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and on Monday January 22nd we are back baby its 359 episode 342 and it is so good to be back how you guys feeling great amazing been in New York for just two days now you know like I'm back in the groove that's right well this man it's been six weeks I've been gone for six weeks holy cow I know we didn't miss you that's a lie we missed you very much as did everybody joining us here hopefully we're gonna see some of the regulars back sorry we had to take such a long weird hiatus but scheduling schedule we had CS and then we had a Detroit show last week and really we're just getting our equipment that should do this literally this morning I had to literally that's why we're running a little bit late we actually had to put everything back together not we Brian we do nothing Ben and I literally just sit here I'm just the target your head yeah that's sweet of you all right I'll take it starting the new year with a new brighter at the new year on the in the middle of the 20th of January well it's the first time I've slept in the office for me it feels at the new year Touche all right so we're gonna be talking about a few hot topics we're gonna chime in samsung galaxy s 9 our colleague Jessica Dole cork scours Lucy s trying to find the coolest tech I came with this nice wish list things we want to see in the next flagship phone from Samsung and then next up the big story the day an inside look at the Amazon go store this is that fully automated store are calling sharp tip can got to check it out the been work at the char on the story is able to kind of run through the store what it's like why we should care mmm-hmm so with that let's let's get it going as usual if you've any questions leave in the comments section Brian will pick out the best and we will try to get that get to them in 3 minutes and 59 seconds from 3 to welcome to the 359 I'm Roger Chang I'm Ben Fox very been the Samsung Galaxy S 9 is expected to make its debut late in February at Mobile World Congress but we've already got a wish list of features that we want to see in the phone it's actually not our list Jessica dual-core hunted down the coolest tech at CES and came up with a nice roundup of the best stuff that we want to see in Samsung's next flagship phone first up it's personal favorite of mine something I want to see in display a fingerprint sensor mmm using face ID for a while now right and then like isn't it it's relatively easy right it's not that hard to use no face ID works relatively well I mean there are some errors every once in a while but I do miss having a fingerprint sensor in the front now Samsung also when they move to this all display design put their fingerprint sensor in the back and probably the most awkward position pocket that's a little weird right next to the camera I'm still not used to it but it's nice to have it I share with you that having a actual physical fingerprint sensor is better for me anyway but you know Apple moving to face ID it does make you wonder if they are ever gonna do another finger print sensor sure that flagship I mean there are situations where I would like to just unlock the phone on the desk you know without like staring at it so I could see what's what's going on my phone and those situations like having an actual fingerprint sensor embedded underneath the display is handy and as vivo this Chinese phone makers shown that's definitely possible they're coming out with one you know synaptics has said that more phones are gonna come out with the technology so at least on the Android side I think we're gonna see some of this technology show up yeah so another element that Jessica talked about which I really like but I don't think it's actually gonna happen in phones are the physical shutter that you have we saw these with the Google assistant smart displays at CES you can physically turn off or you can physically prevent the video from working the selfie cam so I think it's it would be hard to like embed that into a phone but ik size-wise those phones are so small having another fiscal switch to or shutter even something as small as a shutter for one of these cell front-facing cameras it takes away from the real estate but they could be jamming in more components more circuitry more battery power battery power and I'm just yeah and especially with an iPhone I mean I don't know I I mean I kind of disabled space ideas I've been watching too many black mirror episodes I would like the physical shutter I want to know that there's no way that thanks ray and then lastly the bendable screens that we saw with LG televisions obviously we want to see that show up in Samsung phones unlikely to be shown at galaxy s 9 I mean all the rumors pointed at s 9 being kind of a more incremental update to the the s8 but can't help but to hope that you know the the bendable screen technology doesn't make its way it's coming it's coming we've been talking about it for years and it looks like they tech companies are getting closer and closer yep actually having bendable and foldable screens so look out for that maybe not quite yet but soon so next up Amazon's fully automated store amazon go has finally launched our colleague shark tip can got a chance to check it out and then you worked with her on the story just first off what is amazon go it's basically a cashier 'less store you walk in you you scan your phone at a turnstile you walk in you pick up whatever you won and the store recognizes and notices what it is that you're picking up and then you could just leave I don't have to talk to a cashier you don't have to talk to a person if you don't want to I guess that's why I'm curious how does that work like how does it know that you're picking up a certain object well if you put it back down well if you pick up multiple objects like how do you how are you not constantly trying to fool that camera they have a ton of cameras around the store and that are constantly tracking your your entity your your body movements everything like that even if it's a bustling very busy store and this is something that Amazon worked for five years on so there's there's a reason that it took this long because it's a really complicated problem let's begin which it was delayed right they actually set the goal to launch by middle last year yep early 2017 and we're in 2018 it's just launching now yeah it's a little disappointing they didn't really provide much of an explanation as to why it was delayed everything that we were hearing was that they had glitches but they said that they had so much enthusiasm from Amazon employees that they just held off until now and lastly we're gonna see this anywhere else this is right now Amazon goes just at the headquarters right they're saying they're laser focused specifically on this store but I would expect other retailers to start to get a little nervous and maybe we'll see more of this type of technology start cropping up in the next couple years all right for these stories and more check us on CNET I'm Roger Cheng I'm Ben Fox Ruben thanks for listening I love that thing thanks for that it's all right this the Amazon store just to clarify this is only in Seattle right now this is like right at the end headquarters yeah and it's open for the first time today to the public it's been open to Amazon employees for like basically the past year and from talking to like Amazon employees they seem to love it you walk in grab your lunch items you get a pasta salad you got a wrap you walk out you don't have to like wait in line or anything I like this idea I hate people yeah this is great for for people that hate other people I mean and we see it now like drug stores they have those self checkout kiosks exactly fails you know not only for failures but those self checkouts are also hotbeds of shoplifting there are so many ways to so easy to trick them yeah you couldn't you can pick up two items I mean I'm not gonna tell people out of shoplift but anyway there are a lot of ways to shoplift using the self checkout so there's good reason to switch out and not use that technology anymore I am really looking forward to when they open up one of these Amazon stores in Detroit and they can employ Robocop security if you were given last full circle you know fully automated I'm so fully automated I am intrigued by this idea that attracts your entity yes really vague about or your phone or do you think they're all got the Alexa armed toilets in the store and they're fantastic that's Lucy yes that's a toilet we never flush we never asked sure if there was a restroom there it was like a place that you could just like run off like there's a room but only for robots exactly well you're not gonna be there for very long that's true like what I did ago so I was like girl story sorry's in any store has restrooms is cuz you're never really stuck behind that lady who insists on paying with a check and you can't wait that long never again never again thanks to him is on go by it's really as talking about the self checkout kiosks that's like one of the only checkout technologies that's really existed for a long time now we have mobile payments but yeah I use mobile payments especially with this fingerprint sensor it's janky it doesn't work most of the time or does about half of the time so something like Amazon go will be really valuable and useful for customers and it's worth mentioning there is a lot of hand-wringing about what does this mean for jobs but it's right for automation is just going to put cashiers out of work eventually it's hard to say so we got some fun stuff going on in the chat right now welcome back some of our loyalists who have a look out the the ugly last month with a syringe or Josh etc and hello to some new fans and friends first up I want a syringe I wants us to play a game remember the the hole okay merry f kill game yeah oh god okay so I hope I don't get fired implement kill don't care for Pokemon go Android go Amazon go implement kill don't care I don't care about pokum yeah sorry Amazon go and Android go what is Android go as usual strange oi knows more about technology than we do well that enjoy the show is yours we've know by the magical powers Oh Android go it's the it's a stripped-down version of Android for entry-level phones kill your friends with it implement or don't care oh why don't I kill Pokemon go yep yep I don't care what Amazon going no I don't care about God we go cuz it's not an art Center region and then deploy Android I would agree but don't want I don't want mines I hate lines nobody likes them good that was a fun game we should play that again sometime yeah we actually have to figure out the technology right either our viewers actually mentioned by the way it's also worth mentioning that like one of the longer lines that most people have to go through is a grocery store line and Amazon is like very vocal about the fact that they're not gonna bring this to their whole foods I know that's kinda it's because it's like those stores are much bigger they've got way more complicated it's not a convenience store Amazon go is a convenience store it's less than 2,000 square feet it's a little bit easier to manage grocery store we're just not quite there yet that the volume that you tend to walk away with at a grocery store it'd be the self checkout all over again yeah plus it's like there's all the produce that doesn't have barcodes on it or anything how are you supposed to know if it's like a gala Apple or pink lady Fuji or a Fuji sure you know already licious eventually I think we could get there but I don't think I'm a drop machine right man it's all about machine learning just use the words machine learner I'm just gonna solve everything exactly I don't know how it's actually gonna happen just say it enough it'll happen deep learning algorithms there you go shut up to the dash in the chat and let's take a comment from Josh Boyd I says I don't get why people want folding phones so badly you guys seem more excited about this and I do I'm totally excited I totally want to see folding phones mostly because it's it's about display real estate right like the idea of it actually being able to fold out to a larger display you sort of see it with the X on em except it's got that kind of unsightly hinge in the Z T makes that okay so that came out last year III see the sort of like the very very early rudimentary start to this trend the idea foldable phones but if you can get a screen that's bendable that is that is actually whole and it folds down to much more pocketable size but folds back out to a larger display when you need it that's that's cool I mean that's different we've I feel like the phone industry he's gotten kind of boring last couple years I heard it's been very similar yeah yes very similar a lot so this minor updates and I feel like 2019 or 2018 might be similar that a year were a lot of big phones only see minor updates so would be kind of cool to see something radical and different and innovative industry that's why I'm excited I agree with you the last point especially that it would just from a philosophical basis as a tech reporter it would be something totally different and interesting to write about but if it doesn't actually provide customers with something different that they really won then yeah it's not gonna take off because like there is a reason why all the phones look very similar now it's because it works right and people are comfortable in use - so then the one of the ZT executives who are showing off the X on them showing off on the new apps the phone I don't know if you know has two screens that fold into one but the two screens are folded out when you fold the phone down there's one screen on one side this is a great this was a great app that he there's advertising on the back of exactly no no the app that he showed me was great like on one side the when you're looking at is the camera viewfinder on the other side is like this little cartoon or whatever it gets your kid to watch the screen one of troubles I have is having my kid stare the screen so I could take a photo of them oh but it displays cartoons or little things that grab your kids attention he stares up at the screen you know what else works camera action works out well it's not very high tide yeah my kid my kids pretty he's already kinda certain about his visual stimuli so like he's English at night can be there's a really specific usage well the point is trying to make was the phone that that X on em which isn't really a foldable phone uses it kind of runs on the same principle he's trying to get developers to start thinking about how to create apps that take advantage of two screens like that near their other ones where you're playing games you're teaching you've got two screens there you're teaching someone how to clip piano right just two piano keys on each display you play one the other one runs through the same thing for a second person I respect what they're trying to do but I don't really see much use for that second outward-facing screen but we'll say well see I mean I think that's the thing like we don't we don't really know what those killer apps are yet but I think the fact that people are starting to think about it is a good sign and I just like the piece of paper phone you've been reading about it in technology or in sci-fi for literally rolls up yeah or just you fold it like a piece of paper you put it in your pocket yeah you know like that's eventually what I don't think we're gonna have that anytime soon but that's not cool I was in that pitch meeting that you isn't it really terrible when you drop your phone on facedown and the shadows of screen hear me out let's put more glass on the back more screen to shatter yeah well the zooming Corning will get the whole grille glass thing down and they'll be super indestructible no guys sure sure why not hey listen gage with the audience a little bit because we're running out of time let's do it sir enjoy on the theme of the s9 wish list yes is synaptics fingerprint sensor applicable on every type of oled screen like AMOLED P OLED etc III would need a double check on that but I think it's supposed to be underneath the screen so I don't think glass type actually matters as much at least because the actual fingerprint sensor the way it's light base yes go through his parents yeah yeah yeah it doesn't matter what type I don't know how that works I know Qualcomm if not synaptics was we're working on in screen fingerprint sensors that is using work radio waves or something yeah so you could do it under metal or other things like that so it didn't even just have to be glass it didn't have to be transparent so that just provides other potential uses for different phone makers and one more from Josh boy won't bending a display we're over time good question oh that's a great question we don't have enough of them ya know that I don't really know I mean I think the bigger problem is less the display more everything underneath the display like how do you get the battery to Bend how do you get the chip the processor all the components and underneath like how does that all fold right or do you have one on one side and the other side sort of a thinner thinner sheet that bends over I don't know it's really uh I think there are a lot of definitely practical hurdles that these companies have to figure out before this is a reality mmm meanwhile we can keep dreaming a little off-topic but Scott mayates got a good question multiple news reports today in the UK saying that there is a leak from KGI this is Apple will stop production on the iPhone 10 this summer more sales no Watson is going into that question any extension on that okay I wish I heard for the podcast no kg I definitely wanted to yeah yeah I can't imagine them stopping production on the phone I mean I just okay so Watson then wants you to answer if there's going to be iPhone 10 plus I mean I think the rumors are cons more likely at this point I mean I think it's gonna be a little - I think I don't think they're gonna stop production Productions gonna continue I do think there is gonna be some sort of iPhone 10 plus or whatever they're gonna call the next iPhone it's gonna look like this but bigger - there are a lot of yeah 10 to 11 times I'm not just by phone 12 own 12 whatever whatever I mean I think there we are gonna see a bigger version of this phone I mean that's what the rumors are pointing at I don't think they're gonna stop production this current fondo it's been only weird year for a Salesman I don't watch that it's unclear that I mean we're gonna find out a couple of weeks when Apple reports earnings but I mean all occasions met in March no no no no but all indications are I mean it's done pretty well it's I mean it's sold well I mean I think they're varying reports about how well it's done but it's it's not a flop by any means we don't see in in their own quarterly reports we don't see a breakdown of the specific phone models so but just the absolute numbers would give us some sort of any totally it's yeah and it's also it's the fourth quarter is what they're gonna report and yeah that's the holiday season so you should expect very big numbers but even even a bad quarter for Apple is something that most other phone makers would be super jealous of yeah so it's it's it's gonna be a big number but it'll be hard to tell whether it's gonna be I phone 10 did really well or not right they don't break that out we should look into it more though so scott says that the Daily Mail is reporting on it - yeah the scoop mm-hmm I like that Matthew d'être says if I OS X is named after big cats maybe iPhones are gonna start getting named after little cats the Himalayan this is a good idea and we're off the rails hey I think that's probably a good time to call yeah nice nice being back thanks everybody yeah thank you for all the warm welcome it's like a nice old comfy chair easing back into that's right sorry that's what we got to get on the budget for next season comfy chairs are your chairs okay I'm cool with that these chairs are not that great do the whole thing from recliners anyways man Roger it's nice to be back in the captain's chair here with you it's uh it feels right yeah take us home take his head all right you liked anything you saw her hurt here took us on SEANET our podcast is available on iTunes tune in stitcher or soundcloud he'd burn a google play music Amazon echo it's not on soundcloud sorry don't remember I'm going from memory I forget SoundCloud no longer no SoundCloud sorry it's okay sorry you're back you're back also seems like a sound the echo it's cool thanks everyone we'll be back again tomorrow theoretically you