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live from the cnet studios in san francisco in hiding out in a secret bunker at his fiance's house in Los Angeles it's the apple byte extra country with your host Bryan Tong that was a long winded uh-oh Stevens Pete knit it was good having a breath left for the Red Michelle bro yeah that was uh that was my memory from the script I wrote up that I left on my desk so good I love it welcome everybody to the Apple white extra crunchy I'm in LA today Stephen is back in the city by the bay this is episode 31 um what is it 31 deep and clearly we are going to talk about everything that we heard or we thought about apple's keynote also will be new stories here but i wanted to start off the show right off the top by letting people know okay I don't hate Apple like when people saw people if you watch our recent episode the actual vo episode people like why do you hate them so much and i am come i have to explain to people that don't get it all the time I mean coming from the perspective of a long time Apple user that enjoys technology but feels like the company is letting us down as of recent I never really said it after year one but I kind of wanted to wait for Tim Cook and company to get their stuff together and give him a couple of years give him two and a half three years before I started throwing out what I have felt because you don't want to jump to conclusions you need to show a history or a pattern and so that's why I talked about the way I did and to be honest it could have been a press release so I just want to let people know I don't hate apple I'm not in love with Apple I'm a long time Apple user but those of you who get it and get the conversations were happening understand where both Steven and I are coming from right yeah i mean this this has been like a narrative in tech in tech in the tech world for the last two years that apple's just you know they're kind of just stagnant right now so it's no surprise and it was a bummer we had the big apple keynote nothing really happened you know so what you gonna do Zack what are you gonna do except make a dang good music except talk about it comment that's our job talk about it comment too at it make an awesome jodia awesomeness so again this show is all about you all we want you to call us at one eight hundred 61 62 63 eight leave your name where you're from your comments or your questions we have I think four or five legit calls that we're using this week again we get so many that we can't put them in but we appreciate you all participants um great tweets and stuff so keep it rolling because you guys keep the show rolling so let's just jump off right here ipad the things that were announced really the biggest piece of tech that had the biggest improvements or new tech enhancements the ipad pro nine point in out during our live show i was crying inside because you know they improved my ipad 12.9 inch just four months later just for yeah but dude four months like waiting for months come on you you have the right to be a little like frustrated after four months right definitely i was frustrated after six months when they made my third generation obsolete so you know dust has settled and i still I I don't feel as bad because it has been revealed now that at least this new 9.7 inch iPad pro that they have although they claim it to have the a9x processor it's slightly slower it's clocked a little slower than my 12.9 so I was like yes still love it and then also the 9.7 inch iPad pro has two gigs ram instead of the beefy four gigs of RAM there you go that my bad boy ipad pro was rockin like covers my face so I felt I was like I felt good beach like I was sad after the keynote but I'm feeling a lot better but I do wish that we had a 256 gig option on this iPad pro the the other things though that the new iPad pro has that is quite honestly just flat-out better it has a better camera know that it also has the m9 processor inside it which allows you to say I'm gonna try and say it quietly hey Siri I said it's two separate words I don't want to set people's phones off so it has that ability where you can use your voice do that and then the biggest thing is that ambient light true tone display I that for me because I read a lot of content on there is gonna be stick and that's the thing I really wish that I had my iPad pro just four months later again just four months Duke brah brah I know feel your pain i feel your pain now during the keynote apple also really had a moment that I'm glad people reacted to because I thought I was the only one that kind of sensed it but they had a statement where Phil Schiller was talking about oh how it's so sad that there's 600 million pcs that are five years old and you need they were using as a compelling argument for people to replace their pc with an ipad pro but it just became it came off as so like narrow-minded and elite me you they showed a shot a cutaway shot of the entire Apple exact team and one of them was looking like disgusting the other one at that moment put his head down into his hands like the classic they've saw it and they just went I can't I literally can't and you saw this you saw all their expressions and then then they made another joke about it and you saw the audience which was made me meet members of the press but also apple employees clapping about it like laughing about it and it just came off is um tone deaf and very elitist of like wait so if that's the mentality of Apple you're telling me that basically any computer that they produce in their mind is going to be obsolete not only by five years but less than that yeah I mean they want us to buy a new device every couple years and people just can't afford it you know I'd like to my laptops coming on it's more than four years old it's a it's a PC it's a windows laptop and it has a touchscreen which Apple has not made it's a 2012 so I mean like why would i get rid of my awesome touchscreen laptop if it still works and it's still relevant have Windows 10 on it now so it's just kind of funny of that I I wanted to put my face my hand when I heard him say that too I just think it speaks to Apple still thinks they're the cat's meow from a standpoint of there's still have arrogance within the company hear it that's what that's what it indicates to me more than anything that there's still a lot of arrogance there so that's those are some of the points from the ipad pro but some are summarizing it all up and putting in a nice little bow the ipad pro 9.7 inch is honestly a killer upgrade for anyone who has an ipad air 2 has an ipad that's two or three or even four years old I honestly think if you're an iPad fan who has been fine with your iPad and says you know what maybe I do finally want a reason to upgrade out of all the years this might be a compelling reason to actually do it if you've been kind of on the fence that I think the I'm jealous of the 9.7 inch in some aspects but that's good because that means for people that have been waiting whoever you are it would be a good upgrade definitely are you gonna upgrade yours there were no no no I can't afford it right now my iPad that is still fine it still works great no problems no complaints yeah it's it exactly see you Apple made the products too good that's a good app for everything sound good Apple listening thanks Apple yeah I do say positive things about Apple guys and gals when does that come out to it came out in like 2011-2012 so I think yeah that's been 12 yeah yeah I've had it for four years almost almost rocking rocking behind look rockin baby let's talk about the iphone SE e that also came out in our reactions look we talked about it to death on the podcast a lot of times i can't fit everything into the video and people like why don't you complain about 16 gigs on a4a phone that shoots 4k video and i think we've talked about it billion times already but of course obvious i don't want to make the whole show all bad apples all the time too but obviously this is an iphone that design looks exactly like the 5s the bago missions here though that it has says tech inside and it's great this is not it this phone to be clear was not made because of innovation this phone to be clear was made because 30 million iphone users still use a 4-inch phone that's a lot of money that is sitting there that Apple needs get on an upgrade cycle that hasn't gone to a six inch or sorry a 5.5 inch screen phone or five inch screen phone they haven't funds that larger size because they don't want it so this is a smart business decision by Apple it's not about innovation also there's no 3d touch on the actual iphone SE so it is really their entry-level small screen phone hmm no I yeah it's and I'm sorry the whole music video that we put together just speak to that like my phone has the greatest technology ever and someone said about what about 3d touch and then it really sparked my mind and I just said well what about 3d touch we look at the iphone 6s line and I was super excited about the success line not because its form factor stay the same but I personally was a champion of 3d touch I still think it has the potential to be great but after apple's recent keynote they released two devices and they're only two new piece of hardware that don't support 3d touch the ipad pro 9.7 inch does not have 3d touch in it the iphone SE does not have three touching it and you know I Steven even you you don't really even use 3d just don't I don't and it's sounding like more like apples using that as like a premium feature in their premium products and that's fine if they want to position it that way but there's a few things that make 3d touch difficult okay first of all I my bet beach the reason why you don't even use 3d touch all the time is a there is no indicator tell you which apps actually have 3d touch that's true yeah I don't even know like when to use it really sometimes it just happens on accident i'll press it on me like oh okay that's kind of cool and no one wants no one wants to no one wants to poke around on their phone mean like okay that oh that app has it but there is no like little indicator or icon just like a dot or something on the corner of the app that lets you know it's 3d touch okay so a that's a problem then be the fact is that there are existing devices that don't have 3d touch and what Apple used to be dad is having a future work across all their devices in that same space but that doesn't happen anymore so now you're sending the only thing that's going to really have 3d touches the current iphone the next iPhone which comes out in September but no iPads will have it and the iphone SE will not have it developers the big apps have really joined on board I checked out the app store there's something like about 50 plus apps that are promoting the fact that they use 3d touch these are third-party apps but again whether it's because the screen is expensive and hard to make whether it's because the screen is hard to make in a larger size for the ipad pro i love 3d touch but i wonder if it might be one of those features that just dies because it doesn't have support across the board on all of Apple's iOS devices and therefore people aren't going to use it and people that have a phone like you beat them aren't you see ya honestly I'm just I'm not used to and also I'm like used to a behavior that I've been using my you know I used my phone in a certain way and now all of a sudden have to learn how to use it in a different way and I just I'm not interested in doing that you know like learning new like with that palm the old like palm handheld devices we used to have and had to like learn a new language to basically write on it like that was always really difficult and that's kind of it feels similar you know today I know yeah you don't want to you wanna learn how to write any language no no not not ideal not ideal I mean not like an internet language that you know is gonna adapt and change like in the next couple weeks oh yeah so just another thing about the SE we know that it does come with Apple pay it has the touch ID sensor on it for the iphone SE in the kind of an interesting side story Rico does report that Apple pay will be coming to mobile websites before the holiday shopping season and why is this important for Apple right now only one out of five people use Apple pay and that's not that high but then in addition to that they're competing against paypal for mobile pain and so I would say that if Apple pay was integrated into some of the sites sometimes I just jump on a nike com and I just buy something and I hate having to like you know put in my credentials and all that stuff having Apple pay through the mobile sites enough or places like that that you all go through would make it nice and easy oh definitely yeah there's a paypal he's got to make this stuff could be its yeah it's gonna make you convenient and then just a quick thing a core base you know these two products iphone SE and 9.7 inch ipad pro they are both available to pre-order now I know there are people that do want these gadgets so 31st of marches when they will be shipping but as of now y'all can go to the apple store and pre-order the goodies I think it's today the 25th right now I don't know yeah sitting with 24 yeah I can't I don't even know the days right now um we'll just transition over to iOS 9.3 another big thing I tend to get the most out of these iOS updates so I'm really juiced up for WWDC iOS 9.3 a small update best part of it hands down for me night shift I use it on my iPad I use it on my iphone job you been using it all definitely i set the alarm so it just automatically goes that like ten o'clock at night changes back at 7am it's perfect do you have that setup no it's beautiful oh I just met you know because lately I've been trying to be a good boy and I've been trying to go to sleep earlier oh you have the man I manually turn it off grandpa's going to sleep grandpa tongs going to sleep I like like honestly even like eight o'clock I'm like let's turn on let's turn on the night shift right let's trunk shifted eight o'clock but it's it's really nice and so because I've been using it on all my on the mobile devices and again yes we are all blessed to have these multiple devices it sounds so like silly manga I did all my ipad i did my iphone it's not like an apple I sound like Apple saying pcs have been around for five years that's like the horror horror but if you want to do it on your Mac an iMac or MacBook Pro your mac mini there's a really cool utility you guys can just go to this website it's called just get flux calm it's efflux actually but it's just get flux calm and there they kind of created a a jailbreak screen temperature thing for the iphone but Apple kind of said Nene on that because it's a jailbroken thing but they have a utility for your Mac it works pretty well I totally turn it I totally use it I totally views it ever since I got night shift even though I'm very even this webpage is soothing man it's like haha the color so so i would i would say you guys and gals go check it out efflux just get up let's calm and it'll be worth it i'm so all up on this night shift if there's any good apple it's all about night shift I I'm I mean it's kind of sad that after the keynote that's the thing I got most excited looks like a real tangible thing that we can use so yeah I mean but when you think about it it's like wait what was the best thing out of the keynote and it's night shift they change color temperature my phone so awesome I think you would agree to right oh yeah definitely I mean I'm happy it's here I am guilty of staring at my phone in the darkness when I gotta sleep yeah that blue light stuff it messes with you okay just a quick update about the app oh you know what sorry let me just jump back real quick iOS 9.3 I'm sorry I scrolled down on my laptop I'm a boo-boo uh Apple is temporary pool though the iOS 9.3 update for older iOS devices so here's basically what happened originally when they sent it out users of the ipad 2 and even as far back as the iphone 5s we're affected by this breaking bug so then Apple released an update for older iOS devices to fix that but then again they you basically have to it's in the update sign into your apple account your username and password to basically authenticate you ask me and then I'll allow the update to happen well it's some people that have forgotten it or it just wasn't working have prevented people from updating their phone so they pulled the iOS 9 point three update to the original release and said it'll be another couple days before a new update to the update of the original release of iOS 4.3 o good messy over there man does you that have no idea what I just said that's how bad it is makes sense you're gonna update the update man we had a bad update now we gotta look like you know update that update to i could get you the better update so I'm dying right now oh man and nugget that a lot of people wrote you guys saw the keynote and there's a video about Liam which is that robot that dismantles your phone so that the different parts can be recycled for the environment which yes I am about the environment people thought i was like anti-environment cuz i didn't talk about in the show sorry guys sorry little bit of people were like that there's yeah right like this is so boring the environment oh my god where I live where I drink my water cause is so boring anyways in that video they actually showed off an iphone right before is about to be dismantled it had the antenna lines but it had a rear flush camera like there is no a camera nipple on and people like whoa what is that what is that phone and I don't know one knows could it be an iphone 7 maybe could have apple just put in a renderer there that actually wasn't a physical phone possibly but i just wanna let you know that it definitely shows a iphone 6s body potentially 7 with a completely flush rear camera completely plush why don't i have that everyone freaked out sorry I didn't get that video for you guys tony was not have that because like it's like two seconds it's no wait here's a picture I do have a page he's gotta go hang on here we go here we go there it is zoom into that seem like it's flushed ain't no nipple on there his flush well maybe he removed that part already Liam maybe he had already taken that part off well you technically Liam would have to be a super Bob because he would have to remove the rear shell casing before he gets to the actual camera piece I'm just saying I didn't mean like rain on your parade beach my first reaction when I saw Liam was like great now they can just fire a bunch of people save even more money than some robots it's so true it is so true how many Liam's are out there too that's what I want to know yeah it's probably just that one maybe maybe they just they basically just made that sexy video yeah for one single robot um just fill you guys in on the latest with the Apple versus the FBI this one is interesting the FBI has basically stalled or said you know we know about the Congress hearings between upon the FBI the story about FBI wanting Apple to make a version of iOS or help them get into the phone of the terrorists from the San Bernardino terrorist incident and shooting now the department of justice on monday has indefinitely stalled the court proceedings that had been scheduled for tuesday just in case you didn't know Apple had their keynote on Monday they were actually supposed to go to court on Tuesday to continue these hearings so instead of turning to the court where the Justice Department forcing really trying to force their hand to make apple turtle bit for me the Justice Department is going to try a technique it's heard out to crack the iphones encryption without apples help they don't want to go through the court process I find this really fascinating it's called NAND Meereen and what this does is it basically requires copying part of the iphones actual memory so right now the iphone is made to wipe itself clean after ten attempts and then it just goes forget it but with a copy of the phones flash memory the FBI can continue to just restore the data and then continue to indefinitely type in every passcode combination and through that long period of time then try to get access to the phone this is from a third party company that's doing this right and israeli there an Israeli company so and so this is this begs the question what will take longer go through Congress hearings or try every pass code known to man to get into that phone and I'm probably gonna leave I think I'm probably gonna lean that the court hearing to take longer yes definitely no I don't even know how many depending on if someone used a four-digit passcode or the six digit passcode that's more secure nope the cording Arians most likely would take longer if you put them like side by side definitely so the FBI the FBI is definitely looking out for themselves they're there they're being smart about this they're clearly being smart about this yeah so um that's what's going on with that we just want to be updated you know what beach I think that just with all the time that we have I think we should just jump ahead and go into the phone calls are you cool with that yeah let's do it thank you guys all for calling you have a few phone calls let me jump to that real quick and the first one comes to us from Michael and he didn't say where he was from but here is this call hey Brian it's Michael Vaughn I have questioned regarding apple carplay maybe like this week or next week in episode you could go over what exactly is like it's supposed to do or what Apple is going to bring it to the table for iOS 9.3 um when it gets released like if they're going to do anymore other features know what I plugged into my like plugging my phone all I have that I'm ever going to use his like math and stuff and maybe once in a while the Apple music at the con but really it's like useless but like when you go to Annapolis and stuff there's a browser application so that's for google i select for the Google store so it's like pretty confusing um yeah alright thanks lo the show all right our good buddy makes a great point because look carplay first of all is still in its early phase where they're trying to keep it really simple basically like you said maps and some multimedia at the same time they're not trying to add a whole lot of new features in there because you don't want to be a distracting yeah yeah exactly hey good point break right oh you mean because you're driving because you're out radio massive vehicle that's dangerous that's moving so quietly whether it's our pay or on Google Google's Android platform in cars first of all you're going to need a vehicle that supports it right now there's about a hundred cars and more coming that support it but beyond that it's not going to offer much the whole idea of it is really to allow someone to get access to the content that they have in the ecosystem that they've purchased it in through their car but I if you're looking for something like a full-fledged kind of revolutionary platform for cars I don't think you're gonna find it yet I think when you if you really expect to see or feel like app gonna give you a real quote unquote Apple experience in a car it's going to be when Apple actually broke this is their car right now a lot of the manufactures are looking away to bridge the great stuff that is on our phones into our car because that just seems like a natural progression but at the same time they're not going to give us all the apps that we want it's mostly going to be music apps that have to be you don't have to have a partnership to get loaded on there like a slacker or should you know a skype even for skype calls like a last of em things like that those need to be worked out on their own but you're not going to see anything like watch movies on your phone yet or our onion your car yet or um what's another app like order food from your car that's just not really gonna happen other than beyond may be some sort of voice assistant but beyond that I wouldn't expect much and it's not that exciting and I thought it would take off a little better but it seems that they're pretty keeping it pretty limited alright thanks myself we have another call from Archie Boca Raton Florida hello Brian in the beach this is Archie calling second time caller hailing from the birthplace of the pc boca raton florida and i'm calling in for some mac advice brennan have heard you say that who are in the market for a macbook that it would be a good idea to wait until the skylake processors come out but i happen to be looking at an imac specifically the 21 inch retina model and I'm wondering if drop or their desktop models would also be worth waiting for a processor upgrade or are those new features for the new processors not as big of a deal for a desktop line by the way I will be planning on using this computer too in addition to regular internet stuff and processing would also be using it to record music demos thank you very much look forward to hearing from you excellent so first up just to let you know the imac line was updated as recently as november of last year and so they do have guy like processors at them the the main a really advantage of sky like though is energy efficiency as a music recording guy it'll still have more than enough power for you but i think the main advantage you're going to see in sky lake is if you have a laptop it's supposed to be really energy-efficient where we might even get not only one hour but maybe two hours more battery juice from it and it'll allow for slimmer designs but from the desktop standpoint the games will be nice but just not nearly as dramatic from that standpoint so again they did just update them in november so if you're looking to get an imac you're you're safe you're in the clear at WWDC i think it's going to be all about the laptops it's gonna be all about iOS OS 10 watch OS we might even see another preview for the next Apple watch potentially at WWDC we'll wait and see but that's where they announce all their new OS stuff and sometimes we even get good indicators of what the new watch will have so I would give you the green light to getting an imac if that's what you're in the market for right now cool and I wait I would suggest to look for refurbed also in the mac store so that's just me refurbed and then bump the ram up oh yeah audio that that's big time for bump the ram up is agree is a great kind of way to optimize what you're spending yeah you'll save some money big time okay and Calvin and Anthony called us in the middle of an argument so let's no Anthony that it look Tom Rachel this is Del humber the happening and the dental oh hello containment man we're arguing about whether or not you're going to be a 256 gig option when the iphone 7 comes out what did you guys think about it yeah well there won't be they did the same thing with the 128 iPad it came to the ipad first it's not going to make it to the iphone 7 Kelly you know maybe 27 x they did the same thing with 64 gigs right out come on man y'all just need to happens on your show next time we examine sister brother I'm telling you because these debates go on and on y'all have no idea what you're doing i'll show we just argue about the stuff anyway so wait did they say there are ins there from san francisco yeah he said they're both in san francisco so do we do are you able to save that line do we have that fig yeah i can get their phone number yeah i might talk we'll give them a will give them a test run over the phone and see but Calvin anthing first oh uh you guys were in your car when you call having that that was definitely a car call I could tell that but here the reason why I saved this for the timeliness of this is that Anthony was arguing they haven't even put 256 in the ipad yet and my argument before the keynote is that someone asked will we see 256 in an iphone and i said once they put it in the ipad then there's a strong chance we'll see it in the iphone but that being said I still don't know if Apple will actually pull the trigger or if they'll be jerks and only give us a 256 gig efficient on a phone in this rumored iphone 7 pro model which is different from the iphone 7 plus model and different the iphone 7 model right that's rumored pro model with potentially a dual camera lens if they did it for any phone and if that phone came out that's what they would save it for so right now the answer is TBD but the step are in place for them to actually consider doing it you guys are still gonna have to fight this one out maybe you guys should just do like an over-under of when it actually happens like doesn't come on the iphone 7 or not blah blah blah you guys got to figure that out for yourselves but I'm not gonna give I'm not gonna I can't commit to any answer right now but this they laid the foundation for that to happen Apple has done that so fellas have that yeah maybe we should have him on a Skype guest or something that might be fun dude we should just do like Beecham and bryan vs. calvin and it what happens so happens all right this is job we got a little more yeah thanks guys okay this is eric from Los Angeles hey this is derek from LA and I had a couple thoughts on the most recent apple keynote first of all I really love the new night shift night shift feature but I think it's kind of weird that it doesn't work on low power mode because that's exactly when everyone wants to be using night shift at night when your battery's dead you know I hope they can fix that soon and I also thought it was interesting that they dropped the price of the Apple watch do you think that means that they're gonna release a new Apple watch anytime soon no thanks the show all right i love this call i do think it's interesting because i do think it is a good point but at the same time I'm just like you know nice shifts night shift sometimes you just have your phone plugged in at night anyways right like I feel like night ship is made for those um 10 or 15 minutes before you go to bed then you check your phone versus like being out at a club using night shift when you know I could see I can see being out at a club using nite chef just a little softer you not like you know maybe in a movie theater if you're a real ale but I can see it yeah I mean I think it's a valid I think it's funny cuz I'm on cannabis and like yeah it should work honestly yeah it should work in low parmo but then low power mode kind of is specific to like hey we're gonna turn off as many features as possible just to save your battery lap and may be nice if didn't make the cut yet I don't it doesn't seem like it's using more energy to actually do night shifts up maybe they will fix that in in iOS 9 point for what we will find out as for the Apple watch question look the fact is that the Apple watch is about it here is it here almost it's almost a year old and apples only dropping the price because that tell me that they're trying to make sail the kind of move units oh yeah a because of because a new one will be eventually coming out but typically here that look at this psychology normally Apple only drops the price of a product when new product comes out mm-hmm the fact that Apple impels has dropped the price of the watch before new Apple watches mount tells me they aren't selling as well as they want them to that's your hope to yeah definitely so that's that's reading between the lines of that whole situation and I'm not here to bash the Apple watch because people think I hate it it just wasn't for me and I want it to do more and until it does I'm still gonna say that the Apple watch is so-so hmm what you see in that song Apple watch ain't doing what we wanted to yeah it was like like apple looks like Apple watch a do it what we hope for that's and then and at the end I said gimme Apple watch with facetime that's dope cuz that would be doing and I don't care if FaceTime on a watch is kind of useless to someone Apple used to put these crazy-ass charming be sorry crazy charming features that may not necessarily matter you're like it's the only device in the world can do that and that's what makes it cool and they have missed that because they have decided to take a strategy of let's do what smart for a business let's make two phones with two different sizes because that's what people want and that sells units let's make a four inch foam because we've 30 people with forage phones that need to upgrade they're not doing those things that make you go oh my gosh this is the greatest thing ever if the Apple watch had a FaceTime camera in it and I don't care if i only use it once or twice the fact that i have it and no one else has that makes it cool mmm that's how i feel about all that that's all so nice ship is very cool yeah cool okay we have one more call from naffy here he is well Brian my name is Neffe and home I want to know um what do you think about the iphone 7 not having a major redesign got that sorry did you hear that yeah I got it yeah I heard iphone 7 sorry guys and gals sometimes a little disconnected what we're not in the same room but uh naffy iphone 7 quite honestly having a totally revamp design these days doesn't bother me nearly as much that I thought the iphone 6s was a killer upgrade to the iphone 6 I thought it was one of their best upgrades arguably for me but the iphone 7 doesn't need a new body but it does need to do new things that are compelling to us and that can make it special that's going to be up to Apple decide I think the whole idea of slimmer is better no one cares about that now people just want better battery life if only Apple could make a phone that could last over two or three days that would be the biggest story and people would be like Thank You Apple they wouldn't care about anything else but they refuse to do that so until they do something that really makes us turn our heads whether it has a new body or not it doesn't matter will I upgrade to the iphone 7 probably yeah that being said so um a new body doesn't change how I feel about the phones personally yeah kind of pop kind of past that good alright man I think that's all we got that's all we got it's time yeah alright so we just want it's oh man it is a friday so again we'll be back in the same room the same bat cave next time next week but keep the calls at one eight hundred 61 62 63 88 he fought tweeting us and watching us thanks for listening thanks for subscribing and you know we'll catch y'all next time on this example bite extra crunch I