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hello everybody and welcome to day two of CES 2017 let's see next page I'm is Zach turnham doing what's again by Roger Cheng and Ben Fox will be for giganto sized episode of our excellent bite-size news podcast the 359 if you're new to the show Roger and Ben break down the most important text stories in about four minutes today we'll be talking for a lot more than four minutes let's talk about tmobile first up Roger your tmobile expert let's talk about what they introduced last night so it's really just a set of discounts of incentives really to get you to switch through to their unlimited data plan you know the first thing is basically removing taxes and fees so if whatever the advertised rate is whether it's for a dollar seventy dollars for your plan is exactly what you pay right your phone bill you probably see a listing for the actual rate and then like a whole number of other line items adding up to a huge huge bill and so what they're trying to do is simplify that so what you see is what you get so they basically cut the price again yes actually they so this actually cut the price and absorb the texts themselves incorrectly they've eliminated taxes in their development by the way my headline had it in quotes which is that why splendid you can't avoid tax right you're saying benefit taking the price of the actual plan but it in a mess oh you believe for the customer ultima they they do lose the they don't have to pay the taxes anymore so that's I mean they're paying taxes but yes there are two things that are certain rushed nope great things that are certain weight I'm gonna dance the taxes and tmobile John Legend wearing pink yeah well that magenta um actually oh my god the other the other feature that they announced if you use two gigs of data or less they will give you a credit of ten dollars a month a month a month yeah so as long as you're on Wi-Fi and you're not like bogging other network then I give you another discount well it's not really designed for people who are heavy users right this is for like your father grandfather someone who doesn't use a phone that much really just texts or emails and two gigs of data is plenty of data for them and so it's I think what this is really this isn't this isn't really a game changer at all what this is is fixing the with the last t-mobile one announcement right well they first said we're going to move to a limited data everyone's gonna go unlimited data people were pissed right people weren't happy about that because that was one price like if I want a cheaper plan with less data I no longer had that option so what t-mobile did yesterday was offer enough incentives to get everyone to switch on with that plan god they're simplified plans when comes to that there's also the idea that this is this is when there are another uncarrier movements yes they've stopped numbering these things ever regularly all right cuz they were like up to uncarrier 12 well this woman on Carrie 13 and that's on look at some point where you gonna go in carrier 2025 it's gonna sound really bold and dumb right well my question is like are they making any money they keep doing these added incentives it seems like they're getting additional customers but is it working for them is it's like helping the bottom line at all financially speaking they're actually doing pretty well they actually look the plant the deal with the limited plan is it did raise the price for a lot of people if they had if they were to jump into a new plan now it's more expensive than they would if they had a basic plan so what makes that 2gig model exactly so so they've actually kind of stabilized how much money they made after all the crazy and centers that they threw and early it could look uncannily started to make money it's it's starting to pay off for them yeah okay fine I'm a verizon customer though are they going to start giving me free pizza all right well I don't think verizon 50 back out of that creepy to deal with Dino but i watch creepy took about two weeks that was dead so the question I like to collect two weeks your verizon to the question is well other manufacturer carriers follow suit like I mean t-mobile every now and then they seem to like rattle the cages of the wireless carriers to the point yeah that they change what they're doing so do you think that this is going to change the what verizon or AT&T or Sprint does well you saw a sprint already kind of move to a limited plan and you know verizon has said they're still not going to do it but I mean if you look at the history what t-mobile has done in terms of the various moves kill subsidies kill contracts the rest of the industry has moved in that direction and and really t-mobile's hoping that get to this this point where all mobile data is unlimited you're watching the video version of the 359 on the podcast looks like Rogers about to drop it because that's right most people hold them like the bottom oh he's dropping a beat Wow and I'm done okay so yeah this is the super extended giganto episode of 359 and you luckily and you beat boxes we had a special appearance of brian van delden so thank you very much for showing up yeah right so let's keep talking about that so you had John larger stage yeah did he offer you any style tips cuz Amanda magenta yeah well I've got to I've got bright bright yellow shoes so now there is yeah I've got bright yellow shoes which he took offense to because it's all these carry guys only see colors in like branding like if I went blue I'm eighteen t if I went red we're we're verizon apparently so exactly oh yeah I didn't actually happen but it's like sometimes like you should get new shoes by the way my shoes are awesome and I'm not changed I like the yellow and black shoes thank you thank you good thing why you called Roger the bumblebee Chang doing i will be now and that is so sad we got i as a wolf of course the wimpiest nickname I like it I think it's like I think it actually sorry becoming of you so you look great bumblebee you look right about robots robots are a huge trend at CES this year we've seen all kinds of things LG's got like a whole bunch of them if they're at their booth there's like links the human Alexa the humanoid Alexa thing what do you want to start on this I think LG's got the most interesting things because they're like we got robots in this is now going to be normal yeah well look so that's the thing I kind of take some issues that the hub robot that they announced I thought it moved around and its really she says lily has a buddy doesn't move around it has a face it has a face but it doesn't move around it'll why is that really a robot or is it just a speaker with a cool little gimmick the actual advise the hub it's a little like two parts no man if you look at that way right and it does wiggle and it can turn around but I can't like drive itself you like mine okay but what's the point of similar what's the point of doing that like what exactly why why would you give the thing a face so actually I talked to them about that they said the design was intentional is really to create this emotional attachment okay and it is cute it's adorable so we're seeing that the singing now hover over that there and the weird thing is you interface with it on its face it's a touchscreen it's got two little eyes on it and it gets it's just a fingerprint match yeah I feel like I'm doing something rude when I'm touching its face like a Sorry Sorry interact with that you know what I'm okay fine I'm sold I'm sold I was like I want to swaddle this thing I feel emotionally connected with it now this really feels very good joking about the emotional connection that seems to be a huge thing that these companies trying to do is to have an actual Oh total into these robots yes density people will personify these things if you know they can interact with them in a certain way absolutely if I mean that's the whole this is this is like maybe it's a little too simplistic to just give it two simple little eyes I just I don't really see how that works exactly but maybe people really like it there's also right now we're seeing a video of the the airport vacuum cleaner robot which they didn't mention on their keynote but that is a thing and it didn't announce any partners also a vacuum cleaner what I don't want the air robot and not just a vacuum vacuum please got a face oh I think that's is that CX what's the line is that the criteria what does it have to make it a robot yeah as a face I don't know well have you seen pepper on the floor I like pepper pepper moves around but it looks like a robot it looks like what you would think a robot is it's got like this touch panel oh yeah it looks very non-threatening rights very friendly that was the whole intention is that like it's super friendly but granted if I bumped into pepper right in like a dark back alley somewhere and like pepper was angry I think that would be terrifying because I'm so cute looking you look you bring up pepper and that's Ric is our reporter Katie Collins actually managed to play a game card to get to manatee I can't start out the best part about cards against humanity is just how vile it can get yeah so how can pepper play cards against humanity is a program to be vile and often also that means Oh it'd be the alliant so it does yeah it doesn't offer the answers it gives you the combination and you're supposed to select it and it acts as the judge it's like the MC right so you give the answers and it judges which is the funniest pepper qualified oh it's qualified but how so it has a database of basically every single term in every combination and it can do that because it's a robot right and it sort of stack stood against the best most rule best answers the answer I would like that's not a cool so it's basically using big data what that just means that somebody has prejudged the best combinations and told this robot this is the way to go that's yeah i mean but it is based off of sort of like crowdsourcing so they can change then absolutely okay so what's interesting about that too is that like why would pepper do cards against humanity it's another one of the like going back to the original point of we want to make these things have an emotional connection we want people to personify them in a certain way we want people to keep interacting with this stuff so that's why you see certain little things like cards against humanity that's why Alexa tells jokes in different things like that so I think we're going to see a lot more of that kind of stuff from robot's voice assistance just to get people a little more comfortable with this stuff you know like it's still very new to a lot of folks I find this very troubling because I thing ember they Sony AIBO dog robot people had a whole bunch of the thing is they're becoming sad because they're trying to repair them and there's no longer part so they have an emotional connection of these devices and they're dying also the devotion by 20 or 3d printed parts that people actually 3d printing parts to save their I bows so these robots that people have an attack red of all yeah because it's you're creating this emotional attachment you're also causing grief to put people so be aware of that you're buying delayed sadness anytime you buy anything oh my god people don't start burying their robot dogs they recycle them let's go into the next big thing we've got all kinds of stuff it's on Ben's list what are we talking about here so the next big thing was yesterday with Brian Cooley and Lindsay Turrentine up it was this whole big effort about the smart home how do we get the smart home to be much more significant one of the points that I thought was really interesting that was mentioned there was a lot of these smart home and home automation features maybe six or seven percent of the u.s. population is actually interacted with them so far upwards of ninety percent of folks haven't talked to Alexa they don't really know what a lot of this stuff is they don't know how to turn on and off their lights using their voice so there's this enormous amount of opportunity to get people to really start using the smart home a lot more so you see but I also brought up that being security concerns right that that was sort of yeah issues yeah they showed this mr. robot video on stage that was just kind of this this terrifying potential of everything that could possibly go wrong in a fully integrated smart home where this woman was in the shower well you know they some hacker like made it really really hot and she had to like get out of the shower all of a sudden the alarms were plastic and she was on the phone with some text somewhere and they said well you know just unplug it unplugged the system you'd be like there's nothing to unplug it's all in the walls so eventually she just had to leave her house and you know the mr. robot people took over whatever but this was just this kind of scary notion of you know as we automate more things as we add more Wi-Fi connections into things but like a worst-case scenario and like it could be you know potentially even worse this is like this is even worse case scenario though right like we saw that with a botnet attack last year right these these connected devices were all kind of put together a sort of an army of botnets that took down the internet right so there's definitely I think a legitimate threat there I think that's part of reason why a lot of people haven't tried the stuff it's a little scary right a little intimidating so and the privacy concerns are legitimate yeah and and in fairness to Google and Amazon who are on stage they said anytime we develop these platforms we do it with security is paramount you know they're obviously very mindful of the fact that this is new technology they want to get people interested in it and they want to get people comfortable with look it's the thing of it is is yes Google and Amazon these big companies have lots of resources to put into security where you get the trouble is with a lot of these smaller companies that are building products that don't have the resources for for security you know their their focus is building a product getting it out selling it Praia majan for a lot of them security and privacy are fairly low on the totem pole they may not say why they may not say that but it's clear that allows companies are not think about security mumo specifically reference that and they said it's incumbent on us to really try to find these smaller companies and help them can give them the tools that they need because it doesn't help us if there are these botnet attacks if it really kind of hurts that situation one other thing that I want to mention that was you know kind of reference that the next big thing was this idea of like what does the future smart home look like and it's basically everything is automated so we talked about like what could go wrong if everything is automated well we have this cool video about well you know here it is right here you basically walk to your door it unlocks it opens for you the lights turn on the blinds change exactly how you want them to be the oven turns on and you know you can you can start cooking your food the refrigerator tells you what may or may not actually start going bad so maybe you want to make a salad tonight something like that so it was all you know very integrated from front to back and it I don't know I I thought it was kind of cool obviously we're a couple years away from that but I don't know what do you guys think would you want to live in a house like that of course I do I live in a house like that now no you don't want that all right we got we're actually running out of time you believe this is at all all right let's talk about smart pajamas that we're talking about to our PJs we are talking about under armour okay army about it cuz I I saw this and I'm like why would you pay 200 otters for pjs cuz you know you're comfy but two dollars yeah well that's then this is sleepwear technology apparently this these are some very expensive pajamas but hundred connected they're not connected fortunately the cockers cannot get your pajamas good to know this fortunately I know what it does is get the special fabric that absorb some of the the far infrared heat that your body admits and transfers are back in and it's supposed to promote better sleep and better by recovery now this is something I talked to Tom Brady the pictures quarterback is that right yes so under armour partnered with Tom Brady to basically pitch this is going to be the subject of the under armour keynote the CEO is speaking later today at the show so Tom Brady is pitching pjs for Under Armour is this correct and this is this is correct this helps your technology is going now called the ultimate recovery sleep where this is like you know adult you recover technology is is a hot hot trend right you see you know I've heat back haha iphone and night you know I thought sorry guys uh look derail a lot of these companies are looking to you know they're there are motion trackers for sleep there in the bed you know there is a night motor night vision for a nice shift what is night mode for iphone right oh yeah the technology companies are increasingly conscious of the fact that people need to get more sleep better sleep and as a father of a nine month old I completely agree and hope one day that actually happens we try to cram in the PC talk right now what do you think guys of course all right let's not a 359 experiment as much as possible we're talking about pcs personal computers right now no okay so there's a good stop the deli there's a dell latitude 7285 it's one of the first laptop from dell that actually has a wireless charging base I've seen that stuff on the floor call the longest time Intel's I was like wireless charging and charging we're gonna have it in laptop like when when when it finally I wait but it's a fairly large base I mean what yes you just keep it that while you just plug it in it's not a gun right not that much harder to plug one are you come on what is your beef with wireless charging i know i love wireless charging it makes sense for phones where you could move them around it like get charging at starbucks or whatever but this is this is just moving the charging plate around if you took the lap line you'd have multiple plates i'd imagine that way you can put your device down right away plates you're gonna have three maybe you could buy a laptop bag for your plate yeah a separate bag though okay okay what you guys are ridiculing this i find it to be a good thing that is cool when I go to my desk I put my laptop down I don't want to plug in a whole bunch of stuff affected to have wireless USB which it's not it by the way the plate has to be plugged in you realized that right charger yeah no I'm just saying yes no wireless charging they're truly wireless it's not very good Tesla situation where this I just think it makes less sense or a computer than it does for phone I don't agree at all i think those things should be built into desks at some point where you can put that down yep that's the dell there that's a tune one instead of taking it apart right now in the video and they're supposed to be a charging plate as well for it i still think that wireless charging because there you go there's a oh look at that could you imagine who that baby move how about that a lot imagine you go to a board room and there's all these charging places I've having like these ridiculous proprietary you know I excited for whatever else you have a good point if they have them built into desk that that sort of integrated vision of future that I can get behind for sure let's talk about future stuff a little bit more let's hit razor because they had a crazy crazy laptop called Project Valerie it's a concept device now Razor does they show lots of concept devices right and sometimes they never come out but then you're like razor will come up with this and here's a laptop so awesome and so we've got this three screened laptop and the the what yes oh yeah those two screens pop off the sides and this is enormous they actually have it on the show floor there's no plan for this to actually come out by the way is no product release data this is not meant to like I feel like a lot of these gaming coupler gaming laptop companies that's what they do with these shows they come out with the craziest funkiest product trying to get the attention and then wait and then maybe it shows up we'll see I mean it is pretty amazing i'm not even gamer and i kind of want one it's fantastic looking i like the idea i don't think i would ever buy it okay I think I one day one day when they're like rollable I see that happening a lot but I just I do like the idea that they bother to do it because that's crazy that's great engineering it's a it's right it's a nice show piece it gets their attention but if they find out that people actually want this razor is crazy enough to do it I think yeah absolutely they might charge like seven thousand dollars people I guess someone will buy gamers will buy that thing yeah or if you're like you do a lot of cad work or video editing like you have this thing on you I like here if you're writing stories for seeing it yes rejane I could actually see how I would you use that it's that would be awesome I like it and I think that's gonna have to wrap it up for us guys you think so all right all right you can find a 359 on itunes soundcloud google play and of course cnet com for the 359 podcast I'm Maya's actor I'm Roger Cheng I'm Ben Fox Rubin next we're watching