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Wednesday March 14th for all you Hoover geeks out there that's pi day yeah 2012 it's the 404 show on Sina TV I'm Jeff Bakalar and I'm Justin you this is the show where got some pie in RI little bit just a little bit towards the outside their type that out it's rhubarb I love rhubarb pie the best we got a great show today just we went really late yeah yearning the show because we got distracted by the walking dead we did and that's like one show that Jeff and I watch pretty much every week yeah we watch that you know it's it's okay um if you ever want to get into a conversation like that make sure you join our live chat room that's every day Monday through Friday roughly 12 noon eastern time area that's at cnet accomplished live I just like the idea of speculating about what would happen to me and you know like what friends I would choose to walk around with if there was a zombie invasion you ever think about that like oh if I could choose like maybe 10 friends to be in my camp like The Walking Dead yeah who would you choose and what skills would you base that off of you know I mean like I would choose you because to think like that what because I still as realistic as The Walking Dead sort of appears yeah it's still not like I just don't you can never know what the world would be like and what I mean you could speculate on what you would pick up to put in your duffel bag if you happen to be like in a home depot right when the zombie invasion happen if you mean like what would you fill your bag with like food would you get a crossbow or me just gotta get weapons I just gotta get like what guns like freaking brought you the wrong answer J but that's stupid because you don't know what kind of zombie world you're entering well it was there a body shot to the head evil would have all these zombies are deaf and you can shoot as much as you want right and you got it you got to think about like whether the zombies are fast or slow it's a lot it's a lot to digest I like a fan zombie I'll tell you that I like 28 days later zombie oh where would you go we've talked about this on show before like what would be a good zombie uh fortress freaking oil drilling uh but island in the middle of the ocean yeah where there are no supply about two miles around you have a cruise ship you know Bruce a cruise ship in the middle of the Atlantic we're not no zombies and you're fine no see I would choose a schooner like what would you schooner who drive this Krishna captain the zombie kept the zombie captain you know what wise that's a job far-fetched concept and how could the zombies in these TV shows like The Walking Dead never pick up guns they always rely on their bites but how come there's no smart zombie someone should make a TV show well highly developed intellectuals on both offense I think walk up 28 days later zombies did a good job at sort of feeling out the world and sort of you know I don't know The Walking Dead zombies have intelligence they are intelligent enough to sort of rip through caught like your enemy right it was like intelligence in its most basic elementary form right is like left right left foot right foot right yeah then they realize okay you're in that broom I'm gonna try and you know scratch away you would imagine how many more steps of intelligence does it take for zombie to be like pick up his gun now yeah exactly more something even as uh even as small as like you know holding his hands out to allow another zombie to step on it to get over a gate you know like that would be terrifying one zombie start giving each other a boost yeah that's when you're in trouble the apocalypse is coming that's when you know it's all over I'm serious you're when they start talking I'd be terrified now all of a sudden urges they just don't talk intelligence is scary like hey Bill yeah I know your jaws you get that guy I'm gonna get this one over here yeah and his color come back together case closed right you're right it's time for a smarter zombie movie I want a zombie to turn to another zone and be like dude I'm so hungry right now where's the new pin I'll be honest gerald hi I'm park right now you saw me to zombie need human meat is there a Burger King close by yeah I will settle for white castle right that's how freaking hungry haha man I could go for a big gulp yeah you're right we're right dude yeah just you and me baby I would choose you to be in my zombie camp ok let's talk to the cop I would fashion a hockey stick with some sort of blade right and it would just be game over yeah that's that's the zombie movie maybe we're heading towards an ice age zombie movie where it's like a hundred years in the future right a climate change has resulted in a new ice age and it's only the ice skating hockey players that are able to survive get Kevin Smith's direct that me he would be all over that would he not be yeah let's change gears for a second man we could go on about zombies all freaking day I just want to kill one with you just want to have that ability I feel like the best zombie weapon would be a solar powered chainsaw right someone needs to invent that that the author be singers with guns bullets run out right with uh you need power to run a regular chain saw but a solar powered chainsaw you a wrong brother you ain't wrong perfect weapon uh let's get do a few of the stories that we've carved out today not a lot going on the world attack really know is there I mean let's be honest there's some stuff I mean this is kind of a depressing day for tech because we got a few stories here about companies shutting down so we talked about this a couple weeks ago we've been noticing a drop off in a IM support right like you were you were saying that for some reason you just couldn't log on to your aim account anymore on meebo there was one day my my handle that I've been using for literally 15 years yeah stopped working it did get it did come back though okay I haven't updated yeah i sent you i am with it oh that's right that's all right i have several of your counsel sherry bow sure but regardless i think the reason for that drop-off might have been because AOL is slashing support on aim officially now and this happened last friday so AOL has been laying off a lot of people 40 employees from its West Coast office and the majority of those cuts were in the aim division press release titled you're on your own yeah done that's it the end of aim support as we know it yeah I mean this isn't very shocking yeah to have that many people devoted to a to a year old instant messaging platform yeah I'm not saying it's not worth it I guarantee you there are people in the millions that still use it right right well I think a lot of those people are the older generations like us then used an AOL account then transition to a man just haven't gone off this year think young people now are using facebook chat King I'm gonna sound there's no reason to have two websites open at the same time I agree I agree can you does meebo allow you to use facebook chat yes it does it does yeah there's a facebook login there's an a la terre really yeah man I'm an old piece of crap you know why too and I think this is a huge reason that people use facebook jazz because it logs every conversation you have which is important when you're trying to figure out you know this link someone sent me two months ensure you meebo does that as well you have logs right regardless of the platform you're using right right but I mean I think people would prefer to just use facebook cuz they already have it open right and why not all your friends are already on facebook you don't have to sign up for a separate account for sure and it's an end of an era it is an end of an era sort of depressing but uh I mean it's as long as it's still gonna work well I mean yeah so then they cut a lot of the employees that work at AOL and uh in the aim team I guess they're only keeping the support staff okay so hopefully you know if something goes wrong with your account maybe you can still talk to somebody about troubles right and you can still create a McCown stew to lurk on your friend you can i have about let me let me just flip a 75-70 activated they're all kidding aside there was a there was a brief period of maybe two to three months where I just read nuts yeah sometimes you'll come up with a good idea for a handle immediately register it on aim for sure it was just it was like it was free for all yeah it was like the early days of Napster what would you do with those are countless I've learned there were people totally worthless I want to talk about this we've been giving Apple a lot of attention while it might not be positive attention we've been giving Apple a lot of attention lately I just wanted a real quick go over a few things that HTC has just come out and said they've confirmed a bunch of phones that will be getting ice cream sandwich okay so I just want to run through this list real quick it's uh it's kind of cool that they are still supporting all of these phones my old evo 4g would not be included in this list of phones unfortunately but check it out 16 devices called out by HTC ice cream sandwich is in the works for the droid incredible to amaze 4g EVO 3d so i got jacked on the old the old vivo the old evo ah let's see we got that up there the evo design 4g sensation 4g the resound will also get one as well as the rhyme hmm um let's see and the Thunderbolt it sounds like we'll be getting it as well along with the HTC Vivid right so there you go we talked a lot about iOS ice cream sandwich I am a big fan of I use it I love it I encouraged to hack your device if you could somehow support Ice Cream Sandwich run it in my opinion is the best thing android has done yeah so it's pretty cool you know I haven't really updated myself on the ice cream sandwich uh upgrades either one killer app that's going to come that everyone's really looking forward to on ice cream Sam I think that it is gonna be crazy sure I think the big thing about ice cream sandwich is the fact that you can oh it just basically read you know redesigns the entire interface okay so any i think it's a it's a total you i think you they don't even look anything alike you go to gingerbread 2 to Ice Cream Sandwich and it's just a complete and total design change even logically to there's just a it's just different it's like going from you know night totally different uh so yeah that there's not really killer app they you know everything just natively works better it's quicker right up so yeah I'm loving it I'm reading some features here that have come in Ice Cream Sandwich panoramic camera support built right into the camera app i think is really cool i've been using a photo stitch for iphone and was sure i came natively yeah Android Beam that's kind of crazy so near field communication for things like bump or whatever if you want to its cool contact information I have yet to use the NFC chip in my phone yes in the battery of my phone yeah it's weird that's something you never think about being embedded does the iphone have that natively builtin I don't I do not believe so yeah no Andrew face unlock to I forgot about that yeah but that's I mean come on is it is like look are we clamoring to be like hey yeah I'm not like it is that you know me is it faster than a finger swipe I guess exactly exactly it's it's the great debate so there's little news about ice cream sandwich uh what else we got going on today this is on speaking of end of an era yeah the Encyclopedia Britannica going on the line there stop there going to stop printing books I think the bigger story is that they were wise renew books yeah yeah for sure it's amazing i if you asked me like oh when was the last prett anacapri i would have been like 98 yeah but no they've actually continued to print books right up until now it's active feel like instead of actually printing the books which they've done for I guess the last two hundred and forty-four years they come out to new versions every two years 240 for years even instead of doing the like printing the real books with pages inside they should probably just come out with a set that looks like a set of encyclopedia tanika's like made out of cards or something sure no one ever actually use these books they just put them on their shelf to look smart this you know what the thing is in like or hide a gun in right like a whole line of like secret you know hiding place exactly now just stop me from wrong I I'm gonna like you know philosophy you know fosters a little bit here why didn't protonic ax sort of see them I mean they've been in business they claimed two hundred and forty-four years right at one point they had to have seen the writing on the wall even when something like in carta came out why does didn't Britannica be like okay let's get a jump on on what's happening right why don't we maybe digitize our entire encyclopedia collection keep it dynamic where it can be updated yeah and then license it out to like schools around the world well they do that yeah but but do they do that yeah yeah they do that so it turns out that i did a little research on this the freezing what using wikipedia uh turns out that the printed version of the books only account for about one percent of which makes surely revenue sure right because no one's freaking buying these leather bound books right anymore 400 pounds of books yeah as attractive it used to be exactly and have other things that hold up the weak spots on my desk exactly to do that anymore and uh so yeah so fifteen percent of the the revenue comes from our online sales okay I have a subscription service and that's used for you know their online encyclopedia which they've been publishing since 1984 so they did for see the popular all right the almost 20 years right right although it's a global cyclopedia britannica website nothing good looks like it was updated once in 1980 that's awful and then the other eighty-four percent on sir the other eighty-five percent is sales from like uh education purposes so but did you like or out to curriculum so they do yeah what are they licensing out well I think their licensing out their books your software or the book both to be used in the actual school because perfect scenario sort of situation i see is 0 is a is it experience where it's like you know people I feel like teachers if you do like a bibliography and you cite Wikipedia yeah it's still like a no-no right yeah no that's still not okay britannica they've got that sort of brand you know sort of integrity legitimacy going right you know make it so that their people are using your you know brand and not the books you know make this whole software sort of experience package that you sell to a school right forces the kids to do the research and modernizes it all the same time there should be a really easy hyperlinking button to the Encyclopedia Britannica so that when you're writing articles online yeah you know or when you're writing papers for school you can immediately site it and put a link right to the article it's crazy be easy it would pay we're just way ahead of the way ahead of it you know yeah um all right you want to take a break it would break I got a funny video okay that's similar yeah we'll take a break when we come back videos voicemails and a lot more fun on the 404 stick around because the fun will keep on going we promise you that stay tuned this is the 404 emmer effer 'he's the show where we all sing songs you welcome back to the 404 yeah yeah a lot of fun to be had today yeah when it's just you and me what's that what's that will smith song we should have played yeah we're doing me I think you owe is that it except that's about will smith and his son so in this case who is the dad and who is the son i guess i'm the dead you're not the dad dare you that's fair try to send me i will son the creditor you need to know that little boy could talk about this story really quick i mean we only had three in the rundown yeah let's hear it really have one more left I think it's really funny sure so we've talked about methods that the UK has tried to use to deter youth from loading or loitering around public areas yeah they have a really problem with that apparently yeah they hate kids just hanging around yeah they don't they don't like kids having fun yeah um so we've talked about this in the past uh there's been like different types of things used like I think they was tryin to blast Mozart uh we talk we have we talked about that like there's much i owe you lots yeah because apparently hanging out in places where they play Mozart is really uncool it reminds me that episode where cartman just blasting metallica hippies yeah stuff like that apparently is really easy but uh the recent plan and just placed on cotton cardiff street that's in a london's fair fair water district they've been using pink street lights to deter youths from loitering because apparently bright pink luminescent lights really make acne show up more prominently than regular luh ya then regular dude that's that's maniacal i don't i mean like that's really really cool is it's like man what what's the word how do you describe how cool and mean and terrible that it's humiliating yeah but at the same time it's freakin clever he's really clever originally shaming these poor yakhni reading kids how you gonna hang out when you have to look at each other like this you know it is i think this is one step short of just getting a bullhorn and just being like hey kid without ya hey reads of is that your pants yeah like that for sure I like one step short of just hiring Louis CK to go very it's super passive-aggressive way yeah this is mess you know I mean yeah like they really are taken a very creative and aggressive step just all while remaining sort of you know right uh on you know civilizing sort of a violent rioting I guess so but then you're also i don't know you're also pushing away adults with acne too and that yeah that's a bad thing oh it affects everybody it's not just kids that's funny man I'm loving that super messed up that is super mr. God all kids have acne to you know some canal clear skin so because you'd be like oh cool my sure it's pink now what of it or what if some kids like hey check out this mask that I can wear its don't hang out yeah don't they have a buttload of those v for vendetta mask okay like this car which is wearing those around yeah that's it I used to do this though I used to hang out like in 7-eleven parking lots and you know like yeah lot to do where you grew up oh yeah yeah like dead suburbia is just like clerks was it really no not really no not at all it's better than that honey what beach is not clerks I was just gonna say there had to be a few things to do yeah I mean but you know kids are all about just hanging out like fast food parking lot it's just wanted I just want to dick around yeah what was it about being a kid and just being like what do you do tonight sitting on the hood of a car yeah i'm just gonna actually drive around the same sort of three mile track that I've worked out in my head and you know sort of see what's going on that's all you know just gonna increase the chances of me getting pulled over yes please I'm trying to do a drive fast I couldn't drive it I'm gonna really floor it when this light turns green yeah I can't wait well kids I guess kids would always hang out in front of God we're just dating ourselves today no we're not come on I think kids do that because they're always looking for people to like buy cigarettes for them that's why they hang out in front of 7-11 sore like get older kids to buy drinks yeah not what happens is anyone ever asked you to do that yeah yeah did you ever do it yeah you did no I don't do that but not you can be honest no one's coming to arrest well I wouldn't do it not for profit but yeah of course you gotta give him that tact right exacting and handling right there's a tax that you gotta its total get to you gotta try yeah it's like it it's a toll it's an unwritten law that it's a toll come on we should be honest here I don't actually do that I don't know it's not anymore at Lisa proof of kidding kidding if you do that no no no I mean now man calls from the public time ladies and gentlemen I'm to show the love a jig 6404 cnet getting a bird's-eye view of our studio here is our lovely empty studio yeah we've is it I like this though just a lot of direct eye contact with each other I mean I've never really gotten to have a chance to just peer into your ocular cavity what do you see just a lot of hurt I see a lot of pain and I see I feel like I see clogged arteries yeah fantasize now I'm missing her calls from the public we got a guy who is trying to correct me on something I said yesterday in regard to some Batman lore hey guys you're in for cam patient I wanted to correct Jeff is a delicious mistaken on yesterday's episode in regards to talk 19 or bad meal in school Joker I don't think your ties the producer is caught by some kind of grant waning broke yeah he's right okay so let me preface this we were talking yesterday about how Batman doesn't kill people right I said yeah he does he dropped the Joker off the oh and the move right first move I was talking about the Bert the Burton the first 10 you taught my Heath Ledger no no no he clearly Heath Ledger clearly does not right let me take that back the joker does not die in that in the dark knight yeah Joker clearly does not die he's just upside down for that last scene right but but in the first batman film with Jack deficit and uh and and Michael Keaton right no question no question about it he falls from the top of a church tower yeah and all the way down and it goes boom but not hard enough to break that chattering teeth thing right whatever that it keeps going like it all time pretty creepy that's what I was talking about and they before he lets go of the Joker they lock eyes yeah hi guys and you could tell that Bruce is like sorry brother it was one of those like gloved hand whole games right and then he was just like yeah yes gloves got slippery yeah bye jack someone should make a make a compendium of all the scenes in movies where the people intentionally has hands on the good son yeah that's our oil that for anyone who hasn't seen it sure Macaulay Culkin dies by glove drop that's that's like on his death certificate yeah died via club yeah we have a call from Clarissa she explains it all hey guys Florence is from Houston and I know y'all were wanting feedback on your guest totes and what shows people of joy room in 2012 and I didn't leave anything out because I didn't need a game code but I did want let you know that I really enjoy when tideline yesterday's show is really good and it seems like you guys would tie and like a dill and even like Bridget to you guys seem very comfortable and it seems like everybody you know I appreciate you together pretty well and it's noticeable like the way that everybody meshes together and so those earrings are in my opinion the best so keep it up and on the show I well thanks for the call Clarissa I appreciate that feedback because it's helping and it's true ty is a really good guest outsize awesome we actually tried to pull a Hail Mary today but he was busy and we walked into this a meeting that was very fun um yeah so thanks for the feedback we definitely take that with you know in very high regard right so you know the you know we're sort of curious i think we're at the point in the show where you know we've been lining up some some some people that we sort of want to talk to you right arm but if you guys really have suggestions inside or outside you know we're taking everything into consideration yeah for sure but ty will be on again yeah in the meantime the thing is is like you know to be totally honest with people you know p who work here they can't just all of a sudden be like oh I'm on the four Vorta it's a big investment is a big commitment it's right in the middle of the day yeah it's unfair to almost go to you know one of these people who already working on and establish up and be like hey we're just going to remove half your day yeah and you're just going to come and work with us work work work whatever you know coats in the air whatever you want to do next call in regards to the whole 4s 4g debacle hey guys thank you whoops I played the wrong one um there we go hey 44 I just wanted to comment about the 4s having the 4g logo on the new update i think that this has more to do with AT&T than Apple due to the fact that 18d has been advertising their hspa+ network as a 4G network outside of the whole LTE thing and of course they always say that they have the largest 4g network which includes probably LTE and the rest of their hspa+ network all right so beso so at the end of the day this makes a lot more sense we were sort of jumping to conclusions being like it's Apple taking advantage of a standard well it's not just Apple right you know aight you got imagine that top bar all that informations dictated by the carrier right right and once the collar makes a really good point saying that you know in all of 18 tease marketing they mentioned that they have the largest 4g network but that includes both LTE and HSPA+ correct you are sir so that's I mean that seems a little dubious yeah to be saying that I agree let's get to some emails before we gotta get out of here today okay this is from our buddy in Newark there's a link in here i want you to click on uh he says hello 40 for being born and raised in newark new jersey just wanna let you know that there is already a batman cop who works for the Newark Police Department really he works for the Newark Police Department he started in the early 90s as a truancy officer riding around in just a black iroc-z with a batman logo attached to the side wow these days the forces give him giving him a lot more money and he has a fully decked out Batmobile and wears a serious batman costume oh my god alright so he says in this wha jersey city from irving check it out legal and he's no joke look at this guy in his like Chevy what is that I don't know what but it's a legit Batman consciously on gold wings the with the doors that pop up outside is that coming out but it's costume to his little beefcake pretty badass yeah his little beef gay like college costume gets updated for the movies too it looks like the current Christian Bale Christopher Nolan car yeah he's you know it makes sense he's not uh he's not about to stay stuck in like nineteen ninety-six Batman do you think he talks in the Batman voice too because that's not something you can just hold her off yeah something like that or do I don't know maybe he's just like hey it's me Gennaro Ortiz which is apparently what his name is but think about it if you ok let's say you're you know you're on the street or whatever and Batman shows up ok I'm sorry some guy dressed up as Batman yeah shows that like are you intimidated I would first ask to see a badge because I'm looking at this picture right now there's no badge yeah he is badgeless I probably be like get away from me Batman yeah I give you my licen how about you get a real job yeah you know and then when he goes on to tell me that he's actually a real police officer I mean where along the line do you buy that story and I'm really hoping is not pulling people over just for speeding tickets do you know I did Batman's reserved for more serious I would hope Batman is not assigned to traffic duty yeah right and Batman should always be seen beating somebody up yeah you know I mean like you can't just see Batman eating lunch at a rallies or something you're right you're totally right break down that fourth wall next email Dwayne from Barbados says in writing a writing in about the story regarding the next Xbox not having a disk drive I want to stress that even though this is a rumor I don't think it's true he says I think we're missing something the new story speaks to the next Xbox not having a disk drive nothing about abandoning physical media okay so no optical drive but that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to get rid of physical media as ty was speaking and passing about the Vita what if Microsoft went back to using cartridges could you imagine could you imagine the xbox 720 just has like a little flash thing you pop into your Xbox when I don't know with technology so advanced and sizes and cost of these flash mediums getting cheaper and harder to hack what if Microsoft stopped using DVDs and blu-rays and went for an all cart based system it helps fight piracy I'm not sure about that if its proprietary and we know it will be well i don't i don't know if that's the case yeah because if you look at the nintendo DS those are four cartridges you could buy from china and you pop in they were the same form factor they just invent you know so i don't i'm not a I'm not totally sold on the fact that proprietary cartridges combat piracy but they are more durable than your standard optical disc though right they can survive a lot more but a blu-ray did have you about you guys are pretty in Israel you could you could do and you could basically do anything to a blu-ray yes okay you can weaponize you could you drag a brazier all over that thing and it's it's like really that's the best you're gonna do i'm batman it does that's how he protects all of his media uh so that's your two cents all right Dwayne it's uh you know take your suggestion hard for sure that talk about my visit to the museum of moving image a weekend no so if you ever visit that museum it's an astoria up uptown okay and they have a whole separate section just for video games okay and alongside like Ataris and old like whatever consoles sure they also have a super nintendo set up along with the sega genesis with the first game which was like apparently Sonic the Hedgehog right it's so that made me feel really really old I think that's yeah first ones those items find their way into a museum yeah and have you ever seen a placard that exists in a museum that just has 1994 too sure well I shouldn't be like this feels weak its way to read that wasn't that long ago do that messed up she's very young kids like maybe like six or seven year olds now that we're sitting down in front of the Super Nintendo and it said press start to engage the game that's Karina press Start Oh read the start button on the controller and so they were struggling to figure out how to even begin the game there's you're making a sound like we're freakin cave it was wish I could show you this picture it's on my phone maybe I'll bring it up right there but uh it was an SNES console yeah but encased in a plat make like you don't mean like whatever like a sell a box case yeah oh that's cruel terrible that's going to do it for us sorry if you've made you feel old today but guess what times they are a-changin a 6644 cnet's a number to call or you can email us the 404 at cnet com check out the blog the 44 dot cnet com friday show Ella Morton's going to join us in the studio we're gonna have a lot of fun with her and we'll be back tomorrow with a brand new show so make sure you tune in live or on-demand we're here twenty-four-seven for your visual and audio entertainment look at this here's another shot of Batman by the way Newark's Batman it looks pretty intense good dude yeah I'm scared scared of him until the cell phone goes off yeah that mean for us we'll see you tomorrow I'm Jeff aguillard I'm Justin you it's the 404 high-tech lowbrow have a great wednesday we'll be back tomorrow so yeah you