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pig now I guess I'd be the pig every key nice I'd be squeaky you would be squeaky a squeaky little guy how's it goin listen it's good it's good um it's been an eventful week for me I'm said only into my new apartment as everyone knows and if you recall from last week I had a run-in with a very friendly man named tato who I called taco by accident yep uh you call this poor guy and he thought his name was actually taco yeah I wasn't proud and then this week about two days ago i usually get up around eight i work from home predominantly so i don't need to wake up super early you go downstairs to go hey taco good morning is like now it's tato you asshole no I get a at seven-forty-five in the morning the doorbell rings I like bolt up and I'll meet that bleary I hate that and I like like walk over and like look through the eye hole and it's tato it's standing there and I'm like Hello and he's like I'm here to check your heat I was like okay and I'm in like frazzled I haven't had anything to wake me up and I throw clothes on and I let him in and he's like okay I'm checking your heat the heat where I had the computer desktop apparently the panel to check the heat was precisely next to the computer desktop so in 7 45 in the morning I'm like a mess I'd be like tato be cool if you gave me a little heads up about this way well right I would certainly do that well that's later in the story so I'm like.he tato goes to like move the desktop like no talk gonna be taught to relax so I like gingerly unplug everything and like move the thing away from it and he likes pencils how you like unhooks the panel and checks it out Bob LaVon he's like everything looks fine and he leaves and like I the door closes that I like collapse back into bed I'm like out of it flash forward like five hours later I'm in the lobby and my landlord walks in and I was like hey how's it going so uh there's a guy around here call himself tato don't work here isn't work here tato came by and she's like really know oh yeah that was a mistake I was like why what it was like he went into the wrong apartment oh man show so no one told us because he wasn't supposed to be there Tonto dropping the ball and it's possible that he's just getting revenge on me at this point no way you don't think he's pissed from the taco incident is do you have a thing right now I think we're building some sort of a nemesis you have a few lationship yeah it's a family feud he's gonna start mispronouncing your name I'm sorry doctor I am so tato I know you're a fan of the show do us a favor cut Russ some slack seriously at like 830 I can deal with an 830 wake up time yeah 745 is is just too much for me I wonder if people can hear the Giant Bomb guys going nuts to our Jason sudhi they get excited if ever do games they they do I hope I wonder they can hear us on their show that they're doing i hope so uh if you are listening to our program on a somewhat regular basis you are aware that back to the future month is the thing I mean way way way way isn't what a month did we yeah just by accident we made a month because it's it's uh it's important to us now I know you had a very spectacular day I'm back the future day which is the 21st yeah was Wednesday but for me even though I love back to the future it was too much it was too much it was like it came it reached uh a proposed levy or just like by three o'clock you're just like please God enough already I don't care that someone called someone else about Joe like enough so I felt so going before I knew that I was going to get to interview Bob Gale and alan silvestri I was not looking forward to october twenty first yeah as a fan shows like man that they're gonna be gonna be this into the ground yeah and I'm not gonna let us enjoy and I was preaching that on the show for many weeks leading up to it when I found I was going to interview the writer yeah the composer yeah I changed my attitude and I then sort of bought into it and I drank the kool-aid yeah where the Pepsi perfect if you will and I was like look I'm gung-ho on this I need to be a part of this so yeah I mean I I don't know I started things real early i was sitting so so let me like back it up so they so I go over to the broadcast Center on um on Tuesday yes now the guy i did this interview with his name is Vladimir duty A's and B's a CBS correspondent he didn't also account count Vladamir sure yeah he's he's vampire I know it um so I uh so I go over there and this guy Vladimir i'm always on CBS n with he's like dude you have to do this interview with me he shot this entire eight minute segment for CBS this morning they aired on wednesday morning as well sure where he also interviewed Bob Gale and just talked him and they they spent all his money doing the CG like half a 80 I really made a nice segment out of it yeah when he was filming that he said hey Bob I also i anchor my friend and i would love to pick your brain about the thing if we could dive a little deeper but the lure yeah sure let can i bring Alan Silvestri's like obviously that'd be amazing so fast forward to tuesday morning we get it all planned out we know we're gonna do i find out hey they're gonna have the DeLorean there on wednesday you guys are going to do a spot from the DeLorean as well wow so i'm in front of the broadcast Center this huge box car pulls up and they lower the the thing yeah and what comes out for a freaking DeLorean act like working like a real car sure and the thing pulls out I guess it's just a Dorian write it but this was a this so I came to find that this was a universal studios license replica they used as a promotional tool for when the film came out in 1989 really like this thing was legit exactly the same do you think they started with the Dorian like body yeah okay talk I mean it like prefab like a Volkswagen know this is an actual Delory okay uh and I like I just couldn't handle it yeah it was two monsters I was like so then they're like yeah you're gonna get in it so this guy starts mounting GoPros on the inside of the DeLorean okay and they're like you guys they go to me and leather like talk about what you're gonna do like how are you gonna enter this segment so I'm like all right what are we gonna do so so I'm like somebody find a banana peel yeah someone go get a banana peel yeah so I go to the guy who owns the car it's his guy Andy exec from long islands i guess my DeLorean uh got a bunch custom license mocha audit from the universal i dunno how he came to own the DeLorean is gotta be fascinating first thing is like this is like this thin hair dude with slicked back you know Andy from Brooklyn or after the game my name's Andy Rudy how are ya this is my DeLorean don't worry you touch this don't do me a favor don't touch anything in the car change the times who knows what could happen time circuits are on but if you bang it out wind up in 1830 nobody nobody wants that all right nobody wants that shit so I'm like Andy thank you so much for doing this like you're you're fantastic sport yeah sake don't worry about is my card you ever need a movie prop you ever need a car anything like that you call me up yeah like okay but I cross that bridge i'll hit you up but so we get in we put a banana in mr. fusion sure the whole thing it's awesome so is it designed like the future Dorian yeah it's so it's the 2015 it's the back to the future two Deloria got it okay ah so we do the whole thing it's great and I'll link to that segment up on on on see on the show notes so we get out of there and they go Jeff so this is huge crabs like a hundred people here ever the second and this is a part of New York where like nobody lives or work where is it so the bracha centers on 57th between 10th and all the way so it's all the way in the west and it's basically in hoboken sure nobody nobody goes there yet this thing drew a crowd affair 200 people right away and we're in it we should think it's awesome we get out and one of the producers of the segment this girl and who was fantastic helping us out she goes she goes Jeff Bob Gale and alan silvestri are upstairs they want to meet you before they go on the air with you okay and already my smiles like ear to ear like let's do it so Vlad and I get up there and they're just hanging out anniversaries with his wife the the promoter for the blu-rays there some other handlers are there are they popping bottles they're not popping bottles but they're in the green room and they're just like the two most chilled out I mean I don't know what you expect I don't know what I x1's a musician and one's a writer like well Alan's Reggie has to have like a shitload of Oscars too yeah that dude sure he did Forrest Gump like the shores but he's his primary job is sitting alone in a room writing on a piece of paper little notes yeah I mean so flat and I get up there and they stand up right away in there and Vlad and Bob like knew each other from last week so they're like super psyched sure and I'm like I'm like hi guys and they're just like hey Jeff we heard you're a big fan this is great i'm just like you lost your mind I was like McFly Einstein flux capacitor and they're just like all it's cool you know god will you guys want to talk about what do you have in mind for the thing I'm just and we just start talking up and somehow like marijuana started getting talked about things and I'm like it was lean like a joking way sure joking cuz they were talking about like well you really gotta watch the movie enough times and get in the right frame of mind okay I'm like don't worry Bob in the right form I'm plenty of times I've seen this movie and he goes yeah that is like sometimes you just gotta let loose and I'm like in my head I'm like I can stumble bother nobody else gonna happen like do I need to crack a window what's going on right here uh so they're super grateful we get down we start shooting the segment and we only like seven minutes cuz they're not just gonna block out entire hour for me and let the geek out guys I'll link to the interview it's it's a lot of fun they're super enthusiastic the coolest thing was that they were both very um happy and and just you know the the i guess like the the the novelty of people's enthusiasm about this franchiser has not worn thin on them like they are so over the moon about people who are passionate and enthusiastic about back to the future and you also got to imagine for both of them in terms of like getting crowds of people to cheer from the for them doesn't happen too often no like and like a clear leader Chris really come on Jimmy Kimmel never loses their mind exactly so these are guys that are like behind the scenes guys they obviously make amazing things right but no one is recognizing Alan Sylvester on the street who happens to be like a devastatingly handsome older gentleman yeah who's like great head of hair just like super psyched to be there that really cool they're both they both look great yeah um so we do the thing and it's very sweet talking's nice interview goes well and then after goes off we're just hanging out I'm like Vlad had to go and continue anchoring yeah he's like I'm like I'll walk you guys out and Bob's like asked me more stuff I'm like really I'm like what do you want to know so like I got some really candid stuff room oh I don't think anyone really has ever asked him drop drop something so we asked stuff about obviously the first thing we do is like the Almanac sure and he says the first draft that he wrote yeah was a draft where Marty goes into the antique store and asks for a book and they're like a book what is that what is that sure and they go what format would you like the book on okay right so they so he said we kind of predicted like people would have either like an e-ink sort of thing or maybe super super micro paper like the USA Today right like that kind of thing sure so that was cool he's like yeah we kind of thought like oh all books would be able to change by themselves which is what a kindle and did they say the reason they changes because old young biff would freak out upon seeing that so there's that and also because that wouldn't roll up nicely into a pocket like that that was a big part of our narrative towards the end of the film were like the books contract moving around and you know it's got to be rolled up here um yeah he he told me like he saw really interesting um things when they like when they first got to the set when alan silvestri first got to the set he saw the enchantment under the sea dance and was like I need you to score this and he's like how I do that yeah and you know he just he just said he's like he was so overwhelmed what they were doing he had no idea how he was going to somehow shrink this down into like an orchestral preparation yeah and I thought that was really interesting we asked them if they would if they were asked to be involved in a remake what they say and they were like AB sorry very against it from what I hear ya absolutely not yeah which I thought was it's great and Zemeckis feels the same way like he doesn't want yet ever he thinks like this needs to stay yeah pure um we asked them about why the time machine goes back oh when it gets hit by lightning tip I light yeah we asked them why didn't they just all when Marty goes back to 1885 why didn't they just find the time machine that he that doc went back right Justin siphon the gas out of that and how much of this is like them being like yeah you know no like they had answered like great question and then then as I'm walking out I go I go hey I'm like what are the paradoxes that you love the most like what are the what are the ones that like no one ever asks you but you've got in your back pocket and he said he said two things 1i know for sure he said nobody ever asks about the photograph he said the photograph that Marty has of himself in his sibling and he is disappearing from yeah that photograph itself yeah not the not the subject material in the photograph but the photograph itself is really the thing that should have been disappearing yeah I ever mention a good point no one ever mentions that sure so I was like oh that's pretty rad and then there was one more thing that was like kind of funny uh in the very first scene when the time machines debuted back to future one yeah doc comes out like rolls the DeLorean out of the truck yeah doesn't explain like there's none of room in that truck for the doors who have open and doc to have gotten in and he's like no other real wait hold on it's what he said that's okay but it doesn't matter because he's got a remote control he could just drive it and no but he's in it so he could use the remote control from inside the car no no how does he go I see we means not a room for the doors to go into open and there's no moon roof for anything how's he get in as you know I had a personal back the future moment on my birthday which was last week where my fiance surprised me with tickets to go to a radio city to see the live performance in rockdale and announce a vestry were both airs along with Christopher Lloyd and while watching it the one thing that stood out to me is you're doing this precise experimentation with Einstein your dog and the time difference when he travels through time has them and he doesn't have a second hand on his goddamn stopwatch and he said he said you're exactly right but for the but Bob and I and he says Bob Zemeckis chair the Bob and I thought a more visually aesthetic pleasing thing short was the digital time it is more consistent and I you know I get that aspect but not very scientific I could have gone I for hours you guys totally and I you know the whole time I what made me so happy was how happy they were yeah and how down to earth they came across totally and and yeah it was it was a blast man it was a lot of fun uh so if you want to check out the two videos we did I'll link to that in the show notes I think with that we can safely put back to the future month behind us even though a week from today it'll still be october i think it's fair for us to close the book on uh yeah i'll go back to the future neighbor says I don't think anyone's gonna get excited well I mean we're not gonna hit the back to the future three I'm travel dating you know I've soon unless things loop around yeah so and I kind of sit down like dude you know you like i said to him like you indirectly and we talked about this last week like directly shape the future yeah right so I'm like what's gonna happen in 2045 like what would happen to share more angels the future again right do that again so he goes by the USA Today that came out yesterday yeah which is like the replica sure because they interview Bob Gale and they say what's gonna happen in 30 years from now yeah so go check that out but you don't know who he goes use and then before I said before you're saying goodbye and everyone's like hugging each other like this I'm like this is great this is great he goes unlike thanks I'm like thanks for you know being you and is like thanks for helping pay for my house seriously I present la you need any other help let me know he's hysterical totally fun hundred percent very cool well so there you have I'm happy for you Jeff you know what is killing me what I and I'm and I'm I just need to say this Joe me so crazy I didn't get anything like signed by them did you get a photo with them yeah I've got plenty so whatever and I guess I think videos too yeah so what are you gonna do with the signature I don't know I Jamie cool like fee but I Great Scott or something I don't know I get weird what a great job Scott you do it anyway alright closing the book on that stuff good stuff uh thanks for bearing with me while I geek out a little bit on back to future stuff all right let's move along um this week not just back to feature week other things happened yeah including guess what it's about time fossil it is realized a good segue classic classic watch company yep well they're gonna dip their their hand in the pond of smartwatches yeah yeah how do you feel about this because so what I smartwatch thing has not like I've seen tons of them I've worn a bunch of them still have not been convinced of any necessity remotely close to that I don't like them you don't like them in general I don't like him in general I've worn an Apple watch I don't like the Apple watch I've worn other Android wear watches I don't like them at all yeah but you know that's I don't know none there's hasn't been a lot of established watch brands that have entered the arena sure there are you would argue that like Apple hired a bunch of watch people sure but I happen to like fossil watches other nice um I'm curious to see how this is going to play because it's a different kind of ID I guess they're going like a different angle on the Android wear thing they're circular watches are going to be called the fossil queue line and they're going to start at 125 dollars which is cheap which for a android wear our watches is on the cheaper side so you know again like my whole thing is I need a watch that's always on I hate have like right shake a wrister totally like that but you know I'll give a fossil watch a look I'm not I'm not one of these people be like oh they're finally making a SmartWatch sign me up I'm pre ordering now ya know I want to see just how they implement it this is a no-brainer for them they're an established watch brand they've got to get into this sure yeah I just it's been tough to convince people that there's a market yeah and Apple watch obviously had its day in the Sun and then a lot of people sort of either forgot they had it or didn't want to wear theirs anymore or whatever and they you know it's still kind of troubling so I still think it's in this period where it's like is this the equivalent of 3d TVs still kind of it works like all these companies came forward and they were like this is the future this is what's up you need this thing see I don't say I think the problem with 3d TVs is that there was nowhere to go like a cure mount and that was it yeah had to wear the glasses yeah you know they were it wasn't evolving into like Oh a glasses-free 3d to you know I know those exist I don't know I think the next step the step that would get me more engaged is like you don't have to walk around with your iphone anymore everything's on the line right once it's an independently you know usable thing outside of the phone tethering yeah i'll check that out yeah um okay i'm going to talk a little bit about YouTube and YouTube red so earlier this week YouTube came out with a subscription service ten dollars a month it's going to get rid of all the ads you see on youtube super smart very smart idea because what they did was and like take a step back so what they did was they were like all right at you've been dealing with ads on YouTube for a while yeah then they entered in your and you hate them then they introduced that skip ahead button which is like oh I can handle five seconds here now they're like hey you want to get rid of it all together fork over ten dollars a month which I would imagine is like would be a gigantic boom in revenue well here's the benefit for them there's a few things one obviously is dedicated youtube people that will buy it and be happy to it gets them less reliant on external appetizers they're getting money directly in the way that Netflix and Amazon does right and it puts all the control in their hands which is obviously one of the issues that people were you know youtubers have right now is if you're like a hardcore streamer or whatever and you're on YouTube you have let's say five million subscribers on YouTube you are so beholden to certain switches at Google right whether they promote your stuff or whether it gets bubble to the top or whatever um and you have no leverage whatsoever so any change that they make they're just gonna do and you're gonna be like to adopt right because it's like yep it's essentially like you have this big investment lets you invested a million dollars into one company and you can't take it out right so the money might grow and you might make money off of it but you can't move it to another it's not like you can move it to twitch and be fine so so figure I think yeah I'm sorry go ahead we're gonna I was gonna say I think it's smart for google I think it's a drag for youtubers but youtubers need to have known this is probably going to happen is that they're gonna be taken out of the equation when it comes to making these choices and YouTube you know the internet moves at a very rapid pace and it evolves at a very quick pace it's nothing gold can stay right so you know what what's a what is that nothing gold can stay is that a thing yeah it's a I don't know why idiom it's an idiom it's it's it's a new it was in this new found glory record but it really means like nothing lasts forever sure but nothing gold can stay it's everything okay you know never heard it's from a movie I think okay right I'm gonna I'm standing here tonight I'm standing by that go for it new new news comes out that youtube not only like is forcing people to fall in line with this yeah but they're saying they're gonna completely remove videos of creators who I don't sign the deal will not remove them but hide them which is effectively the same thing right who don't sign up with red yeah don't or unwilling to accept that right I mean that's kind of messed up it's messed up but again although average in the world with it really yeah we're just hosting your content and and you have to consider like so of course they would be hidden because if someone's paying for no ads on YouTube and one guy is like no I want and I want them to see ads like what do you do with that piece of content right you can't show it to the person that just paid for no ads they're gonna be pissed exactly and then YouTube you know who is holding all the cards could be like all right well you know you uh you're just not gonna stream here anymore put your content up somewhere else and what you're really seeing the parallel is Spotify essentially because with Spotify you know the the owners of the content get a very small percentage and you know they don't have a lot of options unless you're like Taylor Swift you're like no I'm gonna take all my songs off here so you know it's it's tough but again the person the company that owns the network that owns this organization that you've decided to become part of has all the control in the world and you could stamp your feet and be angry and be upset but they're gonna do what's gonna be best for their company they have shared with shareholders and it's kind of cold and heartless but and yeah I guess that's all you got to do is sort of like shrug your shoulders I don't think there's a better like do you think there's a better way that Google /youtube could have presented this change to its content creators like YouTube not gonna live or die if PewDiePie goes short so but but there is a general conception of like YouTube being the destination for this sort of content and what you don't want is like 50 of your top creators being pissed off enough and like go to Vienna to go to vimeo that would be there dangerous concern that i mean i'd be curious does this go into like the rev share like what the difference in money they would make I guess it varies depending on like how many videos people are watching it seems like it would very pretty dramatically it's going to change a little bit you know and I would say my guess is that for the top streamers they're probably working on individual deals yeah I'm sure they have individual deals um one of the one of the chief business officer at YouTube Robert I can't pronounce names what no sense mecca's kinsel I'm going to okay says that YouTube will pay out the vast vast majority of revenue to creators but he repeatedly refused to detail what exactly that percentage would be a subscription music services like Spotify payouts seventy percent Apple music pays out 71.5 percent oh thanks for that is representing a half after earlier this year changed to the YouTube partner program terms so that creators would just be paid fifty five percent of revenue that is comparatively speaking that's pretty low yeah I don't know you know YouTube's got a lot of leverage that's a thing like YouTube say what you will about YouTube but it's the best player on the internet yeah it's the best infrastructure on the internet in terms of video searching uh they're holding all the cards man like I'm not saying you know you need to embrace that and bow down to it yeah but until something better comes along I mean YouTube is so ingrained into the fabric of the Internet yeah there's a conference coming to New York pretty shortly it's like VidCon or stream con or something like that I forget the name of it and I got a press release email and there's a bunch of names on it like come to a signing pay $65 to meet and greet blah blah blah and it was literally a list of names of people I had never in my life heard of and it may be because they're not for us super old and I totally get that but what I did was I was like let me check these people out so I went and I like paste the links and like went to their pages and what I found was I've always been a been amazing production value they were not badly produced stuff but what I found was that I was surprised I've always been on the impression that if you you were big youtuber and you got in early and you have like let's say a million subscribers that's something you can bank on like you're always gonna get tons of views on your stuff because you have all these subscribers this is circling right so what I found was there was a woman that had been producing videos for about five years she had a bet a million subscribers and I was looking at her view numbers and the view numbers about four years ago were like half a million seventy five hundred thousand stuff like that seventy percent whatever 750,000 thank you and then you sleep see this tail off where she's and the last week it was like 5k 10k stuff like that and she still has those subscribers but like what happened in the algorithm that was not causing her to stay on top so when you I think a lot of people get this misconception that people can sound of ride this train to the bank and guarantee like oh I have a career for life now you have it's a day it's a castle constant hustle yeah and its social media promotion and its production of the videos and it's all sorts of stuff and for someone that like was so well viewed and then like kind of fell off that's a tough pill to swallow it's it's really tough and I wonder it all it does is like make me think about the future we're like is it just gonna be like this for a while like are we just gonna have these flavor of the week YouTube people who maybe make 200 grand in one year and they're like shit I could do this for the rest of my life but then the next month they only make like 600 bucks like I don't think it's a month a month but I think over the course of radiation someone I feel like her I don't know man if you is there's I think there's always going to be people that are sort of perennial the like Howard Stern equivalent that become like constantly watched like even PewDiePie I think will be around for many many years but like that's one guy I know no you're right wonder why there are a few that I think like have have been around for six years and they've only grown and increased in quality and stuff like that but yeah I mean you can't rely on these fan bases because let's say your content is designed for 10 year olds or 12 year olds or whatever they get old it doesn't apply to them anymore it's the MTV problem MTV's always had that problem of like holding onto people same deal and now you're only a dude you're not like an entire company trying to fix this problem and producing new content you're just this guy tell me if you've ever heard okay of any of the top 15 most popular youtubers in the world ok I'm going to say unlikely but go down the list all right and this is from a month ago sure does it have their subscriber counts tuned uh yeah ok what's the like top number one subscribe well you know who number well guess a beautify number one is beauty sure number ones PewDiePie with get this PewDiePie cumulative Lee yeah has had 10 point 1 billion billion total views 30 9.3 million total subscribers yeah more of anyone on YouTube yeah meanwhile on TV if you have 10 million people tuned in that's like a good that's great like a monster that that's like way better than like probably any mad men is like the tops episode of Mad Men I think got three million peering in okay so like you're in serious company yeah number 15 is que si okay are you counting up from 15 yeah okay never k aside yeah I'm gonna have to bless through these que si is a guy who played fifa video games okay anything can make in Europe yeah yeah I don't know number 14 porta dos fundos know I know portrait de Rossi number 13 raywilliamjohnson know kind of sounds like a serial killer but gone number 12 is just some guy in us in a room with like a sponge bob character okay vageta 777 veg Vicky debate the character from dragon ball z but I don't know who the guy is like what's going what is ok keep going skydoesminecraft no is number 11 minecraft number 10 is Yuya yuy a imagining like a hatsune miku kind of digital girl character but go number 9 i've heard of this epic rap battles ok I've heard of that number 8 I know the fine brothers ok that's like people react to yeah number seven is l rubios OMG no no idea his name's suck like I I respect I respect your pet your ability your talent and you are amazingly popular new tube sure but a lot of these names a lot of them just feel like AOL I am name they sound like shitty hand like you were like tan and you're like oh this would be cool if I put a bunch of extras around 0 2 X 4 20 that's like why is that guy not good yeah number six is vanna ski aiming no number five I want to say this word looks like a bad word but it's something it's hig a slash egga higatv how does that sound like a bad well the first one is that with an N in front oh boy number four is jenna Marbles oh I've heard of her but I've never seen whatever videos is number three Smosh I know smoke I up number two is hola soy german nope no idea I mean a lot of these are probably international folks and it's all gaming stuff too that's what's crazy about it says like games and number one is PewDiePie look out I don't again i'm not i'm not being i'm not gonna be this like you know her much shaking my fist at the computer I'd like I feel old but I totally acknowledge that that thing where things are and it's not like I don't get it I get it I understand what's happened there are youtubers that I like I'm a big fan of donkey I don't know if you've heard of Dunkey I don't know that does a video game streaming it's the one of the very few youtubers I can watch and I watch like the informational stuff like planet destiny does a very good job so I like watch this some of this stuff but they'll like cult of personality thing where people are like literally there were people paying a hundred dollars to get a signature from a youtuber is just like bonkers crazy to me and and they make otoño they can make hundreds of thousand dollars in a day it's doing one of these signings so ahhh it's crazy yeah i mean look when your audience is planet Earth yep instead of like you know yeah a small town in Iowa things change but it's great it's all good it's all good because we're we're traveling at the speed of light towards something great right we're all we're all on this on this voyage together unless it's like it vet horizon yeah where the end is nothing yeah and samuel turns it to the devil maybe I don't know we're hurtling towards something right now we're gonna hurtle towards a goddamn commercial though right because you got to pay the bill Sam you guys were on this antiquated medium we're not youtubing we're not casting uh-huh can we get money from people and we'll just stop doing commercial yeah if you guys just want to send us money yeah that'd be right send to the 404 show care of scenic huh-uh we'll be back right after this stay tuned my friend Russ fresh dick we uh we talk a lot about softlayer and clouds we do all the time they're a staple of the show by now they really are if you want a cloud built for transparency I think clouds are already built for transparency but I think your meaning technical clouds your tea they're not built God builds that good point you want ones that IBM build yes for your company because your demands are unique and you need to have a private and secure cloud infrastructure 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knowledgeable about how to do this stuff you know we I maintain we have a very interesting generational weight position we're definitely on the straddling the to the British stragglers man grew up with nothing no internet I me not nothing but nothing really digital right until you know CDs yeah I guess alright was digital before your watch yeah my watch is pretty much go back down you yeah unbelievable all right we're shifting gears a little bit this is a funny story coming from Russ about being a medieval bell ringer yet so what what I didn't realize and I found this story it was a highlighted today I learned on reddit's new content site upvoted calm which pretty cool content site and apparently one of the being a bell ringer like the gentleman that rings the bell at the top of a church during the Middle Ages was one of the worst jobs in history I can you do you have any idea why I would imagine they didn't have a great way for you to get up there I mean you're probably right like I would imagine like this it was like a rickety s like a like a Batman stairs yeah almost really like shit I really should have been like the donation collector sure I'm pretty sure at that point everyone said sort of accepted the fact that stairs were pretty much the only object again I I get was like you know I wish there was like an elevator wait that has a minim veniam one comes another you just has an ear you just have to like repel up to this uh bell tower yeah is that you call repel up is that the right word I think repel use just come down to him up just climb we're just gonna use climb yeah we'll go with client you just gotta move up that um no good guess though so what year we talk so we're talking Middle Ages I guess this is like 1200 come around there okay I just think life must have been so funny at nine hundred years ago but it's also like it went for a while so so the big issue at hand which seems kind of obvious is that a lot of these bell ringers were getting struck by lightning like it was a very common really was a span of about 20 years where 120 bell ringers got struck by lightning and killed oh my god and why is because bells for a very long time were advertised as being a prevention of lightning when you rang the bell it would prevent lightning strike oh my gosh they would go up during storm you dumbasses the stop to stop the lightning god yeah even in the 12 hundreds if that's the right man was sorry so we're looking the the 121 bell ringers killed between 1750 and 1780 okay that's way too recent that's way too reason for the Darwin of what this is all so Darwin but that's also the same errors like Ben Franklin with his key experiment okay guess what founder found a pattern here right I still don't understand that key experiment do you have any just like any assessment is that a true thing I before night with a key on it no I need to drop the key and what happened because I can read it metal conducts electricity no did the key turn red and that's how you knew no I think the how would you get the key down no because the key maybe he was like the key there cut the lightning only struck the kite when there was a key there and not when he was a baby he's I oh shit I should power the world with that right yeah when I got to that stage yet but yeah and then Edison killed an elephant dude he was such a bastard a big dick oh my god hidden Steve Jobs like you know biggest dicks in technological history and and great marketers and knew how to shut down competition yeah I snuffin him out right by breaking their ankles damn in the Hudson yeah not to their murders of humans yeah so just so people are aware if you happen to work in a church or near church and it's during a lightning storm don't ring the bell and don't play golf during a lightning storm either what if you were golfing was like a like like wooden clubs I realize woods are not made of wood but like if you just had wooden clubs would be fine right I guess if you're in a feel that's not I made the point is that you don't want to be the highest point in a field it was very usually golf courses are flat yeah or not flat but there's not a lot of try at a very intense moment I was in summer camp I was about 11 years old and I was windsurfing and a storm a lightning storm I was in the middle of the lake so when serving on this lake a lightning storm comes out of nowhere like just it shows up 02 lightning storm in five minutes yeah no joke that could happen and I'm like I've got this metal pole I'm dead I'm dead like unlike water do I paddle do I stick my arms in the waters do I liked below would you do I paddle my way back in you like jumped off the sailboat well no I couldn't I didn't want to get in the water because the water would get much out of an entire Lake gets electric you don't know I didn't know I still don't know any of the sediments probably defuse it I think if it's clear like pool water you get our ticket yet dead because I'd like this own contained right there's nothing in a like in the lake it gets absorbed by ice theologians others things but it was very scary for me that is scary man I'm trying to think of the scariest lightning storm situation that I've ever been in a lot of the weird storms that I remember from my childhood our camp related I guess is the summer times then you're outside way more yeah yeah I've never seen lightning strike anything though really yeah i don't think i have you saw yeah okay you've seen in the distance i say i've seen lightning hit like gargoyles in the city example gargle just sits there like what's up I'm bring it on bring it did literally did nothing can take that all day made a dope spark it made a dip spark yeah uh all right we're gonna pivot into a story about um tough tough times working at Google I mean it's nice to work at Google the problem is you can't work there all the time when you want to sleep you need another option so here so like I I read this story it's not a long one um and I and I guess I don't understand it i guess i understand it but I at the same time I'm confused by some of the elements to it it's about a 23 year old named brandon who moved from Massachusetts to the bay area back in May to start working as a software engineer at Google he tried to find a place in San Francisco to live but it was too freaking expensive San Francisco does have higher real estate renting prices than Manhattan for the record uh so he's like screw this i'm not gonna live in an apartment I'm gonna actually just get a truck yeah I'm gonna live in the truck and I'm actually going to put it in the lot the parking lot of Google and that's what we've been doing he moved into 128 square foot truck and he's just sort of been like doing that for a while yeah it's kind of crazy yeah well you'd the like Google the fact that google allows you know has free food and I think they have showers and stuff like that allows for this sort of living any like most normal companies you could not do this because you'd come to work and you'd be like hey where's my breakfast or where's my place to shower and they wouldn't have that option but because all these tech companies are so filled with men at ease because they want people to stay at work and you know not head out all these people aight this is not the only story we've seen there's been dozens of them of people living in cars cuz like that's the idea you're at work let's say until eight o'clock at night you go sleep in your van until seven and then you go to work and take a shower and you're working again it's still a very sad existence who's working at Google the Ford the 2006 for truck that he bought and this is like a box truck yeah it's like a moving van it's like a it's like a Penske sort of situations at the right Penske Penske uh the truck Austin 10 grand had 150 7,000 miles on it it cost him an even 10 grand which he paid upfront when he got his signing bonus you people don't get signing bonuses you get a signing bonus and you just pay it towards your your car van right there your truck house that you're living in he projected that he was gonna break even on October 21st and apparently he did he's got a site up called thoughts from inside the box he's got one fixed cost that's truck insurance which pays 121 dollars a month for he doesn't use electricity and his phone bill gets handled by Google yet but he lives in a freakin box truck yeah he's not meeting anyone that way hey where can we go back to your place sure writing for the best buy egg we go back to we go oh let's just give me man I gotta drive it over here someone actually did some math and figured out you could commute from las vegas to san francisco and still have it be cheaper than living than living in san francisco i believe it it's I mean it's bad I'm going on there happy so the issue a lot of the issue is that there's so much speculation terms the value of the land that I think they increase their evictions by like ten percent over the last year and you have companies like Airbnb which I use a lot they're good companies but the flip side of that is like all these people that would ordinarily be like I need to find a renter for this place you don't necessarily need that you can just say hey I'm going to you know put it on Airbnb make some money so you have all these single units that are just sort of empty and there's no place for people to move in the demand to sky high so you're paying 35 hundred dollars a month for a one-bedroom in downtown San Francisco which is outrageous like it's nowhere near that New York like it's expensive in New York don't get me wrong but it's probably twenty percent less than that it's just I don't know I I mean I just feel like this guy shouldn't have to do this yeah I I know Google like set up some sort of like a dormitory situation no I wasn't aware that uh where they are doing something III thought they were they were figuring out a way to like get people to live there reasonably without hers there's an easy saw when Japan came up with it it's called capsule hotels just live in a tube and that is a sign that is a sad thing I've done yeah those are like coffins they are but is that sadder than living in a van I don't know now I'd rather live in a van than a coffin then a tube I'd rather live in a van down by the river I think it's a little more social to live in the tube community I probably have like dicom you know I guess they rank and yeah to every night's tube night can you hook up with people that are only like adjacent to your tube yeah exactly only fit in your tube oh yes so like how we get claustrophobic with that it's weird but they have little TVs built in mugs for stuff yeah because we're just sardines pack us in yeah we're human being would probably be more expensive than 121 dollars a month though yeah so it will be all right I want to switch gears one last time to a thing that people always ask me about and I don't I never have an educated answer until now about vampire power uh basically the question is should you leave your plum like turning into a bat turning into mist sorry yes go ahead the question is should you unplug your chargers when you're not using me okay I a hundred percent never do no one does but how the geek did and they measured it and they figured out a way to figure out how much electricity sure vampire power is actually using and costing okay so they did a lot of testing by taking this kilowatt measuring device so that basically bypasses stands in between your charger and the outlet yeah you plug it in and the thing can see how much power is being pulled share so they plugged in a charger by itself and the the register didn't go above zero point zero wat something means it's negligible right it's not even worth looking at right so then they finally like well damn we got to get this thing to register something so they plugged an entire surge protector into it ok and then filled every slot in the surge protector with a phone charger okay and only then did they get the thing to register and it finally showed 0.3 wats now I don't know if you are aware of how much a wat Kost now but when you equate so let's say you had this point 3 watts which again is 6 chargers yeah unplugged into the surge protector which goes into the outlet yeah is drawing with no charging involved is drawing 0.3 wats ya any given time ok assume let's assume that you keep those six chargers plugged in for 24 hours a day 7 days a week for an entire year yeah that's eighty seven hundred and sixty hours the entire year and that equals to two point six to eight kilowatt hours which is Kate wh-which is there that what the which shows up on your electric bill yeah okay that would cost you on average in the US about 34 sensing huh that's particular that's great so I don't know like I feel like oh there you go that's solved but I feel like there's this whole controversy over vampire because people didn't know the true answer even if you live in Hawaii right the most expensive yeah we live in Hawaii where we're a kilowatt-hour costs thirty cents per kilowatt hour versus what versus the average in the US which is about 13 Wow significantly more yeah even if you need that it's 79 stands for the year yeah the year now I don't that's great I'm very happy this cuz I have tons of bugs in my apartment that I don't you that I might you cushion I wanna know is is it a fire hazard aight well i'm sure it is a fire hazard but that not was saying well first of all I want to know now they'd be more fire how does it know to start sending the power what's telling it you're serious I'm dead serious I don't know how electricity works no you think it's just like little microchips I have no idea how it knows the start sending power no idea I'm an idiot correlates well no cuz there's not really like an answer because it doesn't wait now follow question those surge protectors that have little lights on them to indicate that they're plugged in does that increase the chart the amount apparently by a micro amount yeah well they were they using those though this the surge they have in the thing does not like a light okay understand that and maybe that's what's drawing the point 3 watts yeah I a I know that might be a topic for another show is expelling me how electricity works only a certain amount of power can run through now I'm aware right so why they have converters raced I mean the power and the elect and the products you plug in yeah are limited to how much power they can suck chair it's just the metal touching the metal that conducts the electricity so the product itself it has it is whatever pro got a built-in limit limiter ok I understand because if you use the wrong wattage on a thing you share blow a circuit sure okay it's not much more complicated okay now the other question I have and this I think is a more significant worry for people where does the Sun go it no I was gonna say sleep mode for your devices so like sleep like your you put your computer to sleep or you put your ps4 draws less power but still significant amounts of like a lot more than what it shows bear I don't know how much but address / I know that the Earthies have and very concerned about that they're they're not happy with sleep mode now so like I mean ma I would imagine my you've been to my house you've seen like out I've got a bunch of consoles plugged in you might as well have a smoke snack came out as your soo is burning coal it's uh it's it's significant I'm sure yeah I don't want to know my bill my bill is more than I would like to pay but it's not astronaut oh yeah sure so okay until I hit like five hundred bucks a month I'm cool yeah I'm not doing that coned man is connor even like the thing still yeah it's big how do you get power what do you pay uh oh pse and jeering cuz your jersey huh net is like New York it's just not yeah all right and it is everywhere yeah man Tesla baby we miss you one love one love all right we're gonna get to the product hunt game of the week and then say goodbye to you fine people uh so the game of the week on product hunt calm / games is it's called emily is away and where'd she go that's a good question it's a short game and Jeff I think what you might appreciate this this goes back to us talking about our early days of the internet it's a recruit it's an interactive fiction story it's all set in an IM message box that looks like it's like mid 90s like windows 95 I am message how is this not a copyright infringement cuz it's like parody it doesn't say like eight AOL but you know it lose uses some of the icon best are the buddy icons yeah there's like a blink 182 buddy icon oh yeah it's fantastic it's like super accurate for the time and it's like it's just a really clever kind of throwback interactive fiction thing so what is it it's just a simulator with a robot yeah essentially there's an AI person it's not like there's someone hired to do this day in day out it's cool there should be but it's cool check it out emily is away is it free um I think it because I just it is free yeah yeah I think its name your own price right so if you're you're a jerk um you could pay nothing oh just give them a dollar him a dollar you know I mean look do I think you should pay a lot more than a dollar for an IM simulator from the 90s probably not no you know you can pay your AOL a monthly fee you want to do that authentic it's pretty cool I think one of the reviews of emily is away comes from Rock Paper Shotgun Susannah from Joe Donnelly emily is away does a fine job of transporting me back to a time in my life I had mostly forgotten about it's pretty cool good for emily's away man long live the AI am away message ya love ya mo suppose you did you deep custom blows look like why my were always lyrics no I I think mine for a very long time was my yearbook quote from high school which they artificially truncated much to my chagrin they censored mine they censored mine too not truncated they censored effectively they censored mine they said good night as they thought it was too aggressive okay what was yours mine was a George Carlin quote that said if you can't beat them ya arrange to have them beaten that's funny and they're like now doing it you can't do that okay mine was even worse than that yours was go F yourself San Diego know my full quote was brevity is the soul of wit poop and they truncated it without telling me so when I got married just so I just looked like a pretentious asshole oh god it was like good good good luck I'm sorry oh nice reference take a spear she speak sound very good good times very good stuff memories uh oh you know what I feel bad we were almost gonna skip out on the subreddit now don't ya I don't wanna do that oh and look to sub reddit reddit com / are such the 404 that is my bed I had it here in the rundown but I forgot about it for some reason okay so some costumes we missed uh the left shark from the katy perry Super Bowl half that's got to be done at this point right we're talking about almost a full year ago ah look I'm just telling you what I'm seeing okay okay sure Lenny Lannister writes in and says hey I haven't heard from Arielle in a while what's his deal what's he working on when is he gonna make another sick beat for the intro so Arielle is perfectly fine and well uh he is pretty much leading our video efforts here in New York so really doesn't have time to do a lot of stuff aside from that uh so yeah that's like the legend for us he's pretty pretty big time you know he doesn't he does really good stuff so he they're keeping him busy uh flying donkey rights in desks if I've switched t-mobile yet would you consider project fee or phi so it is google 50 fi I do have a I do have a project Phi invite uh that I haven't taken advantage of yet but I will be switching a tmobile in a few weeks when my Nexus 6p arrived oh yeah so I'm going to switch over to t mobile I don't like t-mobile then I'm going to go to project fee fie fie it's definitely fine 505 like Wi-Fi yeah exactly um spring crisis like have you thought about cricket they have really good coverage that was cricket this oh don't forget watch it isn't like a budget I think yeah I've seen commercials for it I feel like they're like the best buy brand mobile phone I've seen commercials I don't know but it does i think it's the cheaper option so I'm glad that they have coverage but yeah I've never looked into them no family law says please cover more tech topics dude I think we do if we hit up a lot of tectonic lada and especially this month with the microsoft event we did two egos talk about the servers in the macbook pro in the chrome yeah man we talked about that solid enough you gotta pay more attention I know you're just like taken in by the sound of our voices but we're hitting it got peddling on listen right um is HTC's a nine the last phone from HTC before they go belly-up and you have a problem with them copying Apple so closely I don't care I just don't care the eighth I know the MA people love that phone you know talk about the HTC m8 no I'm nurse you know that funds now I don't know that fun I have seen that a nine it looks great it looks great I mean it does look like an iPhone but yeah whatever I don't know who cares uh hey Jeff your wife as a small chance to run into another Morticia on Halloween because it was ranked in a hundred and fifty at the moment and realize their ranking there's a ranking where their ranking its fright Geist dot with google.com conjure up Halloween's most popular costumes and then like rank them so you can see like what's trending um nationally geo you hover over this interactive map and you can see what the most popular caucus are star stuff so superhero is the most trending wait that's not I'm not specific enough I know but it goes in and then it goes to Harley Quinn gotta go uh Batman Star Wars and then Wonder Woman Harley Quinn that's a bold you really have to lean into Harley Quentin can't just kids do pigtails now I mean you know can't you pick kids on a mallet no you gotta go on so this is practically a really cool interactive site it's called fright guys dot with google com link then the show notes as well thank you guy from Trinidad for sharing that with us we appreciate it let's see what else we got here in the subreddit do we have anything else in there subreddit we do this comes from chibi conga raga ok Maggie so what do you think of the new Star Wars trailer uh huh I didn't I didn't watch it oh cuz you're I've decided to stop I'm sorry I've just that lies I'm sorry does a part of me for Star Wars does kind of want to be part of the zeitgeist of like enthusiasm what's going on and I am very excited about the new Star Wars movie are you yes I actually am but I've gotten to the point where my memory is so weird about remembering things in the trailer that I just sit through the whole movie waiting for like yeah yeah moment to happen I just can't I wit I'd like wish I could turn that part of my brain off and I know I'm gonna see it and I have like a hook up to see it on opening night so that's great but yeah I don't I'm done watching the trailers like I'm done you are the worst really maine is very clown heavy by the way in fact regarding the costumes in that little interactive map lots of islands so alright so i guess i can't even talk about it then because I mean I don't know Caillou no kylo Ren you know that I yeah I know who you know was playing it yes so I didn't know Adam driver was playing him ok but I did know because i think that kylo Ren's mess yeah looks a little like Adam driver's face I think it's more is that awful to say is you know you think it looks like his face but I think his body is like he's very live like jack skellington body yes it does definitely I mean I think Adam driver is great it's a great I love him very good I've Natalie do enjoy here's what I would say I've never seen him play like a grounded role like he's always a very over-the-top kind of character no enough well he's barely in that inside llewyn davis oh yeah barely in that yeah but um but he's a very talented actor doesn't clearly like he's got a lot of range on girls like he yeah but it's always like a very intense performance like there's no like casual moment with him which is fine like that's why he said successful right let's just do one thing so you know he's the bad guy yeah you know that do you think he survives his movie that's a good question um I think he's gotta I think he does I think he's too cool of a well oh but you could argue that about Darth Maul as well no it's much pretty bad but here's the thing here's the reason I say yes is you need a villain to extend through all three movies there needs to be consistency there you can't have just like Dayton you know zombie the week situation sure and you know unless they bring like a blue goes to the Emperor back which would be pretty lame like you need a new villain and he looks pretty bad as his villain so by killing him off I don't know for all I know he in the trailer there's a blue goes the Emperor floating around shooting lightning up your phone what do you think where do they get these names it does seem like an name generator it's a perfect star war yep is a very good it's cool not Darth Vader you're not excited all for the movie I am did you get more excited after watching this new truck it's a good trailer yeah that's good like so keep my thing is like I think I'm gonna like then the seven eight nine more than one through six okay well no one likes really shit share four through six I think I said it doesn't this is my guess I think seven is gonna be really really good I I just don't see anything like I feel like it this is what the star wars that everybody wants so I think seven is gonna be really good the problem is JJ Abrams is not directing eight he's not know I was think he's only I forget that guy's name zack snyder that's act but that's the issue at ratner he's not I'm pretty sure he's not directing eight that's down to me and uh why well let's say for argument's sake let's say he is directing ate it doesn't matter because my feeling on JJ Abrams is that he's amazingly good at rebooting and starting something fresh but continuing with it not so good if you look at like Star Trek to search or tues not bad it's not bad but it's not great it's pretty middling it's underwhelming compared to the first but I think it's still solid and it's good man man that first starts you're so good yeah the first Star Trek is amazing so I and I think that's the issue his expectation is gonna be so high for the second one yeah the other issue is that i think that this spin-off movies are really gonna be like I'm worried about the quality they're like whether you're you can maintain that stuff because it's like you know it all ties it like you can't you want to say it's like Avengers where it's like you have all these separate stories and they all come together but it's not it's not that it's like like one of them is going to be set in olden times with young Boba Fett and one of them is going to be here one of them's gonna be there so they are separate stories and it's hard to imagine that the like quality would be maintained so I very high hopes for the first one and like cautious optimism beyond that okay I can handle that will sink ah very good sir thanks for the chat about that at the end I'm glad you didn't go completely cold on me Star Wars no I can talk about it I just don't I don't wanna just watch the trailer stop being such a loser I'm a baby I know just watch it fit no I'm not gonna watch it but I'm a baby I'm gonna describe it to you in vivid detail after they've ever draw it for me I will do a flip iframe i will do a storyboard 866 414 it that's the phone number shoot as an email the 44 at cnet com follow us on our subreddit and partake in the conversation when the shows not on the air reddit.com / r / the 404 we're back here next week I might have a guest we'll have to see how that goes yeah it's our spooky it's our spooky Halloween chip you know what happens next week as well all these ghouls and goblins boo and whatnot I think next week might be Game one of the World Series oh my no it's not it's the 27th out game 3 done but let's go Matt so it and watch those jim breuer videos they're so good I still watch them they're so good uh and it's also my five year running it oh look spending it in Citi Field unlike omissions alright guys we'll see you next week until then I'm Jeff bacala I'm Ross rustic this has been the 404 show high tech lowbrow have a great weekend see you next time you