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it's Thursday may 13 2012 you've tuned into the 404 show on cnet TV I'm Jeff Bakalar I'm ty pendlebury and this is the show where we go beard core that's right not one not two but all three of us we got some stubble going on in the studio today and we hope that that feeling exudes through the microphones and wires and into your face as vehicle early yes ty pendlebury is on our program today filling in for Justin you what's up ty not much i'm just being asked to say words the moment i'll really want yeah i don't know just you feel like you're being controlled controlled puppet style yeah I'm the puppet master and you are my marionette welcome to the party dude no but seriously thanks for being here justin is away for a few days he'll be back on Tuesday and that's the way the cookie crumbles all right he's delet that's a saying here but the cookie crumbles yeah I don't really say it a lot this might have been the first time I've ever said sure so don't get you to it it's what i'm trying to say i just like Heather there's some you know I was gonna say synonyms that's not the right no there's some idioms idiot che some overlaps that I know you guys are so many thousands of miles away we still get language there damn straight the language knows no bound her nights it does yeah the original main that's it man you and me we're brothers from another mother right there um so you're doing well it's been a while so yeah yeah it's been a month or two ya been doing well you know lots of TVs come out we've we're right in the middle of TV season right now this is it yes oh we're getting lots of TVs in Panasonic's are coming in we're still waiting on samsung's which everyone wants to know about so we're still waiting for those to come in but we've had lots of Panasonic's lots of LG's so yeah right in the thick of it I am so surprised by your enthusiasm hey you are see these TVs do what's mojo so you're still not jaded yet it's not like I've been doing this for like seven years yeah it's amazing you know you gotta keep it fresh we were like cats Meyer you just have an affinity for you just of what you do yes clear and that's great it's you know and I loved my job when I when I worked at the scene at office in Sydney and I was just you know blessed and glad that I could come to the New York office and and do the same thing and hang out with you know cool dudes so it's it's all been good that means a lot to hear then I'm glad you're happy um so is there anything recently in in the TV review world that's caught your eye that's been like you sort of been like wait a second you know cuz I feel like televisions for the most part haven't really done a lot other than voice control you know I'm i hate this artificial smoothing with the hurts and stuff i think it looks like trash 3d is sort of Luke if it has a lukewarm reception well is there anything sort of knew that you're you're psyched on well lets you know a lot of people are interested in the smart interaction from Samsung at the moment you know you talk to you hi TV and read you can you know karate move at it can you really it does motion yeah yeah no wave at it Renji move stuff and you grab it you push it and but it's not it's it's a gimmick like I I don't know if you have an xbox I don't have a next yeah but do you use that stuff on the Xbox Kinect no no I'll you know what I'll do that's a good point I mean I feel like it it probably works better and connect right yeah it's probably safe well that's that's the third generation technology I think which is actually by the or part of the inventors which is primeSense there are fairly company guys what Samsung have done they didn't license that technology they went we'll do it ourselves yes they usually do and it's not as good it's not as good yeah even the primesense version isn't quite there they they were exhibiting this year at sea yes uh-huh wasn't quite there people walking past and you know the guy was apologizing I yeah it's just loses loses some time this is great let me see s like the freaking you know the biggest stage in the world for electronics yeah I mean demitted Lee there were people moving around course but it wasn't right so Samsung trying to do it it's a gimmick yeah but what's really good at the moment is the pan is slated 06 pana so I said I mean Samsung panasonic at the moment has the best TV and is possibly will have the best TV yeah I'm really what made it only may I'm more caution to the wind sort of guy where as my colleague David Katz miles quite carefully yeah he's not about to say obscene say you're ready to crown of them already I'm ready to go I'm ready to go to the the st50 by Panasonic not even and how so that's a 50-inch ah well it's that's the series so it was between 42 and 60 i think that's amore and what are we looking at with price for the 42 which i think is only in overseas Brand X or overseas model yeah here it starts at 50 inch it's about 1,300 for a free flash again it's better than last year's better than last year's best TV right wow that's amazing technology would sorts of plasma plasma there are a lot of people out there you go download plasmas plasmas are great they're great um and I think Panasonic and I just put up a review of their first LCD that we've reviewed yeah and it's not as good night I think is sort of like okay so you can pay a lot for our LCD yeah or you can pay five hundred dollars less and get an awesome TV yeah so it's like a bait and switch type thing but in a good way that's not bad 1300 for a 50-inch yeah and it's a great it is phenomenally really oh man cuz I'm I'm not in the market for a new television but I'm at the point where I'm ready to do it for no good reason yeah well I mean it's got gaming good for gaming yeah except if you stand up um it's got this thing called luva filter which is basically film they put on the front right so that any down facing light yeah he's deflected okay so that's a problem with plasma if you have the lights on all right it looks Brown yeah well what this does is is refracts that light off see still see we won't Oh interesting but if you play wii or connect or anything in your quite close to the screen you won't see the screen oh that's a problem yeah but it depends on how far away you are if you're standing like as far as i am away from this monitor you can see how far away it is right it's only way yeah you have a small room you stand up you might see the screen says well that's not interesting can you get that television without the cup there there's the UT 50 oh good it's like 300 bucks less wow that's what I'm buying yeah so here about every awesome two years oh my god my TV doesn't need sunglasses that's nonsense so yeah the UT 50 and the st 50 excellent televisions all right good to know good advice and you can read all of ties reviews on cnet com we were talking a little bit in the pre-show about our beards which are epic and then we uh and then we got into a little discussion someone in the chat room had said something about when they were in Australia the last time uh apparently they were they were defecated upon by a koala bear which is cuz we talked about drop bears lost on which talk about repairs were these sort of like vampiric bears that seemed almost science fiction that have like the fangs of a vampire the the desire to kill like a werewolf and everything else and sleepiness and then you go ahead and tell us what story so one of the people of chat room was saying like a shat on by a koala right essentially i got defecated on by pigeon on my tongue okay so another lady of animals everyone just listen to that for a second you didn't hear incorrectly wasn't the accent ya know I was hiding bubble bubble gum okay and I thought that the bubble gum had exploded yeah it was patron shit know what are the odds of that happening at the very time you decided to blow a bubble now this bubble must have been respectable because if it's big enough for a pigeon to like sort of targeted you know what I mean you know it was the London right they really oh my god we gotta take that out and there was just an impostor saludos carpet bomb to your face with panting crap I can't believe animals that can do weird things to your voice had maggots in my eye oh and i know mine are you online you went out for say that I don't know you shouldn't say that this isn't TV wait time she she she were a bed of your eye by licking it out who Leroy's my nan your nan yeah I feel like I'm is your name like a relative or yeah yeah yeah like a grandma hi ty ty joojeh yeah when you had maggots in your eyes cuz whatever glow fly get huge insects here yeah I don't know what's the biggest things that you get I hear like it I don't know like I can follow like a drag that's a drag took large as hell but we get blowflies really big blow for I'm seriously gonna freak out round not big like like dragonflies song no Australian dragonflies are armed with what the hell is that your dragon style give me the faith don't give me that size the size that's like to shoulder the shoulder that's crazy how big are these bugs really not that big okay then I feel like that but essentially as a swatting a blow fly on the wall and exploited okay yeah that wasn't no it seems like you really have to survive in the am back teams did you carry a knife in like a whip with you the whole time I should've I should've man oh man aren't you glad to finally move to New York City what all you have to battle are nine foot long rats and people and people yeah what's worse uh take my chances with the animals yeah you know cuz we get you know brown snakes in Australia which are pretty much one of the most poisonous snakes in the brown snakes they used to just like slither around on our property but as long as you don't go near them internet surprise them or find hurt yeah let's say about bees as long as you don't piss Abby off he's not gonna sting you yeah I don't know about that I've sort of been a victim of uh you know a bee stinging on a boat but you stand on the night stand on them yeah what why can't you you've never stood on the beat barefoot no I've never liked stepped on a bee yeah yeah whatever bye babe really yeah maybe shouldn't walk around barefoot yeah you know when you're yeah dude all of that crazy you know I was I was harvesting honey and I just decided to go barefoot no it's got no King brown snakes all right you're a big gamer let's switch gears a little bit you love games it's it's a very nice change of pace on our program you know Justin doesn't give a crap about getting I don't know if it's because he doesn't get it if he's not good at it I don't know I mean all the right stereotypes are there you know he should by all means be a gamer but he is not sadly um and the creator of minecraft is now saying that he believes quote that EA is destroying gaming and we're talking about Markus Persson Pearson I can't pronounce his name correctly obviously but it goes by notch that's his a nickname and he says that the way that they conduct business the way that they do what they do they they sort of uh you know trying are essentially ruining the gaming industry I don't mean III understand where he's coming from I don't think EA is ruining it I think EA sort of does their own thing Pearson wrote on his uh uh twitter feed he said he goes EA releases an indie bundle that's not how that works EA stop trying to ruin anything you bunch of cynical beeps so yeah he clearly does not have a nice bone in his body towards EA but what do you think I mean you know ea's got been in the crosshairs a lot because of what they do with their online passes yeah you know they're attempting to thwart used games pre preemptively even before we hop into the next generation of consoles so what do you think I mean do you really think that uh notches negative vibes towards EA are justified I don't know it's it's hard to say I mean they are one of the biggest publishes in the world right and I feel like it's natural to sort of raise your fist at the big guy yeah I you know down with you but what do you think I mean you know I I just uh I feel like there's this misguided sense of like of like this like evil an empire like EA is like you know all they're worried about is destroy I mean you know EA for the most part while yeah they have some questionable sort of things they're also bringing in specifically an example I thought that they did last year was really cool you know they brought a game like shadows of the damned they distributed that game which would probably not have seen the light of day you know I don't I don't know what it would have happened they took a gamble it was an indie sort of game maybe they didn't market it as well as they should have but they still gave a very like obscure game it's time to shine by giving it this this release I don't know I feel like there's two sides to the story were they I mean if there is such a big publisher they can't possibly release indie game exactly but I think in D has you know greater common connotations particularly in the music world where Cody is a style of music it's not necessarily means that you're right an indie label doesn't always mean your design signed yeah so maybe that's what they're going for I mean it's not looking at the games in a warp shank Gatling gears which have never heard of death spank they're not you know you're shoot-'em-ups you're you're a one titles right lesson on titles so you know it's it's semantics i think i think so too and i'm not ready you know look i agree i don't think these are necessarily deserve that in the sort of label but you're right it's semantics it's it is what it is this is the world we live and remember when all those quote-unquote independent movies were like so huge in the early 2000s and and Warner Brothers even rebranded there a section of their distribution it was called Warner Brothers independent have that is how does it work how do you declare yourself independent when you have the the muscle it's you know it's like almost like saying like we're an independent podcast no CBS owns the four of that we are not India at all it might feel like it is it might feel a little DIY at times but at the end of the day we've got a big backing partner here you know so it is what it is but as you said you know that there are actually put you know drawing attention to games and developers that wouldn't ordinarily right like the game that you you put up the shadows of the shadows of the damned of the damn you know and things like this things like steam for example that do give credence to games that you wouldn't ordinarily see great and I think for example one of the best games of the year it won't be as far as I'm concerned won't be you know some shoot them up it'll be journey okay you know then not an indie developer either right but it's again what technically I mean there's apple pie so nice right for sure but they you know Sony sorta has is like hands off sort of thing yeah but you're right there is no such thing I mean really when you want to get to the real Indy sorta games it's like the games you can only play on the web you know by developer just like hey I can only build this in flash it's free check it out uh you know even three birds angry birth in in the beginning yeah you know I look at something like limbo you know limbo was an independent developer uh you know and that's and but still once you get onto the xbox live marketplace and you're featured on the front door it's like okay you're you're you're at a different level now and I mean it's not it's not your parents basement in it's like calling something we need this note indeed isn't necessarily destroying game it's just funny how we're going through the same thing that we went through in film and music and now it's just happening in games two and we just have a little label war you know anyway we'll take a break when we come back more with Ty on the 404 stick around we'll get to some calls from the public maybe another story or two we'll be back right after this this is the 404 emer effers the show where we all sing songs welcome back to the 404 ty pendlebury on our program yet I you could follow tie on Twitter how did they do that time what you need to get an internet machine okay now step one okay so I know your mother I know I don't know what that it that really has to do with anything but I'm at ty pendlebury or one word easy enough make sure you follow ty will also put that in the show notes today or guess I'm doing that I don't even know how to do the show notes whoa figure it out I've no literally no idea to do it I think I've done it six times in the four fours history which is what now two years for for ya oh man that's your mayor depressing me okay this is like 40 years yeah Oh gonna lie down get out of your funk I gotta lie down on a capsule right now talk about my problems speaking of problems I've had a problem with rhythm games for a while grey light Our Heroes the DJ heroes the band rock star things you know kind of lame they did last longer than jaw something though but did they yeah I do something is over man yes something cayman went came in when is that worth almost two hundred million dollars you know I know it's not it was fun for a couple of minutes so what does Zynga do what do you do you bought this thing you know it's like you went to a flea market you know that is right you get a flea market and you find this like baseball card that you think's worth 50 million dollar or whatever it is yet you get home and you're like oh I looked it up that's only worth a dollar seventy-five alright what have I done you know do you think they have buyer's remorse oh for sure for sure I mean that did put in like some extra features that we needed like a chat feature oh you're bility to save the actual picture oh yeah oh my god but I just find that I'm not interested anymore watching them guess what I draw were you know drew I really care about the terrible yeah there's literally nothing cool about draw something anymore we I know we were beating it at horse we talked about this yesterday but there's something about this story that I find pleasure in I just enjoy the fact that they were bought for an obscene amount of money and it just is blowing up in a bit I think that's awesome I don't want to happen we think it's like Freud and shot right you know I mean like it's just well not my problem yeah well you know so I think that you know I still have a soft spot for rhythm games I do I did and I'm a boy I actually i'll tell you what play an instrument man i know i can go and really yeah I wouldn't bought guitar hero no it wasn't guitar hero rock band green day for ten bucks the other day and I'm actually going to buy a guitar bring back the old days you know staying up till stupid o'clock in to stupid class Jupiter clock like sleeping in your clothes sort of stupid so I remember those days back in the late 2000s whatever you call those yeah late orts I'm not gonna lie I played my fair share of guitar hero as well I did I did why not right some of the music was okay yeah you put it's a party game yeah sounds like you were doing this alone hahaha which is literally is a little upsetting but um yeah I don't know I i think it was overkill right it got too much too fast banty are killed it band hero lego guitar hero was there really a lego guy there was uh it seems that everyone was under the impression that the iOS version of rock band which EA puts out was going away turns out not the case an erroneous message was sent out to people who have the game on iOS that said on May 31st rock band will no longer be playable on your device thanks for rocking out with us I'd be pissed if I saw that I was like oh there's a message on my screen there that's uh people's soul I'd be pissed to be like oh cool I just bought this but i guess not gonna be able to play this because it's not real precedent for that no real games so he could away have been like they've been taken off for example but you could still play them right and i don't move from your device forcibly you know so this was the first time a lot of people understandably got upset about it obviously there was only like 20 songs I don't think it received that much support I never actually played it myself but it's you know for that to happen you sort of lose a lot of faith and obviously it was it was a a again this time so you know they're not doing very well on the news no they seem to be sort of shooting themselves in the feet they're a little bit but nevertheless it's not going away you will be able to still rock out yep with your fingers on rock band because you're such a freaking talented musician I did try playing that one which you hooked up to your D s did your weird sort of you know the yeah that was weird the knuckle game it was no yeah this knuckle exercise yeah yeah like the stress machine was like that it was really and equally as unpleasant oh my god it's like what were they thinking yeah you know anyway the beat goes on with rock band iOS so if you have that it's not going away great speaking of iOS apps ty you recently got your hands on the Spotify iPad app yeah and I want to hear more about this because we just had our buddy from Spotify on the show we didn't really talk too much about that specific app yeah because it wasn't announced until Wednesday that's right so what were your feelings and impressions on the new Spotify out it's a lot like the desktop app I don't know if you use Spotify I do yeah I'm shitting no you see next time I write use what these model goal do you know the other one right on I've never heard of mog but anyone know gee I don't know what that is you like it there's a whole bunch of those right on so what did you think yeah it's a lot like the desktop app so I don't have a you know ipad to show you that's okay if you're familiar with the desktop app the only thing it doesn't add like back in December they added individual apps which I use quite a lot actually brace once from individual record companies yeah they're starting to blow up a little bit yeah this is pitchfork there's once from tunewiki there's a whole bunch of different ones for sure which and they said you know I asked a couple of these questions and radios the one thing that people want on their on their iPad or iOS app in that the desktop version has a radio so I don't know their yeah you can actually mix it up and you choose the genre similar to what happens with last.fm okay a CBS company so it does that as well he said you know these are features would really like to have how I mean so probably come yeah so desktop type apps will probably come and radio will come right on iOS app more than likely the app itself it's nice the best thing about it as a cover flow type oh it's an arrangement I'm a sucker for that I'm a sucker for his fun having nice big cover-ups yeah but what they see it is is essentially a stereo replacement so either use airplay to stream it to you I guess your Apple TV or you know some sort of airplay enabled device or you stick it in a dock Brodin I can see that sort of working the great thing about spotify as opposed to some of the other streaming services is they have a really high bitrate mmm so in some cases it's almost indistinguishable because they use OGG Vorbis that's a lot of mp3 or a local or whatever the AI double f or whatever the right the apple one is so they use high bit rate and foremost music can tell a difference that's great I don't the quality man that's what I was always very impressed with Spotify yeah I'm just streaming quality I don't use I've got a hole ripped library at home there's a 160 kilobits to I guess 250 or something I got from a service such as what's the name but there's a whole bunch of mp3 services you can get from and I've bought a few of those okay but I can see them going away now how would you pay ten bucks for an album except when we can pay ten bucks to get spotify and get everything ya know it's your better quality than you'll buy from mp3 it's really you know it's one of these things that I struggle with personally because i have my own ass system at home and i have all my music and it's all encoded at a really high bitrate sounds great and this is stuff that i ripped from my personal CD collection so it's not even like pirate stuff you know a legit it's weird i feel i feel this sort of you know in tangible physical connection yeah you know i know that sounds like an oxymoron but it's just I feel like I'm tethered to it in some way and I'm not ready to just let it go yeah but it's feels inconsequential I think having a streaming service yeah it doesn't feel like it's yours whereas i guess a Zen I've had the same experience you know I you know few hundred CDs back at home which I've left that sure by that I mean Australia yeah and sort of ripped as many as I could right but it's not as good but I still feel like you miss it plus you know those cds won't work on our CD players no they're upside down they're upside down guys come out of them instead of into them they spin the opposite direction yeah crazy striking CD players but no I want to hear what people have to say about that because I have this connection man it's like even though their bits and bytes in ones and zeros they're still mine and that's you know Steve got Guttenberg who's on last week he's right into that you know can you feel a connection to something that's memorable is you're not actually touching I think you can I think Peter kids are out there listen to this podcast that you know have a connection to music right and don't necessarily ever have had to touch recklessly I do think though that we are the last of a certain generation though I do think once Napster today was not the Napster have it say in Australia yeah I think at the second that you know and we've talked about this before because we talked about how um you know just because you don't physically own it like a game you sort of lose a right and unwritten right about it do you know what I mean that you just don't own something we're talking about downloadable games and how you know the new consoles we're going to eliminate used games you know is that whole idea of like you don't own it because you don't hold it in your hands and that I feel like I'm not ready to to sort of have that relationship with my music yet or anything for that matter I don't know if I've mentioned this on the podcast or maybe the other one sadly gone now which is the lab scars essentially I think you should have a buy once used for over license okay so essentially if you go to the cinema for example go and see a movie you should get a download ticket that you can use forever that's got to be more money yeah it's gotta be like 25 well yeah if you pay an extra five bucks at the time you don't get a DVD or anything I would that's not a bad ideas at the moment I've got you know a few hundred CDs check home yeah I can't get that music any anyway but if I downloading it but paying for it or getting rule you realize that's a pipe dream though yeah just because everything on any organizations yeah would have to jump on board together and play nicely yeah we just that doesn't want never happen unfortunately but what wide licenses are a thing that I'm pushing for I'm pushing for us my personal crusade it's not really getting anywhere develop a platform and maybe people will jump on board if you can if you create content you just make a worldwide license distribution goes away yeah you just sell directly to us I think you're cutting out too many middleman yeah well that's the other companies are doing it I know they're the measurement know for sure HBO is going to go straight to through the end user I'll give it two years I hope man you know we're talking earlier about a hulu and them requiring a cable connection which sort of seems like a step backwards really yeah note about they're gonna start to do that soon as it's on the table so it's a rumor because I mean they aren't by Cummings and Fox yeah and Disney is it's in their interest to do that but Netflix the same Barry but at the same time though it's like why do that will add to me it's a step backwards if I'm hulu and everyone and not let's not forget they made half a billion dollars last year in ad revenue okay it works right doesn't that's a key indication right that it works why do that why require all these people who are using your service that like it enough to generate a half a billion dollars worth of ed revenue why then require them all to go back in and still be tethered to that cable connection I think it suits you know elderly suits worry don't get it yeah just don't get it um everything's gonna go online you know you still have freed away I think that'll still happen yeah a nice goal free to wear what you call it terrestrial or I've dressed really yeah that'll still be there but capable companies will go away though just be providing a pipe it's a future I hope exists and something that always puts a spike in that is the idea of you know getting your content on line illegally BitTorrent Inc downloading stuff right we follow this website TorrentFreak a lot they came out with a post today that sort of oh maybe makes a loophole for people who frequent these sites so a judge in new york mr. gary Brown has explained in great detail why he believes an IP address is not sufficient evidence to identify copyright infringers okay he's basically saying an IP address does not equal a human being now I feel like it doesn't equal a human being but where there's smoke there's a fire yeah you know what I mean so yeah obviously uh you know no one can ever unless until we're living the world where we all have barcodes and IP addresses on our on our necks and we have to log in every time we want to use the Internet I still think there is something I you know look obviously yes in a binary sort of world an IP address could be anybody it could be somebody who hacked in it is on your router right you know you like if someone's downloading something illegally from you you could maybe not know you could just have someone who acted on to your router and is using your service there are little variables that affect the situation but I mean you know it is what it is this is what one judge in New York has to say about it I mean this is a topic of conversation that's been going on forever and it seems like there really is no definitive end in sight it's funny that some you know judges seem to not you know the obverse of that in that there's a judge in the UK who's basically ordered all the ice piece to block pirate bay right don't actually hold any content exactly don't do anything yeah I mean obviously they are a major chain in the link yeah a link in the chain rather but lets you know it is what it is I mean that if you want to grow that is a gross sort of you know sweeping accusation there do you mean yeah like they're just like if you can't even go there yeah every isp in the UK kind really you know they pretty much the cool part by its it's pretty much there's no legitimate content online they're not hot nerd buying anything I but you know trying to block it means that people just do a Google search if you google search anything but aren't in it you'll get lots of oh yeah it's you won't just get the part The Pirate Bay is just now become the scapegoat yeah you know there's just like all they have feel like you should they have part in their name I wonder what they're doing there yeah you know i love the letters that these guys right the people have you have you read some of the letters they they oh they wrote this one letter that dreamworks over over a shrek incident and the language that they use in their letters go search on it if you have a time if you have the time really brilliant stuff uh we almost are at a time let's get to a few calls time to show the love a jig 6404 cnet all right we only got a few minutes let's hop to it hey for a full crew this is jeff from levanah a little bit behind but i just looked into friday's episode with Steve Guttenberg and I felt I had to call in well I admire his vote of confidence in the two of you being able to replace Letterman down the road I was more intrigued by the idea of which of the two of you would be the sidekick and sorry to break it to you Justin but I think Jeff is Right see the lead and you're bringing the race card into it with a bit ridiculous I mean just not saying you couldn't do a great job on your own oh it's so bad that he's not here and two of you were paired up you're the sidekick you're just naturally the nato's who is Green Hornet yes the short round two is Indiana Jones Jack Burton and race has nothing to do with it so don't go there man you're better than that I'm Australian it cos getting minorities to to be a psychic is oh that's how that's how I like meeting interviews out of it no I know it wasn't that and dude believe me know you're all minorities here um yeah I don't know I don't know of what to say to that I kind of wish Justin heard that they will play from when he comes back hopefully listens on I am what's that guy on the yo I'm like the guy on the bandmaster yeah yeah I do you feel like you yeah a little bit shopping in from the back step that's all that's all um Mexico if our focus is rich from Cleveland here just calling all this controversy over Justin could give up the internet for a year you know we would handle that I think maybe a good compromise maybe try a week or a month only using dial-up internet I think it's a nice compromise between full connectivity and you know being able to still do your job I did it all throughout college actually and it sucked hard like exceedingly so so yeah cool idea filler okay so you know the story right did your the story this guy from the Verge's god that's right and John's like I could do that that's no problem well alright do you think first off do you think you could do that do you think you could voluntarily for no real reason because this guy still has yet to give a legitimate reason why he's hell is he posting to the internet if you ask I don't know he's like safe riding on paper it really is among the Dumber things I've ever heard to be totally honest uh too bad he won't hear that because you can't be on the internet yeah um you know I just don't get it you know what point are you trying to he's still using a computer right so he's gonna do his work on his on his little laptop he's gonna like take it on a thumb drive and give it to somebody who was allowed to use the internet what are you doing woodiwoodi what are you really doing but regardless if you for some reason had to get off the internet for a year do you think you could do it could I do it it's very interesting like there it does get very clicky hmm depending on what sites you frequent and you know not everyone can keep up with every meme and like if it's like that obnoxious for verizon aid oh that's so 23 seconds yeah getting to that point where if you're not right up to it you sort of you know left behind and I hate to see that that's getting to that but it is but it's like it's the it's the avenue of communication yeah it's not it's not people are spiteful against it for some reason this isn't it yeah this is where we've evolved to you know what I mean yeah it's not like it's an unnatural progression yeah it's not like we all are you know feeding off the you know the teat of some like corrupt you know overlord it's just the way it is do you know I don't know it's I feel like the same sort of you know friction evolved when people started using the telephone you I'm serious yeah like when people started using the telephone they were they go up no one's ever gonna leave their house again yeah you know why should I need to leave my house man could just phone you up you know I don't know like it's hard to see where you know technology could go from here and really you know it is this the last thing everything is just going but do you ever say that we don't know yeah we don't know we don't know we could say this the internet is going to be the platform for whatever technology well next exactly so uh yeah so but the whole dial-up thing that our buddy rich brings up that's that sucks that's just that's not even fun ever those noises sure Don but Don and you could did you ever sing along with it no I did I sisting a lot you said yeah oh my god a disoriented by illness what do you mean this is are we losing a connection with the internet cuz we're counseling along with on moda I think so you would seeing harmoniously I wouldn't you ah that would be cool uh finally an interesting caller with an interesting topic that we will get you right now hey far far this is jason Zeke Colin from northern VA I just think that let you guys know that I cannot wait to hear your your show and just to kind of let you know I'm actually one of your gay this nurse and I just adore you guys I'm so glad that you guys don't kind of just the gay community just minorities I was gonna say me too I'm glad we don't describe and I am going to call in regularly love you guys I alright doable thank you very much and we love you too that's awesome to hear I would hope we have more than I thought he sounded like you said like I'm your only Kahless I I hope we have more than one geez right oh maybe you guys aren't good looking is that what it is maybe you keep the camera on me or yourself more often and how about that maybe I don't you see less clean clean feist young yeah he's so clean face me I don't know no but he's arguably the better looking of Justin my nigga mocking here yet man hey now hey now you know the mark in here every day that's an unfair advantage right there 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