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welcome back it has been a minute but it's time for episode 163 I'm pretty sure of the 359 podcast holy cow guys it's so good to see you how are you alfred Inge and Roger Cheng I'm fantastic how are you doing I'm a little tired after our journeys and the cnet road crew roadshow yeah CES but I'm feeling good a little bit of context right we haven't had a YouTube stream in a while largely because well first week of the year we were at CES second week our intrepid producer was out in a truck for the Auto Show so we couldn't really do the YouTube stream with him we were able to podcast going but you know you need someone here pushing the bunny yeah exactly it's a little bit more complicated the stream on so this is it this is our first week back on YouTube we've got it we've got a great show for you we're talking about Nintendo we didn't get a chance to talk about it last last week because the news hit hit on Friday right so we're gonna break it down alfred was actually at the event will talk about Nintendo's switch will also talk about nokian blackberry trying to get back in the game and whether or not they have a shot so as usual if any questions leave them in the comments section we will get to them after the podcast right on it's good to see everybody again thanks for coming back and we'll be in the chat in three minutes and 59 seconds from exactly 32 welcome to the 359 we talked about the top tech news of the day only the crap you want to throw in I'm Roger Cheng I'm Alfred Aang Nintendo is back with the switch the console costs three hundred dollars and launches on March third but it's already sold out in pre-orders and almost impossible to get the Nintendo already had a decent 2016 between Pokemon go and Super Mario run will this be Nintendo's you to dominate gaming I don't think it will be okay I they are targeting that's kind of their goal right now they don't want the whole family friendly this these games are for kids kind of demographic anymore with these if you notice in these commercials that they've been putting out for the switch it's all you know Millennials young adults people with disposable income Brett who are playing it you know and they're showing them going on planes you know on the way to work like on a bus so so this isn't really like the casual gamer market oh we had hit a success with when we write no they're aiming for more of a cross between basically they want that casual gamer but they also want the hardcore gamers to come back for this um there again aiming at people who have jobs right if you notice you know people traveling that's kind of but also you know they there they've been stressing this is a home console like they they don't want you to say so it's bring it down break down the switch why why is it called a switch and then what what what's the appealing aspects well it's a tablet form factor so it's basically you can take it out from the dock on your television and then still play like a tablet you know on the bus or you know going anywhere by and the experience is the same yeah yeah the only difference is the on TV it has an output of 1080p okay whereas on the tablet its maximum output a 720p right but there's joy con controllers that basically they they come off of controller they attach on the tablets you can go you can do gaming yeah or you can even use them as motion sensored controllers and kind of like the wiimotes when you played with them okay yeah vagator had one to switch it's kind of like um like a cowboy withdraw yeah yeah let me pull it out and then you know there's some sort of game where you're milking it yes yes there is um why because it's the it's Nintendo it's supposed to be you know fun and interactive we've got like a party icebreaker kind of game so they're still going for that demographic on that that's that's really interesting like I said it's three hundred dollars which is a pretty reasonable price especially given the xbox yep and the playstation or kind of similarly priced at this point and it's coming in march third but it's almost impossible to get already so next up our own jessica doll court has an analysis on the return of blackberry and nokia remember those brands those story names were have a lot in common right now i mean they both struggled the last few years you mean they're pretty much irrelevant and now they're essentially licensed brands other companies have sort of taking over the brands and slapping them on top of android phones Albert have you ever owned a nokia blackberry phone yes I had the indestructible nokia with a snake oh yeah and I also had the blackberry pearl right before I switch to the android g1 the blackberry pearl is really it's one of those phones that that people credit as bringing the smartphone get out to the major mainstream because it was sort of a a slimmer phone you know hey it still had physical keyboards at that little pearl ball and it was a huge hit Yeah right until the iphone came and destroyed all of that but it's just it's interesting that these other companies it's a these other companies are basically paid to use the names and it's just do you think that there's value know for those names actually bring these guys back I don't think there is I think if the phones are you know I or dud as far as I quality goes right it doesn't matter what their names are now and they're going in two different directions like note the Nokia is six which is announced a few weeks ago it's going to China it's more of a low-end phone alcatel is actually making the new blackberry phone it's right now it's codenamed mercury I look to be more of a high-end affair I don't we'll see if any of this actually works out but you know I'm a little skeptical so for more of these stories check us out on cnet i'm roger cheng I'm Alfred Aang thanks for listening first and foremost for those asking the banana on the seat is my lunch oh I thought restore scale maybe if we had a Nintendo switchin here to Cosette that your entire lunch so that's kind of sad well that was part of my lunch I just I threw it on the chance is it won't little late for breakfast in New York true first and foremost the price thing is definitely a polarizing factor which I'm kind of surprised but I didn't think 300 sounded that while that for game console here's the thing though the people are eighty dollars that's like way more than an xbox or a PlayStation so yeah the controller I've heard that across the board I make that's always a pro controller she mean how many ketosis comes with the system the the two things that go on the side of it the joy cons okay so what if you want to just get one that's fifty dollars and that's if you like kind of wanna do multiplayer with your friends you know on top of the 300 for the console know that guns with that comes with it and then 1350 gets you a two player setup no no no no no against your half of it gets you half of it it gets so you know how there's the two controllers on the side yeah each one on its own is 50 doll know if you gotta sell them in pairs but yeah they're 80 bucks is a pic yeah they're eighty dollars as a pair why would you buy one if you want to milk liao yeah clearly okay that's you wanna know if you want to just offer it as a single like thing for somebody else because you don't need both controllers to do multiplayer you can use multiplayer like one-on-one but there's certain games where you do need both of them like their game arms which is kind of like wii boxing i saw that that look kind of fun yeah but you need both the controllers do it you can't I can imagine many of the games not needing but why would you gotta buy the one like I feel like it's if you if you want to play the like little Pargo I guess you don't like the second one their concert / flu asst I mean go back to the wii with the moat and the the nunchuck they weren't necessarily paired right you had to buy the nunchucks yeah yeah there is there's a mentality wait so when you're buying the but it wasn't $80 will you're buying the pair do you also gain like that center piece that connects the two or no how much is that part I haven't looked at that price yet wow wow so that's means actually cost really start to add up after all yes that's then that's the cost issue here it's not that oh it's a three-hundred-dollar concert you thought $300 not terrible for like a brand new console with like which is right now when you start nickel and diming it yeah and then the other thing too is like why am I paying three hundred dollars for a console that only has five games at launch oh but Jake says it's still a hundred dollars less and buying a ps4 or xbox one with the one controller yeah however after this comes out I cannot imagine a world where the both of those don't drop price to compete yeah well do you I mean is this system really competing against the x box appears no because also in the chat and it's very well known knowledge that Nintendo's not for hardcore gamers I know that that's that's fair they want to be the family game center they cornering that market yeah it's a harder market to kind of give in your evil it's it I feel like they're really going through this this code but let's tie holder because it did they want to be they don't want me casual gamers but they also don't want to be hardcore yeah so they've got this like super thin now that's right they're basically looking for kind of like the nostalgia value of it like I mean the game he was good for casual game yes that's why I was such a huge hit totally and it was a family board game night right the way you was trying to be able bit differently I think that's why I failed yeah really know as well as much is targeting I think it's again it's targeting you know working like T naught teen sorry but like models yeah we get like Millennials with disposable incomes they keep showing people traveling and playing the games and unless you know all these teens and families are traveling together all the time on planes to play video games it's it's gonna be you know people that have jobs that like require them to travel remember the Sega Dreamcast had the vm you unit the memory card with a little is that the thing with this little screen yeah yeah I got you to take a portion of your day and you say get it at first yeah but yeah that was not well no but this like the ideas I mean I kind of like the idea that like I can basically play zelda my TV and then we've gotta go I could just yeah take the screen for my dog plug in the controllers and like bring it over to a friend's house to that guy fun yeah I don't like this only online multiplayer world that we've built for ourselves i still like that you know bullet popcorn two liter am I do yeah let's play some games let's throw some halo course at won't be on Nintendo but my point was by this time bi-mart rolls around ps4 xbox one they've been around a minute it's time for a price drop that's true in general yeah I mean if you whether they are trying to fight with Nintendo or not yeah I mean there's like a deal about every two weeks now for those where you can get like a packet bundles usually bundles are like 250 and what do we think we're gonna see bundle wise for Nintendo probably when splatoon two hits right well they've already kind of got like a collector's edition thing with a legend zelda of course but that's like one of the very few which is another thing that they're kind of filtering on launch titles yeah really light in well that's that's gonna be a launch title that I think that's one of the few know yeah that that's got me together say the game in action like that's pretty sweet oh sure i'm not trying to discredit zelda at all but i'm saying the library's thin yes yes do have a lot to look forward to before the end of the year so i'm imagining a splatoon bundle and a super mario yeah the modesty odyssey yeah what did by the way did you see the mario odyssey game in action like doesn't go to the real world where he's like I think he's only in the real world to go back to his brilliant apartment in in New donk city right well in the real world like humans are like human scale and Mario still like a little too scared yet is super weird for me like they could really get my similar that's the average plumber height I guess so sar to any plumbers watching that really threw me off like is so is he not human then is he like is this a statement that Nintendo's trying to make about Mario it's an odyssey all right you know remember has all the radiation from the Mushroom Kingdom his warp here in C comes back and we're just chasing after taking all those mushrooms Wilson like Homer's Odyssey when he sees like the Cyclops and all these like monsters and stuff this could be Mario's version of it that's true there's a thought I think it looks sharp I mean it's few and far between that a mario game isn't fun I just heard that Mario can pay rent in new dog city not likely from experience well he's like grabbing coins from everyone he's got a pair right like don't worry I'm just I've got my coin I just imagined like the the movie version of this or what the guy just running around like from his hand down pockets grabbing money and running a people at what's happening well we saw them they just started it did not oh is that curb stomping the mushrooms growing up onto that hey shanna to pancreatic of old nintendo more like no thanks though wow good r-iowa sharp yeah who out there is interested in the switch I mean I think there's nothing because you're certainly people artistically wrong with it but who here thinks that they're going that direction are you going to drop what you have you have you changed plans as its really enticed you were interested to hear I mean clearly people are interested right if you can't even get this thing anymore it's old yeah we're there there's no food demand but whether or not there's long-term to man is still they question for me I think I think that's part of Nintendo's plan to make sure that there's long term demand though that's why instead of you know packing all their games at launch which it used to do which is the common strategy they've added we're gonna spread it out so you know by the time you get bored of you know rough of the wasp attuned to that kind of makes sense like I am I have attention for like one or two games at yeah I don't need a huge library right off the bat but what I want is a commitment for games down the line through the life the system what do they say about third-party developer support like I mean I they've got the first probably titles down obviously Mario and Zelda but like who else is jumping on this bandwagon well Skyrim was you know heavily promoted okay all right they also one of the NBA 2k games got it um a lot of time no no grand theft auto no that's fancy I don't think you're ever gonna see grand theft auto on a Nintendo console but Final Fantasy does have a chance of coming back depending on where what are they is it still Square Enix where's that come back standouts great awesome sonic one is one of the big towers the first Bomberman game uh new one at that look 2010 oh well yeah little R and again yeah back to the roots yeah I was actually playing bomberman you know like the night before the announcement is just getting ready Gideon no I didn't know I was happening I just play bomberman regularly oh the good game it is speaking of Sonic mania were pretty sure that sonic 2017 projects coming to switch as well right the new 3d one on retro man i really i think it ain't no this is sonic mania is the retro throwback right right by sonic 2017 is the new brand new there's no full title for yeah it looks like sonic generations to we saw the teaser for a while ago and various coming to fill of any 3d sonic game very honest don't ya side mania look we're all speculating here and what's going on mania i'm interested in the same approach that capcom did with like Mega Man 9 yeah so are they bringing back street fare to yes I'm exciting but it's not even that much of like a bringing it back it's for it's like 20th anniversary okay or so and the in the exclusive what kind of because they're taking um they came out with super street fighter 2 ultra HD for the PlayStation 3 a few years ago okay yeah and the graphics look pretty much the same on that it's basically a remake for just with like better graphics I guess so many editions are there's like party mode now where you and a friend can play together to beat up the computers oh they had a clip of like ken and ryu just like ganging up on m bison and one really yeah i played that very cool and then there's two new exclusive characters there there's evil Ryu which has been in other street fighter games and there's also violent ken which apparently finally unless you Asian violent before anything so what like on offense is original can just sort of like passive can now by default I wonder if that's some kind of a saurus to America but do they do anything differently just like slightly different colors there's like different like frame a mortal kombat trick okay something like our socal swap now that's what I think a large consensus in the chat is generally like this looks okay I don't know if it's going to boom on the launch day a lot of people like I'm gonna wait see yeah I think they're wrong I mean look at all the pre orders that have been like sold out already uh I mean there are a lot interesting is not gonna sell yeah then what I'm gonna break any records on this one oh no no um I'd however however bones says looks like the best nintendo console since Game Cube Wow I don't think he's wrong wow I did I think I can agree with that in terms of aloma game in terms of what the terms of quality of gaming I think in terms of Zelda was a big factor and buying it for Harrison Harrison Hale okay um yeah that mean the zelda game look beautiful say I can I got a lot of pre-orders there were a lot of pre-orders that look right here in the chat I'll do we know what backwards compatibility is gonna be like it's not gonna have any there are they gonna have a similar arcade or weddings like the damage endo shop yeah like an emulator there there were games yeah they're working on a virtual console for its new membership subscription you know so this is the first time that Nintendo is actually going to make you pay for your subscription services sounds about right that was coming along yeah but one of the things that they're doing with it as a reward for any subscriber is you get a free nintendo nes or you know super nintendo game every month but you only get it for that month yeah that's like that's kind of like what would a UH was a little bittersweet for me like having the game for the month and i think it's gone you can buy it I'm sure yeah but it's a free game like they didn't know Microsoft and Sony give free games yeah right and you keep those games yes what titles would be a deal maker for you like we talked about Mario we talked about splatoon here I'm gonna bring up mariokart mariokart yet but a new more a card like you just revamped about it are eight right just so there's no one solution schedule-wise coming out between arms puyo puyo tetris Xenoblade sonic fifa kingery says if madden gets on there it's a done deal for him i'm sure that would be a dumbbell front yeah they've got EA sports there so yeah you imagine man is gonna be there look just give me the gamecube virtual console and give me super smash brothers melee HD I can't imagine what they're gonna do with the next myth I will annexed smash though I will buy a switch just for that and have that one game on it I just give you super smash brothers it's all I why who doesn't want some ass come on everybody let's smash yes specifically many hours melee but yeah what what deal breakers or deal breakers are makers in the chat we're interested to see what what's going to bring you to the switch yeah i'm trying to think back like for me I would love to see a new Prince of Persia oh yeah hasn't been exclusive to anything by right I would be interested to see the mechanics of work in this and I think that's a good platform for it personally if it went more the stylized like the prince of persia like the reboot one that came out in the xbox 360 in like what two thousand eight that really reboot no no it went kind of the other way it was more cel-shaded oh really yeah oh I know you're talking about I'd like to see something like that I'd love to see Star Wars come back to Nintendo see like a rogue squadron exactly Rogue Squadron when you know squadron again yeah but got rogue one we need like right the chronicles of rogue won the game in Rogue Squadron format I'm definitely into that hey here's another bold question do you think this is just like a souped-up nvidia well yeah it's running on the same like kind of engine but didn't they do this exact same yes setup yeah what year was that um 2014 or 2015 it was a shoulder yeah those two it's two years old yeah I guess so and they actually just updated it to the shield so yeah this is what it's more it's nice as a room on Android right cuz that no Club Claudio's a man after my own heart Metroid no yeah we haven't had in awhile especially with this new system to that like the way that they're trying to do where you can do multiplayer if you like can hand off one controllers your friend but then it comes to this whole like screen watching kind of thing yeah but what if two people have their own switches there we go that's where it gets interesting yeah imagine the mobile k so do you talk to each other yeah yeah no they can yeah okay okay they showed it off in one of their um in the first trailer for directly then bring your switch over your friends place when they did that splatoon tournament ideas like Lane says they need a Pokemon game I don't know if they're gonna put a Pokemon game on it I'm sure they went home yeah but pokemon snap to take the switch out in the field and get the augmented reality gonna do that though but what is that they're gonna do that though they would do that on the 3ds which has the camera on it you're right and potent as always as excessively you're right you're right it's on Wi-Fi how's it can I yeah it's it is there's got one okay yeah but is it uh it well there's no cell connection like pokemon go when theoretically will work on this thing no yeah I my thinking outside the box I'm an interesting note that Reggie brought up when I spoke to him well one me and Scott spoke to yep so battery life is a big concern for it so it's only got about like two to six hours of battery life depending on what game that you're playing some pretty big scope yeah uh they said legend is auto run you about three to four hours wireless oh um but it has USB see on it and um battery packs like the like power banks like they'll end up working for it with us bc theoretically plug into like if you're thinking like an airplane the USB le yeah looking there yeah but also like the fact that it has like battery packs on it is that's really interesting to me so that that that was a good move on their part yeah uh I mean you brought this up in your in your interview like this is this is kind of a portable gaming device but they have a 3ds and so yeah which is a huge hit for them Holly's to coexist as much as you know Nintendo wants to say they're not gonna cannibalize each other and it's not gonna cut into their market it definitely well I think the way that they're trying to keep them apart is the types of games I think it's because he's saying that these are higher quality game yeah that in Nintendo is basically saying you know we're going to keep the games for the 3ds kind of more like kitty and you know family friendly kind of stuff which makes sense as a parent I don't know if you'd want to buy your kid a three-hundred-dollar console that because it's portable it's probably easy to lose or break yeah yeah um and that as opposed to getting your kid a you know hundred two hundred fifty dollar like handheld 3ds right um where that's not like as likely to happen right it folds in is a little bit more terrible yeah like that's the thing like yes but I have a kid old enough to have all these things like I'd become uncomfortable with them like lugging this tablet like advice around like just like I'd be uncomfortable with them you know what ipad right like yeah it is dropping break I've seen that happen when it'll make cases though like they do for mobile phone so what is a case of in the case around the controllers well it's really kind that's what that awkward setup is but then also as a kid though if I like what like I'm probably gonna want a switch as opposed to a 3ds we're just one of those things like if i get if there's better games on it brand there's you know more engaging like gameplay and would you only school online services question though would you feel comfortable playing the switch on the subway probably uh yeah i read my tablet on the subway all right like I'll be like I feel like I just a target for a mugger at that point everything I target for a mugger I'm always a target for a mugger that's true Jerome is wondering if Nintendo plans to go VR with the detachable screen and maybe an additional headset I think they'd have to introduce additional hardware for this because I can't imagine I it's exaggerated it's a pretty big screen which looks like this which is a cardboard with this strap your face oh man that's a good love right now there's no plans for VR but they do the camera does have like a our capabilities so okay I am interested in kind of like if they're doing something similar like Pokemon go yeah it's on the move you can I guess yeah I can see ya for sure animalcrossing Dark Souls a star fox Doctor Who star fox yes i can today not retire starfox because of the last one yeah the last one kiss it was terrible it wasn't terrible but it was just severely underwhelming just get a 3ds and play the star fox 64 remake on it that's what I do it's great I have a phone I don't need another portable device don't look around a lot of people the demo just get your star fox I don't see a donkey kong country yeah I was less sums less enthusiastic about that one but that's got a hardcore following oh yes absolutely absolutely I'm sure all these first you know these first party games are coming they have to be I think animal crossing oh they're gonna keep that hokum on stadium probably yeah it works better in that what the heck's pokemon stadium it was pure battle oh yeah yeah yeahs pokemon center's the only game i can see them like bringing to the the switch as because the 3d asset is basically their counter their headquarters for pokemon games you know how that's true how long people have been asking for a console version of pokemon it's just I think they're keeping it on like handover reason that's dumb I'm enjoying a vm 379 a in the chat who's pointed out he wants GTA and co d no you're not getting us yes sir haha i thought the screen resolution makes it impossible for vr it would be more pix elated than a japanese porno why not true because resolution for psv are sucks alright they still pull it off the board okay goodnight everybody alright alright guys that's that that's a good place to wrap things up actually it was a good chat you have to be back in the saddle thanks Adam for joining us and maybe if we revisit switch stuff will have Bakalar in yes back Laura Scott whenever unfortunately both out but when when they're both in we could have a whole when we get more information about what's forthcoming with this absolutely so as always if you liked anything you saw her here check us out on cnet our podcast is also available on itunes tunein stitcher SoundCloud feedburner and google play music we'll see y'all tomorrow later guys thank you