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and on Wednesday October 4th with a functioning microphone it's time for the 359 podcast it's episode what are we on now 294 294 and hold dream team is here Ben Fox driven Roger Chang Alfre ding you had your hot mic moment today did it I screwed up my microphone I'm talking about trying to get some overtime in here hey would you surely desert you totally deserved by the way you deserve oh yeah look I'm totally on the record with you deserving overtime I think I might have said that nobody cares about what we were just saying what everyone cares about obviously is Google and the big event unloaded a whole lot of announcements man they are going no seriously in on Hardware what they're going all in on Hardware so what are they announcing I mean where do I even start so obviously we're gonna get started with the pixel 2 and the pixel 2 large right the XL sorry we'll talk about clips yes they're a little lifelogging kicks or buds we got got the head pixel pixel book the pixel book pen brand new daydream VR home mini home max these are all devices we're not even we haven't even gotten to the ones that we're gonna try to make up like the pixel dragon too but all right as always if you have any questions about any of these topics leave in the comments section Brian we'll get to them we will do a podcast now so look after the questions in three minutes 59 seconds little rusty there I forgot what I was talking about I'm a little sick of sorry guys you're always sick it's true we'll get you some o2 am i doing the intro today for the show by the way it's you all right cool all right let's do it all right here we go for the recording of the podcast be back to take your comments and questions in the chat in 3 minutes and 59 seconds from 3 to welcome to the 359 I'm Alfred Inge I'm Roger Tsien I'm Ben Fox ribbon where do we even start with Google's event today well let's get started with the pixel - you know they announced their follow up to the first Hardware phone that they had what were your thoughts on it I was I was disappoint by a couple things right though no headphone jack which sadly Apple's already killed and then no Doolin's camera which I was okay with I feel like it's become the de-facto for any kind of high-end premium phone you got to have two lenses you know I think Google did a good job of explaining away why they didn't need it you know we've got AI and machine learning we could do bouquet effects we don't need two lenses for that first of all I'm so sick of hearing the word bouquet if every single announcement it's awesome all right fine I mean if you won six y-you can just call it portrait mode but yeah they basically said you know we don't really need the the hardware for this we don't need two cameras when our software is able to kind of detect the background and you so we have this portrait mode shot without really needing to spend more money on two camera lenses for it right so I mean what do you guys think I think that the the big hesitation that I would have about this phone is that it's missing the headphone jack other than that I think that it really hits all the major elements it does a lot of really impressive stuff also if you're at all interested in google lens which is there are mented realities slash image recognition concept the only place you can get it at least initially is going to be through the pixel phones so yeah they're really trying to sell this thing and try to get it moving in the market ahead of you know and for all trying to get it some all criticism of not having dual lens like their their single lens camera scored the highest DxO mark which is sort of like this industry benchmark as the highest score ever beating out iphone 8 plus which itself just got the highest score ever a few weeks ago and to be fair to google like looking at the iphone aid which is which was the newest flagship phone available up until now this phone is different looking it does provide a lot of new technology into it and it does give people a good reason to upgrade I would think so yeah you brought up the headphone jacks earlier where she said was a problem that it didn't have but I you know after seeing what they had with the pixel buds oh yeah I don't really think that's an issue for them I mean the pixel bugs are an expensive accessory they're like 150 bucks but I mean the the real-time translations that way seem to work it's kind of awesome that's easily worth a hundred and fifty dollars on it is incredible I hope the UN starts using these things because I am interested to see how it actually works one of our colleagues Sean Hollister was able to speak Japanese to it and he said that it worked perfectly fine there's like I saw the video there's a second delay as its processing the language but then it just spits it back out it works pretty well like if you can imagine two people wearing these buds and actually having a conversation with each other I am interested to see if it works on any device with Google assistant and not just the pixel two though so we did confirm that the but the translation feature only works with the pixels that is unfortunate because I would have loved to buy that just to use that you know and lastly what we do have to talk about the Google home family get a little bit bigger the Google home Mini and the mass the mini to compete with the echo dot you know it's around the same price around the same size except Google obviously threw some shade at Amazon here you don't have any weird lights or ugly buttons all right this is cool fabric to go up against the home pod you know to show off the quality of their speakers it's it's still cheaper than the home part though right I I know that these no no it's more expensive it's three it's $399 for this one isn't it right and the main pot it's 340 million that does not usually happen all right that's all the time we had for today's show for the rest check us out on cnn.com I'm Alfred Inge I'm Ron Chang I'm Ben talks Riven thanks for listening know okay you can't you can't here not because Roger wasn't here for that Roger what row of the show because Meyer what had happened was he's like wait for the ED where I like whisper a swear word he was trying to outro it and you know saying like thanks for joining us David or whatever but he just he would get to actually say goodbye on his own terms they crossed White's okay so you know as its wrapping up David it was pretty awesome so yes we will try to end with the damn it as often as possible I'm like you Bob like what is going on here it's okay you missed you many fun this is a Late Show our late shows are always a little punchy 3:59 after our day wait we didn't even get to like some of the products the clips by the way I don't I really don't know that those are gonna sell I was gonna say harder like I am sure with that to say like I really don't think these are gonna sell but look you never know so I don't know things cost well 250 150 oh what's it like why you're right it is - I remember when I heard the prices like what the idea of like ambien picture-taking for your kids or yeah that's or whatever at the same time the price seems too high and I think people have gotten pretty freaked out about just like privacy privacy issues with some of this I can see like big-name vloggers like buying it so that they don't have like carrier yeah yeah total right for certain people in certain usages definitely no no no they said they were specifically targeting parents and as a parent yourself would you no no no I also don't have $250 Paris you don't have that kind of puzzle income you're right like I already my cell phone camera and at the same time like yeah taking out your phone and taking a picture it does take you out of the moment a little I do want really worth the extra expense I would argue against it for myself personally so I would note that this feels a bit like a rehash of the HTC re which was this very little I guess little-known camera look kind of like a like circle which sounds like a screech all right yeah he kind of held it there's a little bun there like a periscope and it was like the whole idea was like this will this will keep you from being out of the moment right you just click on this and you'll just have these photos or videos or whatever and then sell well at all and there was no remember right there was only a few years ago it was even that long I don't think that Clips has a viewfinder on it either which means that you might end up just getting pictures of people's feet sometimes which is a problem I guess it depends on where you put it yeah that's weird also they're saying that the AI on it like helps it like find faces and photos and shots like it won't really take a photo of like somebody's foot yeah I don't know I mean like saying AI is gonna solve everything yeah in these president notice that there was a lot of like machine learning this AI buzzword buzzword yeah buzzard machine okay okay hey bouquets also they actually they didn't say bouquet garnet know they support remote data they say they support remote they said neural beam for me yes Noro be like oh you guys can't stop yourselves from just these buzz words I mean it sounds cool no one knows what they mean but yeah I spent the entire thing just trying to account for who was the most uncomfortably nervous on stage they are stickers yes they are sticker stuff because you have to you can't tell you can't tell where they are on telescreen I feel like that's very endearing these are this is like a very big stage for some of these folks and I think a lot of them are our engineers that are working this feeling bored but one dude who is comprised of 90% flopsweat I'm sorry but like yeah I know these are professional presenters no I get it I guess SuperDuper mean but that's that that's how I got through the event was being distracted by like oh this poor soul and to be fair I don't I'm not a professional presenter yeah I don't think I would do any what that's why they gave you a podcast yeah yeah I would go up on stage and like just puke and he just gave a podcast cuz there's no one left yeah my mom always told me a face for podcasts we've got we've got questions I'm hoping we do have some questions so let's start off with with an ongoing conversation that gets kicked off by several people and he'll being the most notable can someone please explain the love affair with a headphone jack I have an iPad with what if I want to do high fidelity listening I'm not going to be using a phone Dane Thorman goes on to expand with seven-plus for a whole year not cared about the headphone jack and once that's it just I will say this that the headphone jacks originally were like I got a stick with this you know I need my headphone jacks kind of thing well you know the product for iPhone users it has kind of gone away yeah like I I have an iPhone 7 I've managed fine I actually forced me to switch to Bluetooth headphones I feel like Scott when Scott Stein's in here talking about it he says that it's a bigger pain in the ass then I think it's a lot of people readily it's a bigger pain the but if you have invested in nicer headphones like I had a pair of Bose headphones they're kind of nice to use on my phone but but with the dongle room how often does this happen to you though where you know you get on the train or whatever and then you put on your headphones like oh your your headphone batteries are dead that is absurd to me and I should never happen or you forgot your Bluetooth headphones yes yeah I like that's the worse that to me is like the I hate I mean I don't have Bluetooth headphones but I would hate for that to happen and that's my biggest reason why I've stuck with like traditional headphones right and going going back to the question I think primarily what bothers a lot of people is is that that headphone jack has been a universal input for so long and now there are three different inputs you either have lightning or USBC or the regular headphones yeah and I think that does does get kind of gets confusing for me because I carry a pixel and and an iPhone so I've got you of lightning USB I won't say that an audio jack sorry you're forced to carry two phones at all like the pixel buds to me though is like kind of a good glimpse into like what the future of headphones could you know because before I had always been this kind of like they're just headphones you plug them in you use them to listen to stuff that's it but now it's kind of okay well if we're gonna make them Wireless and we're gonna put all this wireless capability in it anyway what else can we add to it right you know you can control it they were like swiping it and things like that it translate rings languages yeah that's kind of Awesome I think I think this is just a lobby from the Bluetooth people this is all conspiracy I like that idea I agree with you Alfred however I do like the idea of getting headphones packaged with your phone you already spent $600 which by the way last year the pixel did not come with the headphone and I don't think it does and it doesn't come it just comes the dongle I'm glad you were saying that because James was just asking about that yeah no headphones sorry yeah we means that I mean the idea is who's gonna give a word it's like you have the headphones already you can just plug into the dongle but it's kind of weird that they didn't supply a USB see one just the standard once you have a deal with dongle this Apple gave you the option of going dongle lists you know the first Android phone also didn't have a headphone jack and came with a dongle to the first yeah that the G why would you not have a headphone jack Wow yeah you know what standards are a lot lower oh my god it's a phone that has like oh wait yeah the headphone thing was not also I'm sure I'm pretty confident that if you even tried playing music on that phone and like just died like I mean how how did you yeah did you phone did you use it to listen to music not really yeah yeah more questions more questions all right going back into the chat James favor again he's become one of our best contributors they say anything about iMessage working on the pixel nope no they said you can transfer it over me like James may have asked that question yesterday about iMessage no no I messages it's not for you it's not something that would be announced at a Google event be announced at an Apple thing say hey we're opening up iMessage Apple would never ever like a little make down announcement that's a good point too I'm tired out all these green bubbles I know I'll put up with my Tech's mess with my blue lights the tyranny of the blue bubble man Green has sometimes it's really hard to stay balanced between your conversation and like this is my message rolling the pod yeah there was some relevancy to the bubbles all right I get it this is your a green bubbler don't don't come in all right all right dude he's running the show yeah all right let's get a couple more questions in here yeah how many for hanging out it's been great having you I know it's been a long day most you already probably watched the entire keynote so it's cool that you're chilling with us yeah totally as we just laugh about stupid crap Vince Nicolas does this come with honeycomb or gingerbread oh no it's Oreo yeah it's coming up with the new version is he is he talking about like the the pixel book like what's this question yeah wasn't last year what was last year no getting nougat there's Android n right yeah yeah oh yeah jelly bean was a while ago yeah all right let's talk about translation for a second some people are wondering what the value of it being built in on the phones through the phone from the buds to the phone when there are apps elsewhere that probably work just as well that you could access that's what I'm saying you died through a home assistant it's not as I guess it's not a seamless system that is like the idea is like you're just you know you're tapping a button on your ear you're saying some words and almost and it pops up on your phone I think the idea would be especially if yeah I've been that it's a little bit more seamless than just having to open an app do you think that they're gonna open it up to like third-party like apps though where you know that would be it seems like from you know the kind of limited use that the program's just miss being just for pixeled and I think they're gonna keep this kind of contained it's kind of disappointing I hope that would at least open her up till like the pixel one it made and maybe a hardware thing yeah you guys have the specs handy here I don't I won't pull them up please do on laptop in the meantime let's talk about the colors is the blue going to be exclusive to Verizon from what we understand please oh right the kind of blue kind of blue I love their color names like red blue they love their color dame's by oh they really love me they really great because like you get all these like BS names is like Cobalt yeah but I feel a steel blue I feel like Google definitely packs itself aback a little bit too much for like clever we are with our now free can you give us your best shot I want to do that some bets Abebe just willing to happen so throwing this out there what do you think of Verizon continuing to get the exclusive deal I mean it's funny that t-mobile I should put out their announcement before I got my Verizon announcement that like you can get basically half off on your I think if you like trading your phone you get like half off the pixel pixel to which is the same deal they had last year wait I don't get it do you have to bring the pixel to if you I'm sorry you don't you I think you bring your you could bring your Verizon pixel to t-mobile and like they'll take your phone and like swap it out or whatever I filled the deal was but either way they're like they're trying to get in on it oh absolutely like ship phones yeah all right pixel pixel to specs courtesy of cnet.com all right display size 5 inches for the pixel to 6 inches for pixel 2 X 441 PPI that's a pixel density per inch yes versus 538 16 by 9 aspect ratio 18 by 9 X aspect ratio on the XL let's look at their like why do we not have their like I'm assuming it uses the Qualcomm yeah it should the processor yeah it's not like listing that on our spec site for some reason well at least you got the display size that's probably the most important no Thank You Alfred yeah let's get to a couple more quick questions before we call it a day Jarett topping Hey oh no I'm sorry that's what we just covered he was asking about the about the specs Nick Hill aye Nigel I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that right and I apologize do you think the LGV 30 problem could take place on the pixel 2 and is the problem the the band problem on less brightness well sure I don't even know that questions about not really sure what yeah it's a snapdragon 835 okay I'm sorry the LGV 30 problem yeah what of us more info yes you please give us more what problem are you referring to because it sounds like a good talking point but I'm not really sure where you coming from IP 67 from James again is that the same as the new iPhone at least the water let's see I believe it is actually think it's yeah and thank God they finally got to like water resistance on this one because the original pixel didn't have it yeah but it was kind of disappointing although this one doesn't have wireless charging Joe's a little disappointed about I hate to use the word table stakes but I don't think wireless charging is table stakes quite you know I feel like when Apple talking about table stakes what does that supposed to mean he's just the baseline it looks like it's a gambling term you need to have this even play the game okay I've never been to sea yes before poor guy I rather know what gambling is Nike trying the back in the v30 band problem where the brightness is less I'm still not sure what that's referring to I'm sorry I don't I don't I know I'm a band is in radio band or bright band is in I don't know I I admittedly don't know a ton about the V 3030 band isn't like maybe the upper screened like the separate display uh it's a screen problem as LG is supplying the screens for XL - OH LG's providing the OLED screens I get it I I was even a web sorry I'm well aware of the V 30 have a problem I may have read a little bit about this like randomly brightness and dark rooms Irina's grainy and dirty and as hard as a horizontal brandt banding all over it that's what he's referring to so hopefully we're gonna ban okay hopefully they fixed some of that because the V 30 is not a new phone like not a super new phone a few months old right it gave like if this was a software issue at least gave Google a little bit of time to like smooth it out before they announced the pixel yeah I wouldn't be as worried because the V 30 I mean that's made by LG's mobile division so I'm sure there was some issues there that Google is basically just using LG is a supplier of one component so yes I think it's less likely where you got surprised at all that the pixel to dinner and try to do the whole like fullscreen thing that everyone's trying to do now no I wasn't surprised because of all the leaks but yeah at least it doesn't have an arch and at least it like costs a reasonable amount of money yeah like $1,000 for a notch phone I don't know people people are still gonna like show off the iPhone X as pads day one no I'm gonna go with ax whoa you know Brian Brian yelled at me I can't win with you guys I said ten yesterday and Brian and say yes I mean he also says Mary oh so Michael Browns got my back on that one though no iPhone tax it sounds 90s I feel like I should be drinking a man it's extremely is extreme Here I am on my scooter my ex all right we got one more question from John Constantine great name but oh hey ah do not kill me this is a great kind of jump off point cuz we haven't really talked much about the pixel book yeah sorry we totally know what that thing well here's here's a great way to kind of bring it all home John Constantine would any of you referring to everyone here at the table be willing to use a pixel book Chromebook on the podcast I certainly would on the podcast browsing for stuff and occasionally like sending an email to Ben yeah I would use it I don't think I'd shell out like $1,000 for it that's the only issue that is I mean Chromebooks are popular because they're cheap yeah so a high-end Chromebook seems like I think I know I don't get my money somewhere like a high-end Amazon tablet like that force themselves into that market was by being the lower-end - and like currently like four if you wanted like a really good you know Chromebook anyway that's only about like $600 and that's still even like pricey I mean I did used a Samsung Chromebook like nine while I was out at Def Con and I used it for like a full week and it was great but I'd maybe maybe app sorry maybe Google is looking at this as kind of like how Microsoft is doing a lot of their surface yeah halo product yeah so but it's it's yeah but being a Chromebook I agree that Chromebook usually means it's supposed to be lower you're like the partners have done a pretty good job of making Chromebooks up here I want to buy like that was the issue with Microsoft they decide to make these surface books because they want to sort of set the agenda for what these should be yeah but I think you know this is exactly they're like point they're trying to compete with the iPad pro and the um like surface books not you know other laptops out there I think it's trying to directly compete with like the convertible like hybrid market and if I'm comparing this Chromebook versus a surface book and iPad pro a surface pro yeah surface Prytania I would probably go with the the pixel book mm okay because I miss access to like Android apps as well right right yeah okay and that's about all the questions we got for the day at least that's all we can cover for right now I do have one question for Roger that has percolated since you've been out sure so Apple has the OLED screen so that they're getting from Samsung yeah do you think that there could be a second supplier out on the wings at some point whether it be LG or somebody else yes definitely yeah I in fact I mean I was surprised LG wasn't involved this time around right especially because like Samsung like they're like blood enemies I mean well I mean there's still some pending litigation but like they've really kind of ratcheted down the hostilities like Apple really is pissing on Qualcomm now like that's their that's their big enemy he has two things at the same time exactly I've tried for you guys if you liked what you heard today anything P related the 3:59 podcast is available on iTunes TuneIn stitcher SoundCloud Feedburner Google Play 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