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The 404 - CBS News' Vladimir Duthiers, gravitational ripples, Deadpool review, Firewatch, Ep. 1649

2016-02-12
hey what's going on everybody thank you so much for tuning in to the 404 show it's Friday februari 12 2016 it's always a great pleasure when we can bring someone on this program who has never been on before that's right is it me if you ladies over for the first time ever mr. Vladimir do th thank you so much for having me it is our pleasure it is a long time coming you sir are a CBS News anchor he doesn't look anything like account we were talking about this last week is that what I first heard your name right I got this guy's live Impaler yeah some not even vampire like a general a general count yeah and that's the first thing i said i said i didn't know counts could World War potentially not vampire good part you know the account is is the highest level like of I think account it's like count and then King and I couldn't bug Duke I think it's a or maybe it's King Duke count right we're maybe not like any wrong week I you're right up there it's up I'm on my way up there I had no idea that that was the hierarchy I was just like oh I count is what they give out like a party feed or maybe it's the lowest for all lines important castle if you can take a castle you gotta be pretty high up there you that crap anyway no let's talk about his actual accomplishments absolutely so uh Vlad and I met what was it may be like a year and a half yeah when CBS n started and we were talking a lot before we started recording about your very interesting and diverse sort of path to where you are right now the outer life so right now you are a CBS n anchor CBS CBS news correspondent and you talk about how you also have decades of your life that you spent in finance before you even start doing this yeah yeah so you told us this story right and it led up to the two right at the point where you're like I need to change my life you're a captive captain of industry you've got a yes I was Matt yet can ship around the world being a totally doped bad yeah and then suddenly catharsis hits yeah and you have I mean explain how this all played um yeah and to that point about like you know I was in I took a colleague of mine to Hong Kong one year he had never traveled with me abroad for a business meeting and just to give you a sense of like where I was here we fly into Hong Kong and I'm like do we have to go out like as soon as we land because of the time difference and we don't want to get sprayed up with our internal clock so we'll just go out just having a strategy for that alone shows you how I have that much preparation I like I've been doing it for a while so we go into this something I'm gonna take you to like one of my favorite spots in Hong Kong and he's like okay so we walk into this dislike club bar thing and there's like a torch singer like on the stage and she's doing you know fly me to her mood nice and I come in and he's with me and she's like you know let me play hi Vlad oh my mom the star and he's like double take he's like wait wait dude what just happened she's not being punked right now right he had no clue like he's like that well I'm like I come here a lot he's like what we're in Hong Kong I'm like I know it's like it was that kind of a life right you live in it I was doing you know and I had I was working for a great company and but so I was in stockholm on this business trip I'm with a colleague and uh I had this epiphany that although I enjoyed finance and I'd spent almost you know 19 years close to 20 years of my life in finance um it was not very fulfilling for me I was a journalism undergrad major I wrote for my high school newspaper had a radio show in college wrote for my college newspaper what college too good I went to the University of Rhode Island go roadie Christiane Amanpour also went there John case I didn't know they have like a legacy of life they kind of do you know wasn't a huge journal as a program but you know Christian is one of the world's great legendary journalist john king also went there and some others and so um I was at URI and I was writing for the school newspaper and I was I watched like 60 minutes religiously the way I still do but even then it was like I'd watch at Bradley and mike wallace and Morley Safer in all these guys on and the evening news and I was all over the place I'd watch Sam Donaldson on ABC and I'd watch you know Ted Koppel and broke on and John Chancellor all these old-school guys I knew who the Moreau boys were Eric severide I wanted to be a reporter that was my goal um but somehow I you know we were talking about how I got sidetracked from that and but then all of a sudden I found myself going like what am i doing and that was decade that was decades later dude it was like it was like you know I was 37 yeah right so I was old i am old and I'm not old yeah I don't tell me I mean as someone that has like gone through that bad 32 and certainly has gone through that period of like I'm gonna change my career can I even do that and you even do it right it'll add a is it allowed and will people like laugh at you and yet it kind of did and it was like you know so I came back and I made a lit I was on the flight home and I made this list and I'm like what can I do what are my interest and um there were a couple of things that were like we're running through my mind one like I sort of have subscribed to this like Buddhist notion that you know the key to immortality is doing something that is worth remembering and I didn't feel up until that point in my life that I had done anything worth remembering it was all great for me share and for my you know loved ones but it had done nothing for the world and I think I know people think that's likely shade or corny but that's literally how I felt and so I started writing down like you know teaching and like federal law enforcement I don't like you know doing something you know I and so and then I kept writing like writer reporter journalist but I thought that's gonna be so hard because it's such a tough industry to break into and I'm fairly old and or older but but it's what I love that's what I love doing I was a political junkie news junkie and so I started to think about it I get back to work and in New York and my boss who was the CEO of our international division at the time was a really cool guy and he said I kind of confided in him I said look I'm thinking about I'm going through this thing and I you know I she did bounce it off of you and he goes he goes okay so you want to be you want to go into journalism he's like that's a dying industry dude he's like why would you you know and I said I I don't know this is what I really think I was meant to be dead this is coming out of me yeah so um so I start trying to like while I'm still working i start like sending out my resume to a couple of people and I go an interview at a couple of places which will remain a name because because they looked at my resume and they're like going through it and they're like like what on your resume is indicating reported right and also it's like three pages long as like things that I've done like I was in like you know when I was in the army and I done all these things and they're like you know you've been at like 30 countries and f you know you're managing director this is a production assistant job oh sure it pays like 28,000 right here and I'm like I'll take it and they're like no you won't like you will well here let me draw this out for you what's your name flat okay that's what you made in a month but it was literally like there's like no and you know they're like you have a team of people that report to you from all around the world yeah and you're gonna be working for somebody who's like 26 yeah and they're gonna be screaming at you like go get me coffee and like go print these out so what's going on in your head you're like this sounds great yeah I was just like I want to learn I want to learn and I just said you know if you give me a shot I know I can do this and there's another there's another kind of a Buddhist aspect to that which is that you know um we're always learning we're always students like in life is about like you if your if your life is a cup you want to empty the cup once in a while and if you are half-empty you can refill that vessel with knowledge and information what's the weight I'm into that I I can do it right I will entertain every sort of school of thought when you're emptying the cup what are you empty the garbage at this stuff you just stuff like in your life exactly the things that you know that you don't need any more things that you you know it's about decluttering okay that's right Zuckerberg where's the hoodie every day and and jobs were they lack because you want to declutter your life of the things that you don't need you don't make a decision right right to like changing your you know picking out an outfit every day just wear the same thing yeah so yeah like I can I'm I I can do that and I can just see an HR person going this guy thinks like journalism or television production is glamorous and he's gonna find out real quick right now and it's terrible and he has a mortgage to pay their origin is good for them it looks badly on them if they hire someone that's miserable and has exactly right there's a lot of variables that's running against this whole thing exactly so I had a couple of moments where I did that and then I realized that it was not gonna work out that you know that i could get hired this way so i applied to columbia journalism school and i figured i made a deal with myself I went to URI which is a great university i love the University of Rhode Island but I wasn't the best like student Karen I was there you know is a gentleman see ya say I like that right Jenna Bush yes like bush and so I was like if I can get into Columbia and that will be maybe the universe indicating to me that that I should move forward yes I can't then you know I should just continued like fine I'll fly to the four seasons in total you have this all right um and so I apply to columbia get in and my idea was applying to graduate school would mean that I would be able to get an internship mm-hmm if I got an internship then then your foots in the door in the door and I'm off to the races and then it's not that as weird it's not as we're even though so I'm sure it's it what you should have seen so i get i get into Columbia and then I first march into this uh career services up office and Julie Hartenstein who's still there at Columbia um says to me she's the same thing she's like ah I wanna so if we put you in an internship like and then you kind of get a job offer what are your expectations of how you're gonna get paid I'm like I know like do we even get paid at that level and she said okay you're totally ready for that a lot of people who are career changers even at Columbia go there and they think like I've been doing something for 10 or 15 years I should be paid commensurate with like my riches outrageous right and so not in journalism ok so anyway so I go there and I start j school and I apply for an internship at Siena at CNN and I get the job I get this internship and then like a week or so before the internship we go to ache on a class field trip true story to CNN and I'm not have not started the internship yet and Anderson Cooper's our guest speaker okay and Anderson comes in and there's like me and my like class and you know he comes in and he does his like you know here's how I started and here's like you know the things that I you know would recommend for young budding journalist and you know I keep raising my hand and asking questions like I'm like mr. Cooper he's like oh you can call me understand i'm like okay so um this is super embarrassing he's like super famous and I'm in awe of Anderson Cooper like and um I asked a couple of questions and then my professor goes oval ads gonna be an intern here like starting like in a week and he goes up to come by and see me when you start your internship and I'm like okay I I definitely will yeah and I start the internship and I never go by and see him in fact like he sits Jeff if you you've been to the CBS News room yeah so you see where the CBS n anchor desk is and you see like where all those people said like I SAT like right there and he said he'd come down every night he would your show he's with an earshot he's like as close as you are and I'm just like I can't like I you know you know what in the middle of the show yo wait yeah hey what's up going on me like that wondered who was like asking you questions in the meeting and so um but but the long story long story short is I go into eventually a producer says well if he said that to you he means it right so I go into his office one day she's like glad I Anderson member Vlad and he's like hey what's up like you never came by and I'm like what's up mark in the days of life such a snob why you won't even talk to me and so um we start talking and this was in so I'd been in my internship for like three months or four months and I just gotten an offer actually from Christian I was working for Christiane Amanpour on her show to be a production assistant after the internship ended and this was in December of 2009 and the so Anderson and I are talking and he you know was intrigued by my background in like the decisions and why I was here I'm 38 years old and I'm wearing like I was wearing like I wore my wall street clothes as an intern that's why like every day yeah this is such a good time I was wearing like a three-piece suit right and people like one day Ivan Watson who's like a senior international correspondent for CNN came in and he was like on our floored me to talk to Christianity and he runs it i mean he's like excuse me sir I'm looking for Christiane Amanpour his office I'm like oh I have not take you there and he's like so what are you like a VP I'm like nah man in turn he's like snapping why are you wearing that suit I'm like dress for the job you exactly i only clothes I feel like so so Paris is intrigued and we are talking and like he finds out that you know my father's family is friend and my mother's family's from Haiti my patient ancestry and where he's like oh dude I'll of Haiti Haiti is like an incredible country have done so many reports from there and do you speak the language and I'm like yeah and he's oh that's so cool he's all right like you know like good catching up like if your internship is up like send me your resume blah blah blah fine three weeks later the earthquake in Haiti and that night the night of the earthquake the earthquake happened at about 5 p.m. local time our time here in New York um I get a call from his executive producer and he says hey Anderson's on the last flight out of JFK tonight and he wants to know if you want to go as like his interpreter / like production assistant Wow whatever and I dude I had never done anything in journalism yes except be an intern sure and so and they're like and we didn't know how bad it was going to be and when we got to Haiti uh so the the EP was like a just like Pat for like three days like these things will like you know we'll do a couple of days and then we'll probably move on to another story but when we got there obviously it was the biggest most most devastating most tragic incident like in decades right um and we were there for an entire month and change and I got hired at what during my time in Haiti I got hired as a staff I was a freelance of ramen pour the CNN offered me a staff job on ac360 Cooper 360 um and yeah and that's how it started I started as you know as a PA and then an AP and then I would do my own kind of reporting enterprise reporting on the side and I would go to Anderson and ask him to help me with my scripts or with my video and I still hadn't decided if i want to be a producer or non air purse but um he help sort of guide me and he's been he has been and is an incredible mentor throughout my entire career that and the career that I've had since I came into news he's been a sounding board along with them his executive for the executive producer of that show Charlie Moore I'm who basically allowed me to blossom from being a PA to an AP and then eventually a reporter and so yeah and that's how that's amazing that's like when you hear these stories of like battlefield commissions where people are like in the end like crazy stuff happened yeah and they move up the ranks like because of all the amazing stuff that's going on and obviously you were very involved in that but it literally like where it was and it's funny I was talking to my mom about that and you know we were talking about Haiti and how it's such a it was such a tragedy I mean I was talking about this to some of our young ApS yesterday at CBS and I was saying how you know you you can't imagine how devastating even I mean you you guys will remember the coverage of Sharon your head but until you're on the ground sure yeah and you know you see thousands of bodies yeah in a pit or you know hundreds of bodies lining the street as people pull them out yeah and um it was something that you know I hope I'll never have to lift through again but my mom and I were talking and she was like you know there were two things that we sort of had a discussion about one that could have been me in one of those pits where I buried in an unmarked grave hey deke if I had just happened to be visiting family friend or somebody there right because there are a lot of them Haitian Americans who died yeah in that right in that earthquake um and also the way life is isn't it strange that this country that is part of my ancestry somehow also gave birth to my career right every now and and and you don't want to think about it that way I mean a lot of journalists careers are made on like the terrible things that happen in the world yeah but this one was especially close to me and yeah I was there for like a month and and I came back and um I you know I wasn't pressing either I wasn't like hey I want to be a reporter I just sort of like I'll do what I need to do to learn and I'm not going to bother anybody and say I should be on the air or something it was basically Anderson who would say can I see your video and I see your stand-ups and he'd give me some guidance and then and then yeah and then CNN to CNN's credit um they they cultivate young talent and I say young meaning like young in the industry Ron and they then like you know gave me a shot to be a correspondent what's funny about that real quick is that they originally said we want to send you out to London to be a business correspondent for the names of your back because of my background I was like I don't know like yeah they're like what like whoa that's what we figured that would be such a natural fit for you hey I'm like I kind of left business cuz I got into it and he's like yeah I mean like I like business stories and you but I don't like you know it was it was sort of a I didn't want to stand in front of a magic wall and go here's what the market right or even the best business story is never going to be the emotional impact of like a serious right which was not what you were chasing exactly so he goes well the only other thing we got to be frank with you as we needa put we need a reporter in West Africa specifically Lagos Nigeria and I'm like okay that sounds good he's like are you serious and I'm like yeah I'm like you know he goes all right he's you're not gonna have a producer I like he's like all try to dissuade he's basically saying don't yeah he's like you know it's gonna be hard like at least in London there's writers and producers and they can help you grow and yeah I know but that sounds good and he goes all right so I fly back to New York and I come into this CNN office in New York and Anderson goes hey come into my office he goes you're gonna be a CNN correspondent that's incredible yeah um first of all he wrote letters of recommendation to the brass at CNN but but but he goes and he goes yeah and um he goes and you're going to Nigeria I got what you know about that I I flew home and I was thinking like I probably too hasty Nigerian people get kidnapped it's like you know they're sure that it's enough that stuff happens and I go I don't know if I want to do that he goes well did you say you were interested in that he's like because yeah he's like I haven't heard London I don't think lemons on the table he's like you're going to Lagos dude and um I was like all right and he's like and he actually again he was like look glad it's an incredibly important position West Africa is an incredibly important region a lot of things going on there and if you can prove that you can do the job of being an international correspondent in one of the toughest bureaus and it is one of the toughest bureaus in the world for any news organization yeah then I have no doubt that when that assignment is up like bigger things will come on the verizon and he was absolutely right my my time was up in Nigeria and I can end up at CBS News what does that Bureau look like it's uh it's it's my office is smaller than this room and it's like edit we all work out of like this production center where the BBC guys I kind of major organizations yeah so we're all like looking out for each other right kind of in it together and it's but in terms of like the people in your Bureau like how many people um there were 20 or so people come from you know different like from other African countries my camera woman her name is free tokoto II she's an amazing she was from Kenya CNN camera woman on the BBC guy was from he was a you a British guy his girlfriend um was from Kenya she was producer um there were you know Nigerians some South Africans yeah so I think I'd such an amazing story right now everybody's talking about how you know I know you but I don't know you yeah and now now that's it because I knew about Anderson Cooper and and that's a relationship you still hold on yeah I mean he you know um he uh has been like I said he's a sounding board for a lot of things and you know Anderson is a CBS News horse- you people asked me like what's your goal the goal is like Anderson or yeah you know 60 minutes and things like that but Anderson does six dozen to 60 minutes and you know and he's obviously also CNN correspondent but he's just you know um there are a lot of people in my life that have that have helped me and have nobody gets to any place in life without like somebody giving you a leg up more um you know holding ladder down for you but to me like a guy like Anderson has had such a profound impact on my life because he never looked at me and and thaw like okay you know everybody wants to do this and he whatever it is that he saw and um I'm thankful every day that he helped cultivate that right you know and and help point me in the right direction and whether it was writing my scripts initially I mean I was a production assistant and a colleague of mine who was also a PA it's it's 360 we flew to haiti on our own dime yeah and shot a story on along on a child molester but when we came back we were we just done it for like I was going to submit it as my master's project at Columbia and for whatever reason I didn't end up doing that and one day I came into work and Charlie Moore the EP said to me you know you should send that script to like standards and practices because we're going to run that package tonight on see on 360 Wow it was a five minute piece I was a production I was in a reporter all right my story ran with me as the reporter crazy on CNN in prime time I think I can't tell what I'm more impressed with with your with your whole story because for me it's like oh my god the the amazing will like that's the way so when you're talking about when you're talking about people giving you a leg up early artists and obviously there have been great people helping you out but it's clear to me at every step of this way at least in in you describing it that there were instances where most people would be like that enough it's gotta go to Nigeria all right i mean like i am first of all it it it was a huge hit on my income obviously because i was i started as an intern was I that was the last unpaid internship class I think it's CNN um and then I had these huge tuition bills at Columbia yeah yeah and then I had a mortgage and like you know and had living expenses and I wasn't getting it no money was coming in yeah so I had some saved but a lot of it went to so it's like for two years whatever i had saved went for tuition and living and what the work I was doing was not really any kind of compensation that added to the pot right right and then even when I got promoted to being a correspondent Nigeria believe it or not is one of the most expensive countries to live in if you're you know not Nigerian and dry yeah because it's an oil-rich economy and they just squeeze you for like if to have a a modern and normal apart i've got no get expensive Harry so and then yes you are dealing with people who are much younger than you yeah who are your bosses and who television is a you know a tough business where you get yelled at a lot in the control room and you know people freak out over things and it's hard you know I'm sitting there one day I was getting screamed at by somebody i'm thinking like dude I am 38 years yeah what would you know what's happening yeah and this guy's like going off on me but I was able to take a step back and say I've only been in television or I've only been in journalist in journalism a year or two years he's been in journalism five years or six years he knows what he's talking about I don't know what I'm going or what I'm talking about so I may be older I may have traveled more than he has I'm a new may even know more about why even the style recovering life in general advice guys been here is what he's doing that's amazing and and maybe it plays into the you're sort of like you know outlook on everything the way you were sort of explained to us earlier but maybe that's it to have that kind of attitude and calms the only way to do it amazing you got to be able to take your ego out of it that's people say to me how did you become an intern in like you know because you say whatever I thought I was before this I am NOT that yeah and if even if I thought that I was that nobody really gives a crap and so um I'm not gonna let this bother me even now when somebody gets in my ear and they say that was stupid that you you know why you you see me hace BSN I sometimes say things that you know are like you know they just really bad you know and I'm like oops sorry yeah but that's only because you know I've been very successful I've had a what some people would say is a fairly rapid ascent into the industry i mean when i got the job at sea at CBS and um one day Chris licked the executive producer of CBS this morning asked me to fill in for Charlie Rose em for a whole week it's pretty on CBS this morning it and my mind was blown I actually was again I still sometimes think like are you serious because I'm really not you know I called right is that a Yeti I said really me or you you want somebody and i remember i texted with anderson and he wrote again something that just made me feel good he said you know from being like an intern in June I think I said I know what I was I sent them a TBT like a throwback Thursday sure of that class field trip with him with my J school class and I was like throwback Thursday and he's like when was that I'm like June of 2009 and he goes so from being an intern to scope ever a knot around Oh anchoring yes this morning with Gail you know King and Norah O'Donnell yeah in five years is who's doing that story I want that story because that's something I wanna yeah but you know one thing Jeff Andrews I'm so glad you guys have me on this podcast because the one of the reasons I I love journalism and one of the things that makes it so exciting for me why I've always wanted to be a journalist is to talk about all the stuff that like I've looked in your run down that we're gonna talk about today we've been talking about me it's all about me no but that's a boy because i think it's interesting yeah I mean people don't have an insight obviously people see people on TV reporters anchors correspondence what have you but the process behind it of like how people get to where they are i think it's personally fascinating yeah like so yeah thanks and all good it's it's not just hubris yeah and it's not you know and sure you could you could sort of parlay that into the conversation like but this is a CBS company it's all connected right we're learning about you know how this sort of came to be and whence CBS did acquire our company uh you know I guess the the fruits of that merge have shown up in things like interactive and with with CBS a right stuff like that so just for a second before we get into the stories that we have here in our rundown I do want to get to those I want to talk about CBS n with you for four hot second and get your sort of vibe as to like you know where you see that sort of going cuz i think you know being the first to me when I when I first start to like understand what some BSN was yeah well this is really important right something that no one else really does yeah I mean I I know you're very intimately involved in it and I've been super psyched to be a part of it as well in the capacity that I've been but this is day to day hat how do you sort of see it in the landscape of this evolving news uh you know sort of app so you know um Leslie Moonves our boss yeah during the earnings call this week uh he talked about CBS n that was one of the things that he talked about and it was interesting because when this was being launched I was super interested in it even though I didn't think I'd be a part of it because I was hired at CBS to be a correspondent and um and it was just uh you know by happenstance that they said to me hey do you want to be a part of this and so um but the thing about CBS n is Leslie has said that this looks like this is something that is going to be very very important to the organization and that's because we are tapping into we have younger viewers yeah average age of the people who watch CBS n um is under 40 right um the amount of time that they spend now this is the thing that a lot of people will say well who wants to watch something on the internet or more than five or ten minutes well CBS n is proving that the average time in some cases is you know 25 or 26 minutes in some cases close to an hour when people will watch what's going on you know um and so the and finally that I guess the last component of it is when people say what was this new for see it is and it isn't the CBS n is CBS News right and so what that means is you know what edward r murrow did and David Rhodes and I the president of CBS have talked about this a couple times that you know in a way I kind of liken what we're doing to what the Merrow boys did in that CBS radio the time existed and they sent Murrow out to you know Europe to record classical music and features pieces and then all of a sudden the looming clouds of war started to appear and all of a sudden he figured out we'll know there's there's something of interest here that I can report back and write that some people back in New York CBSNewYork were like wait what yeah he wants to talk about like the rise of Hitler nobody but that's the same thing we're the legacy of you know bringing new two people and doing it understanding who we are as an organization who we have been for the last 75 80 years but just doing it on this platform that's really the only difference is that we're doing it on this platform and we're opening it up to a new generation of people who might not be into you know watching television you know on a regular basis yes and I see it as this constant 24-7 sort of like backbone to the coverage that the the entire sort of bigger pictures responsible exactly and that's the way I kind of position it to people when they say when I go oh I'll check out my CVS n segments i did a little thing on that they're like oh okay well they watchin like wait what is this right and that's how i sort of you know doux-doux the the elevator pitch to what exactly i mean i'm looking here so you know mr. Moonves said you know on this earnings call that you know CBS n has attracted more viewers every single quarter since we launched in november of 24 2014 that is good and clearly that and he says that clearly this is where the future of news is going to be and we're going to be there and so yeah yeah we're there so fun that's cool it's good stuff I love being a part of that I haven't been on a little bit back on bro we need you back on cornering you right I know we're gonna do that like is this is your way to like entice all part of the plan glad I'm uh you know there's a there's a method to the madness all right we're gonna pivot into some of the stories that we have in our rundown a lot of stuff transpiring over the week let's get into it on Twitter had a very strange week yeah twitter is uh going through some i don't know identity crisis situations and that's not just this week that's been going yeah they're sort of trying to figure it out definitely I think this week maybe they're more self-aware other arm I read a piece in New York Times uh you know and this all goes back to in earnings uh uh sorta call that they had weather like yeah we we made a little bit of more money than we did last quarter but our users just not happening yeah I can't grow they can't grow their user base bottom line and wall street sees that as like this major ish yeah which is understandable right I think you know Wall Street has this projection of what they want Twitter to be to be like a facebook or a Google sort of situation and we're quickly will not me not quickly but we're finding out that that's probably not the case he um so this New York Times piece was really sort of interesting that I was a Farhad Manjoo wrote it and he said Twitter really needs and I I don't want to say like this is what I've been saying the whole time but dad talked about this is what you've been saying the whole time obviously he can put it a little more eloquently than maybe perhaps I can but you know twitter is not this money-making you know power Silicon Valley powerhouse right it wasn't built people sort of have viewed it as the quote unicorn which is like the Silicon Valley term for these companies like uber that you know we're built and are valued at outrageous sums certainly twitter is worth a ton of money but it was never the core idea of it is something that's very very hard to monetize and very hard to take advantage of and this is what they're running into not to mention the fact that they can't add additional people because especially younger folks are not using twitter they're using snapchat or they're using whatever so you know he sort of argues any and he says okay maybe Twitter just got to take a step back yeah and sort of say what the hell are we right are we really right and to me twitter has really always been a utility I agree it's just you're running water right I've just been this sort of transcription lifeline of the world a lot of crap on it a whole lot of ads a whole lot of spins a whole lot of junk to a whole lot of bots and whatnot on there but I mean you look at news coverage now and how often I are our tweet cited how often yeah all the time that that is the modern press release I mean you when you think that presidential candidates are using Twitter to get their message out or to attack other candidates or uh other people even in some cases that's remarkable yeah prefer it's the new wire it's that it's a wire and that's really what it is and you know hindsight's twenty-twenty you look back at facebook when it was a thing and yeah you could say like oh they're gonna make this like they'll figure this out this is just like a shared interest sort of flight Google there people are searching for stuff we can speak in cell that there's value in that information in that data but with Twitter it's like oh no this is just people sort of expressing and and and reporting and you know it's basically the real world real life just get kind of getting written down but why so Facebook has been able like we used to sort of like maybe about two years ago three years ago when Facebook's was like I'm getting into mobile people were like ha ha ha ha like that's so hard to do and you're not that but they have clearly proven that they that's where they're moving here so why is Twitter struggled then I mean a facebook has been able to reinvent themselves i mean i don't think that yes we all know that like facebook is not what it was you know five six seven years ago but this messenger app that's where they're making all their money yeah I mean I think they just have an easier path to being lucrative I just think there's enough sort of personalized advertising personalized sort of messaging that they're able to harness there's so much cruft on facebook that that people infuriate people like they hate it like oh why am i seeing all the sponsors that I want my seeing all these recommended stories and all that stuff is obviously built on your likes and dislikes and all that stuff and none of that exists on Twitter right it's much more service it's very survivable they tried with moments but right now it's just not have never clicked one is like moments is just basically like kind of the front page right right is essentially reinforcing their sense of utility right it was always very tech space oh you mean like a huffpo where there's just like so much stuff on there that you're to me moments is like the stuff that's trending that's not crap right you know that not about freaking one direction or whatever yeah I feel like oh this is an important moment right sometimes it's Kanye sometimes it's whatever but you know it I guess you obviously that's curated damned yeah um but yeah I I that's what I've sort of think I don't think they're saying Oh moments is the way to you know right really becoming this mega power house you know money-making operation so they think the so do they think then that rearranging my time line is the way to do it which is part of the news right I think they what they want to do you're saying there's that you as you were saying the organized this new news feed where these most important tweets are at the top right essentially they've reorganized it and I guess the logic is that they want to create more engagement so they want all these people that are using it that aren't just browsing they're not just looking at they pick the things that people are actually gonna like reply to and chair and and just by you know what we've been conditioned to understand about how the internet makes money is that like the beginning of the path to be like okay well this is like much more focused so now that's that's more valuable and we can potentially like intercept that and sell that right right I guess that's the thinking uh so that they're flirting with sort of rearranging your timeline um there was a story I sort of skimmed over about verified users getting a more differ a different sort of timeline layout than maybe some reason which I was like okay yeah so that would be interesting yeah which is weird too because it's like you know when the whole verified thing which is still like this baffling behind closed doors like how does that yeah like I remember when we when we had at cnet there was just like an email that went around like hey somebody knows a guy at Twitter guys won't blue checkmark sexy name is ally cool you want that really yeah I want that yeah sign me up and I was it I was like so I know that processes become a little more regular yeah okay yeah but yeah it's it's a weird time for this company I think uh with that being said we uh could you get through your day without Twitter how many times a day twitter is the only social network that I am constantly because it's great yeah and you know what there's a lot of interaction it's the only real social network that I am super I love to reciprocate on Twitter that's my thing yeah maybe I feed the trolls a little bit maybe I eat without reservation do that but for whatever reason you do feed Ike I don't feed them I if that I don't say it be them but like if someone comes and says something directly to me yeah I'll likely have a while is remark I back at it because it's effortless yeah yeah there's no time right man I don't know yeah I mean I I don't I you know I think for me it's a little harder because uh were clearly were on the air and there's an association with that so I don't feed the trolls I my thing is um well I have never figured out about twitter is like and you know you my girl friend who works s used worker ProPublica she works at last week tonight with John over now she's always like you know you don't have to thank everybody or you don't have to like she's like that's too spammy you're like spamming my like and I'm like well I don't know it isn't that what reciprocation is all about like somebody's like hey dude I like that piece and you're like oh thanks man thanks dude and she would only see those thanks if she follows as right as well right yeah I don't know I think it's nice to thank people on Twitter I think that's so frequent that negativity just spawns out of these realms right just like trolls and awful people when people say nice things you just want to acknowledge it like thank you very much totally and have your like say thank you acknowledge something like that and then getting gotten something backwards like all man that's so awesome yeah not only that that's very I've also gotten like trollee messages and I've responded one in like a very earnest like really that's not cool dude and then the most like apologetic like I don't know what was wrong with me that day I was just feeling weird yeah it's that epiphany like oh did you that's it that's a great point like cuz I on my pits the same thing sort of like I the same concept on my public facebook page people will like comment to me and say hey like you know I don't really like what you said about this yeah and I'll say oh I'm sorry like what like you know it's have a conversation about right and then they always go oh you know I didn't mean to sound like a or something I just wanted to you know voice my opinion I'm like that's totally fine i'm happy to you know understand what you're talking about and let me tell you where you know where our sources are what our reporting tells us and then i just think that that's okay i think generally it's like when people respond like in an angry fashion or they respond trollee back that people then go oh and then night then it becomes like the Twitter moderating it's all that's that situation our constantly describing is like it's sort of like this does not compute thing that happens in people's heads where it's like oh there's this anonymity on the internet that I'm sort of protected by oh wait a minute real life people on the other end of this I they do this about fast right and yeah it's like all month all right my bad mother right if you're probably a nice guy right I have like a family is a rough day as a rough day lot of traffic yeah like uh so yeah that is definitely thing will continue to watch Twitter and see just what the hell that company's gonna do I love it though because Twitter is not going anywhere yeah like no one has to worry about that will they constantly be doing like internal you know restructuring here till two you know the end of the session they'll wrap to a point of like steady good profitability it's probably not as big as the company is right now but don't get there yeah yeah it's an it seem like I said it's the only one I like yeah yeah I mean yeah I do you know I'm on snapchat and I do you know some of the other things but I mean yeah I find it very useful you know when I was exactly a good examples when I was in West Africa a lot of the things a lot of the tips that we would get that you know we would obviously check out but people would say hey Vlad you know I'm in this village and this is what's going on you know uh you know Boko Haram exploded a bomb I see this I see that and we could say wow we got to get down there and you know it was very very useful yeah in that sense you know I don't know that you're talking about in the US vs like in the in some of the emerging markets here where they use it on a regular beer soup er connected do you like the social media and um uh like just in like wired they're very wired in you know so it's helpful it's an invaluable tool and you know that's why I just I think it's the most important social net back if that's a thing you can say about social networks um okay I want to get really out there kind of nerdy space stuff a real big space discovery yeah so have you heard about this yeah dude they discovered the gravitational waves an Einstein's theory that was like in his general theory of relativity is like actually provable they've heard sound they're like oh he was right he was right this is confirmed yes we have sensitive enough instruments now that can tect the ever pulsating gravitational force we can measure that we can sniff that out of the universe I am and I'm like okay that sounds assistant awesome on paper right I'm like what the hell does that mean so I went right to read it which is a perfect spot to go yes yes a great source for stuff to kind of explain stuff to me like I'm five years old which is a fantastic subreddit that we constantly frequent and the highest voted comment sort of breaks it down and obviously you know when you're on reddit you got to take everything with maybe a grain of salt and sort of say okay well this is one explanations and this has been the easiest thing that I've been able to digest yeah so if you're really sort of trying to wrap your head around just what the hell these discovery of gravitational waves means here is the very new you oh you need yeah okay Russ it's fine explain it like a live okay so there's like Milt there's milk and then someone pours some chocolate milk in the center the normal milk yeah and it creates a real big mess and then it falls off the edge what edge the roots edge because they were this flat okay okay then it's pouring off the edge hurry over down there carrying the county or through around uh wrong Lamela so I had so we had Derek pits who is an astronomer on CBS any other day and we kept hammering that we kept asking you but explain to us like we're five would not try it for three like we can't like make it even picture draw that right and at the end he said what i thought was which made a lot of sense to me he said um so Einstein positive that there were these or actually knew that there were these gravitational waves and as far as a practical application well it is allow it will allow scientists to know more about how the universe was created number one number two more about the physical world that we live in our planet man its solar system and what that means and where it is today and how these atoms came together to create this planet and our humanity and finally where it can be expected to go into the future I was like okay like that makes sense because you know people were saying it's like Alexander Graham Bell like and you know Watson come here kind of a thing kind of discovery but I I was saying it to Derrick I think for a lot of you can understand that you're talking to somebody in New York and Atlanta sure that makes sense but like what does this mean for us right it's tough to find a sort of practical application why it's like and and I think a lot of this also sort of says to the fact like oh we we're pretty smart right it you know obviously were the smartest we've ever been right we think we think maybe I don't know I shouldn't watch everything that but yeah like we you know we've come a real long way and you know a lot of the world is educated to the point where like oh that we kind of understand what that means people want to see like some sort of direct result likely in a product or some right where it's like oh man you and I can do ekadasi me well no that's not how like there's always work so I think that's a tough thing to explain to somebody who doesn't necessarily have an interest or a sort of background in science right and and and that sort of thing but it's definitely important but you know it's funny one of the things that I also asked Derek is um why and it's gonna say it's kind of a stupid question but it's like again I always ask like questions that I think our audience people like one asking and like maybe are afraid to ask because it's almost like you know when your people say well wires are only been one Mozart well there have been people who have been as talented as hurts our or Beethoven or you know any one of the great classical composers but you know the idea that there they exist in their own realm and that they're so above everybody else and I said the difference between like a wiser only a Mozart and Beethoven is that that's musical talent which is innate and like you know he creativity-wise who knows what's going on there right but I sign is math right and the thing that I've always been told it's you're a little kid right is like who cares how creative you are if you don't know how to add you can't do anything why you can you know and so why can't why haven't there been people that have been able to say even 20 or 30 years after Einstein put this out yeah I agree and because here my own calculations coincide with his sure and that's weird isn't it that had taken a hundred years for people to go yeah he was right well I don't know if the this was proof those the devices that they invented right we're strong enough to determine these things it wasn't so much math as it was the obviously the math drives technology but the technology got so sensitive and so accurate that they could see these waves and determine this data but it wasn't like oh I pull a notepad out and just that uh I don't think people were necessarily uh sort of like uh fighting Einstein on this yeah I don't think anyone's I'm sure they're people because on Twitter like his his official tweet did you see that not inside dude his official tweet like the Einstein you know the state to state or whatever hurt like tweeted mic drop yeah they like literally tweeted like you know haters boom like no I got 13 more right so clearly they were like yeah everybody maybe not that they didn't believe that it was unproven right right and and and with that unprovable ax t comes this sort of like mysterious like well well ya ya may that's what that's what he said right but I would like has neil degrasse tyson like been bad i haven't heard his take on because i'm really pretty opinionated he's pretty opinionated but i'm sure i don't think he's like oh I was wrong about like yeah right had that exactly right which think about the the the you know it's it hasn't been that long in the grand scheme of things but think about like since he posited that like what we've done right and it took that long for us I know there's something that it that is kind of mind-blowing to that we could use the general theory of relativity to send to figure out how to get a man to the moon yeah but we have Mabel to detect these the sounds about yeah you had to sample yeah believe it would work that's kind of what i think is mind-blowing and the fact that he was able to do it with the the the technologically stunted world that he was and not that was stunted but compared to right now it is is like night net yeah uh pretty that's that's pretty that's just one is cool it's like it's sort of like being i guess if you're you know if you could be galileo and say yeah you know I've never been out there now here's what I think right now and then like 100 years or 200 years a people go always evolution yeah exactly yeah and he did that was like a pro track and it's gonna telescope that's sweet so I know we're like you're using our smartphone right so if you guys not heard this theory that like you made an interesting point that we're getting were like as smart as we've ever been but there are some people who are now saying that the internet is actually because we have this wealth of information we did a stewardess and about ya like that we have all this info that we're actually getting dumber because we don't because when it when when we were when you only had a protractor and telescope you really had to calculate things out to to be sure right worse now you can just like google it and somebody else's calculations that you're basing your knowledge you're not reading a book or you're not and i guess you're not as focused as you once were you might you know if you only were studying this one topic and you were so focused you didn't have read it with it yeah you distract you from like your goals as a scientist the and now you're just like oh I can read about this and write about this and you're all over the place the the argument is that we don't retain anything yes in the argument but but but so like I understand that and here's what I'll get like a little heady with you right yes we don't retain that but the internet is essentially like a second brain do you understand we're saying where it's like you don't need to retain that because you don't that information only needs to be accessible when you need it so it's so like yes if you were able to download Wikipedia into your brain you would just nature's animation that would be that would be awesome sure and and maybe we're not that far away from something like that but it's but but again it's like Ross you looking at me like I'm such but with that you know what I'm saying yeah I don't necessarily think like because you can remember something that makes you smarter again like you do have to have cognitive ability to understand the information you're looking over and you can't just be like all the answers 830 shut up right there there needs to be watchin is are people doing that it and so that I think is you are III by that I buy that or at least by the idea that this could sort of be how we're evolving as a species yeah on the other hand like if you to me if you believe in the all-encompassing power of the Internet as your go-to for almost anything and that's what it is for a lot of people myself included but that you never ever decide to go deeper than what it is that you're like googling or whatever that to me can be a problem of course is innocent you get people like in the future running for office who've never studied anything about politics political history American history world history but all the information they have is from Twitter and from google families on things and they can pass off a good game totally and and I love that you brought that up because what was it two weeks ago last week we were talking about how there's a generation people that just don't care it was mostly about politicians but it was how people the truth doesn't matter right and I think that comes into that conversation about is the internet making us stupid because there's these all these shortcuts either don't care about the source the emotion source result but obviously the end result is determined by the source exactly you know I can actually take that and and take that and add another sort of metaphor to that and also plug CBS which is we're having the Grammys on CBS on Monday but we were talking about music and all these artists that have been nominated for Grammys and here's a just the discussion that I always have I think sometimes it feels with younger people but so you like make trainer okay or you like Adele and their amazing artists and there's nothing wrong with liking them they put out incredible music and they're incredibly talented but for me the way I've always been and part of like what has fueled my desire to be a journalist and and to meet people and talk to people is well if I hear a song like all about that bass and I hear that hook and I think to myself well that's really cool it's really interesting where did that come from so then I can say well you know Benny King was doing that when he was with the drifters and ward where did that come from and I can so the curiosity that takes me beyond just what's like right in front of me yeah Meghan Trainor or the internet whatever it is is what drives me to then say okay now I have a little bit of an understanding yeah Meghan Trainor's amazing I'm not gonna diss her and say she's derivative all music is at some level but but I can say I've got a active interest in understanding like why that music is so catchy 20 years today sure well because it's always been because people have been writing stuff like this for you know 30 or 40 years I don't know though I sometimes feel like I'm that's the nerd part of me um that even my sister would argue is like makes me a nerd is that like nobody cares why we just like Meghan Trainor and that's what well and that's sort of the thing and I'm sure you're aware having that connection to John Oliver show that conversation that he has with Edward Snowden which is this is a very important topic but you're exposing all of the stuff the government spying on us but the way it's delivered is delivered in the form of essentially vegetables it's like a very like stoic downer way appetizer on offers like well say they're sharing your dick pics yeah and people will care right and that was like the perfect encapsulation of this idea which is you need to not present it as vegetables you need to present it in a way that's digestible and interesting and true but also in a way that relates to people ya know we that is a real chance which is this inherently tragic thing to deliberate in internally yeah where it's like I it's almost like how do how does all that static just lower and just information come back to reality because we're in a situation right now where there's just really too much to distract like week we're losing we're losing cars right like we're not allowed to drive those and yeah because we can't be we can't be held responsible for driver drive they're too dangerous like we that that's getting taken away so I don't know I struggle a lot with that it's a really fun conversation to have yeah without you know but uh it's i love how we got there from like so the acoustical equipment that can detect these gravitation that's a dude like the next thing I'm Stein a positive was all about the rise and fall of Twitter turn the page on on gravitational ripples oh shitty oh my god how do you know about Jack doors that's crazy haha so we'll put up the link to that explain it like I'm five in in the show notes we're gonna we're gonna shift gears just a little bit I know you're a big comic book added yeah um are you looking forward to the Deadpool movie dude I'm so looking forward to this because i was when i first heard that they were making a Deadpool movie I was up I was like if it's like The Wolverine Origins Deadpool hi which ryan reynolds actually played that Deadpool do I was like then it's gonna be so lame yeah um and then I was also kinda I you know I was kind of bummed that Ryan Reynolds cuz I i hated the Green Lantern movie yeah like no he so did he obvious right it's very and so I'm like ah but everything I've seen I haven't seen it yet i'm dying to see it it looks good Deadpool has been one of like you know my favorite like like mutant characters going back to lie xfactor back in the old days you know her and so I think he's super interesting i think that the idea that even in the comic books that you know he would he's kind of aware definitely that he's like a comic book character and kind of is kind of cool and so I don't know you have you seen it I saw it so r us has seen it it's not last week actually mentioned another podcast last week but I couldn't talk about it because it under embargo until last weekend we can talk about it now spoiler free yeah I thought it was excellent I really you're gonna use the word excellent i ratted out i was trying to think of like a cod a superhero movie i liked more i think i had to go back to the Dark Knight wow that far that far we I like dark I more I'd like dark now all right but i would say since dark night I don't I like I liked it more than guardians of galaxies okay really I think see but that's okay I'm okay with that because guardians of the galaxy is it a superhero movie though yeah I think just like a space comedy it's a superior I mean that's like they have superpowers I understand but guardians of the galaxy was so busy was a comic book movie yeah that nobody knew any like I didn't know anyway yeah for that well i would say for Deadpool that's the case for a lot of people as well I knew the basic but I was not a hugely Deadpool's like a 30 year old but yet been around since I think it's been around maybe I'm 90 91 Deadpool like no Deadpool you know I know I know this because ninety ones when I graduate from college and that's when I started I mean I'm still a huge comic book fan but I I stopped collecting like monthly and we stopped like the actual collecting and it became more of like graphic novels and getting the things but Deadpool was like one of those last characters that was introduced and I remember going this is pretty cool yeah and the guy who was like the artists on it Liefeld i think is he went on to laugh like rob liefeld right he went out to do image comics and um he what's funny about like the character is it's something that um uh Alex Ross has not been happy with that he created key creates characters that have like all these weapons and all these kind of crazy things but I always thought that was awesome yeah yeah I thought that was like when you're a kid you're like what like if he could have more katanas right that's just an amazing it on bring it on you know so yeah I mean I thought the movie in general like is very true to the nature the character which is like a very silly very upbeat light character he breaks the fourth wall consistently throughout the movie that's like and I it feels very honest even from the opening credits which I won't won't ruin right but it they're fantastic the first 10 minutes the movie are like perfect you know there's some origin story stuff that I think it gets a little more serious and and is important from character building standpoint it's not as laugh-out-loud funny as you know the cord pool moments of which there are very manager is there any love story well so he his relationship with his girlfriend is sort of the cohesive source okay of the movie and again I don't know how that relates to the comics and his storyline in the comics um but she comes off as a very good companion to him which is to say like it's not like a typical like romance cheesy like I love her you know Mary Jane Piderman right way and that's kind of a turn me off about ant-man I know I'm late to the Orion were turned off by I don't think we talked about because I just saw it like two weeks yeah and I liked it but man I you know and my wife my wife is not a gigantic comic book she enjoys like the Batman self but she gets very turned off by the Hollywood lines and there's a lot of Hollywood lines yeah yeah where it's less like your it's like dude your daughter do your daughter is in there man and if you don't become an right coming in right now your daughter she's just gonna realize how much you believe you are you're never gonna freakin see her right right and I and it's like the cliché of like the hero's journey crazy and I think Deadpool leans into that and and mocks it murder great because they're looking rue I don't know I saw this in a review that they're somehow there's a reference to Green Lantern in it there will okay so I remember seeing that like last year oh really yeah there was maybe like a comic on track I that and I got upset because like man I loved to seen that organically but as a reference to Green Lantern there's a reference to the Wolverine Origins Deadpool oh really that's great but it's so clear like I mean how unhappy they were with Deadpool's original origin and it's clear how much Ryan Reynolds was involved like in making sure this happened like campaigning for it working for I mean it was I'm surprised he would want to do another like superhero movie like right like Christian Bale saying like I want to play you know well not quite because Christian Bale had a successful comic book movie where's rhinos had this awful Greenland rocking an awful Deadpool experience those like you had these but you could tell like he has a passion for the subject matter and some that might be just like career driven but also it just seems like he's into the character so right and and in the big questions I want to know is like okay when you were x-men origins Deadpool yeah how much of that Deadpool did you know right right so important and I'm in look I'm not you're an actor that's fine so like the fact that he it was able to embrace that yeah obviously this is all driven a lot to you have to consider the fact that there was this um it when that Deadpool test footage leaked down right which is what two years ago and the internet reaction to that which is essentially how and why this film got made in the first place yeah uh you know obviously if i'm wrong i'm like oh man you know right and i don't take anything away from him maybe he all along was like pioneer and screwed up all right make this right right you know i think it's amazing that you know this all sort of like came into place and and and that's what I'm mostly fascinated by I'm fascinated now about movies that get made that have no right getting me out playing in line with the regular studio behavior like a movie like mad Mac righteous like this amazing 200 million dollar movie that should never buy any standard sort of like operating procedure that Studios usually follow yeah what is that I was getting like a movie like pitch perfect yeah Boise okay sit like I do okay sure sure yes well I and I kind of agree with that but I wonder if there's a movement now in Hollywood to be and it becomes like a Hollywood thing in itself which is yeah we're getting traction now with these characters that nobody's ever heard of yeah and so there isn't that built in like um expectation because if you screw around with Batman or Superman yeah they were like there's this whole thing like with Ben Affleck playing playing Batman writer and like give the guy a chance he's a great actor I'm all I haven't had in the flick yet so I'm gonna say it'll be fine unless it totally sucks and then I'll say it's I think if it sucks at it he'll it'll have nothing to do with Ben Affleck exactly so I wonder now if it's like let's find these under the radar cat like dr. strange dude like even when I was in my height of like comic-book geekdom dr. strange was not very low in that way I was like what do you want to trade away you'd be like I'll give you like for dr. strange for like that one like bad hulk comic I know but iron man was that character to like four years he was big but like not mainstream bait he was a spider man it wasn't like but Robert Downey jr. also injected something into Tony Stark that I'm not sure Tony Stark oh you don't think he had that before no and I wasn't sure I was actually an Iron Man fan and I had like and remember that you guys are you close to my age but not there was when I was growing up in the early 70s it was actually these were comic or cartoons that were made in the 60s yeah were these like almost like stop-motion cartoons I'm Iron Man Thor all the heroes that are now like the Avengers yeah basically um and they said that it was like Tony Stark means the Iron Man and it was like this incredible like awesome cartoon and I became an Iron Man fan and does the Hulk was part of it and so I've always been an Iron Man fan Tony Stark was not Robert Downey okay at all he was like it was thinking about doesn't I could be wrong and if Stanley were here he'd be like you're totally lying but but I always thought that Tony Stark was like Marvel's attempt that like Bruce Wayne and like it's like whoa Batman like we just report his way yeah it's like you know it's like Batman is all about his gadgets in the in that version when Tony's when Iron Man came out in the 60s Batman was in it's campy favor and Batman had all these gadgets so they're just like well let's just take it to the next level and just make the whole suit like a gadget and then have him be a billionaire kind of a dude and I was always thought he was a poor man's ruse playing with a mustache yeah I mean that I mean it's definitely the Marvel equal of what DC was doing right with that sort of character so I but yeah I don't know it's it's tough it's but see you were you not liking ant-man it makes me wonder like is just like a man right I just was like okay because now it feels like they're gonna take these characters I don't even know if I mean I guess I'll go see a doctor strange movie but benedict cumberbatch come on I know I could be a lot of fun I think I think it's good that all these characters these smaller characters don't have as much baggage even though I think that will like nails it right I think it's good that there's more room for these actors to work I mean that is why iron man was such a huge thing was because of Robert Downey jr. making it his own image but that Hollywood line dude right bright but I think so but I ok so so there's a lot of that I think Robert Downey jr. is able to sort of sometimes transcend some of that yet his shtick yeah uh whereas like I don't think you can do that with Batman I don't think you got Superman so that's the big question is there's to have you guys seen that documentary it's call like the Death of Superman lives it's this like indeed on done by this dude who wants to wanted to know why the Kevin Smith first penned Raph of Superman lives as produced by john peters and with Nikolas K oh those who prefer Burton one the desert by the way go search youtube right now and look at cage in a Superman console right and they actually in the movie in the dock they have like the actual so you've seen the pictures but there's video yeah him in it with tim burton like in the room in the room yeah so what did you think I mean what like what he looked like like would you have bought it would you have been like yeah dude I timberview said this was like oh man I can't run with him it was after super Batman and Robin which was the Clooney one so I would have been like at 97 98 96 right lowers we gotta get back droppings I don't know man like it's just cage as Superman this is Russian sir to your point Rossi is it are there is there too much that are the fans so like attached to their characters that you can't see beyond a visionary director like Tim Burton who's always done you may not like all his movies but they're always like thought-provoking and interesting and their shot interestingly well and so or people just like dude it's got to be the curly q it's got it I don't think it's the fans as much as it adds it is on the studio side when you have such an if expensive property like a Superman like a Batman that exists and it has been in the public consciousness for a while now there are I think limits to the amount of risks they're willing to take have you heard the stories like Kevin Smith talks about when he goes and he pitches his to John Peters who produced the first Batman you heard some of those now so he goes so do your point he goes on so you guys I write the script and you know Kevin Spence much better like talker than i am but he you know he goes into john peters house and the first thing he says that peter says is dude your scripts cool one thing right Superman lose the cape yeah he's like what he goes yeah like he's like you know f that became is corny like who walks around the cave it's so stupid and then he's like all right I got one more note for you um he can't fly and so and so Kevin's like well like back that's a problem that makes some suit like it's all those things and then he was finally the fortress of solitude can Superman have like guards there and he like a know a kevin smith thousands i will but he's like Superman wisely car yeah you know the best and it's like so there you see like Hollywood gerrymandering with like a character but in a way you can almost see what Peter's was trying to do it's like hey let's let's take him out of the way people expect him to be and turn him into something that in Dark Knight and Batman was certainly that yeah I mean that yes why I have such an affinity for those film ready for the Schumacher won right no one had seen I think the tim burton moves are great they're still my very different really really over the they're different yeah i think for me than 89 Batman was the first exposure I had although even in and you're gonna laugh at this but this is my generation like that live action Ninja Turtles movie that that doctors one the dark one is basically like underground the right Rafael's like in a coma-like very real and in like surprising like for you know a seven-year-old to see like ninja turtles as live action yeah it was gay I was insane uh but for Batman uh it was it was the first sort of like this is real yeah yeah you know whereas other sort of superhero movies lose that I agree I agree I was like it was it it made you it made you you when i was a kid super the donner Superman commander man uh with Christopher Reeve yeah and I remember the tagline being it will make you believe a man can fly right right and I felt that certainly as a kid I was seven when that movie came up when Batman came out I actually thought like this dude is like lives in the neighborhood way like I could bump it right I did I hit me in the side yeah yeah and you know I still watch it every now and then and it's you know it's lower down yeah there's a lot of like micro modeling in that which I still love right but it's you know its aging a little bit I still think it holds it holds up yeah arm but there's something about that specific character and I think what we're discovering is that this phenomenon berries by character right where you you know Batman because Batman has no inherent superpowers besides like unlimited money right uh and super intelligence I guess you could sort of say and him being trained by fraudulent I you sort of have to just suspend your disbelief a lil bit and say hey okay he's still a person he still of this earth he can be killed ya up but did his struggles are real and I can relate with that because he doesn't have like special dear irony which is what which the appeal of Batman who's my favorite superhero character of all time has always been right which is that like it's just like his brain yeah he's got money but it's his brain his brawn and one of the things somewhere I read this but somebody said um never forget like he's like the world's greatest the tech detected as like the thing he's like a detective it's funny that's enforced in all the video games now yeah yeah like you have yeah like you're a detective you need to like scope out this see I understand Ra's al Ghul always called them a detective right detective detective yeah I think that's kind of interesting I I want you to one day go and show your kid that Ninja Turtles movie oh yeah because because I showed my nephew's like one day like Superman the donner superb amazon and my nephew's are they at the time they were like eight and five oh my god this is come on we gotta watch this and they're like Oh Superman that's kind of cool right and we're wondering and might the eight-year-old like this is so Jesus I got it and I'm like that it is alright and I actually I was watching it to my other the color chrome is wrong like it's like yeah like there was a point of no return in filmmaking I think we're like stuff just look weird you know but I'll take that one over uh the singer version yeah yeah yeah those are those are some good up me personally I don't like Superman at all like really you're one of those you justice lane awesome he's a usually plan what plan what he's not your you're right you're like Bruce Wayne you think that like I Marty right you think the Clark like you you want to be able to be like you know you know Clark your boy scout planning is not interesting it's like he needs to take a need to do but nobody wants emo Superman like though I do went away I want him to be kind of a dick right he's even using in sometimes in comic books he could be a dick sure and I kind of like wish that the band member Superman like played into that maybe they might after that movie but I you know I just think like if you just start with the surface oh okay he's a superhero what's his power every kid is every pound we can you fly yeah k he actually move at the speed of light yeah that's his soup oh cool yeah i memorize anything ever a problem and the problem is they've that's exactly it is they've never figured out a way to make at least in the movies i'm sure in the comics there's been really good ones i know a red Sun is yeah great spin us but in the movies they've never figured out a way to give him real conflict short of taking his power do I know and it's right at your me that's the best movies like and they would I think what DC's realized one is that um that makes for more interesting character and I can't be the reality is it's that it's to diminish his power but but interestingly enough if you / man is that when he was first created he couldn't fly the speed of sound he could only leap tall buildings and about or an eighth of a mile you know and um it was a struggle for him to like stop a train looks like take a breather right didn't oh my gah mean I was tough I need some Zen when it became that he could move a planet or and the only thing that DC has ever said is that oh boy he's fast but he's not as fast as the flash well I mean like come out of course there's limiting things with that I think going back to Deadpool I think it's amazing that this movie got made didn't make it for a lot no I I don't know if i get when you're 50 million HD which is relatively cheap they've got no actors like Ryan Reynolds is not asking for a lot of money I'm sure no and um they don't rely on a lot of CG there's like amazingly good action scenes you know what it felt like the action in particular felt like dread if either of you have seen dread the new one oh uh excellent it's on netflix highly recommended not the sly stallone one the one that came out a couple years that one is but like very one that one is for watch Knight Rider I am the law Deadpool just feel like the actions really good and it's been more impressive it's a funny comedy and those are two very difficult things to pull off yeah and it's a hard are like no question about it it's an R um so and it and it I just saw a line it made like a record amount of money on Thursday and it's probably gonna make over hundred million OC was coming is equal only happening so that's something to like work it so they're saying uh why would reporters saying that it potentially could make 90 million dollars yeah uh which is that's kind of amazing crazy this for this type of me and it has no competition like there's no anything and that's huge to coming out anywhere near it so what's its competition force awakens I'm in Zoolander which deep down I really want to say I want to see it too because we all have we all of us everybody and probably everybody listening has like a deep nostalgia for Derek and and Linus but I reviews and Hansel and Hispanics what I home Linus like a peanut thing but yeah the reviews are its anchorman over time out no film can ever be as bad as the sequel to anchor but that's essentially a command because even the trailers didn't make me laugh I'm laughing at some of the Zoolander stuff yeah yeah uh yeah I don't know oh yeah no no competition so it's team rules this weekend yeah I think it'll do really well and III think it's great which is reading is very well and the lesson we'll talk about it is a video game that I want to explain to you and sort of get your take on but like to me what the same thing that like indie like popular indie games what that does for the video game industry even though Deadpool is not an indie film by any stretch right it is still a risk yeah and it is still this sort of encouraging thing to Studios say hey we can make our rated dark yes comedy action superhero movies right like we can do that we can give people who normally wouldn't have the opportunity to direct and write stuff like this we can maybe spend some money and take a few more chances because we have a hit on our hands with this Deadpool guy that we all just learned about six months you know so I wrote this can happen now I'm excited I'm excited and I think if they're not uh if they do sequels and they're not a burden by having to do an origin story I think it's can only get better as it gets more and more outlandish with this character like the character so much fun that you could have them do crazy it's pretty fantastic yeah ok I want to finish off with with one thing are you you play a lot of games I do yeah yeah so I be heard of the game fire why I'm not so let me lay this on you because this is a game unlike anything I've ever played it's available right now for playstation 4 and pc it is made by us a small studio based in San Francisco called Campo Santo and its members of telltale games who make the walking dead video games and some other guys from other studios so this is a game that is incredibly narrative narrative lead rivet yeah you are basically this guy who takes residents in a fire Watchtower in yosemite national park in 1989 yeah which is right around uh those like there was like big fires in in in that Park writing this time in American history and you are alone in this tower and you're only sort of contact with the outside world is someone else on the other end of this walkie-talkie and it's your boss a woman named Delilah and you have this interaction with her and the story that this game tells just proceeds to happen to you as you're playing and it is intense there's a little bit of acid so this small indie developer called Campo Santo and uh yeah and I I just want to bring it up because it is such a powerful game is it a pc game if i don't i sees and playstation okay see I don't have you know I told you I don't have a playstation 4 I know people are gonna be like well how can he be I am still on the Xbox one the xbox 360 and playstation 3 so I why huge catalog do you have soap but you have like a powerful somewhat powerful Mac yeah I can play that on you this game animators I believe it is our or if it's not it's coming very soon yeah um it's not a difficult game and is not a game it's not real okay I never want to say that it's not a game it is certainly an interactive storytelling experience but this story that this game tells to me is on par with some super high-end stuff that I've seen on like FX yeah where it's just like the UH who's the the actor that pie which rich sommer is the actor at the lead guy he was a character on Mad Men if you watch Mad Men yeah oh uh yeah played uh does he Harry Harry Harry there is dialogue in this game that feels so organic and so natural uh that it just it just kind of blew me away Stacy watched every last minute of this game right next to me was like oh we're gonna play fire watch tonight right like it's a five-hour game maybe at melia got through it in about three sittings and you you know there's so many times where you just like look at each other you're like oh man you plans with your wife she was just watching watch me play it's fascinating it's fascinating and beautiful like it's set in this open-world in I don't think it's is it you said I disseminate no really okay so it's set in this open world and just gorgeous vistas and so you'll just get a radio message saying hey there's some kids down by the lake you got to check it out and you like go walk there and you're just seeing like beautiful stuff and at one point you find a camera just like junk disposable camera and you can take photos and apparently i found this out the other day you can actually order the photos that you take in the game and they'll mail them to your house so it's so good like a period authentic mailer so with only cool is when they sent out the review coats for the game they're like hey you know we want you to experience we're gonna send it down every every editors everyone that reviews the game we're gonna send it the photos too and it's just like man that is such a I've never heard I've never seen that right it is to me regardless of like the which you think about games like this is and I don't want to like trivialize it and water it down to the part of like oh you're buying the photo from the ruling no no but yeah but it's like these are the photos you took in the game with the camera in the game and you get them in this like really cool sort of booklet when it comes in the mail and anybody who plays the game on PC or I believe Mac can buy them can buy your own photo and your and your brain goes to this weird thing while you're playing the game when like the same thing that happens when you're on a hike and you're like well that's a beautiful shot I want to take a photo then yeah and you like you take actively take it it's just this weird confluence it feels very like you're there it feels very try what they did it's and this game the stories that Mac yeah and the in the story this game tells keeps you guessing yeah and you're just like what is happening there's like a lost style mystery to it you know there's always going on there's these like variables and these things that you're constantly considering that happened to your character uh like an hour ago uh you know and a lot of time passes and I love how the game just sort us is like nope you fest for like BAM three weeks have gone by yeah Dave 50 now yes i love the transition the way they sort of just handled the the narrative sort of like exposition they just they just take you along for this ride and you know there's a payoff at the end and and you sort of have to like be a piece with what happened it's just it's just great really i just i have nothing but amazing stuff to say about it there's a few things that are sort of left lingering we're like well wait a second some stuff happened yet you know in the beginning I want to know more about that I want to find out what happened but uh yeah fireworks just did it for me and I haven't felt this way and like you you we talk about every game we play yes one just did it for a really yeah I thought it was excellent definitely worth well I need to assess the one subject I in this podcast that I don't because I've never played it but now I'm but that's all so that was like my pitch to you yeah completely now actually want to play three hours and I think that's a huge benefit people always used to make a big deal how this 40 50 60 our game yeah I don't have time to know I know and it's and it sucks because that's like I for whatever reason I decided to go like after Arkham origins came out like two years ago I decided to bike by died already played like the first couple and I was like you know what let me just go play this one yeah you know you just don't have enough time to go do everything and like you're just like I'm on ya every time you login it's like only twenty-five percent done more and more these indie games are coming out and they're sure experiences but a memorable and you get a coda and it's like a real like impact after just a few hours it is and you know we talked about this area and the Beast cast and it's so like this this has been happening for a decade already independent games are just like slowly but surely turning everybody's head and say yeah oh man this there's there are so many stories to tell so many different gameplay opportunities that no one ever thought of or no huge studio would ever write even investigator or take the risk of making and it really does parallel the film industry a lot in a lot of ways it's just awesome awesome stuff all right that's time for that so let this is this been fantastic man I have had so much fun I we probably went way over yeah but that's fine blabbermouth you know it just why I seen it there's no rules man that's right no rules in podcast no rules just right haha what do you got going on now so you know we've got tomorrow CBS is hosting the Republican debate yes so that's a big big deal for us and we're actually going to be live you know we with this is growing CBS n is growing so fast that um it was there was a point in time when we were alive just money to friday then we added to sunday now especially now in this political season we've added saturday so in keyano is anchoring 127 p.m. tomorrow in anticipation of the GOP debate and then from 7pm Nancy Cordes who's our congressional correspondent is going to anchor from the debate and I'm gonna be there on set in case of shot goes down which is kind of like if you got to come in I just be there like if something happened yeah you could cut to you you like yeah let's take a commercial like so which is going to be incredible and then yeah so there's a lot going on and I'm working on a couple of pieces for CBS this morning which one on a guitar luthier you know which is kind of my Alex I played I was going to say we totally overlooked your singer-songwriter guitar I would not songwriter but definitely you singer guitar player player yet playing is that we called impaired you know and so yes it's cool so there's a lot going on but yeah it's um it's been great and thank you guys so much for having me of course it's a it's a pleasure and I know what you do isn't easy and it's a lot of fun watching you do what you do and and thanks for having me on as much as yeah we need to back now like for surely that I'm doing the mornings again yet definitely thank you for telling us your story hope it wasn't born no man I really interesting I I mean it went by quick so I know that have you know that's become a thing now where it's like a stick with because people are always interested in like how did you get here and you know and I've got to figure out a way to like make it like shorter so that people are just not like okay I get it I get it but I I think at the end of the day the one thing I always say to people is that um there really is sort of a like a Zen aspect to it which is that like I I sort of had this mindset that anything is possible like if you just really not if you want it badly enough because that's not the right thing to say it's just that if you put in your mind that that you're willing to take a couple of knocks hmm you're willing to if you want to consider this way like like lower yourself and like put yourself in a position that you haven't been in before or that might be uncomfortable sure yeah and no one's successful in the world had a straight path yeah to that yeah you know it's it's it's there's a shattered past that follows ever now Trump's Trump has no shadow that was the one thing I wanted to correct you when you said anything is possible yes I no no there's one thing that can't be pop okay let's just make sure that's not possible anyway uh what's so when you choked so the URL for CBS nitw cbsnews.com / lie okay good cuz that's where I tell people to go it was different for a while but now that's the best one yeah now you know we was at CBS n live on Twitter my first and Vlad due to CBS is my twitter handle and all the correspondents are on Twitter all right make sure you follow a flat check them out on CBS n and obviously the 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