird about all these people complaining about the price of the iPhone 8 I think it's gonna be called the iPhone X but whatever you want to want to go with on that here's the deal there's two reasons why the pricing is not gonna affect the sales of the iPhone eight one we live in an era now where it's payment plan everything whether you go for the iPhone 8 upgrade program through Apple or you do it through the carrier people are already paint making payments they don't ultimately most people don't care what the actual price is there's gonna care about how much it is per month and that'll be you know 5 10 bucks more a month and we gonna blink an eye at that all right what do you think about that Brian yeah I mean I think he's right on the money we've said it before that when you break down a payment plans you don't you know I I actually wonder how many people actually realize how much the phone they the last phone they bought actually cost like that's that's a good point yeah the the payment plants are good but the problem is in the in the long run you're paying even a lot more for the phone you know yes sir so that is something to take into consideration the interest rate yeah so you know I think that it's yes all to that so I don't think it's gonna stop people from buying it I really don't but you know the 7s the 7s and 7s plus if that's what it's called I think there's still gonna be plenty people that buy that the the crazy thing about the earnings is that remember Apple was complaining earlier in the year that all these rumors were slowing down the sales and Apple although slightly they were and everyone still has an iPhone Apple was actually positive and up on sales with the iPhone before compared to last year so this is before the iPhone 8 comes out dude it's gonna be big it's gonna be gangbusters for sure it's gonna be big yeah all right next call number three here we go hey guys this is Garrett here from Dallas Texas I just had a quick question for y'all for the iPhone 7s what do you all think the features that Apple is going to bring to the 7s and the 7s plus there's been a lot of talk about the iphone 8 and what's going to come to that but people are still gonna buy the cheaper option so nobody's really talking about you know what features are going to come to that the lower-end models I guess you could say just wanted to hear y'all thoughts oh also the other question I had was what do y'all think of Apple having a lot of issues getting the iPhone 8 into production I mean Samsung whatever they came out with the Galaxy s8 if we didn't really hear this many problems coming from them whenever they had to get the phone into production so I just wanted to hear your thoughts on that thanks love the show so let me I guess I will address first about the getting the iPhone in production I mean we just kind of talked about earlier story of how yeah Samsung is ramping up and it's gonna be pretty good to go so I don't I don't I don't really see any major issues that I think part of it is the only reason we hear about that stuff all the time is cuz the rumor mills are so all up in it right like rumor mills they could hear someone's story one week we're behind and in the next week they'd be like oh we're back on track cuz that's just how production lines change it's it's not like just cuz one thing happens doesn't mean it don't in many cases you know when you build a product it doesn't mean everything's gonna stay delayed for that whole time you can sometimes pickup time and other spots as well in the process so that's the only reason why we hear a lot about that what was the other part of the question I forget the second half of it actually I think I think what we talked about earlier look I think the big difference is going to be the screen above everything else but as I'm as time has gone on look we haven't even really seen many leaks or rumors about the iPhone quote-unquote 7s I think it'd be interesting if what if Apple just kept the 7 as is and really the 8 became the flagship and if you I don't know if it serves again I could be wrong I'm just I'm because we've talked about this in every single permutation what if they don't make a 7s and a 7s plus and they just keep the 7 as then the second tier phone they used to do that in the past they want everyone to focus on the iPhone eh yeah I could see that happening again you know we don't know for sure but look and also all the rumor guys they're going after the 8 because that's one that everyone wants to talk about right now so more than anything though it'll still have a touch ID button and it'll have a screen that's not as good and then we'll see about the camera the camera will most likely stay I'm gonna guess it would stay the same as it is on the current 7 and 7s because they're gonna try and push everyone to get the 8 as much as possible because they're gonna make the highest margins on the 8 even someone like me who doesn't like a big screen phone is most likely going to go for the 8 to cause left hey guys it's Nick from Alameda hey I just wanted to touch base with you and tell you guys a horror story that I had with my beta upgrade one year whenever we moved out to the Bay Area I went ahead and downloaded Mac OS CRS I think it was and it ended up frying my external hard drive and the software that was on my iMac so after a thousand bucks later I had to go ahead and hit the hard drive looked at and upon that they were able to recover all my family photos and everything but you know it still cost me a thousand dollars so that's why I do not and I will never update to a beta again so thank you have a good day good advice I would I would say his condition is not normal you know what I mean like using older stuff right yeah and just just the fact there's like a beta actually frying your hard drive I mean it really doesn't happen that often but it's always kind of a lesson where look I'm never going to install a beta at least if I can well actually take that back I totally went all balls the wall with the iPad pro beta this thing is so amazing oh you know at least from an Apple product that one I know I'm the first to tell you that the surface pro does more but man that the iPad pro now feels like its own thing which is kind of like really cool it doesn't feel like even like a an older tablet it feels like a new thing that it can't do what others do although yes the surface pro does more it's just fun to mess around with so okay anyways to my point whenever I'm putting a beta like Mac OS beta I have an extra I have a I have actually a hard drive that externally that I use so oh that's cool yeah okay the last call it's only 20 seconds long and it's a good one so thank you for calling here we go hey and I was I have an iPad at first Jean is it worth to upgrade to upgrade to the new iPad that came how are they even the high and Pro Brian Tom please help me man hi Steven Beecham thanks Jerry yeah Jerry Jerry Jerry love it um so is it worth it - how about this the new I think it's like priced at 3:29 than you and 9.7 inch that's not bad no no it's really good um it's it's worth upgrading you know I'm gonna check that before I actually first-gen man that thing's still kicking yes the first iPad air that is the second gen iPad based on if I recall right that is the second gen iPad but I'm gonna tell you you know depending on what you what you have out yes depend on what you got there you're gonna it's gonna be a world of difference if you get the new 329 iPad I was right about that there's so many numbers in my head that the the new nine point seven inch iPad is 329 but I love the iPad pro the ten point seven inch is the sweet spot it's if you I don't know whether you use the pencil or not a lot of people have told me I don't really use the pencil I'll tell you why you might start using the pencil I got um that app affinity photo and I use Photoshop all the time and I didn't even it's it's not laid out exactly like Photoshop but there's things that are very similar I straight up edited a photo from my Hawaii trip where I plopped myself my family took a picture in front of the shave ice place in Oahu it's called why ollas you better get your butt out there and we didn't have anyone to take a picture so I took a picture of it and then I had my family members move and then I put myself because I wanted at least the same lighting the same general framing I put myself where I'd want to be in the picture and I never I didn't bring my laptop with me at all which would be a lot easier but I did it straight up with a funny photo using the Apple pencil and just kind of digging around and then it was like I was like damn and when I sent it people didn't know I wasn't in the original photo I got a slice photo man that sounds amazing and so I just did it through affinity photo for the very first time it was you know it's not as tight as I'd like it to be but for most people there they would have never blinked it they didn't and I was like photos the new Photoshop that they announced at the last keynote right Freck so affinity photo is not is not from Adobe it's there it's a separate product a company that made their own photo editor that has have everything from you know editing layers opacity masks everything you can think of that Photoshop does it does it for this and I was like damn that was so sick I was so happy about so um I'm just saying there's another video there's video editing apps that are out there the more I I've dedicated I said in the next month I'm gonna sit down to all the tutorials and really learn how to use this on my iPad because then I feel like I'll really be getting value out of it like a real value out of it super cool man so I would say you know what anyone who has a first or second gen iPad is looking to get one go iPad pro get the ten point seven inch you'll love the true tone display you'll love the 120 Hertz rate if you want to use the pencil you can but it's it's a beast it feels so fluid like when I play on the iPad and I see how fluid the screen moves and stuff it's like man my desktop doesn't even do this so it's this called first world spoilage boilage not even problems just straight up spoiled just stupid stuff like that but we are blessed to have all these crazy things around it so um yeah I think I think it we're good I'm good for the day music so man I think we are done did we hit an hour I think we hit an hour we had to kiss I think our last show was last Tuesday so you know this is kind of there's a lot of news that happen in between then and now so gonna make it alright everybody thanks again so much for being a part of this show again you can always call us at