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hey what's going on ladies and gentlemen it is friday july 10 2015 welcome to our show the 404 show real quick before we before we dive into this week's episode we've got a little little bit of housekeeping to attend to a little bit of maintenance to sort of catch you up on and today i am happy to talk about the fact that Russ fresh dick is here what yes and that was loud sorry and he will be joining me on a weekly basis uh from here on out rock and roll rock and roll thank you for being here so you know it's a pleasure it's a delight I've known you for many years and I'm very proud to be on this podcast I do want to make it clear you know we should sort of be in a world where I don't know even though I'm a die-hard fan and have listened to all the episodes shut up we should for the audience I think imply that like I've maybe never listened to an actual episode so that's true you can't imply it or you say that's true okay um so I look there there's an elephant in the room what's up with I as uh we I as and I decided to go our own separate ways on this there is no bad blood he people may not know this he's a very busy man at seen it uh he's got his hands juggling a lot of top-level responsibilities within the company I mean if you've ever been to cnet.com yeah that's basically him like he's the guy programming that front door he's also involved as i'm sure you all know in a good amount of video work in front of and behind the camera so you know the show wishes i as the best and help me back i'm sure we already talked about it and it's it's all everyone's in a great place so you know all the crap you read on the subreddit always true uh and you know there's no bad blood where we're in a good place so so we'll leave it as that um moving forward Russ is here he's going to be here pretty much every week right USA pretty much if you want to commit to I'm comfortable with committing uh you know unless you're like you know out and about let's go ahead and say every week let's go ahead and say every week and then down a well and then why don't we like explain to people just what the remember last time you were here we had no idea what I'm doing I do remember that um I can actually say what I'm doing now oh you mean we're cool enough to be let in on your little secret you know you guys were I would think 64th in terms of the people that I was able to tell but there was like a lot of important people before you so don't think the top 100 is no very important very important so what is it you do sure so I work at a company called product hunt you may or may not have heard of it either savvy therefore if they're savvy they've heard of it it's sort of best way to think of it is sort of a community of folks that submit cool stuff to this website called product hunt unlike a site like reddit it's just products it's just stuff you can buy or stuff you can like sign up for stuff like that but yeah so you go on the site you checked every day and every day is a different list of cool it started as a tech site so there's a lot of tech stuff already and they brought me on to launch the game in category for them which launched a couple weeks ago and so I'm going to be joining Jeffrey here once a week and you know maybe we'll talk a little bit about what's going on a product hunt but mostly we're going to talk about what's going on with you right this is going to be a call-in show where we talk about romance and relationships we're gonna we're gonna hash out a lot of like peoples you know romantic queries awesome no that's man i miss love lined you ever listen to loveline yeah big time formative years with like corolla and after doctors are you I always felt like whenever I would put it on I was like listening to porno radio it was it's scandalous yeah it was an edge to it was definitely like yeah a little red shoe diaries desk right it would be on it like 10 am-10 p.m. yep and I remember whenever I would listen to it I would I would lower the volume on the speaker just enough lock the door at all the bottom of our all that hard core and then listen to it you know like if the radio had a dial it was on 14 volume yeah and I put my ear up and be like oh there's like one of those old-timey radios right you're like hearing the funnel in your yeah I was like oh my Kermie just got bombed they're talking about angie's oh my they did I'll tell you a basic cable when the show came on that was a harrowing moment for me good times you watch the video show or is amazing it was amazing amazing um alright so in addition to a new face of the 44 show we are you know we're going to keep a few things similar to what we'd been doing on this program but we're going to pepper in a few new ideas and see where it goes but of course we are a show that likes to round up some of the week's news and we're going to start off with a little little little friendly gentleman's competition between two superpowers in the world yes we all know them as you know the United States in this corner and in the other corner Japan now the last time these two went at it well it was a little crazy let's say it ended abruptly haha oh man but can I before I'm talking about u.s. women's soccer what are you talking about you know what's crazy I'll speaking of the u.s. women's soccer match yes between Japan and the u.s. in which the u.s. obliterated yeah Jib Japan very abruptly that's are they people were making hiroshima on twitter lately you know what you can't do that not on Twitter nah you can't oh it's terrible ok like that was its that is something I is an American and definitely ashamed of ya like that is the skeleton in your closet yeah right oh it's terrible and people on on Twitter being like oh whoa haven't snuck up on Japan like that in a while yeah come on how old does an atrocity need to be before it becomes ok in the case of 911 it was like three years yeah it was like ah Larry I think that the new yorker thing where we're just sort of coping with our snarky jewish sensibility right cuz it's nothing but Jews he whew Newark New York um so yeah uh u.s. and Japan are engaging in a very interesting friendly competition it's not friendly know this seems to be a serious grudge match here yeah so it this was born out of a company based in the u.s. that was literally had built a large robot we're talking I don't know how many have tall is this thing 50 feet yeah something like that 50 feet and this company comes around and they're like okay well we have this large robot it's just sort of sitting here it's not doing a holiday it was 50 I'll you said 15 or 50 if d okay well cut that down by 35 and that's how big 15 yeah 15 um and so they had this 15-foot robot pretty pretty good I don't know what that's the Voltron no he was probably smaller maybe Voltron's hand maybe yeah like accessory would have liked his pocket watch it's so significant and I guess it's like titanfall right those titanfall robots right so they had this thing lying around they're like okay well it's just sort of sitting around here so instead of him just have it sit around and be awesome they created this video and sent to Japan to Japan to this other company in japan called Suribachi heavy industry while also makes robots I feel like I'm in like Pacific Rim right it's fantastic it's the best thing ever the American companies called mega bots and they challenged Suribachi to a giant robot fight and the impression that I got from the initial video was essentially was no holds bar you could do whatever you wanted to the robot they were gonna go at it and there weren't people inside it and there weren't people inside a stranger that would be unfortunates dangerous there weren't people inside it but you could latch on rocket launchers and machine guns whatever you want to do and it would be a robot fight okay so sir vashi a couple weeks later this this past week responds with their own video and they say deal sounds good we're in but stipulation it needs to be melee combat because let's be honest you stick a rocket launcher on that thing that's getting real quick if I it's gonna end in a minute it's like it's basically just like a Wild West Show time like whoever gets the rocket launcher off first right so here at least it we don't know what's gonna happen but at least it's gonna be a little prolonged it's not gonna be like you spin the dice roll the dice and rule out what I don't know anything but well basically this is like the plot to that movie uh with Hugh Jackman because now it's like robot yeah biting like this fighting right melee fighting yeah in that movie they were very open yeah they were very agile they're like boxers I don't think there will be capable of this decade they're just gonna build alike chop yeah if they might be able to walk a little bit but I can imagine once they like run into each other like they're gonna be just jammed I thought it is not gonna be all like oh no this sounds way cooler on paper but think about it for those 30 seconds as they're slowly lumbering towards each other with like a flaming sword and like a chainsaw right that's gonna be the best moment in history well that's like the ultimate like Mortal Kombat fight screen oh it's it's fantastic and it's actually gonna happen in real life like the best we've gotten so far is battle bots which is like oh here's a 10 inch like really robot rolling in another 10 inch really robot right like someone lame you're like oh I I attached like a saw to my RC car that's the equivalent of what we've seen so far so this is stepping it up a notch and it seems like a very it is a friendly match in so far as you know no one's gonna get killed for it yeah but I did some level we going on and especially after after the World Cup it feels like some hurt feelings it was like they owe us one well this might be them coming back at us I don't know man I think it's amazing do you you think it's amazing 12,000 pounds of gasoline powered fury I don't know what happened but there's probably gonna be a giant explosion there isn't i'm gonna be really just like are people gonna wash this live they would have to sit fairly far away like they have to I feel like it's gonna be like a space shuttle launch like binoculars right how far away are you you're basically in Georgia when you are ya are you would you watch this mage that'll take off yeah in Florida it seems dangerous but you know again that awesome things are generally dangerous yeah I guess so you can't have any fun unless someone's at risk yeah so this came out yesterday and it it didn't really make headlines because I don't know I have no answer why it would not make headlines but uh there is some really exciting stuff happening in the world of comic books back to the future I've heard of it right you've heard of that yep uh is getting who keeps falling on a guy that's all I remember poop yeah right manure in there is there more to it that somebody pronounced manure met like manure missin mini Eric someone added like a why awful over the weekend dressed as ups that was upsetting uh guess what kids idw publishing big maybe more of an underground comic book publisher are they like third so you have DC you'd marvel no they're not third I was third I don't know I may be dark or third I don't know I'm not I just feel like there are that many that I've heard of idw there's a lot but there's more than you think okay uh there's also image probably images three I'd say yeah uh but nevertheless alike that Kathy they do Kathy uh no okay that would know you've dated yourself quite a bit haven't you idw publishing announced on wednesday that they have plans for a Back to the Future comic book series spearheaded by the original movies screen write amazing mr. Bob Gale very talented gentleman so that's a big deal and that should come off as a comforting little detail because the second you hear about it back to the future comic book reboot you're like what the hell is this yeah joke are they gonna get to write this but guess what it's Bob Gale he wrote the original what's up they they've subtitled it untold tales and alternate timelines which I'm okay with because for years fans have asked questions about things that happen before the events of the trilogy like how the hell did doc and Marty meet and it seems that they have almost an inappropriate relationship considering he's a high school kid and doc is like I don't know a 50 year old scientist alone that's weird he's just like science like how did they mean why do I don't know how does it meet how did they meet and how did it not involve like a vandy in the van okay like I said not come together nevertheless back to the future issue number one which is scheduled to be released in october of this year her will tell the story of that of how Marty first met Doc Brown prior to the events of the first movie a second arc what did he call Marty when he first song because I can't fathom a world where he doesn't always just call mod yeah what are you calling like you you that you there boy with the vest I don't know what would he go on it's very bizarre I can't wait well that's why you're gonna be able to find out a second arc in that issue as well will be set in 1943 with docs involvement in the Manhattan Project ok was he alive back then I guess they're implying that oh let's do that so at the 80s so what a tease the backgrounds what 120 like what the freak man that does make sense if he's involved if he's old enough to be involved in a 1943 manhattan project or either he's been traveling back in time already and just I don't know if it was 60 in the movie so he could be 20 cuz it was the 80s so it's 40 years before that so he could be 20 years old and working on the Manhattan Project alright of a young diving tour what he's an intern at the door what they're implying is that he travels back in time to do it but like the man still works it does I guess all right I'm I'm okay with it if Bob gales involved sign me up back to the future issue 1 October 21st is the specific date they're gonna try and shoot for is there any chance that Doc Brown is Marty from this like a no Marty how dare you mess with I'm lines just there's no chance of that happening continuum is a sacred concept sure and you cannot just come in here on your first show as new co-host and just all over that time where is that what is the rule so you can you can see yourself but you can't interact with yourself right there little vague on that yeah if you and we've definitely talked about this before but if you watch some of the deleted scenes scenes of back to the future two you will see a scene where old Biff from the future yes about right like disappear he's like editor and it hurts amusia and then all of a sudden his turn to nothing because he did to my t change too much he changed enough that he does know he know exists your 2015 right which by the way oh wait a minute I don't even put that together october twenty first 25 the day they travel to the future mazing good for that that's kind of all that's pretty good hey we just figured that out freaking uh not the pressure face not that no it's not a press release i wrote up Newsarama failed to recognize that significant day terrible the Joker's over Newsarama calm also on the same day jaws six comes out jaws 5,000 uh so yeah that's really exciting stuff I don't know if you think we talk too much about back to the future go listen to a different show right now so long is not about 3 i'm fine oh yeah well look raised bed 3 is like the you know the the sort of like stain on the trilogy yeah uh I mean don't I returns if you will okay which fine I'm okay with using that analogy because Dark Knight Returns is the weakest among the three yes but it is also in itself not a terrible define move it's fine fine there's a lot of stuff that's we and if the other movies didn't exist that people would probably look at it more favorable it would be regarded in a much higher capacity yeah back to future three yeah it's a little weird dopey it'sit's dopey there's a scene where a little boy appears to point at his own crotch yeah I look that up if you have a moment anyway so we're very excited about that and just as a little side note we've been lucky enough well I've been lucky enough to work with some of the sideshow collectibles people who and we just shot a video with back to the future one Marty McFly oh my god the hot toys version yet so go to cnn.com and then this week at comic-con which is going on right now a whole lot of great news coming out of there but sideshow announced that they're going to be distributing the back to the future to Marty McFly complete with Lotus years and they've got the nike license well maybe it's the prototype but if you go on the website you can see that like that sort of like us black cylinder uh you know shoe case yeah it holds the power mason that's pretty that's in it a hoverboard hours obviously and a few other really inhale license probably not yeah maybe I can't you can't tell from the photo they have on facebook but the hoverboard is definitely there also they're doing a six scale beetlejuice Oh which kind of tickled me in ways I hadn't been to a sick Beetlejuice form with this the black and white striped suit yeah okay like ghost with the most right that yeah and then the little uh the little gargoyle tombstone that says he dies how did why that discovers another day but bilges of the weirdest thing goddamn right like how is who put that out dimension films is like that I'm like who was like okay and we'll call Beetlejuice yeah our first a second time director others the pee wee pee wee's big adventure it's like an alternate universe where monkey bone was a success right so weird that movie got made very odd but you know fortuitous in the long run obviously okay let's get a little switch gears just a little bit that way and get into something that happened this week that I look I am NOT a conspiracy theorist yeah I am NOT okay but some weird stuff went down on Wednesday okay just what the hell happened on when a lot of stuff went down okay be very weird if you're following the mainstream news you would a lame stream media you're talking about thanks thanks uh mr. uh what I Rush Limbaugh hey you don't want to call you yes ah really a trilogy of strange tech failures now in their own rights maybe if they happen separately it wouldn't be such a strange thing but three major things happened on wednesday united airlines entire infrastructure okay was halted to a stop not like you couldn't buy tickets nothing was booked able nothing was purchasable no flights in or out of any airport on the planet that's a lot of flights that's hot tens of thousands of line how long was down for I I mean I was it was funny I was at the CBS News room okay I was at the the broadcast Center while this was going down people just running with papers it was you know what I felt really did feel like a scene out of newsroom yeah you know if there's one thick so like there's a lot of like romantic triangles that Britain poorly uh no but there was really you know people people over there tho those reporters who who are on their toes in on their feet that it was intense this is a very big deal I actually got bumped for it which you know is way more important than I was going to talk about Facebook uh so this happened it was a major major deal i want to say was down for like two hours yeah i'm looking it's let's see yeah it looks about two hours about two hours or so give or take hour and a half uh it was a big deal right and then we find out that the new york stock exchange had a network malfunction that halted trading okay for a significant amount of time two things yeah it could be coincidence that's weird yeah and then the third one which i think is the least significant or is it or is it conspiracy theorists yeah The Wall Street Journal their entire computer server system failed to respond okay that what this sounds to me like a coincidence mmm sounds more like a die-hard heist scenario playing out like we're gonna find out in two weeks like all the gold in Fort Knox is gone is that yeah and they used United to escape and then your it was like in the basement New York Stock Exchange and they had the busts through the wall street journal's offices to make their getaway ah they bought it see that like that it's a pretty simple scenario like Jeremy Irons is just watching the whole thing I know you're speculating like Illuminati or something like that but no it's jeremy irons what's crazy to me is like you use you bring up die hard three yeah but like modern entertainment has trained us to sniff stuff like this out yeah as like plant like you know heists came in great seems yeah it's in this direction this actually matches a terrible movie that I saw very recently called black hat with I think Chris helmsworth Thor himself where he played a hacker if you can imagine that and it Ole Miss there are no beautiful ackers like it really was like someone hacked the stock exchange and a bunch other things to like get oil prices to act funky and then by land it was terrible movie um but you know that's yeah one hundred percent like if stuff like this happens especially in concert we definitely think something is up right it's weird yeah and and you know all the news outlets had security experts and all these people coming on TV and saying oh that's that's uh that's a coincidence there is nothing to get worried about yeah right you don't you don't don't don't worry about any of that meanwhile the news outlets are like Oh can't we get some way I that's like the world it's coming to an end of the Second Age just to like get naked yeah you know just be like hey that's all they wanted someone freaking out yeah hair they don't want someone to be like yeah yeah it's gonna mahjong tonight it's fine it's very it's very weird story I want to hear what you think podcasting audience just what the hell happened on Wednesday yeah come up with a good a conspiracy theory and you will read it next week I don't even know how I'd go about hacking the new york stock exchange how would you do i'm not sure i could even hack that just plug in an ethernet cord into someone's like laptop no you get like bein okay how did bein do it he blew it up didn't he he blew up the stadium and it was of course Batman forgot you were doing I just walk through the front door and hack the out of york stock exchange remember me from prison I was not the little girl hey that was probably another coward or you might be convincing me what is this Raja cool no I'm a ghost okay all right we're gonna do more impressions before yeah where I promise that real quick before we hit the first break a funny little headline today we did a comic about it today logitech rebrands itself as Lodgy logie or is it look we talked about this on the Beast guest is it low G or lodging I think it's probably lied just to be maintaining the like logitech connection right but i just seeing it alone just the letters Lodgy it just looks like an anime like the name of an anime character like little sprite that comes out of the woods hello logie oh you is that low G the gnome have you brought us mice to play with low G the gnome can make fire from anything really weird I don't know it's I mean a logitech is I think next step next to like I mean there's a few brands out there that like the name alone just like the equivalent like a hewlett-packard which just in your mind is like oh that's super dorky and logitech was definitely up there and didn't really connect with like the general consumer base that would buy like an apple phone so I guess it makes sense but they make good like I use a Logitech mouse they make good hardware oh don't get me wrong they make fantastic stuff their stock is up today throw a 33 cents as well at this with eleni guess what their stock name is low G yeah that's how maybe then that was the plan all along people didn't want a google so they're like we'll just make it the same the bad all the coverage you know 72 days ago the all the coverage was you know mediocre little you know sort of snarky the comic we did today we like chopped up all brand names those like Toshi pani Sammy stuff like that um gizmodo did a good headline there logitech is changing its name to LA G because tech means nothing those it does it means nothing pretty great alright we are going to take a quick break a word from our sponsor more 40 for the new 404 if you will the reboot reboot like the real ghostbusters yeah all right why they mad about the request they didn't need the word real like who would confuse them for 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yeah the elevator pitches tell the way I my elevator pitch is like well it's read it for products yeah yeah that's right that's it that's the way you gotta get but it's it's more complex the whole commenting submitting system is like not everyone can submit something right the fear is you you open the floodgates about everyone submit and then suddenly the every single day is just like spammy like you know crap that ritee people promoting it nipple can game it right but so we you know whitelist people that we think are okay to submit stuff and we also have algorithms to like see oh all these users are new so clearly someone's trying to like do a vote ring or something like that right so we have mechanisms to fight you cheating bastards okay well that's that's that's pretty aggressive yeah I want to talk a little bit about um well we'll talk about them in I was a red band because he the Dark Knight has been we're not talking about man-bat yeah not man-bat not because man that not which is a thing yeah in the Batman universe are confusing um which they couldn't come up with a better name for that well even more so so man bad for those that don't know is a dude that looks more like a bat that he doesn't do like he he's actually the real but that's what I'm saying it's like it seems weird that they would prioritize the man in that when really he's more bad than man and vice versa correct but man that is was was introduced way after Batman yeah but I think what's his name the Creator Bob Kane Bob Kane what's really the finger guy what yeah so the Batman was created by Bob Kane gets credit okay for creating Batman what does that mean the finger guy I think his name is like Bill Finger oh okay I'm gonna look at you from is amazed the finger guy hope he does sound like a Batman villain yeah it's bill finger so here's a deal and I don't want to get too far into this cuz this is not what we're talking about to get Batman but there's a lot of controversy with the cane legacy versus the finger legis okay bill finger verse Bob Kane apparently these guys did not like each other like in capturing my type situation right Bob Kane is the guy who gets Clarissa fiction but but apparently bill finger is the dude who really put Batman together who like put the cape on them man and and did his whole thing now the you can talk to historians comic book historians who have their version of how it went but that's from what I gather is the way it played out okay anyway we're talking about Batman and we're going to talk about his code okay his code everyone knows that one two three four right to his luggage to his security system to his safe Batman's code is that he doesn't what he doesn't kill Pete does not kill people he doesn't use guns out kind of use his gun yeah but they don't shoot bullets they shoot like for smiles yeah happy happy hugs issue diplomacy the shoot rainbow bullets um so Batman in the news lately obviously because batman arkham knight one of the best games of the year so far uh although maybe not the best Arkham uh you know game that we've seen on the last decade or so nevertheless Batman is more powerful than he's ever been in Arkham Knight yeah and it raises the question okay well how is Batman just not killing everyone in sight in this game and they put a lot of effort behind it because you really have you have the Batmobile in arcanine which is the most lethal thing he is given yes without them straight up runs over you've never been given anything remotely as powerful as this thing and the Batmobile has in its arsenal a machine gun a rocket launcher a charging ability so you could run people over electrocution electrocution so the way they rationalize it in the game is that when you're shooting like tanks and stuff of which there are many in this game you're using those lethal explosives because there's no one in them they're just drones right but when you're running people over or shooting guys with like your cannon which automatically changes to like a non-lethal like beanbag round it just knows it just knows automatically oh this is a human I'm gonna kill that I can't kill it i'm going to use something non-lethal the problem is let's say you're driving at 65 miles an hour not crazy speeds but like through the streets of Gotham of the streets of God 65s fast and there's a mugger standing in the street and you drive right Adam and even if your car is coated in a magical electrical field that will automatically shove people out of the way the inertia of going from stock straight to suddenly shoved 50 meters because you got hit by a car dead you're dead you're dead the g-force alone would GU your brain in an issue would be turn to do a fine paste that's not to mention the numerous other times when people should die based on the things Batman does like you know sometimes they accidentally get kicked off ledges and but that's what's so funny in the games like the game has this thing programmed into it where if you're on a roof yeah or a high you know surface and you kick an enemy there's this invisible wall there's a sizable fan bed prevent now I took some footage the other day I kick someone off okay I did that's I'm saying at least cuz it doesn't work right and I need to grab that and post that online but yeah it's kind of hilarious because you're like oh man BAM industry have killed somebody yeah like in cold blood and it's such a focal point especially for this series but but also for like the Chris Nolan movies is like such a major focal point because I don't know it like differentiates him it's right it's it's it's redefined him because I'm not sure this code of conduct was of sticking point earlier in his in bat me a like when did this come about great question do you know no idea no idea cuz yeah I I would admit like I didn't read comics growing up and I find that very hard to believe i know i'm nerdy in so many other ways um I didn't read comics growing up I guess the first I was trying to remember the first time when I realize like this is a code of his might have been like the first Arkham Knight first was an arkham asylum game right oh really that may have might have been the first time yet I don't know I definitely discovered it later than being familiarized with Batman obviously because I wouldn't realize that after Batman Begins because this is what made me rethink of it recently is at the end of that and begins spoiler alert he straight up kills Ra's al Ghul Ra's al Ghul is there he could save him instead he lets him plummet in this train and he's dead right uh yeah and you could make the argument that he kills people in the burton movies as well right I think you could very easily make that argument you mentioned two examples to me that were like straight-up murder scene straight up murder in the first Batman when they're at the top of the bell tower uh obviously he'd let's Jack Nicholson go like he dropped him right uh you could leave you I'll give you the benefits out there but then like before right before that he he fights this like karate his like right there man wasn't it no no that was like that greasy looking okay it wasn't what the hell's his name was like with oh no Jack Nicholson kills him red-billed gun it's all right under the parade um and then this guy who's like doing all this fancy karate he basically like ducks out of the way and allows him to fall 50 stories as death right or he just lands in like bad as I put a bunch of footage billows at the matter they're like I think the point we're trying to an i'm batman returns in the beginning with the demented carnival scene where they take over the christmas uh ceremony uh Batman appears to like drop a hand grenade or in a man who could be a concussion grenade but it seems unlikely he's probably already knocked out from falling down the manhole I would think so so you know it so I guess the funny thing is like what's starting to happen is all of these ways in which batman is being portrayed are they're going out of their way to make excuses as to why under any normal circumstance you would have killed somebody they're going out of their way to like sugar coat it and and literally pet it yeah so that you don't kill them in the new game right yeah and in an in new media like you know the Nolan movies but the no.1 movies in particular especially starting with Arkham whatever the second was dark night and dark knight rises like Dark Knight the whole movie is about that right so they're very careful about like making sure that he doesn't kill anything which he does not appear to know I don't think he does and then the third one I think that's probably the case to like oh wait he does use his doesn't use his motorcycle to like oh no that Catwoman kills right Catwoman kills Ra's al Ghul's daughter with the motorcycle cuz she's like I don't care about killing people Frank and that's such an easy like there's like right be like Oh Batman didn't do it so he's his conscience is clear and then he goes off and like mary's ER right lives lives in Italy with her so clearly doesn't have that many qualms about killing people I can't do it but my wife game go ahead honey no could Batman control robot that kills people then that'd be okay no because that's like in a game at Amelia yes I him using a great what if it's like he had a really long extension arm what if he set up a Rube Goldberg my contraption that ultimately ended right you know cutting the joke like two hours to run through right any like left the the the zip code yeah but I do like in in the second arkham asylum game Arkham City like they make a big deal of that at the end of the game I don't really want to ruin it for people because it's one of my favorite game endings but yeah it don't make a big deal about it and it's like really i don't know i mean it's it's a weird thing and i like it as a character development piece i like it but it's also like you're making an action game it's really tough to convince people that this isn't a joke yeah and the flip side to that is if you go whole hog on it how can you have like an honorable guy that's going around and just murdering people exactly ie uncharted ie there uncharted is the perfect example I'm sure you've heard of Uncharted is a mega mega top tier flagship series for PlayStation you play as nathan drake in your vet you're essentially uh you know like an Indiana Indiana Jones kind of guide to a lara croft kind of person man you go around hunting for treasure but in the process you are straight-up shooting everybody's mad next and kicking people off ledges and you're joking about it the whole time to you're like oh so he's not gonna need that anymore cuz i said brains on my forehead and what's so funny is we were when we're at e3 a couple weeks ago i was watching a playthrough of uncharted 4 which is the new one that comes out next year and the guy playing the game wasn't aiming at anyone's head interesting he was aiming my legs or so think legs people were dying yeah and I'm sorry like there's not enough blood in uncharted say not a mature rating it's always t it's always t4 so that's why there's not but I get it but you're shooting people with an ak-47 in the face okay so that doesn't end with like a smoke tray but they wanted team rating is just a problem with that we don't want to get too much into that but but yeah so that's essentially what we wanted to get to with Batman let us know what you think yeah I don't know Batman's a complicated dude he is my favorite superhero oh yeah he's he's the most interesting superhero he's great he's great um all right I want to talk quickly about so what we want to talk about like game ratings with Android and iOS and like the other day I was talking to you about a mobile game like game of war that the Kate Hudson yeah you know weirdo sort of game and I was like how is that game getting five stars on Android yeah and I guess this like works in with your game of the week stuff sure you but you you've been working with product right now and you're like very hip and close to the rating system yeah we're iOS you know you buy a game in iOS and you can vote on you can give it a star where they have it is same thing with the Play Store yep so what do you have to enlighten sure so those those ratings in games for mobile games for on Android and on iOS make and make or break your product if you have less than four stars your thing is not going to sell it the major impact on sale it's a soul psychological thing where like someone is just not willing to spend more and download oh yeah forget it even if it's free they won't download it if it has a less than force them right so a lot of these developers use some sort of psychological tricks as to when to present the police radar screen this is slimy this feels don't think it slimy I think it's smart mark it's smart but it's yeah it feels don't like it feels a little greasy well there's a lot of these decisions that people make regarding like well what should we price this and where do we do internet purchasing and stuff like that so there are this like this is this invisible layer behind all these games that people don't really think about that's all driven by analytics and testing a be testing and all that stuff so this is one of them and I've spoken a lot of indie developers and one of the things they've said is you should never put this at the top of your game like the second you load it up you shouldn't have like raid us please write the time to do it is essentially if the player has just accomplished something awesome like they just beat of massive boss fight or they just unlocked a new level or whatever something amazing just happened that's when you hit them and it's almost like they just did a hit of heroin and it's like hey man give me 20 bucks they're like it you did a hit of heroin it's basically like no give me a high five yeah right right time tell your friends baseball yep this bump that yeah buts crazy it's pretty interesting and then again this is not the only time that they use these there's a lot of like mental gymnastics that happen to try to get players to do what they want to do right what they're doing yeah the way I break it down for myself is there essentially game affine a rating system within the game yeah I hate that word I know but guess what buddy I hate you hate the word URL need to work violin that what Papa viral I have such problem with our okay anyway but uh you know I've for me it's like that's what they're doing yeah there there I mean it's using strategy on something that's colossally important to the success of their game and it's interesting um but yeah I think a lot of people don't even think about it they're like oh why not like oh well whatever i guess i'll write it now oh no i mean i desperately search for the no thanks don't ever bother me again but sure but there are for the people that do great you want them to be in a good mood when they write you don't want them to like oh i just lost the same level five times please rate us or or right after Buddha or right after Buddha yeah when you don't know whether it's good or not so just kind of interesting all right very cool now you know now you know I want it before we get to some more talk about PC let's uh let's talk about um one of our favorite film actors okay of all time yeah and he's in the news lately cuz he just had a son Charlton Heston yes very versatile very versatile no Jeff Goldblum Jeff Goldblum so horrific guy I don't know why she is just enjoying so many consistent years of success yes it's been very Annie Hall like he's been successful since Annie Hall came out in the mid 70s like he's like what do you woody allen's like friend in Annie Hall this is like busy yeah that's not like I always tennis for them or so oh yes yeah yeah or he's in like the LA like swanky party I know that was all time oh that's Paul okay well whatever jeff go boom is in that movie and he's an iconic legendary and of course fleischer Jurassic Park Park and and uh ID for you to with abbreviating in it still on uh so he came into the gaming world a few days ago when activision announced that call of duty black ops 3 zombies the zombies mode is gonna feature not only Jeff Goldblum but also heather graham neal mcdonough Ron Perlman and Robert Picardo I love Neal McDonough do you know who that is yeah super blond guy huh he's like super super blonde who is he though he was in justified as one of the season-long daddy's here on band of brothers go on you never seen either those no uh-uh yeah I know it recognized I know a band of brothers is he's a character actor you would recognize him so Jeff goal and not only that so it's like this co-op zombie campaign which is pretty standard which is pretty soon but like you've seen the trailer for this no I have it it's it's like a bioshock world oh really yeah it's very weird i I it sort of done that in the past though like like all the zombie games generally are like um you know you constructing weird laser guns right they're not realistic what you got to watch the trailer this thing it looks really good it's kind of like left for dead alex navarro described as left for dead meats Bioshock okay kind of cool sure anyway they're using their likenesses like it looks like jeff goldblum yeah it looks like heather graham it looks like ron perlman got us thinking all right what's your favorite Jeff Goldblum movie yeah and if you wanted to try an impression I'll let you I don't know listen to the show for a long time no your track record when it comes to impressions and you're like Jeff you're like oh for 400 so I'm gonna ask you to tread lightly with that but uh put what's your favorite Jeff Goldblum thing I think the easy answer is probably Jurassic Park haha right because people you know he's like the edgy guy that everyone quotes and he's his shirt is ripped most the movie who doesn't love that he's also certifiably crazy yeah like it plays a crazy person I you know I think he makes I think independence they would not be a movie that people love if he wasn't in it Jurassic Park might have been able to squeak by I think Jurassic Park would have been fine without yeah just go blue yeah i would say independence day probably for me okay this he's just like so in his element of like worried jus that whole entire movie where's jurassic park sometimes he plays like a badass sometimes she's like what's that leather yeah sport cuz like lying in the back are with his leg broken he's like Moscow faster yeah which he also says an Independence Day oh my god he does as an exact same line but you know he doesn't say in Jurassic Park what's that the line he has an Independence Day my favorite line people listen to the Beast guess already heard me talk about this okay zine when he goes up in the spaceship with Will Smith they're about ready to light their cigars yeah victory cigars yeah they closed the window the the front windshield right alien overrides their system yeah starts opening Will Smith's like this is stupid this is stupid they could see us Jeff Goldblum leans back in his pilot's chair and girls oh which I do remember that yes is for me for Jeff for like I said one Jeff to another Jeff it's so Jekyll perfect it is a really perfect the way he conducts himself his he has this amazingly calm steady gait yeah him where he's just like I'm never going you know he's not he's the total opposite of like a nic cage right he never he's spikes whereas cages rougher and sharp around the edges Jeff Goldblum is like drinking a glass of silk yeah he's like a waveform that just slowly goes long goes along and sometimes he'll be like I'm not happy about this situation but that's the limit right that's the extent that's the most emotional hug yet never yells yeah uh when the scene my favorite though I enjoy him the most in the west anderson movies in zissou yeah he plays I don't know he isn't is the he's the competing oh yeah oceanographer guy yeah yeah and in grand Budapest hotel he plays the lawyer the yeah the state Rep rioter yeah he always plays like an erudite right suited like glasses wearing like high-class very stoic New York early kind of dude right and uh and in grand Budapest when he's explaining to the extent a close and extended family about the will that tildes want us yeah I am her character leaves and he's just like I will elucidate in due time and like just everything he said it's just it's amazing yeah he's fantastic I yeah so Jeff Goldblum that's you bless you but star bless your heart we should do this every week where we just were just lose it over a character the character I don't know I feel like we started at the peak and it's all downhill from here you can't match this it can't match the Oakland but we'll try next week we're gonna take one more break and then we will get to a few other things including a couple notes 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you able to navigate the choppy waters that is pc gaming now i've been using a mac consistently through that 15 years and here obviously like I'm steam savvy I know how to use steam I know how to download stuff I'm not an idiot mostly okay it except for the time you texted me and said well let's not we're gonna cross that bridge when we come to it okay it seems like all the most of the issues that I'm running two are like I'll be like I'll fix something like Oh your USB stick is not being recognized for no reason because it's just a USB stick it should just know it's usually thing yeah and it doesn't work and then I'll like install drivers and like restart the computer and I won't know again that it's a USB stick and I want to strangle the pc like and throw it out a window like that is crazy to me that we're still running into these issues the other issue that I had just the other day I was trying to activate windows as you're aware i enter the code the message that pops up says this code did not work and I'm like okay I guess it was a bum code I turn off my computer I turned on the next day the pc is activated what is going on ok someone needs there is like a layer of like mystery 2pcs that granted max can definitely not do as much they are not as versatile they're not good gaming machines unless you spend their nine thousand dollars they are definitively poor gaming sharon's not that but from a day to day not running into issues standpoint Oh Mac has it be it's like Max are much more consistent definite but you can't play a lot of games on max journey you know they're not built for that it's well ok so that those are all that I think reasonable complaints that I've had with pc gaming sure less reasonable issues that I've had include you giving me that what is it a displayport cable ok so Russ got a monitor that can only use a displayport cable which is I guess I'm here to hdmi it is very good it's better than hdmi pretty silly yeah it can do more it can it has more been more flaw the way I understand it more giggle flippies yes what it's called uh so Russ it's like a pretty decent graphics card in the computer yep so you know it obviously had like if you know it obviously has hdmi and displayport and yes as offerings so so I got a text message for us and it says I can't find a display for another thing is only hdmi what's going on yeah and then what happened and then I didn't hear back from well no you said it's definitely in there is what you said I'm like it's definitely in there does that way this pipe or it and then so I climb under my desk and i'm peering at the back of the pc and I'm like maybe these black things are not just part of the case design so there's these little plastic pieces yeah they put inside before the ports to sort of I don't know keep them clean and from dusty whatever ever yeah and this guy so I I don't know went to college I yeah so it turns out there was a smart do literally all account plugs that were just blocking displayport so I like very feebly removed it I was like oh well of like a shape matches like the amount of time that I spent looking at the plug and being like that shape doesn't match and the only benefit of any dad I'd give you is like all right hdmi and displayport are similar ish yeah they are they are but yeah it was humbling it's also crazy to me that like most pcs just like don't necessarily ship with Wi-Fi yeah that's done it was a very look that's another thing a very easy thing to solve I went to the store I bought a 30-hour Wi-Fi dongle it works fine every two days for whatever reason the pcs like I don't like there's Wi-Fi dongle anymore you really have to reset it and it does do a good job resetting it but like why does my internet turn off every two days that's weird like it's weird huh so it's been interesting sometimes the keyboard my wireless keyboard stops working yeah that's you know because it's Bluetooth is wonky well i'm using the logitech sorry Lodgy unifying Oh which is relatively it's very good but it needs a line of sight right it's not quite as like a desk in the way yeah it's tough man you know just jump you have such a tough life I know it's the worst you know really is the way I don't know how I live with myself this is what our ancestors are planted I will say the game specifically it's been very delightful um I've been playing a lot of wasteland 2 which I couldn't recommend more because a tremendously fun game and I downloaded this mod for portal that someone made like a mod calomel yeah very cool stories mail which I haven't played yet but universal praise for that so it's great to like not have to stress on things and like be able to download whatever I want right and check out new games and not have to worry about running stuff it's terrific I'm glad you I don't want to be a grumpy snow but you graduated to the big boys I'm a big boy big girls and the big boys now I do sort of want to use that streaming thing that steam has the shadow play yeah boy we talking about they're selling like a physical box oh where you can I stream a game from the pc right TV TV without having a second so not always also no no probably has to be wired a little bit yeah what you really should do that like I know that your computer doesn't have Wi-Fi but you probably hardwired that figure out it's not gonna I have to move get a long wine okay I'll move apartments do something all right very good and before we hit the subreddit oh you have a few games of the week you'd like to mention yeah from product on sale again Russ is heading up the gaming category section of product I can just go to product hunt calm / games you want to check the games you can go to the main page for all the tech stuff now these are not just console games these are mobile games these are a very accessible games it's everything so we do everything we do console games we do mobile games you name it what I wanted to bring to the table is actually not one game usually I'll probably just bring one game but I've been seeing over the last few days we've been getting a lot of submissions for a handful of games which are actually remakes of classic games and they're all called stuff like freeciv free call open red alert and what they what they are are essentially people making open source versions of these classic popular games so free civilization it's like civilization right colonization is another one and red alert is obviously a command and conquer command and conquer how how are they able to do that so here's the thing it's not really leaving so here's the thing we're all going to jail I mean I've does give me the impression that like one day yeah is gonna wake up and be like nope and I clutch it it's kind of amazing how dedicated these fans are tour recreating these games and making sure that they work well on new platforms and like any platform you can imagine like something you know linux and you name it they're really dedicated to them these aren't necessarily games the like I'm into but right it's pretty cool I think there's a lot of people out there that like have a fondness for games but really just from like this era of like early 90s and for those people if you dig like civilization check it out freeciv or open red alert you know who knows there'll probably be down tomorrow but get it while you can get it get it while the getting's get it while you can it's pretty cool all right excellent check out product contact calm / games time for the subreddit portion of our program go to reddit.com / r / 240 for each week we post a show thread where you can submit questions and comments that we will address at the end of each weekly episode bulu jenkins rights in fresh dick friday on the 404 super awesome yep it's gonna go to alliteration be especially friday for a while so these are questions about the game destiny ok Lou Jenkins says have the expansions and update / changes to destiny kept either of you hate playing the game or have you completed your destiny rehab and shut it down are any of the expansions from the past and the future worth returning to the game good question and this is very timely because I am right now in a destiny hiatus after eight months of playing thank God I am NOT playing destiny we had a life pretty nice to be able to take a break even though I did enjoy a while I was playing it had the expansions changed so it's interesting thus alas expansion that came out had all these features the community wanted all these upgrades where you could like upgrade old guns that you had to the like max power levels and you could like bring them out of storage and it was like amazing and super cool and the end results of that is that everyone upgraded their favorite guns and then had zero motivation to play any of the new content so is this like really thoughtful nice thing to do for community that was already disenchantment widespread disenchantment Oh Mike they did add a very cool mode called trials of Osiris which is a very intense throughout three mode that if you love multiplayer and have like two other people that love multiplayer it is tremendous and super super fun but other than that it's been hard for me to get motivated yeah I played taken king and l3 what do you think of that really enjoyed what I play yeah but there's still a lot of question marks like how much like am I going to be able to carry over from the old game is it even good for me to carry stuff over because again it might just make me lose all my motivation god I'm so good it's a fun game they are they are well made games they're well made but and they have gotten better over time from what it's a slow burn a destination slow it launched very weak I am just so glad to not be a part yeah it's i'm glad that i have a multiplayer game yeah that like i play on the right because it's literally it like other splatoon that's true you could get into cook yet in splatoon but like this is good to have like a game that i can play with friends sure it's like a social experience like playing good it's great but nerdier but we know you don't like golf I actually do like up I'm just bad at it well yes Side Story Russ and I one time played around to golf and and when it involved a great deal of rust picking up his ball in throwing it towards the green very effective hey followed by F this game yeah and yeah a falcon ultra says how was your guys's fourth of July weekend did I bring Dylan out to see some fireworks question did Dylan freak out no that was he is caused by some idiot saaphyri yeah like he heard him I think he's too young to be freaked out like he's at the point he's only three months old so he's at the point where anything startles this kid sure like the fan the ceiling fan freaks him out yeah uh so you know I I'll grab his foot know be like oh yeah holy dead yeah you're quick so the long as it's sustained right that becomes normal like his his entire existence is a non-stop cavalcade of stimulant yeah right so he's just constantly taking the world in 24 hours a day uh eight hours a day this guy's not for a lot he said he slept nine hours last wow so he's he's well on his way to becoming the the lazy dad that I am yeah so anyway he um you know he was out we had a BBQ that I was at in my hometown we did we had a nice little thing we passed the myrrh and it was a nice experience all my extended friends and family got to meet him that was a lot of fun and then we drove back to hoboken that night and the cool thing about that is when you know you make that drive towards Manhattan me you know where Hoboken is uh you know we left like nine o'clock at night on the right way that's great and the whole way back you all you do is see fireworks we had the sunroof open and we're just having our own fireworks display the entire 40 minute drive back to of the city you weren't driving you were your stick your head out of the roads you can kind of just look up the whole time or not worry as long as you have ez pass you're sure you don't have to look any GPS how about you how was James good i hung out with my girlfriend's family out in Long Island and you know it was a lot of fun we had a good time good weather surprisingly was supposed to be gross had some fireworks and there was also a small baby there that didn't seem to care about the fireworks so I know that's probably on par I think you know and I and Marty doesn't carry their martyr doesn't care about anything well he does if you touch him always sleeping he freaks it well if you touch me while I'm sleeping I'll probably freak out well we'll see how it pans out we'll see how that pans out tonight um and uh the great thing about him is like he took me a thunderstorm yeah yeah he's like whatever he's like an old man yes oh man old soul finally we'll finish this off with flying donkey 04 was very active in our subreddit appreciate that flying donkey up big big news at ed three was the remake of a classic Final Fantasy game Final Fantasy 7 yeah so he uses that and says hey is final fantasy 7 is that remake another sign that we are in a wave of 90s nostalgia and we are and I'll get two more that as well you know music games TV shows fashion where the nineties really that great or will we realize that it just seemed great because we were kids during that decade we just don't know anybody yeah it happens every single time like every decade this happens contrary to what he's saying I think we're actually at the tail end of the 90s nostalgia happening I still think 80 stuff is still pretty popular it's but I think it'll be as like it it's sort of stabilized like I think it'll just be as popular for a while as it's been yeah in the same way that like 70s like rock music is still popular you know what I mean though you're seeing there's always be a place for it in culture but will not be as dominant front as it is whereas right now it feels like 90 s like cultural references and stuff like that have really taken over I think it's more early 90 stuff because I feel like halfway through the 90s then 90 the 80s hangover left because a lot of this stuff yeah if you and we it's funny we there's a lot of overlap with yesterday's B's guess but we talked about this thing called vaporwave yeah you know what that is now vaporwave is like that 90's nostalgy late eighties nostalgic um aesthetic works like shitty clipart oh yeah windows 95 like those freaky frizzy clubs yeah like you know pixelated characters and you know lots of neon I think like Nittis ya think of the opening credits to save by the bell and that's exactly where it is weird Square and weird you know odd things quiggily Nickelodeon double dare ya you know think of that oh so you're saying that fashion is like sort of back now and the music so like you look at like calm throughs you look at kavinsky basically the soundtrack to drive yeah where it's like taking this synth infused sort of thing and turning it on its head and believe it or not mtv has just gone through a whole rebranding is that exactly yeah there's a motherboard which is vice is sort of tech branch did a whole piece on that so you can check that out and about thing yeah it's well that's especially funny because you would think mtv would be going after like the 12 13 year old crowd yeah but no but they're digging this yeah they find some sort of like you know for its to them it's probably like what the 60s and 70s were to us where it's like we did a Billabong and entire like tie-dye to us yeah this is to that slap bracelets yeah which apparently are still popular oh yeah up so excellent alright well this was great man yeah I think we have a very solid first situation he's delight you can follow us on twitter at ross rustic yeah please do that and then follow myself at jeff bakalar follow the show as well that's at 404 you can check out our subreddit check out our Facebook page and then do us a favor once again 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