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hey good morning on Thursday September 14th it's episode 284 of the 359 podcast I'm your technical producer BVG and in the house we've got Alfred Inge and Roger Chang is finally back with hey just take a break nice little vacation add Nessa did you bring us a bunch of iPhones Shh I did not thanks for stashing them I was like hey so can I just take one of these from the demo room like it seems like you got a bunch as he was walking out ya know as a security guard such rustling we down on the floor I would pay good money to see anyways busy day ahead of us Roger what's on the bill yeah we're uh ironically not starting out with that but we will talk about Apple but Google came out and he's their their pixel to event in October October 4th I'm never fourthly a year from when they released them yeah so so we'll talk about what we want to see the pixel too and then we'll get into Apple and some of my early impressions with the iPhone X and iPhone a plus and H it's the ten you know I keep saying X I won't stop saying X damn it well if Ben's not here today someone's got to screw up the name there you go all right then lastly we'll talk a little bit Alfred story on face ID and how Apple's slow and se approach and I helped ya that with this this feature all right Brian as always if you have any questions leave in the comment section Brian will get the best and we'll try to answer them in 3 minutes and 59 seconds after the recording of the podcast in three two welcome to the 259 I brought your chat I'm Alfred hang surprise surprise we're not gonna talk about Apple yet instead once first turn to Google which teased the launch date of October 4th for the pixel to refreshed off the launch of the Galaxy Note 8 as well as all the new iPhones so what do you want to see the pixel two for one a headphone jack everyone keeps you know getting rid of their the original pixels so there's there's some hope left though there have also been a lot of leaks yeah you know it's not gonna have the headphone jack which would be extremely disappointing considering that when they released the pixel one of their big like selling points was we have a headphone jack and you know the the iPhone 7 doesn't so haha and Samsung made that same yeah this time around with the SA and the node 8 so if they got rid of it they'd be hypocrites well it's been a year no change things that things never change what else you wanna say well you know we're living in a world now where phones are $800 and up for that if you want anything of quality for some reason so I'm really hoping that Google sticks to its affordable price on their pixel - yep more affordable than pixel - or sort of the same level because it was like 650 was a preemie yeah but I guess I guess the bar for affordable has been lowered now yeah yeah affordable headphone jacks especially I mean after seeing these other phones I want to see a dual camera system on the pixel - like I have a 7 plus right now love using the dual cam portrait mode when it works it doesn't work all the time but it's great when it does and I want to wireless charging no one else has gotten wireless charging down now Apple has it Google it's your turn yeah what's the point of all that you know unlimited storage if you can't take amazing photos with it there you go all right back to Apple so I tried a chance to play with all the new phones but actually decent amount of time on them you know I'm still wrestling with that $1,150 question because let's face it it's you're not paying $1000 for that that iPhone 10 it is you know it's $1000 starting price but that's 64 gigs and no one's buying the 16 you can buy them you could buy a MacBook Air for that price man I know but you can do so much more with your phone no you can't yes you can then a laptop no yeah you can't think about all the millions of apps you could do all you know the millions of games you can play on your laptop do anything Mac can't you do anything location based on your Mac no you can yeah you can what are you talking about no can you play pokemon go there no you cannot sorry saying I'd much rather have a powerful laptop than a phone that you can pull out every five minutes you can't because all right so you're saying that you think that it's worth 1000 like I would say I'm probably gonna get it because I'm dumb and I like to buy the newest great things but it's gonna be a tough question for a lot of people I mean the big question is removing the and relying solely on face ID is a controversial move because I got a chance to try it it's not as smooth as using a touch ID you've got to look at it it unlocks and then you have to swipe to get the homes gonna house a learning curve on the iPhone 10 it's you know it's gonna take a little while the removal the whole bun and having to swipe up I can see myself getting used to that pretty quickly but you know touch ID I could put my hand in my pocket with the finger on the button and buddies having to pull it out I'm ready on the homescreen face ID though let's think this ID is a lot slower you've got to put it up to your face you know scary waits for the lock symbol to go unlock which is immediately very quick but then you've got to go back down and swipe up was it as smooth as Apple said it was it was pretty smooth no yeah and they worked really well I set up super quick it was very similar like touch ID we rotate your faces on your finger but you know worked really well I that it's a good segue to your story of yeah I talked about how Apple took the slow and say approached for facial recognition right yeah so right now Apple has this major hurdle that they have to jump over which is face ID has a very bad reputation because of all the not face I need facial recognition yes because of all the people that basically rushed to you know have facial recognition and then it was basically oh this photo can trick it and you know Apple basically the idea is that they kind of waited until the technology was out there right to be able to do it like quickly efficiently and without being able to be spoofed yep so alright that's all the time we've got for those stories and more chick sounds seen it I'm Roger Chang I'm out for name thanks for the sing up on me sorry it's four minutes we have our out trophy I chose like 10 seconds long you got to give me a better segue maybe we shouldn't have trove faster I was looking at the clock we're running out of time maybe shout roll overs like we're all free we're about 25 seconds late sorry about that I need I need a signal or something yeah all right all I could think of anywhere talking about that stories I got one hand in my pocket and the one on an over pressed phone that was again way more like a really bad I was thinking you made like really good points about like all the things that you could do on your phone like you can't do on your laptop I'm wondering you know does that mean that the thousand dollar price point is actually worth it now considering how much more considering how much more you can do on your phone than a laptop yeah which were your points yes does that mean that the thousand dollar like price point is actually like you know but like actually worth it uh considering that's like an average price for a decent laptop yes in my mind it is clear when you look at a phone versus a laptop the phones a clear winner it is your main communications device you know you can play games on it you can do you can run apps you do location-based services you can find your friends on it really quickly you can find it right you can get turn-by-turn directions you can't do that your Mac because there's no location on that max there's no vice so to me yeah it's worth it because that's become such a big part of my life more so than my math I mean I stared my Mac a few hours of the day for work I served my phone constantly right so in my mind yeah it's worth it then again I'm a little biased because I like to buy nice expensive techie toys cuz I'm a geek like that and I tend to like to buy I tend to lean towards phones anyway so maybe my advice isn't the most practical yeah I don't know I just think about in terms maybe it's because I'm taking a flight soon but I'm thinking you know if I were to go on a plane and I would forget one thing at home would I rather forget my phone or forget my laptop I feel like I'd rather forget my phone really yeah yeah how would I contact anybody can you call it on your laptops and what yeah you have to go to a store but you have to find a Wi-Fi know if you're at the airport we're gonna do I don't know I don't I just like I think you're far more inconvenience to the other phone yeah sure I still I defend you an extent where I think you know I'm at a point it's not a shooter is definitely useful I mean just a lot more like working like game minded because it's like I don't do like it can't do a lot of work or play it was very simple effective like you can't really make a phone call unless you find a wife you can use Google Voice on it I mean yeah you need to find yeah sure thing alright okay I'm wrong it's apples and oranges this is that was your opinion that's totally fine but look back to the original question was like is it worth $1,000 me yeah I mean pure net Allah I mean a lot of the features that they're introducing in the iPhone 10 I don't actually think you necessarily need I think you're you're you pretty happy with an iPhone 8 plus especially if you're due for an upgrade like if you have an iPhone 7 you should not be buying a new phone like these upgrades are not really worth it unless you just absolutely need to have the layers of grace which is why I'm doing it also pretty happy with a pixel - or any other Android phone be a pixel - we'll have to see how about the pixel - cause I think you bring up a great point and like the bar has been raised at like don't know a premium phone cost versus an affordable phone so yeah well Google like sort of take its cues not like the note eight is nine hundred thirty dollars this starts at nine hundred ninety nine dollars it's that's those just crazy I don't know if Google at this point after seeing the price points for the note eight and the iPhone 10 are like wait you can set phone prices that high exactly like we just changed those prices right now it had a few zero hundred dollars good to go well what's that point you're trying to make about Cracker Barrel if oh so I saw a tweet from somebody they got really popular that was basically saying that the entire menu of Cracker Barrel costs less than the iPhone 10 so you know there are things there that you can you know there's better things that you can spend that money on but you can order use the iPhone 10 to have cracker rail delivered to your house no but can you I don't know I don't you get all of Cracker Barrel I would say all Cracker Barrel would probably not even be half of what the iPhone the Cracker Barrel is known for like affordable food that with huge portions yeah family meal I believe it's like about like eight hundred or something somebody like actually did the math on this I got to find it at the bankers I mean well I would argue though if you ate that Cracker Barrel no that entire Cracker Barrel menu you would die I'm telling you I'm just like your heart would just stop we should save to say I would hate myself equally yeah if we expensed it you know instead of us shelling out money for the new phone just let me go to Cracker Barrel and just make for you I think we're gonna buy the phone okay the entire cracker menu cost eight hundred eighty seven dollars and seven cents I realize that were that menu but horrible though that's the thing does it count variations we are talking I don't know I I don't we spent so much have a cracker bro we should I just like cracker barrels foods that's why I want I'm never even there but you know it's like the best roadtrip food people I can buy they're all too hard all right so we should actually jump into this chat yes sorry well take your questions I yes I had a chance to travel the fight iPhone so please ask me whatever questions I will try my best to answer them I got mostly details that hopefully well Watson who's become one of our more recent regulars we want to give them a shout out Watson what do you guys think about Apple saying that calling on LTE on the Apple watch without iPhone connection will only be one hour and four hours for playing music yeah they did a little bit of weird math with the like what their argument for all-day battery because they said it's so all right but that's some mixed use of LTE Wi-Fi Bluetooth and and if you look at the fine print if you use your LTE connection for any significant amount of time it like really serious dope deal-breaker because I I in a previous podcast I'd have been talking about how it was considering using that as my primary phone I think I'm just like I'm trying to get away from my phone dude I think that's the thing it's it's impressive enough that they got the LTE radio into a watch that small like no other connected watch looks that that comm patent right so kudos for that but they have to give up something and it seemed like the battery life I don't yeah I wouldn't trust it to go even half a day if you're using any if you're using independently of your phone for any significant amount of time I think that's a huge loss of the top of everybody's list I know this is the the watch but the watch is essentially a phone now let's be honest with ourselves right the telemarketers better battery better battery better battery every phone every device everything you have to carry around in your godforsaken technical day yeah everybody needs better battery life and they still do sit net like I said that I think they wanted to keep it to the same size they kind of understood that a lot people are really turned by those ultra bulky watches true that Android makes the Android wear rock which and that believes where the battery comes into play yeah for sure and so I mean it's kind of amazing that they were able to fit that much into it but yeah something had to give here's what we need we need to get like blimps over specific urban areas and the blimp just kind of rains down wireless power yeah we're coming man I thought your talk about raining down why it's looking into it I know that's already kind of in raining down key so that we end up like gee sorry sorry so it's not Chi it's actually Chi is only let's get technical for a second it's magnetic residents so you actually have to be like stuck on to it yeah there are different styles there's different standards for wireless power where they're broadcasting it like Wi-Fi stuff hasn't really been approved by the FCC yet but companies are working on it in a Paloma to be pushing for some of us that true wireless power to come through maybe some what could go wrong with electricity flowing through the air well they are basically running at the same frequency as Wi-Fi so like basically that's what they argue I don't know if it's actually true yet but yeah conspiracy theorists are already working against this one I mean yeah it's a freaky idea right it's a weird going through your body to somebody else's Apple watch or I remember oh like we would be powering like there's someone behind you with an Apple watch that's a good idea for a movie put a battery in me man I could use it some of these days what else we got okay back into the chat Matt Eldridge what do you think about the OLED on the iPhone X oh yeah it was nice pretty it was very pretty but it's been around on Samsung phones for a while so I'm kind of used to it at this point it's definitely more vibrant they say it's more powerful issue but our colleague Dave Katz Meyer says that's a little bit negligible on small screens like that yeah I'm really looking forward to his like detailed review on that in terms of like the color like the blacks are truly black you know the colors are very vibrant they just pop and yeah it looks quarter they showed me a bunch of photos that they took with the iPhone 10 and it just they look gorgeous back into the chat first name surname Alfred you're the reason the world can't move on if you're that desperate for the headphone jack McClain cousin to expand Alfred Inge is a millennial trying to be a curmudgeon these are both I love this I love you guys also I mean I I don't think I'm single-handedly stopping people from moving if you are Jack maybe you are that's the kind of force you are yeah yeah Samsung watches all these pockets we have an intern watching this just in case we you're climbing the hit list oh boy maybe it's a bad revoir i look i i i think that you know not everybody has bluetooth headphones yet and i think that you know it's very annoying if you're especially if you're like in an older car and you don't have you know bluetooth in the car yeah and you know you just you just have an auxiliary cord Firma from like that little cassette tape thing that works like magic somehow yeah the cassette thing that has the aux cord on yeah I know I have no clue how it works but it's it's amazing that's the sign of a true millennial mobile yeah it changes that whole game though would like the aux cable yeah that self that was a battle before amazing but no I really I I think the headphone ports are great I think if you use bluetooth headphones that's awesome I personally don't like having to charge my headphones also yeah that's the thing that's so that's so annoying to me yeah there's different we're getting pretty darn good though I just feel like there's certain things that shouldn't be charged actually what I'm hoping for Apple kind of addressed this as wireless charging your your Bluetooth headphones like you've got one pad you put your iPhone there you put your whatever headphone Wireless your bluetooth headphone there they all charge at the same time that's pretty sharp yeah they're gonna be offering a the wireless charging case for the air pods yep so that's their kind of addressing that but I'd love to see just integrated right into the headphones themselves yeah absolutely I've actually never seen people lose their there yeah I'm really surprised about that like I feel like because they're so expensive people like mine payments yeah that's true that's true it's like people ray-bans I've lost like six or seven pairs of headphones and those are cables too but then let me just my personal perspective from the headphone thing just as like an audiophile studio guy it's nice to have the option more than I love both sound sports I know there are a lot of great options out there those are just the ones that happen to be in my possession right now I'm getting used to it but I still kind of miss the days when I can like swap back to my big buckets you know yeah that's the big things you lose the option of switching out I appreciate it and I also don't like the fact that you know when you only have like USBC or lightning the fact that you can't listen to music if you have like a headphone dongle and like charge your phone at the same time right very frustrating let's talk about Wireless I love this comment why Allah in general yeah in general just there's no wires on it yeah storm king asks will will any wireless charger work with the new iPhones as much no you need to have a Qi approved wireless charger and that's a big deal because there are a lot of wireless charging pads and stands on Amazon that are not she approved they're like usually cheaper you've gotta kind of look for legit ones for it to work so and that's actually really the case for a lot of a lot of wireless charging devices like it what the Samsung phone if you buy a non approved one like they'll I don't think they work as well as Samsung actually made some tweaks to its phone so it works better with like Samsung approved for wireless charging stations - did you get to try the wireless charging on their phone no I mean I did play with like moving it up because around the charging pad curious about how long it would take to actually get like a full charge what I understand it's it's a little bit slower than I mean it's definitely slower than yeah it'll always be slower than play I think it might be slower than like the Android version of wireless charging so some other phones turn this already slow so yeah turn that over on its head will in the reverse will apples charging pads work with other non Apple devices shadow Matthew - hey Matt great question I not sure yet cuz it's the the charging pads not coming out till next year and they are saying apples saying but they're trying to put these standards into the broader G community and so it's really up to the other handset makers to adopt these different staff I think a number of manufacturers will start to jump on that train though it should work if it's working through Qi though I mean I can't say no no because they they have a Apple's introducing a little some new technology that allows multiple devices that mate yes and so I don't know that is gonna be it may not be supported by existing products but I assume future products going for might have that same support let's go ahead and oh well great great fill in here from Michael Brown Apple failed miserably by not calling their upcoming wireless charging pads the apple juice oh yeah yes I could make your own charging pad why would you want to Apple to do so go to China go to shows in literally just ask for like after the mock-up of a charging pad is in charge just walk into the city like all right I need a charge bad help me out and just for the record it is that you would take a less than a day to figure that out it is Qi right yes it is yes I want to say key because that's how you see it in like its house in dragon ball he's and Darden yeah but it's cheap they pronounce it Qi and dragon ball as well yeah you would he's the English version yeah whatever when was the it's Chinese for energy right so which is pronounced chief Michael Brown another comment for Michael Brown personally I think all the premium phones are great it's harder to find a bad premium phone these days it's all about the ecosystem and I think Google a pixel falls short oh wow and branching off of that Moran says pixel two will be crippled and overpriced to V 30 it's easy to see why Apple removed 3.5 but Google will make the huge mistake following Apple again you just say that they called compared to the V 30 because I would compare neither be 1000 but the V 30 is very very much geez check out their Android manufacturer this phone I think HTC is right the better comparison would be the U 11 really and use that photo you squeezed from the manufacturer standpoint but from user experience standpoint perhaps they're just because it's kind of top of the top of the dogpile right now what the p30 it's up there it's probably well better yes I don't I don't know I've seen a lot of chatter about the V 30 at least in our chats okay so I think that's the angle they're coming from because I feel like in the US market LG phones are just I'm so I'm surprised that my remember we have a huge international audience no that's insane I'm surprised that Michael Brown thinks that the Google pixel like fall short when it comes to the ecosystem because I've always felt that Google has like one of the best ecosystems yeah if you like Gmail Doc's calendar Google Photos Google home right I honestly I would argue it's ecosystems better than Apple's ecosystem but I think that's a fair argument to make yeah I don't know I mean I don't see where he thinks that fall short but maybe talk about in terms of the family of products that could be a yes you know there's no there's I guess there was a Google tablet but yeah it's only just like the pixel like the frown itself and they've got their Chromebooks I guess yeah but it doesn't really fit along with yeah so here's a really great question from Gorrell do y'all think the pixel will be another verizon exclusive or will Google be able to get more carriers onboarding I'm very interested in that myself because I'm grandfathered in at 18t I don't know I mean I've I think they had a lot of success with Verizon as a partner that's the thing like when you partner with a carrier you do get a lot more promotional positioning you get better spots in the store if they strike deals with every carrier I mean they tried that before didn't work so well but I don't know I I would like to see the pixel broadly available but of course obviously I don't know they'll probably just exclusive again yeah I mean like the inertial was an exclusive with Sprint which I still don't understand why they did that but yeah I mean I could see that happening with Verizon Sprint people like notches I don't know is that what we're calling it now like because there's been like several different names for that little well three on the top I feel like what the essential when they kept here notch a lot okay I don't know where else they call it well what are they sorry yeah just that's a question the next question is we should not let the not last call for questions for this this week we got a good one here from AI pimp awesome name so that a our stuff Apple showed can any other new flagship phone do any of that I know rate question I mean other iPhones specifically those know yeah like the note you mean like the AR kit stuff that you recorder for the air stuff on the front like Anna Mogi and stuff I'm assuming the AR kids okay but I mean in terms of AR kid like I mean they're I guess other phones that could do AR they've been those have been able to do AR for years but in terms of how smoothly that worked that's a little bit tougher say I think the pixel wait and see that's still a stage show no I tried it you got to try it it is freaking awesome is it quick the machines demo I saw I was moving around and like oh yeah did you play the game yeah it's cool that game looks sick I'm super excited and it's not just for the the new phones like iphone 7 iphone success I think should be able to run you expect people to trip and fall though as they're trying to play that probably okay so but to do each other you're moving on yeah place it was fucked up I thought the sports that thing was pretty cool I also really like the whole like look up at the sky get the constellations yeah yeah yeah kind of into that so they look some of this stuff is already out there for the other phones your seat you're just hearing a lot more about it right now because Apple is making a big deal of it well yeah but they're just there it's just done differently it did look like it was just I mean it looks like it's finally starting to get refined I'm glad to say to hear that you got first-hand experience and it's still pleased with it I'm really want us to go take it out and get the real sports stats in real time when we do a review but I'm not Stine to not go to a Jets game for once well I had missed the the sports part so how does that work like you put on your TVs mirror like you go to an actual game and it like and put it out like a player or something I'm guessing the TV screen is probably more akin to that but I don't know what did you see out of it I didn't see him I didn't see a lot of sports stuff yeah I was playing with the games it was like a Thomas the Train I can't imagine it working unless every teammate it's got like a chip and their helmet or something no no because it's really you know Google kind of showed this off with google lens which is we still haven't seen it's basically it's image recognition right yeah and geolocation is and they see it they recognize what that is and then something pops up yeah again I'm excited for AR though that's I'm surprised they didn't make as big a deal as they did at WWDC but the AR stuff is I think like the coolest tech yeah I can I finally have photos with my friends you could have friends even just like put a our friends Oh time until somebody makes that app add a friend use AR to like copy paste I stock photos let's get on that all right wrap it up yeah good week all right if you like to anything you saw or heard here check us out on SEANET our podcast is also available on iTunes tune in stitcher SoundCloud feedburner and Google Play Music see you all next week who else on Sina comm have a good appleís weekend there you go