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it's Friday March 23rd 2012 tune in to the 404 show on Sina TV I'm Jeff Bakalar and I'm Justin you and this is the show where jeff has 30 problems that's right that's it there's nothing that comes after that 30 problems but one of them is certainly not our good buddy Russ rushed on the program he's never a problem he's always up guys thanks for being here dude my pleasure it's been a while cuz you're like a big Vox guy now you have like all these responsibilities and what true the world is on my shoulders forget about the little people I do the once you go over to the Big Mac you're Jerry Wilson well it's very good i think uh since you've been a guest on our show you've gone through what this is my job yeah it's awesome like how weird it crazy seeing your traditional be honest are we directly responsible for your bra's and fame in the in the video game of I mean just having yeah you the experience of being on camera and talking I mean come on are we on camera right now yes yeah you are I yes I think both of you are response to rectly respond you all right on responsible yes but you are welcome I'd be no I'd be on a on a street somewhere you be then someone would notice I'm like the homeless guy with the golden voice yeah they'd give me a job you'd be reviewing iphone and food yeah so tell us what you're doing now so I'm at Fox games yes this is a company uh which is a company uh you know from the makers of the verge Oh box game in you are oh we are which one are you out of that picture I think I'm probably I think you're good man I think your Flash man I don't think would man's yeah I'll go with flash man okay all right nothing like a good megaman villain illusion yeah but no weird you know making a video game site yeah so that's pretty cool I've read a lot of your guys's stuff you it's sort of like a different i guess a different approach may be a little different we're trying to give people more than just the straight like this is what happens in the game that's right you shoot this guy we're trying to get a little personal speak the developers directly about like what kind of people they are which is a little weird but i think i got it tries to give a little more color into like the games that people will make sense you get in the minds of the developer then maybe the games that they make make a little more sense but we're also doing the other stuff too we're right you know we're trying to hit it from all angles for sure are you guys doing your own gaming podcast as well we as we do have a podcast it's not the only podcast we're gonna do what we do have a first one sure it's called the besties yes I actually listened to it and enjoyed it thank you and that's real talk there yeah that's hard for Jeff to say I can tell it's great it is not serious not hard for me to say you say it's goofy it's goofy it's not a serious podcast well that's not cuz you're on it I add to the goof youth you think you bring the goof can level yes setting so well when you guys that Philly Phanatic when you guys air the show then if you want to check we air every Friday okay so there will be a new one thing so you record today now we recorded yesterday and when we just have to extrapolate yeah oh yeah dynamite it's dynamite guys go long too huh uh we do about 30 or 40 minutes oh so just like us okay so you really are a competition now yeah directors it's just all right I'm here to cry guys yes please leave and the way that is gonna fill out all the wire don't remove any of the bugs that are hiding in this room now fair enough and you want us a cupcake they know I know other than for us you guys brought it in tonight brought it for the birthday boy and that is where the show title is coming right after 30 years old tomorrow no dude what is it where were you in general it was shot what the hell okay what did you say just just asked me where was I would JFK was like in the 30s well that's the thing it's so we're saying it's my 30th birthday no I am I come on I know we're saying that here's their second theory no dude this is uh it's my real 30th threat that was born in nineteen eighty-two right that memorized disgusting I'm in Aries yeah no but seriously yeah this means a lot thank you so much i think because not everyone does stuff like pedrad I really appreciate cookie in there hell yeah there is I got a nice little weekend plan to think yeah I don't know where you listen to this yeah stacey has something planned oh and I don't know what Ringo's devils game I'm going tonight to those okay how do you know about that I told you yesterday yeah people be like and people are being weird to me like I don't know who knows what wait what does that mean people are being weird like you I'm they're like oh what are you doing for your birthday week I'm like I have no idea they're like really you usually need to be in control of stuff like that I'm like I know it's killing me so she told you that there was gonna be a society not 10 not that surprised don't say the word surprised she said she's like don't worry we have plans but I'm like really what the f does that mean and that's funny because we all know how much do you despise surprises I told her I said of fun I said you ever see horrible bosses that Kevin Spacey reactor that's right i will emulate that it is from gabi like mother Africa you know just say it right we making horrible bosses references and everyone got it from me oh god yeah I don't think that movies good i'm just saying there's that one scene that I really rise that people actually saw that but I me to me so I watch it on a plane um alright let's jump into some of the things for the day thank you very much for this ignore my ye jeet it in 30 seconds oh no that seems like the size of an apple it is among the larger cup cakes I've Center my wishes cupcakes you know this is what I'm gonna taste this little icing right here oh my pod no no this is criminal oh yeah comes cupcakes are great they really are I got you a present too but the jitterbug is being activated right now we'll get that right behind me man years young you're just gonna start lying about my age next year so you can you look like everybody in any way yeah people you know everyone's like oh you're gonna be 30 right what's it what you know do you feel 30 how can anyone feel like an age that they not argue that they aren't yet but you know like people like oh you know what does it at the janitor and third I understand I don't ask me a third it feels natural yeah like it doesn't feel weird that doesn't that doesn't fly do you own a few 30 of course not because no one can know what it feels like to be an age they are really having a funny because radio wait let you go off for a while saying like how could you feel a certain age you know you are what you are birthdays are stupid i like to have more years behind you then you have a head well that's the truth because there's no way i'm making it the 60 this is not happening no it's fine I've done what I've wanted to got a good life you know my bucket list is it's a short one now right and that's it survive is your next when I look back on my life I'd like to think that I've accomplished what I've wanted to accomplish yeah a mediocre show spent five years on a mediocre podcast I mean these are the achievements we take a night let's just move on please that's great someone side saluting there is--there all right uh we have r us on the show women speaking about the Mass Effect controversy all week Bioware is now sort of almost out of control I feel like they're having a tough time doing damage control in the way that they're presenting their side of the story so I want to get russ's insight on this everyone knows that the mess nerds have have sort of convened and raised like seventy five thousand dollars worth of charity it's charity so you know good for them I'm fine that we were saying that little maniac but it is a little maniacal arm where do you stand on the whole thing do you think uh it makes gamers seem spoiled do you think Bioware's doing the right thing in entertaining / flirting with the idea of changing the ending and what's actually happening i'm also really curious before you answer like is the ending really that bad you know as someone who doesn't play video games myself I could imagine if it was horrible I'd be frustrated that I have a great okay and to that point you should mention that i have no injured we're not gonna spoil an idea right but what we can do is maybe we just replace the names of character you know I was havin eyes deceive a minced let's compare it to another disappointing ending in in film or game day like they have another ending that was equally as i see i don't i think it's would you think compared to like Sopranos i think i actually think the ending is brent is good i agree with you i enjoyed the ending to soprano is it like a dallas type thing who knows how Dallas yeah this guy would grandpa first of all I was only 15 now ah i'm trying to think of something that we can all relate to we're the thing that i've been using over and over again i don't think it does it justice because i don't think they're on the same level is the ending to back to the future three were sort of just like meow but i think there's an analog right necessarily that basically without spoiling anything to the complaint that everyone has with the ending which i completely agree with is that the whole series about making decisions right making the decisions that embed that are supposed to impact something along Roger and what ends up happening is that throughout mass effect 3 you these decisions do come up and they do sort of effect like who you're meeting a new you're working with right but at the very end probably the last three hours of the game is almost a hundred percent static right ignoring any decision it all sort of uh comes to a head it all like funnels in right to this bottle necked story which I'm okay with that though like I'm I that's invited it it bothers me that like you said the entire trilogy focuses so much on the concept of choice making and giving you empowering the player but at the same time I think these sort of you know epic stories as you know as as varied as they can be in in your experience I think there is something to be said for the fact that it should have a finite conclusion that everyone sort of experiences at the same time maybe the path to the which you get there is different but I do think it's okay that there's one ending that everyone sort of sees so I'll give you an example of a situation of a game where there's lots of player choice and there is sort of a finite ending but you also see the impact of your player choice in the ending okay let me specify that I don't think that like I'm not saying like damn you by where for not doing this but this is what they could have okay is the 43 any of the fallout games really right so all those games have like this main overarching story and then there's side missions and like optional stuff you could befriend people and at the very end of the game this ron perlman actually comes on right little voiceover thing and explains to you basically what happened because you did this thing right or because you did that right so like the best of both worlds right yeah I'm again I'm not in a position to say this is what Bioware should have done it is 100-percent their decision and how they should end the game personally I would have found that a little more rewarding of course but it is what it is it is what it is I don't think it's fair to almost harass them to the point where they just seem like they need to keep the the gang happy they need to keep that sort of like horde of angry gamers happy by giving in to their demands I don't think that's cool I was very surprised very surprised because they released something before that Casey Hudson who's like the series manager yeah released a statement before that saying like mo mass effect 3 the entire game is meant to be the conclusion sure and then like three days later the one of the two studio co-founders co-founders a bioware came out with the statement saying yeah we're gonna we're taking all the feedback and we're potentially going to look at how to flesh out whatever so it's it's amazed they folded in seven well here's the thing and I think what's not totally been said is that I think this might be a bit of a like a marketing twist because we all know one hundred percent they were planning on doing deals of course it was definitely coming corso for all we know they're gonna they're DLC plan remains one hundred percent the same yeah and it obviously would flesh out the story somewhat because it was going to do that anyway so now all they're doing is framing it in a way that's like oh and we're trying to help out the fans that weren't happy there's just a reframing of what they're gonna do it so you're proposing that I'm not saying that's true but right but you're proposing that the DLC that was always planning any journalist will tell you they've been talking about this forever right everyone knew this is going to happen you're saying they're just sort of like framing it in a way that oh okay we've heard your cries and we've heard your complaints maybe will pacify you with this DLC always planning this whole time right exact all right I like that I think it's I think it's smart because that's how you you know it's like how do you keep an idiot busy you know that sort of thing I appreciate that but then you'll see stuff is that going to be extra content I can be an alternate ending you neither know I know you'll do a tooth it'll be like uh after admission yeah and maybe providing more insight do you think that will say shade the people that are complaining about the ending think half of them might be okay it doesn't matter anyway it doesn't matter they're gonna but that's the thing that's why you're probably right because who's not gonna buy this now you're not getting a full story unless you buy this play interesting interesting Lee enough for three did the same thing they did and they actually ended up well changing the ending right like made you what does it say what's your stance on that cuz I asked you i was actually frustrating i thought they did it really well hold up there a unique exception to the rule i feel like that fallout 3 was just as close to perfection as you can really get I think I still remains my favorite fallout game out of this new vegas tough I wasn't a huge fan if I know you liked it I liked it yeah Oh more class saya diehard new vegas guy i loved one and two yeah I was I mean I it's been too long um alright I want to move on in the game world talking with you um here's sort of an interesting topic that you and I are exposed to on a seemingly weekly basis in terms of the way game reviewers are treated by PR companies and by developers and whatnot kotaku and this is we actually heard about this and then our body Marlin from Trinidad sent this in and said hey when Russ is on the show make sure you talk about this with them because it's a big hit and Trinidad your dude you're huge you're on their money um from kotaku and this goes back to March thirteenth it says maybe video game reviewers are con men maybe well basically what it is it's sort of like a whistleblower who goes by the name on YouTube investigative journalism and sort of provide some insight to the whole debacle and maybe you know controversy of whether or not video game reviewers are in fact treated in a way that they are persuaded quote unquote bought for their good reviews obviously this week with CBS interactive acquiring giant bomb that came right into the forefront because of the whole Jeff Gerstmann incident with what happened at gamespot stop spot a couple years ago that was a big deal when I went down um I mean you know it's a it's a really delicate situation but we don't shy away from stuff like that we want to tell you I want to throw down the open what are your thoughts on this the the the movie that plays and it's long it's like 11 minutes and we encourage everyone to watch a watch this rights it's it's an interesting sort of situation it calls out things remember after Duke Nukem got the bad reviews their PR people came out more like all we're gonna reevaluate how we distribute condoms one guy was one guy but it's you know it's it's a it's a bigger picture sort of thing like that what are your thoughts on this the the the peace brings up interesting things like we are essentially wined and dined a little bit um you know when when review packets come along and a game review comes out there's a very occasionally there's a very strict code of conduct how you should cover a game what chapters should not be revealed right what spoilers you can't talk about what do you what's your thoughts on this so we'll take a few things first of all this so obviously we go to like preview events to check out games Jeff and I were at one yesterday there's going to be you know they'll be like snacks and like drinks sure want it so there's that I mean that's sort of a PR standard thing for right sure and I want to reiterate and especially if PPR people are less I know some some of our friends in this redo listen yeah we were cool that yeah and that doesn't sway a journalist either way that happens in the editorials I have seen it for a better word he's right its appeal is worth doing this on the board are like straight very very strict with themselves about that where they won't even take water yeah I think it's a little changing review over a dyke exactly and not only that it's all to me you should be doing that you should be providing stuff like that people are taking time out of their schedule to come to you it's sort of like of just a gesture a nice gesture okay so that's that um what were you talking about what was the second one that you brought up um the I guess that's the wining and dining sort of aspect um talking about guidelines for reviews oh yeah okay so whenever there's guidelines for reviews for example what you were talking about where you can't talk about level 4 or something like that yeah this is always a situation where these reviews the embargoes lifts before the game comes out and from out from a publication standpoint we have a decision to make we can either take the early copy that they send and run the review whenever the embargo lifts like a week before the game comes out and stick to their guidelines because the reason we have to stick the other guidelines is because we're you know they sent it to his early right or we can make a decision like we don't want to limit ourselves what we're covering and hold the review until the game comes out day of launch right you can say whatever you want right is that is the reason why they restrict you from reviewing those certain levels because it's a pre-release game and it's not gonna be the same one the customers will get no no I think it's it's a spoiler is this what you want to boil that in the way you would make sense you would want to do that finding a lot of embargoes are lifting day of now anyway that's true that's not noticing yeah that's have been happening more yeah it's I've never been in a situation where it's like we don't want you to well sorry that's not totally true there have been situations will the in and when they send a review copy that'll be like okay so this thing is not working great but we've got a day one patch coming so we don't want you to focus that on that in the right and that's when the alarm bells right that's when I red flags raised it almost always like a problem that never gets fixed and so so when it comes to a spoiler thing I personally agree i don't think spoilers should be of course of course but unless you're telling me about the giver right but yeah exactly yeah but if there are gameplay elements that are a broken share a major problem they need to be in there and if that means you know the only way they can be in there is holding the review I think we owe it to the readers to hold the review and whole launch day do you think there's a certain oh I I know there is and I know you'll agree with me but let's talk about the almost psychology of it all the way that certain things maybe are presented that sort of maybe steer you in a direction that a PR person is sort of you know they were like the the mass behind the people who represent the game are sort of leading you towards maybe it what do you mean saying like oh don't like you said don't play chapter for both because chapter 4 is kind of broken stuff like that without actually coming out and saying stuff like that do you know what I mean I certainly come up yeah because I mean we're playing through the entire sure it's not like a a lot of that stuff is marketing where they like say like this is the best multiplayer experience ever so they're sort of saying ignore the Singapore is not so good right sometimes you know that might be the case so do you get the impression and I do I want to know if you do as well do you ever get the impression that the games that the PR people know our bed do you ever get the impression that's they sort of handle those games differently yeah well a lot of publishers won't spend or tell their PR people to spend as much time focusing on them right right so they're yeah they're handled differently sometimes they're there are terrible games that yo PR people will go you know nuts over for sure because that's again it's what their bosses are telling them to do all right I don't want to spend too much time on this it's very Insider E but I feel like it provides insight that a lot of people don't really know much about what are you happy with the current state of like the pr journalists relationship do you think something needs to change do you see any trends happening that are like okay you know what I could go without having this happen again I so I don't want to make any broad statements because the pr journalist relationship is very singular to the person that you're dealing with greed and especially for publication to publication um I just majority of them are great people yeah what's that but i want to say i do think there is an element at which when you get to the smaller sites are much more prone to influenced by PR because they like a lot of the reason they're making these sites they're not making any money off of it but they want the games so when you hear stories about the duke nukem thing that's sort of pushing those sites into a situation where it's like okay well you know we're you're not going to get games anymore and that's like death to them so you know that stuff's unfortunate i wish that wouldn't happen but for the bigger site it's a casualty of the industry i think it's just the way it works there that's PR firm one that one there's 10,000 video game review sites yeah you know all clamoring for the same thing that's something that this article talks about as well as uh publishers threatening to pull advertising dollars from smaller websites or not giving pre-release copies to those smaller size sure and and if you're a smaller set that could mean like you have to shut down weenies get stuff on the hardware side without insurance training not to send seen it did not get an ipad early right everyone not that early or li na cannot or sometimes they won't send an invite to a keynote event right that's that's good or they'll send me one instead of seven right there's a lot of stuff we could all right a poster on you um alright cool this is very insightful I appreciate you opening up to us like that your things little therapeutic made was chronic let's take a break when we come back much more with Russ rustic on the 404 and we'll try and get some calls a lot more fun with our good buddy Russ fresh dick stick around more after this this is the 404 mr effers the show where we all sing songs welcome back to the 404 an interesting talk during the break you know it blows my mind that draw something story it's pretty remarkable something draw something yeah I know iOS games so you're familiar with the game yeah yeah I have the game I play it what's the story behind really you're playing games they look at yeah yeah I know weird right and this all leads to another conversation but okay draw something the the company that makes draw something is OMG pop which of course i think is the greatest name for a company great a great if it's 2002 they'd be right yeah 73 kindergarteners what we should name our company right we took the most popular response and they're just purchased purchased by zynga the mobile social mobile gaming giant for 180 million dollars 200 plus 30 million for employee retention and they have like 20 employees are like 40 whatever they're bigger they're all disgustingly rich now yeah I don't know how long it took them to develop that game but it's not exactly well made pictionary game is a good game but I feel like it's a one trick pony right i mean yeah aren't all iowa games won't respond yeah and that's part of the prompt do you think it's I mean I we were just getting we were just shocked at the value and in and who decides that value well it's interesting because the company that made World words with friends yeah was is that was Inga publishing go well think about them as well right for like 65 million right and then and that was like the most popular thing yeah that was huge draw something rose to popularity quicker perhaps well yeah it was also you know after everyone saw the growth of words with friends suddenly the draw something people could like have leveraged as for more money yeah I ok I guy I can understand that I was shocked well how much it was I thought there was a misprint I thought it was like 8 million eyes I got that that's a nice just change but no 180 million yeah but I i don't get it i just don't understand like where that value is or all I mean and in these these free games with their ads like are they really are are they worth well that games that free ya know Joe something's free it's free buddies in Reverse you can purchase the air but just means free game and most of the I would the majority people have the free version no they don't surprisingly a majority of my friends actually had the papers have new colors right put that what you're drawing maybe when I draw like a peacock sure that's something I want to be able to do but is I'm but I'm curious though I feel like are the numbers out on how many people get the free one verse the paid one I'm not sure I can't see that probably is very interesting free is free i think more interesting is the fact that Zynga has a bit of a reputation when it comes to seeing really cool ideas and then maybe just taking them for themselves that ass say it they've done it a few times most recently with 30 tower tiny tower so uh but interestingly enough there Tiny Tower game i think was called dream heights it last i checked on the app store it was like rated like one or two stars so people that was there was enough bad PR for them that people were actually aware of it right they've done before were no one even noticed right fill me in here what is tiny town tiny tower was not is a popular iOS game it's free it's like sim tower basically okay and this tiny developer out in San Diego made it and it was a huge success and Zynga basically changed the graphics of it but the gameplay is exactly the same okay and that legally that is fine you're allowed to do that because you can't a copyright gameplay mechanics but it's shady and not cool and think is sort of notorious for doing stuff like that right there also notorious for suing other people when other people steal their games which is just life is the motor background I just it's it really is in SE anyway it's it's just interesting to see them actually pony up the dough for this company right for draw something right there's a lot of money and it just shows you how much money they just got sitting around pretty staggering I mean I know they're alive investigating pictionary game right it's staggering I'm interested to see what they do next what are their connects but do you think and this leads into something else that we're talking about on yahoo games written by Chris MRSA jury this is the video game industry apples next victim I think it's stuff like this that will give the common you know Joe and Jane you know iphone user that impression that yes because think about it I mean I know a blockbuster game I hate using it as an example but modern warfare 3 that game didn't cost 180 million dollars to make probably lost like 60 like when all was said and done but it made a hell of a lot more money but you talked about that once you're in those hundreds of millions it's it's sort of people don't see anything because the article is basically saying that like there won't be console games will just be iOS games the article is basically uh is really saying the same thing we've talked about Amelia right like always talk about so we do talk about this a lot but this is a recent story and it's gotten so much attention just because and and then this whole draw something just feeds right into it but we've never really gotten russ's take on it so that's what I want to know and I know you are a big fan of mobile game but you love your console gaming as well and by your gamerscore everyone would know that so what do you think in reality now I know yes you cannot talk about mobile gaming or gaming at all without mentioning stuff like ipad and iphone games right but where do you see it in the big picture where do you see it when I it's definitely not going away doors and it'll only get bigger do you think the video game industry is apple's next victim do you think apple is gonna is hiding something up their sleeve or they're just going to put the xboxes and playstations out of business I wouldn't be surprised if when Apple puts the apple TV out it had iOS games like like downloadable straight to the Apple I'm definitely going to happen and it's and I also wouldn't be surprised if they sold a controller with it that's to me that's the big thing and I know they do that's a console that being said do I think that there's room for more than Apple in the gaming industry oh absolutely for sure this definitely they can't take it over well look at what when Xbox and Playstation when all those consoles came out and 0 5 and 0 6 the whole mentality behind all that was we're taking over your effing living room yeah and we're becoming the hub of your living room area now it's not about that it's like oh I'm on the run I'm mobile I'm playing I think it's still about like I still my xbox is the hub of my like chick flicks and and whatever I'm doing almost always involves my xbox so it's still to a certain extent true but there's this whole other part but I don't think they're mutually exclusive like I think there's always going to be the mobile aspect cuz you're not your house all the time course and then you're in your house and when you're in your house you don't necessarily want to play mobile games right sit on it and see something on the big screen that's the point I want to make it as I think that Apple is catering to a new type of customers like someone like me that would never play console games but is still liking to be entertained when he's on the toilet you know like that kind of a better question is is Apple killing portable gaming which is I think the answer to that is yes I don't think there's really any way you can get around with it I know it's the short answer no but I don't necessarily agree i mean this 3d s is a had a tough time it's still a tough time and Vita obviously you know uh you know is gonna have a tough time and the thing is though is that the feet is good yeah it's a great is a great sister it's an awesome system the games on that some of the games were really impressive um I also 50 times more expensive than tackling him and you know I had to beat as much bigger exactly it's it's a bigger piece of equipment to carry around with you and I've said this before like back in back in october i was like no I've i wrote i got a little bit of heat for it i said no there's no room for anything other than phone gaming on your phone i said all the 3ds the vita vita wasn't even out yet I was like go away get out of here at the end of the day I know it's a short of jumping to conclusions sort of situation but it's kind of the reality of it all if I have an iPad okay that already takes out everything that I need to carry what else do I need to carry besides a phone right and now I'm going to have a phone and iPad and a 3ds that needs to be charged every four hours or Vita that needs to be charged over five hours or whatever the hell it is you know it's just how many bags do I need to carry her you know and that's I don't know it's it's sad to say because Vita and 3ds games are better than I picking yep and you agree with that uh not necessarily some are and some aren't but you but don't you think there are experiences found on the Vita and the 3ds that the ipad will never be able to touch absolutely and I think vice versa really what so excuse idolized for because i don't think the Vita and 3ds or design and for short like if I'm playing a game in the elevator for two minutes right can okay of course that I will do this like I said that it's it satisfies that 15 to 25 minutes you're in the waiting room right that's what it's there for and it's on your phone in the battery lasts for a while yeah man oh man what's gonna happen you just pull the polyps you think they just pull the plug on it all just like it's always like why didn't Xbox ever you know come out with something portable maybe they maybe they see the writing on the wall with that well I don't know you're still seeing windows 8 gaming phones no so personally do you guys use portable gaming devices or you just go out with your phones uh yeah I'm almost exclusively with my phone Oh what I'm doing reviews they find out maybe the ticket there yes that's the funniest thing when do you use your portable gaming console will want to have to do a review of yeah I mean you guys work in this industry you have all of them I don't ever use I don't bring mine around maybe if I want to train for a long time I've been flying a lot recently I brought them on that it's really it oh man what's happening to the world we're living right p I don't know uh it's time for calls in the public let's get to a few before we gotta say goodbye time to show the love a jig 6404 cnet keep them in the vein of mobile gaming I said yesterday I got a friend who cheats at words with friends it's very obvious have you ever come across somebody that's like clearly cheating yes I can't stand that these people should be arrested and thrown in jail I wish there was a way to like test yeah like you can see like what their normal words are again when they pull out something there needs to be like a punkbuster for words with friends um so let's hear about this be4 for this is Suffolk from Stephen I just listen to episode and I here at mark talking about why you cheat where the friends where scramble trying whatever one he's exact reason we cheat we do it just so people get butt hurt that's all keeping butter all you know I blow it out your ass talk about being butthurt I don't you trade for you you cheated words a friend you do it so do people get butthurt yet not that's not why I'm a troll it is not a reason and hooch in like what other games do you really cheat at is there like everyone that cheats it like counter-strike with like her mom or was like act that's the same reason I understand but that's the mess with you I remember in college that it was getting tough to cheetah counter-strike like it was you know what I mean people find a way people find a way and that's for a game that's a little more involved where it's kind of worth it yeah you can have more fun but why would you cheat with the disposable game weird exactly you're totally right Justin it's a game where it's just quick and easy and hey I'm passing time and I'm gonna cheated this is like cheating it's like if you could somehow cheated tic-tac-toe yeah we're like rock-paper-scissors get a life like you're eating a five-year-old yeah it's like taking candy from a baby is it what it really is a spec a lot of my friends are cheating at Draw Something to just watching a stylist have you guys noticed pace to jpg and yeah well I've ever had someone write it out to me oh don't get doing way to find out is it what would you do that I want to get up to 48 turns shut up yeah you loser I'm sorry call your listeners boozers I'm just saying if you cheat it's the only thing cheated work with friends to me you're a loser and that as what is 48 turns like an accomplishment oh I don't know if you're cheating if you if like you get to 50 does your phone spit out a hundred dollars where's the incentive if you could about myself no you don't okay aha I just started becoming a chromogen already I'm just sayin of who would disagree with that and get off my lawn I'm like Andy Rooney are ya unbelievable um we got to talk about this before we hit before we gotta say goodbye Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles we've been on it all week can I get your impression really what do you think about the whole like amazing the ninja turtle gate you think I think it's a train wreck I think it's a travesty I think it's last day as far away from that French as possible I mean it's like unbelievable it's not unbelievable I you know considering every movie really but the first one well I guess the secret of the users kind of educating to the first two were great okay but everyone after that was terrible right and I mean so like how long has it been set the franchise was anything worth noting I don't know you're right decades it's unbelievable I read something so funny other day like oh they're going to take the mutant out of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles so we're taking the n out of TMNT Oh Michael Bay TNT boom dynamite I get it I think that's pretty funny why why don't get it uh I don't get it I spoke too fast no I I heard what do you say we already have to do glow shins like it like lotions it looks better on reddit or added this out after yeah it'll be fine let's talk about you guys I've been catching up on your show and I just have a few things that I wanted to say first for the Ninja Turtles the original comic was a parody of some of the big other comics of the day like daredevil in fact the original or original origin story is that the booze is in a traffic accident and it hits a young boy cool before it seeps into the sewers with the turtles and that young boy is daredevil the foot is named after when daredevil fights the hands and there's many other references to that so I think if they need a movie they should actually include some of those references and really kind of make it more of a pop culture thing like you're no chronic what all right there's a lot of information to digest their first of all how is the ooze in a traffic accident was driving next it does their chance for news on a motorcycle it just doesn't fly the booze is like self-aware they're all right well fine so a truck carrying the news Ross to how dare you take that literally up I didn't know that did you know any of that now I've never heard of any that have you know I certainly didn't know that it hit a blind kid named Matt Murdock who was eventually gonna be daredevil is what's been years but I didn't I thought Daredevils rise to becoming daredevil had nothing to do with I don't I think it's like know it you're right another but i think it's like this was like a retailer alternate history sort of thing that's the daredevil was unaffected i guess by the use is what they're saying it like just bounced off of him roll down sewers and then data fact with easy they're Devils with his power is just the heightened sense of like a way I didn't even need any magic powers it was just because he was blind he just had a super-sensitive center right man I don't know yeah I mean maybe in this alternate universe a little bit of those leaked into his eyeballs and that it created a sensitive right and do that and if I so yeah that would be really funny yeah uh would but when they actually do that though but that's the thing imagine they retold the story and incorporated Daredevils a lot to take in it is odd to take him but I think there's something sort of intriguing about incorporating daredevil into the TMNT etymology yeah I mean yeah I would I would watch that more than I'm going to not watch this Michael Davers right also why was there a rat hanging with turtles in the beginning well okay we went over this there's two versions there's a comic version that says that uh I'm so now I said that splinter uh came over as a rat with his ninja master and then with no and ros exposed to the use expose their wrote expose these is I think what it is is the first movie is actually quite accurate to what the original comic was it was the cartoon that had some freedom with it and in the cartoon i can confirm for sure cuz i remember it was like a person that got turned to a rat right yeah you sensei yeah I got turned red every sin the movies is super dark too and that's what the are we had a bunch of colleges week saying the real Ninja Turtles is like god it's like very different see more like Raphael's like in the tub ya ali ya do that let me get started dark place because you guys ever that yeah it's kind of Sydnor like crying there's a lot of crimes like REM playing in the background really everybody hurts yeah they were playing songs that weren't written yet that's amazing though I gotta get rewatch that tub see it's pretty deep it's like then like April to drawing him yeah really we just see where someone's drawing someone else it's like heightened emotion yeah i mean like super deep ninja turtle stuff yeah you know they're there they're mutants but they've got feelings they're real people young little emo turtles I'm telling you man Russ rustic dude always a pleasure man guys thanks so much in here tell us where the kids can find you sure Vox games you can go to the verge calm / Vox games there's a temporary home for us and box games on Twitter and I'm a truss rustic on twitter follow us on twitter because he's a great guy I try he says funny stuff yes that's that's all I'm gonna lie my birthday Jeffy well thank you go tomorrow but thank you that was like a surprise party to me yes thank you for the cupcake it's freaking wait I gave I gave it all sorry it's the verdict on / gaming that I say the lash gaming okay so not vox 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