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Ross rush to know you there Jeffrey how you doing lovely lovely yes let me ask you something Jeff are you aware of how much i love the band third eye blind ah did you know didn't think you're gonna start things off like that but go on I'm intrigued eighteen-year-old jeff has his ears perked up because I feel like 18 yo Jeff was a little harder to hard it was for third eye blind I was I know those guys were pussies and yet it turns out that they are the time was banned and your lupus tanks and whatever you ever stuff all I never listened to Hoobastank it was a bee who poppy anyway go what anyway trying to make you I was at when I was at a wedding this weekend and um at one point the bride and groom clearly you know how when you hire a band they've got like their standards set and then you could maybe have them learn a song or two to like add that are like your special songs one of the special songs the bridegroom requested was semi trom kind of life how do they know that already that is surprising but i don't think i've ever heard it at a wedding have you ever heard that song a wedding and as a matter of fact i'm sure you haven't because this occurred to me while I was dancing and singing aloud to it on the dance floor moderately intoxicated there was a small four year old boy running around my feet yeah as I'm singing at the top of my lungs about crystal meth and pannies coming here he had a very that intense dark song it is but juxtaposed against an overwhelmingly cheerful beat and and that isn't a shad harmony man doo-doo-doot-doot doot-doo it's really uplifting and I love the song and I still love the songs all right might not might not be super appropriate for a wedding going audience the kid didn't seem to mind actually obviously a little kids knock I didn't understand I was a team in that song came out I didn't understand what the hell you were up on meth yet not yet I mean eventually but I wasn't uh I was in fluent in New it did it the words do God go by very quickly so it's possible a lot of people didn't notice but yeah I think anyone did I think only people notice because back then that's been like CD booklets had the lyrics and so on read it was like oh wait a minute this all necessary this should not be on the radio maybe this maybe this prodrug agenda song should not be on z100 that's pretty funny ah i want i wanna before we jump into the show i want to take just a moment if we could please okay and i wanted to be able to take a moment just to say how much it means to us when you the listening audience of our fine program when yet when you make that extra effort and you spread the love about our fantastic show I won't have to present agree Jeff you've made a very good point that I second and third even right um doing stuff like writing reviews on iTunes huge huge subscribing to the show on iTunes or your preferred podcasting delivery mechanism it's pretty major all that stuff is actually super super helpful to us so if you dig what 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now cats it's you me and listen okay if you own an iPhone you may be surprised to learn that the way you interact with it could big could hear ya could potentially change forever with the introduction of force touch feedback that's probably we stress the word probably going to be included in the iphone 6s and whatever the hell they're going to call the new ipad that's going to come out next month I guess you over so we I think it's ipad air 2 I cash out no no cuz it's bigger than the ipad air yeah i got air is the normal size big ipad is the mini is the ipad air which is like to do a traditional ipad right and then there's the super ipad oh you're talking about a bigger I the bigger iPad which has been rumored I don't think it's going to be announced yet but right that's the there's the other rumored I had there's a lot of rumors rumours that Apple's not even gonna upgrade the ipad air this year which I don't think they need to yeah I've also heard that they're gonna kill the mini as a line have you heard that uh I have not heard that I think the many does well I love them a lot of applications where the mini makes a lot of sense where the regular sized iPad does not regardless whatever these new items are uh it sounds like force touch is going to be involved in their functionality that's pretty cool so you use for stock I don't because I think right now correct me from wrong it's on the new macbook pro right and I think it's on that is it on that you watch it it's on the watch yeah and it's I think it's on that new tiny macbook am I wrong about that it's on the new Retina macbooks the Pro and the 12-inch okay they have forced touch-enabled trackpad right if you don't know what the hell force touch is it's a technology that combines like a prop so a presser a pressure-sensitive display or trackpad sure and it uses haptic feedback underneath yeah so there's like a essentially a vibrator underneath the screen right that when you click down on something or act or something it sends a met an indication back to you so you feel in your finger right so there's that sort of interactivity where you you know the same not that dissimilar to the force feedback you get in the game controller yes um so you know it's it's vibration based on visual cues and a lot of it is the net rumble stuff depends on how hard you're pushing something or how long you're pushing something yes and that essentially opens up the range of functionality to X amount of possible you know outcomes and you can control things more elaborately and get involved in like I don't know if you're using a paint program shoreham you push down way harder the brush size is bigger than it would be if you tap lighter that sort of thing yeah what would your you know it's interesting because that was a very skeptical now because I feel like the force touch stuff uh the obvious part of it is that like haptic feedback like making you feel the whatever the click underneath your finger but that's true this the touch sensitivity is another big part of it that you really don't get sure it's like a normal iphone screen or whatever totally um I'm gonna be surprised how that play I mean the iphone could obviously do it I don't know if do I pants vibrate uh yeah I don't know if they do man no like what I don't mean I knew I good I could sure I'm gonna say they don't my ipad air 2 which i believe is the newest one yeah I do not believe it vibrates yeah it's weird though because you think cuz that like when you're tapping these things it's not clicking in like there's no movement at all right but it it replicates movement I like tapping that it's like you're looking into a mirror back at you and there's an evil version of you in that mirror and like you reach out yeah and yeah and then you know you realize you're on mushrooms and you should just go for a second that's the exact situation that's that's exactly what happened but this weird I mean for me and I guess the big takeaway is like all right well is if this is going to be the next selling point for the new apple stuff I don't I'm not it's cool but I don't know that it's gonna move hardware which is normal because it's a it's an off year for them it's right it's not except it's not gonna be the seven and it going to be a success and usually people I think people that are not like super techy but like us consistent phone should get the phone this year cuz this is the year that like they solidify all the like nitty-gritty aspects with the current design and they might not try a ton of new things but you're going to get a very consistent phone where is usually you know the year that I've wholly new design comes out presumably next year there's more potential for like some issues right antennagate thing that happened there you know the the in between years i like to call them are basically refinement yes where it's usually something under the hood maybe a look you design tweaks here and there but mostly you're getting what the original number upgrade was yeah with a more bells and whistles yeah I'm not so over-the-moon excited it's cool tech I'm not gonna buy a new phone just because some evil little person is in there clicking back at me what is your crazy bird I don't know what yeah just some like gnome inside a little no magic no David the gnome is in there with this little cone hood pissed that I like punch the Fox in the face it is yeah for me like I won't lie i've used force touch to me in my opinion it is the most gimmicky of Apple like you know innovations in a while it just it feels very gimmicky chair I I get it there are like other uses for it and in it is productive in some applications but for me it's it's a little gimmicky yeah and hokey in a way yeah but uh but that's what we know so far obviously you're gonna want to file Cena for the latest on the next iPhone uh I think right now we're thinking like very early September they'll probably have their miss EMS enter thing out rest and what will have much more when that comes I don't want to spend that much time talking about Apple I'd much rather talk about oh my god is it terrible to work at amazon it's did you read this article I didn't okay so I'm familiar with your stories so New York Times wrote this really good piece essentially interviewing I think a hundred former current and former amazon employees and you like first off I want to know what's the breakdown what's the ratio my any the impression I got from the article is that Amazon allowed a few select so i'm gonna guess maybe five to ten few select senior employees to talk to the new york times obviously very trained and prepared for the sorts of questions sure um the upshot of it and you should definitely read the article it's long but some really good stuff in there so long is that essentially amazon is a very competitive place to work and in a lot of ways that has manifested in some pretty callous attitudes towards some employees like the woman who had a miscarriage and then was basically chastised for not showing up to a meeting the next day it's pretty Tara and there's like numerous instances of people complaining about there's actually a story about they do these annual talk back to Jeff Bezos things with all the staff and frequently employees would say you know the work-life balance is not great here and he'd say something on lines if well it's not like we're work-life balance its work-life harmony which is really kind of BS the inside quote is that it's more like work comes first life comes second and finding a balance is really not a priority it's messed up yeah it's really pretty harsh so so the story comes out it doesn't really shocked a lot of people that are in the tech space that like have certainly heard a lot of these stories that it's a very intense hardcore place to work as a matter of fact former Amazon employees are trained to be so intense like employees that have been there for five years that when they leave some people refer to them as am holes because it has been conditioned their conditions like challenge you in meetings and all that stuff which I mean you know the lovey-dovey like stuff is not very helpful for like a growing business but there is a level of diplomacy that's sort of required in most businesses that maybe amazon might be ignoring Jeff Bezos for what it's worth came out the next day with a memo uh to all the staffers but obviously this got out very quickly uh denying a lot of the things that were said saying I don't recognize the company that's discussed in the new york times article if i worked at that company i would quit right which is pretty interesting but i think the really interesting thing is i read this article saying that the CEO is usually the last to know right this stuff is going on but essentially if you make a culture that's intense and competitive and like this it's not going to reach the upper echelon that like oh this you know mid-level manager had to come in after having a miscarriage and I feel like a lot of companies that have this sort of culture the the the sort of like work conditions that they created have this built-in thing words like all part of this master plan is not upsetting the CEO like keeping him happy here she happy and and leaving it at that right which makes sense they they even have a system in Amazon where you can uh review your M your compatriots or a fellow employees okay through the phone real anonymously just the way they can so you can basically be a view a product yeah so you can basically give them a star gold star you did great i love you in this meeting this is a great idea or you could like say this person's coming in late this person is bubble bum so that person's manager will get that review know who sent the review but um it's the obviously the person who is being reviewed as has no idea so you saying amazon is treating all of its employees like like pop meetings right exactly even worse people are making vote groups where they will essentially say like it's like survivor will they'll say like hey I'll about you you about me it's just a ring of people how could they not understand that that's what would evolve it is crazy to me but of course that seems like an obvious outcome is that people are just gonna abuse the system uh I have a few friends that work amazon I've not really spoken to live a ton since they started working there I don't know if that's because they're very busy or because they're not allowed to talk to anyone right understood um they've been replaced by drone brains perhaps so it's horrifying though it's really scary and I love amazon as like a product like course i love that site it really is amazing site but what does does our friend Louie CK say what's that nothing great can come without suffering mm-hmm right and it's really is true yeah I mean on these scran sweeping you know ideas yeah it is kind of true like someone somewhere think about what Amazon does mm-hmm okay think about that intricate network I can order something right now and have it in two hours yep in New York City New York City lesson is some people get out an hour crazy okay and what that require and what that requires and how many freakin human beings need to be jacked in yet tirelessly I mean think about even even okay put it this way like even on a bigger level where it's an outside of Manhattan where they're starting to do like the one day stuff yeah where you order something by like 2 p.m. and you'll get it by nine and that's like in your freaking house yeah there's like drop cars and vans and that get involved in that it's not just like a guy on a bike right coming in and saying you know so think about that like they are achieving what feels like superhuman sort of ideas right and what they've got humans behind it there's even a CLE there's this story about in Philadelphia where during a particularly busy season there was a warehouse that the AC I guess shot off but they didn't have AC or something like that and they had an ambulances parked outside of the warehouse and whenever anyone would drop they would take them to the ambulance drive away and keep working they were so ready for people to just like pass out from the heat there was an investigation is AC was installed but it took that for someone to realize hey this is worrying so it's a very intense company and that's the thing is like can you give up your I got my toothbrush uh in an hour you know well that's the thing right it's because there is this faceless pneus Amazon where it does feel like it's just a bunch of ironic cuz that a logo is a happy face right it where does feel like it's just a bunch of like really smart robot yeah like going in a warehouse and picking all this stuff out I don't know how they do it and now it seems you know our ignorance is like catching up with us words like all you know what like maybe like they are creating a really hellish work environment for actual human beings how many people had to die to make fun dip that's my question enjoy that's a great idea that multiple packets you have the edible stick so many people had to die for that show like what are the okay so what's the fallout like what are the different ways you know we can look at this and say how does Amazon move on from this sure like and and everyone who's listening to this is like well I want to lose product I hope right like I don't want anyone to die right but I of course don't want to lose Prime either and then anyone that's holding stock is like oh I don't want to lose my stock value sure I mean this is a major story and it's just so funny how like you know hindsight's twenty-twenty like of course someone has a terrible rare they're too good to be you know all cheerful and it's especially funny because you consider that most of the products that are being mailed through Amazon are made by people that have it way more terrible than them it's true so you know is to laugh it off but like it rolls downhill man so what's like what's the takeaway I mean I think they're probably has to be new corporate structure that like prevents this stuff from happening I know comcast obviously ran into a lot of heat Reese like about six months ago with their calling systems and they were getting a lot of heat for how callers were being treated with their customer service and the CEO stepped in is like clear there's something wrong here and you know I haven't heard a ton of those comcast stories since so it's possible that you know they just need to strategically take a shift and they might be more gun shy about making people work weekends honestly I believe look working weekends has to happen every once in a while but if you're working you know 80 hours a week you're put product if ities plummets after probably 6 45 6 50 60 yeah there's a diminishing return definitely so I look ease off guys I can wait an extra hour to get by you know little buddy for yourself damn it okay cuz that no ice my mile thing is like all right well so then Jeff Bezos comes out do we take anything he says to heart like do we believe this guy I mean I believe the line that like if he worked at the company where they were doing that stuff he would quit and I believe all that stuff but I also believe that everything that was said in the article was true so I really think that he's just very siloed from the rest of the company the the the you know we were sort of getting the summary of this new york times article this expose they did on the amazon amazon Amazonian work conditions yeah from vox and vox kind of breaks down a lot of the examples and bezos's response and whatnot and to me it's like all right whenever anything happens with amazon or like whenever they seem to hit a hurdle I'm sort of like roadblock they within a very short amount of time jump over it and then jump over like 19 others in the same leap so I feel like that and that has to be at the human expense of someone yeah like their innovation and I again this is all like hindsight but their innovation just seems to be this amazing superhuman power house I don't know like look we give Apple a free pass because of for Foxconn like we just do yep so I'm not saying they don't deserve it and I'm not saying amazon deserves it but like where are our priorities here it was a little funny that like the day after this story came out amazon announced that they were paying Jeremy Clarkson the host of Top Gear who punched his producer in the face 250 million dollars to for a new development deal yeah that was pretty funny it's pretty funny timing god bless supporting the workers guys yeah I don't know I don't know I I really it's tough to understand the fallout because of bezos's response and like the sort of impasse that that's created right yeah amazon what's your deal it's a see any way through it all right before we hit the brake Ashley Madison back in the news because that big old dump of passwords and user data all 10 gigabytes of it that was threatened to be uh posted were sort of ransomed if you will if you will um was actually yeah it was dumped on a on on an onion address accessible through tor yep which is uh you know basically access to the dark web the Deep Web yeah they released this because they basically threatened hey shut it down or else and this is the or else you know it is you know it's not you can't go into google and type whatever a name and expect to see its subscribers to Ashley Madison come up have we mentioned what Ashley Madison is do we want to remind me most people know that Ashley Madison is a website that encourages you to find a person to have an affair yes yeah so it provides that connection service so obviously I with that comes you know your address and and credit card information stuff like that and a lot of this stuff was leaked and so for people that really want to search this stuff out you can find it at top of the list as it happens was an account name called Jeff be hockey fan New Jersey which I thought was really interesting I don't know what you're talking about I have no idea what you're talking I did find it funny though when you think about this site they actually were sued Ashley Madison masood recently because it was uncovered that the vast majority of the female profiles on the site or fake hmm and just as a way to encourage guys to sign up so all of these guys that got caught um were really probably did not have an affair but were certainly actively looking for what they went far enough yeah here's one person his his profile said I love it when I'm called and I'm told I have 15 minutes to get somewhere or I'll be greeted at the door with a surprise maybe lingerie nakedness I like to ravish and be ravished I like lots of foreplay and stamina fun discretion oral even willingness to experiment smiley face holy crap you just told a bunch of dudes that that have no interest in you whatsoever and no women are reading that it's really pretty outrageous so I want to get the numbers about the male to female ratio and i also want to find out why apparently teen thousand of the users have addresses email addresses that end in dot m IL or dot govt yeah I thought I saw that too and I was not super surprised um I wasn't surprised about good i was surprised about a mile actually i was surprised the verse vice versa that because if you think about it you know you're on base you're potentially you know you could be stationed across the country or across the world right I'm not allowing it or saying it's okay but it does not really surprised me of that there's a lot of demand there I mean right you are you are alone your base it's not you're not you're sort of in isolation but also I would say like when you just go to a normal dating saira normal hook-up site you know time and what do you but what do you need to go to this specifically the one where it's like I'm a changing yeah I cheating right I don't you are you unless you really want women that are like into that and cheating aspects strange it is it's very strange um and also the big question is like all right well why did they not just dump this on the free web and instead the dark web right web that's a good question that is a good question what i've read is the big part of it is basically not being tracked it's very hard to track things that are on the Deep Web which essentially like a private web server nothing super fancy or like like we're a success it is not fixed address if you have like a bunch of friends and a server you have a deep wet sore like it doesn't necessarily mean anything sure but yeah it's very hard to track um you know IP addresses are not like readily available plus I think it it's a potentially more lucrative um situation if you are if you are though the people behind the hack sure you could probably sell that but they didn't they just gave it away for free they gave it everything away for free yeah the whole thing the data yeah it's just a big data dump they're not in for the money thing it's just like crash overdrive they just want if they may shun will be free right free the information hack the planet interesting well there you have it a lot of nutty stuff going on with the security and whatnot uh all right we're going to take a break when we come back it's time we discussed the controversy hitting the internet this week when it comes to joke stealing and social media major topic of discussion this week on the internet will have our take on it when we come back stick around you know Jeff I'm not really the most web friendly guy in the sense that like you know I don't know the bells the whistles how to make that like in construction spinning gif on the web I don't know any of that stuff you are essentially illiterate essentially is what it boils I mean there's no need to say essentially but yes you are an illiterate HTML completely clueless person when it comes to web design yes are you not 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okay so you were looped in yeah and there's there's a another personality uh f Jerry f you see that letter Mary okay um who does a very similar thing and what it looked like as i did a little more research I went to his Instagram page and it really just looked like he was just doing screen grabs meme that's what he does and not funny memes either press like lame like middle of the road in a broad comedy and I don't think that's where like the majority of the um you know the majority of the criticism comes from its the really nasty stuff is the fact that he in many various situations had been lifting / stealing comedians jokes not only republishing them but doing so without any type of credit whatsoever ah so that's a huge issue especially because this is a guy who has built a social media empire yeah to the likes of which he's able to sell sponsored to Instagram posts he was able to parlay this entire internet fandom and celebrity ISM into CA a representation a deal get get a pilot in the works with Comedy Central that's since been cancelled because of the fallout yeah uh it's a big deal and I really just you know completely throws the entire sort of like sharing and social media sort of um etiquette for a loop I mean it's comply what what does it say about our world I mean you hear a joke 20 years ago right yeah you heard a joke you just heard that joke here and I'm sure this isn't the same thing but you heard that joke you be like oh you would just tell it and spreads throughout her mouth Jeremy would be like hey right check this Jukka that'd be like taking credit for the what's when's the best time to go to the dentist 12 30 to 30 yeah what tooth tooth hurty tooth hurty yeah there you go Jeff took you a few minutes so that way why you so much more hear that you hear that that is all the people in the future turning this pocket but uh you know I didn't take credit for writing that joke also here's the thing right like it didn't matter 20 years ago giving credit because you are not amassing a gigantic following which will then used to perpetuate unless you are obviously an on-stage comedian in you're stealing someone's which we has always been a problem since the donut yeah it's much easier to get called out now though because L everyone stuff is everywhere yeah so that's the thing and look like you know I'm I get it I understand doing this like I've done similar stuff in the past and like an Instagram thing where was like I saw this photo I thought was really funny I publish it on my Instagram Jeffrey didn't know where it came from Jeffrey I've done it what if you die i'm sure you've done something so whenever you can lie or as the driven snow I'm sure you are look fine yeah have I done something like that yeah maybe I've done her past but I'm also not use i'm not selling away my Instagram account well and here's the big thing and it's kind of a shame granted he lost his pilot but well that's not a shame I mean no that's that's not the shame part the shame part is that his social media impact will remain unto same yeah unchanged because essentially the vast majority of people that follow him have no idea this controversy has no idea he's lifting jokes they see it on facebook ha funny like subscribe etc so that will maintain the question is will we start to see new systems put in place where people can actually submit um you know copyright requests on things like jokes in the same way that like people submit to YouTube saying hey this is my content and I think winner Twitter actually started talking and saying that that is something that you can now do copyright if if let me look it up but if you see that there's someone using your content there are mechanisms that you can pull to say hey this is my condom like Braves dullness whether it's a joke whether it's whatever but then like that's gonna trigger a whole litany of like vetting and like someone's got to get to the bottom like you can say is really more of a PR move than anything I think the only way to really the only way is that there isn't a way unless you have this like you know sort of like key coded everyone's got your an encryption sorted I mean it's really just going to come down to like you're gonna hit a top you're going to hit the top level of like how famous you can be and you're never going to be able to go above that because the second you reach this upper echelon of like hey I have a TV show or hey I have 50 million followers people thought you know the noise is gonna get louder and louder and you know Skeletor saying there's there's a glass ceiling there is a question you will hit a point where you will be found out and and call the Frog lean forward and essentially that will be when you get this Hollywood blackballing yes kind of feels like this guys getting right now yes I I definitely don't think he's gonna get a show any times so do you think he'll get dropped from CAA potentially I mean if anything if I was his agent I wouldn't be putting him up for a lot of stuff that's if I was his agent i'd be like mr. fetch you i'm gonna go ahead and say you lay low for like six months right and even then like they might put them in touch with people that can like to set up sponsored tweets and instagrams whatever he wants to do and i'm sure they make a lot of money doing that but they'll never like get him on TV do you think there's any kind of matters anymore do you think there's any he's also been criticized because he's never done a lick a stand up in his life either now that's fine you don't have to be a stand-up veteran to be a comedian sure but you sure should have to write your own stuff yes you do uh and he's been criticized for for that he doesn't even like even the little couple character lines hehe ads as commentary to the stuff he's stolen he's not very good yeah so it's like do you think there's any wisdom or beneficial you know by-product from this guy or is he just an aggregating hat I think it's beneficial that he exists and there was such a blow back on it I think that's good because I think there are people that like don't really realize that a this stuff happens and be this stuff is wrong like it's wrong to steal jokes it's wrong to steal other people's content without giving them credit so it's good that he got this big smack on the wrist granted that doesn't take away his six million followers on Instagram but it does at least engender this feeling of like don't be a dick to people so he's got all these followers on Instagram and they're not going to go away anytime soon because the people who do follow him uh they are they're not because they are in love with the personality I maybe there is you know he has used his internet fame to craft and sculpt this sort of persona yeah like I know what this guy's all about I get it yeah arm but I don't think any of those people would hesitate in a second to all of a sudden just abandon this guy if they're getting the same kind of content from someone else somewhere else yeah I'm saying like the the the the service that he provides the void that he feels is constant um you know bombardment of this specific kind of content no where else can you get that sure so people are gonna seek that out from somewhere else yes even if it's fat Jewish if it's skinny Christian whatever it is yeah they're gonna get that they don't care where they're getting yeah and they don't most of them probably don't even know they follow this guy they'd probably just saw a funny photo and right subscribe it's intense man yeah it's it's effed up so screw that guy don't bottom on unsubscribe and you know the world will be a better place I think it's amazing that you know either way what's going to happen is like this will go down perhaps as like the breaking point for like oh now you know the Internet has become a bastion of creativity and original copyrighted works and even a joke that you say that becomes you and that becomes yours and do you think there's like a renaissance of like ownership headed towards emo it is easier to track down ownership like the original person that said a given thing mm-hmm but you know it's a question of why are people gonna care to do that legwork I think as the internet gets bigger and there's more and more celebrities on the internet it's going to be harder for people to just track a lot of that stuff because there's so much noise so and the way like sites like Facebook work like you're just seeing an image or you're seeing a video like you're not really thinking oh how can I you know who originally made this Tyrese Gibson actually made got in a lot of hot water because his facebook page whoever was running his Facebook page as a way to get likes was like reposting funny YouTube videos but using their player in there it just to get like so yeah so long as the system's Facebook Twitter Instagram allow these things to exist without repercussion these people are going to succeed in various ways so I think it just needs to be dealt with at the core of it let me take it in a little bit of a different direction do you think and I don't know how this is set up i bet i could find out but do you think like something like tosh okay like what do you make of that cuz now well he's commenting on landing on the viven uh you know talk soup Joel McHale exactly yeah well now I'm there's gotta be something in place talk soups been on for 15 years sure uh something is okay we're like they either license that stuff or they're able to get away with it because they are a parody yes no so the way legally they get away with a josh is the same way it's actually not quite parody it's um editorial content so your cats actually why they're able to use all those clips without getting permit Shin is because for every single clip he has a dumb joke attached to it he's referencing it directly and he has a dumb joke people are like I don't even need the jokes I would just watch the clips they need the jokes legally to exist on television because otherwise they would need to pay these places or get the rights directly so what right now we could play Michael Jackson's beat it as long as we have as long as we have an intricate conversation about what he wants to be I wonder but and specifically only that yes I wonder how it breaks down when it comes to like you know just to play devil's advocate could the fact you say something similar because he's doing some kind of editorial ization in the comments after he posed something potentially but it doesn't you know make the you know if the core of the content I know what you're saying is it's a packaging thing right and what feels gross and what feel doesn't feel gross in the case of like Tosh yeah I think there's a little bit of a borderline question there because these people aren't getting like YouTube rights or YouTube attention in the case of the soup I think there's a lot less of an issue because it's free advertising for the shows that he's talking about right but here like the people that he's stealing from do not have any benefit whatsoever there's really none so you know he's a jerk well yeah it's it's a it's a crazy story and it's only going to get uglier because a lot of these guys are going to start hitting hitting it yeah okay let's move along just a little bit this is freaking out of control crazy uh I guess this just sort of resurfaced this report from 1947 yeah it got it got Declassified so this is a report the from San Diego California July eighth nineteen forty seven and essentially it's an official FBI report about UFOs I'm pretty interesting so it's an actual dossier it's a dossier so an FBI agent essentially was asked to go speak to this boy who witnessed a UFO after there was an article written about like his sighting his name was Billy Turrentine a Norfolk school boy and he was interviewed by a special agent where Billy essentially talked about how he was sitting here's the here's his portrayal of it he was sitting on his front porch of his apartment no no no no he observed a large black object moving rapidly through space proceeding from the southwest the Northwest direction he said the black object was followed by two smaller objects which also preceded in the very same direction and it just goes on and on speed of an airplane uh Billy was unable to state what the black objects represented but admitted that they could have been very large balloons but there's no question like what if they're moving at the speed of an airplane right probably not and it's kind of amazing because the guy who actually filed this report writes this letter and he says he says that the letter will probably be ignored because it's all about flying discs and stuff like that but that he actually believed what was going on the the letter is called flying discs security matter dash X and there's a bunch of redacted stuff there's a lot of that stuff it's just kind of amazing because you don't really think of this stuff being like super well documented obviously there's all the conspiracy theories and stuff like that but this is like an official document it's on vault FBI gov / UFO um what's crazy I think the biggest glaring thing is like holy there's so much redacted stuff there's a lot of black marks in this brightness dossier I mean I'm not a conspiracy theorist guy um you know I just think like it's very uh strange it you know it is you know it plays like a really good backstory to a sci-fi movie is what this what this facilitates yeah there's a really good intro to the memo it starts this memorandum is respectfully addressed to certain scientists of distinction and important aeronautical and military authorities to a number of public about the writer has very little expectation of that anything of import will be accomplished by this gesture the mere feet that the data here win was attained by so-called supernatural means it's probably submission to ensure its disregard by nearly all print a person's addressed but he says it's a very serious situation that we have all these flying saucers and I was really doing with them they seem to advantage since then now they're all phones and stuff like that so NBD but it is kind of amazing that there's this just official documentation that's now out there yeah in the government archives you know Indiana jones-style right being pushed down a large hallway it's cool it's it's over 75 years ago it's it's definitely uh I think what's happened is like stuff like this takes on this you know urban legend d sort of like supernatural myth thing and we we see this and were like oh man there's evidence it's there and then some M night Shyamalan movie comes out yeah this is what's going to hear you're probably right right and that's how it all shakes out flying discs bigger than automobile photographs photograph by youth who is amazed that no one else saw it yeah it's weird I mean Richard Nixon was that youth it's here right it's it's crazy because you the the testimony and there's like people have written stuff about this since the testimony is like a little too genuine you know we're like yeah it's a little really are into it right little kid I don't know at a certain point if you're under that swinging light in the FBI office and it's like they crank up the heat you know you'll probably just feel like okay I was with you guys yeah but no is there something that something long just a little tiny bit too disturbing about this whole thing yeah before we hit the next break my goodness gracious we're gonna talk about this last week when Steve Guttenberg was on the show and I'm like man in retrospect this is totally up his alley yeah he wouldn't like that nevertheless Nat Geo has some weight I got to start this first this is the segment you ready yeah what what what weird animal facts hey do you practice that in the mirror face yeah really practice well you shouldn't have I'm kidding that was great you can download that as an mp3 for 99 cents just head on over to sina com perform for uh so the title is article on natgeo is world's loudest animals hyphen bug with singing penis that's right little green there is a bug out there that has a penis making a lot of noise singing penis so you might know that crickets and cicadas make their little common noises by rubbing their legs the other right like a violet with the violin effect yeah not everybody is so blessed with long legs or long arms if you think of a t-rex you might have difficulty clapping for example like what were those arms for like what could that guy do yeah man what like there's nothing he could do because you feel like if he were to bend over to use them he would just tip over and that would be end of it I just don't I I'm not saying then maybe they were like on their way to being useful like an evolution evolution out there like this could be hit you something like another like 50 million years and those would have been like these giant like claws yeah well I think that's what the new dinosaur looks like in Jurassic Park it's just the t-rex with big arms oh where the FTX with big arms pretty scary and hilarious and whores but it's just so stupid like what else could that do besides like knit something really close to your chest that does seem like a very good segment for another time like we'll have to do some research like just what the hell were those arms for I really I feel like you could almost win an arm wrestling contest with the t-rex well no I feel like there's a lot of power within that range those take this talent yeah once your your hand is in that talent I don't think it's going on Talan yeah or is that just a guy hey it's like a hand with long nails on is that a Talon it's just like whenever I picture a t-rex in my mind yeah I have this cartoony like foam Lizzie riding a dinosaur or a skateboard he's just like so useless with those arms that he's just making that like tickling your own chest like that's really all you can do it's just like maybe and you can't even get to the center of your chest yeah just like just nipple area would feels it yeah you can't even scratch his other claw now it's like they've never met it's like trying to touch her own elbow could never cross his own hands with you know same album okay so what about wood t-rex penis or I don't bug penis bug penis this is a bug it is micro neck dust golozzi that's the scientific name yeah it sort of looks like a bead only thing and instead of you know making all the noise he's roughly the size of a grain of rice okay um and instead of making noise robbing his leg together he's got this uh his penis and he rubbed it against his belly and and that's what sings that's my kind of guy um and I guess the penis is probably a little bit smaller than the size of a grain of rice but it's okay he's making it work for himself he's firing away he's making it work with what with what he's got yeah so good for him that's the story of the saying penis sound producing genitalia are relatively rare within the animal kingdom but animals have evolved hundreds of other ways to boost their hoots hells and snaps thanks Nat Geo what what what what weird animal facts hey all right no more singing dicks on this show besides roxa myself we'll be back one more break and we'll finish it up right here on the 404 show stay tuned okay this one's for all of the web app developers out there are you developing a mobile app do you have no idea how to accept payments in any way shape or form that my friend is where Braintree comes into play alright if you are a developer you need to check out Braintree because it is the payment solution used by companies like uber Airbnb hotel tonight livingsocial and monterey Braintree has made the payment experiences in these apps seamless and now Braintree is here for you adding that experience to your own app with excellent customer service and simple integration Braintree gets 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like me very versatile alright we've got a couple things left to hit before we say goodbye for the week tell me about I'm not even gonna try and pronounce this they would say okay let me try okay so this is a little little context here is a new game is a new game new game that appeared on product on its on a few days ago God front calm / games if you want to check it out it's spelled en nu I GI nua G ok not right you like no it's Bob so are you familiar with unweave on we hear an Ouija on weed cheese so it's actually a game that stars and ultra depressed Luigi and all he does is walk around the Mushroom Kingdom smoking a cigarette and having like depressed thoughts about his family and friends oh my come on we is the where'd that come from no so and there are two buttons one is up well you can walk left and right but one is up to have a depressing thought and what is down to take a drag of your cigarette it's pretty awesome so he just like looks up long long li Wang Ying Lee at the flag yeah I was just like he'll just be like damn it what uh my goddamn brother I just can't I can't live up to him he's a poor bastard guys he's had a rough go of things is he not as Donnie Wahlberg a video que yeah and he doesn't even have a reality show he's got some spin-offs that he's had like his haunted mansion uh breaking yeah people seem to like the vacuum cleaner game yet the vacuum that was haunting even my freaking vacuum Clea he doesn't even like me go EG much a mess around on 3ds where no one will ever pay attention to you and all his powers and like smash brothers are like very like you know effectual second-rate there's a lot of flailing going on poor Lou he turns into a board for some reason right cuz planking is still a big thing for him you know he's on he's on he's on the pulse Luigi and so this is sort of like a little homage so it's a browser game it's a browser game IAM and likely gonna get taken down by Nintendo I you know we'll see if they have the time I feel like a lot of this stuff might you know it is parody it is parody it flies under the radar a lot of times too I should they're not making money off of it it's just you know a silly flash game but it made me smile they're not unaware they are not unaware i agree with you finally before we say goodbye and again we're sorry we didn't have time for reddit last week we kind of don't have anything to share with you this week only because we did an early show yeah so we find ourselves in this great paradox not really uh I could bring up a few things before we hit the last thing which is more yep just a discussion area sort of thing um I want to thank um oh who do who wrote this oh I want to thank boo loo Jenkins for writing about the montages that we talked about a week ago when we were talking about montages in Rocky I also want to call at tubed in UK who said that you sounded like a little child when you said you don't like boxing movie set where did he say that he said you sounded like a real dick thanks a lot oh yeah I guess thanks a lot tubed in UK mercy I like that you do like that I wanna oh and then someone else brought this up and we definitely talked about Itzamna doc wrote in and said just catching up I wanna let you know that it's the the reason why the cartoon ghostbusters was called the real ghostbusters because back in the day there's another show which apparently was involved in a lot of litigation I knew about this other show yeah it was called Ghostbusters right as well like two guys who maybe resembled Egon and and Ray maybe whoever and there's like a weird ghost oh ya the monkey the monkey right the Hat yeah very reminiscent of like Donkey Kong yeah and they busted ghosts as well and then apparently they needed to change the name of the real-life ghost bust of the other Ghostbusters to the real ghostbusters I don't know I'm not sure it was a 65 episodes of that original Gus post that blows my mom crazy can't believe they're that men yeah um Neil oi wrote in and said wanted to know what the closing song of our show is um you can't Shazam it because that is a that is a licensed song that we were able to get through our CBS archive yeah thing so we can't we can't even like give it to you because it's this thing we don't own but we'd license for the show so wha that's a bummer of an answer to your seemingly innocent question I want to thank web Chris for posting an unbelievable video series uh that explains the Fermi paradox in a way I could never yeah it's not even close not even close it's made by someone called curtsy got Kurt Scott I don't know i can't pronounce it cameron seems it's German I don't I just can't do it but this a creative person does an unbelievable job explaining complicated ideas like the Fermi paradox I'll link to that I also put that on Twitter this morning big thanks to web Chris for linking us there uh what else I think that's it for for the Sun it's tough head over to reddit.com / r / the 404 and let us know all the things you want to know comment questions whatever it is post it there finally to finish the show why is it Dan can I introduce this segment to explain me like a five explain it like a five did you were you the guy who like did all those you don't know jack like bumper yeah I did all this it's done but uh I just feel like you know it's a regular segment at this point we've done two of them yeah so it's it needs a little theme song you're not wrong why is it dancers yes starving five six seven eight right stead of doing one two three four or five four three two one and find out sure I will also say this though a got a guy on stage a band yeah like a like a Bruce Springsteen yeah whoa 2123 fall right dead dannon it right so why does a dancer go in five six seven eight so uh wait I want to guess okay guess it's got to do something with like the syllables these Nobles of what at the dance of the were of the numbers it's a because you're counting in like a time signature okay so you're saying five six seven eight has more syllables than one two three four because you're a dummy know because it's like a one and A two and A three you know you just added a's between the more wait hold on keep cheap trying the nice but I guys now my buttholes talking inside of my feet uh let's see God did there's gotta be a logical is there a logical explanation is very logical it will be obvious to you once i say um maybe because i got it okay uh it has to do with reading lips who's lipsy reading the the debt the UM the quarry the choreographer the choreographer who's not a vote for the record I'm not cheating again so you're saying you're reading the record we just need to be able to read the choreographers lips okay and by saying five six seven eight which which through lip-reading look different enough to make those out okay where one two three four look all alike okay so by them saying that what is the choreographer then do with that information I don't know it sounds like a thing am I right or wrong you're way off what else can I try one more time one more um it's it's because one two three four is used by someone else in the production and they didn't want to mess with five six seven eight anyone I must want through the four cuz someone else is using it that's my answer okay that's that's your answer did Jeff what's keep in mind that you had somewhat of a musical background growing up and traveled around with musical bands so you would think you would have some sense of musical any though this is dancing yeah but you know music I probably had some fly girls and stuff like that yeah they did totally okay so this is from explain like I'm five which is great reddit subreddit I'd recommend checking it out and this question was posed and crab cake smoothie had the great answer to this question here it is dancers often use eight count bars measures of music meaning their moves are broken down into eight counts like your time signatures one two three four five six seven eight they will count five six seven eight out loud as a countdown to begin so that everyone begins together on one you wouldn't count one two three four because you don't want to start on five you understand so you're saying they do 5 6 7 8 a 1 & 2 & 3 exact or one but they're not saying one two three or four they've already synced it up so the five six seven eight gets them all in sync it's like they're synchronizing their watches so that they all can start on one BAM right so when the five six seven eight denon and then an aetna chorus line we're doing a show here on Broadway yeah makes a lot of sense so there you go five six seven eight and in their hands are like 12 to one where the time's right that's pretty much it I like my lip reading answer better yeah it's terrible but we'll go if you have a better answer I dare I dare you yeah I dare to come up with a better answer hit us up ladies and gentlemen the 404 at cnet com we also have a phone number yeah what's the deal with the phone is it still broken no it's it works but the problem is that uh well look the problem is that a lot of these voicemails aren't really what oh well maybe we should give them direction yeah the yeah okay I have an idea for that I do ready yeah give us your best Michael Caine impression all right and we'll pay it played on the air and we'll compare it to the real Michael Caine will be there at during that show right a guarantee yeah a guarantee that next week I'm sorry not next week the week after next Michael Caine will be there to listen to your voicemails of impressions of Michael Caine but you're not allowed to use that clip from the trip where those two guys do the michael caine and brush exactly okay there you go you have your homework get to it a little bit of housecleaning next week we are off but we will be running a classic show have you what was that like you don't normally go this far back in time when you run these reruns right now this is far back and I don't want to tell people exactly do we want to tell people what it is I think we should probably tell them okay so this is this is gonna be the first time russ was on the show yes and sewed like 89 89 somewhere around there so we're gonna do that for you guys this is back in two thousand seven / 2008 that I didn't think it was that far Jesse only hosting back then to be 08 he was co-hosting like a pleb yeah yeah probably like I wait all right so I I haven't heard this in a very neither i haven't heard it since we did since we did it ah so yeah tune in next week and that will be avail a week from today on Friday and then we're back after that which i think is like September fourth or something like that okay ever that Friday yeah whatever that that's when we're back thank you so much for listening again help us out spread the love review us on iTunes subscribe do what you got to do get the word out we appreciate that and we will be back before you know it until next time I'm Jeff bacala I'm Russ fresh dick this has been the 404 show high tech lowbrow have yourself a fantastic week end and following week we'll see you next time