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it's Monday May seventh 2010 well in 2011 2010 2012 why was this a in 2010 I have no idea that's so weird what movies came out she's a year off that's the two years off was that inception losing it I was incepted over the weekend we'll get today right after we introduce ourselves it's the 44 show on cnet I'm Jeff Bakalar amscot Stein and this is the show where we can't believe how much it made my god yeah that's a lie a lot of money to make for one movie we're talking about the Avengers that pulled in over 200 million dollars this weekend obliterating every record that was previously held that you buy such fine films as like what spider-man 16 or something like that yeah it no it really a dead man's chest as they call it an outright the harry potter movie was the one that it actually dethroned yeah it's the biggest a jump in terms of just cash just strictly speaking cash in in history it looks like judging by this little infographic that we got our hands on and they say they would be a 30 years yeah yeah and they say the movie industry is having problems well that's a pretty awesome number for Phil it I still do think it is having problems i think is his avengers one of these films that was out in 3d was this one of these yes it was yes all right well but it's a it's a isn't it a converted so it's not a didn't post is what you're saying yes I believe that's whether that's what I'd read about this all right well regardless I do think this does speak volumes about what people are willing to see and it takes this enormous blockbuster for someone to be like hey you know I'm gonna go see a movie if it involves literally every Marvel superhero put into one film and that's sort of what the Avengers are I mean it's got an all-star cast I can't this movie had to cost 200 million dollars to make as well I can't see it costing any less than that yeah it seems seem pretty epic and they invested so much time in making all of these films that led up to it with the same cast right it's kind of like the biggest uh it's like a tantric movie release you know like we've got every Avengers hint in other trick in other movies and credits yeah we've been watching through iron man and even people who SAT through Thor for sure did you saw thor no I see I didn't say I heard mixed stuff about Thor yeah I did everything but Thor and I thought about watching it to get ready for this one but I'm still not sure I want you i heard doesn't make that much sense with some of their comment saying like you know if you want to find out Bubba with Loki well just let it go you know it was like okay well I guess there's no continuity exactly with that I gotta I think I gotta do this I think the right people are behind this i mean i really like joss whedon roll the Avengers yeah yeah you don't mean and I really like the way they sort of handle this that's it sounds awesome you know with all the movies that were leading up you know I feel like a lot of people just think like oh I you know I hey I hate on everything this is something that I'm marginally excited about we're the only you know dahod cast room there's not seen this movie that we really owe nobody is seeing the film we really it's funny kind of amazed us the three of us have not seen this film uh but again it just obliterated records it really just made every other I mean when you think about the summer blockbuster I do think that I do think dark knight rises is going to beat this I do real I do I think it's going to beat I think it'll do like 210 or 220 so I was had a theory that at least half of the box office for the dark knight was centered around the heath ledger phenomenon you think so yes because I think I'm i think so many people were seeing it in a way is a tribute are people who like movies with heath ledger that maybe didn't like batman movies okay am i wrong i don't know i know III i was prepared forgot about that yeah there was this um phenomenon but behind that like oh my god it was his last film yeah it was a good for you tribute viewing yeah um almost like a titanic tight but it was also an amazing film you know it was amazing like I don't give my respect to the people who wrote you know the Avengers right who's uh who wrote it Joss Whedon but the stories by zak penn helped write the story of thing to write to the image alright so i'll give them some credit for that you know what i mean but i do you think it's as good of a film I we don't know we haven't seen it but the thing about the Christopher no I mean those are really good movies they're recognized they're you know they're they're sort of on a different level yeah you know I mean that's that a Prometheus or the arrival of the films of the summer once we were like I gotta be in the theater with the right conditions sure maybe on my own big adventures like a group of people using my own yeah the Avengers you could have gone wasted in C right seen a projected on the back of a you wanna see good quality I'm sure we go back of a truck or sign but um the thing about the Avengers I find fascinating is will it inspire more and that's in the comics but more mashups like could you ever see like these things like Jurassic Park meets transformers you know I go take all of the blockbusters and throw them together at least adventure the event the Avengers is based on an actual group within the Marvel Universe yes so they need pre-exists they would they weren't like taking Batman and spider-man I guess they're there some mesh upper that exists too but I'm saying like they didn't just smash up two franchises that have nothing to do with each other right i mean it's true an alien and predator never really found that magic cocktail no they did that didn't work that dad was like oil and vinegar just did not mix those don't even people talk about this being the next alien movie prometheus but i love that nobody discusses alien vs predator yeah which technically are out there where we do with those is really just like on the back of the spice rack yeah I you know it's it's it's you know open them just uh we just found out over the weekend as well Prometheus will have an R rating which is due important yeah and I can't stress this enough I'd I wish the dark knight movies were rated R 2 they're not they're not they're pg-13 that feels messed up well if there's you know or that dark of politics of the NP double-a and you know yeah they sort of pick and choose when it comes to you know the violence and you know the box offices have ambitions about who they want the demographic to be and they sort of work with the NP double-a and is obviously just freaking rank and they do what they gotta do but yeah prob it's was just a Prometheus will be getting the r rating which i think is important uh yeah i think it's it's it's the whole that's the essence of the alien movies now you tell me that human centipede is technically pg-13 if like I'm not my mind blitz not technically no not at all no it's a complete soft PG but I'm just feeling like I imagine the technicality like well if you go by the letter yeah now that's a such a horrific film but I'm actually so excited about prometheus I really am that and dark knight rises I'm just really getting psyched for I don't arise I'm like a b-plus excited and the Prometheus I'm like through the roof upsettingly excited watch the trailers multiple times despite people saying not to I'm worried because the last film i got this excited about i I really do think was phantom menace what you were excited for phantom menace I was because do you remember the original trailer to the Phantom I do it was awesome it was but I come on it I looked like I mean it was gonna be little stars over you and Phantom Menace came out to the old enough that no bears ten jobs that's what I was finishing graduate school I was sweet you were so you in your mid 20s like for you and you were learned I learned a film goer you knew what the what the story was you knew how things work in the industry and you still let yourself fall victim but they hid so much about that movie they hit prep they hit the crap they hid the crap you saw production art and you saw those trailers were just amazing yeah I just don't want a jar jar cheering up and prometheus there's not going to be a jar jar please dude there was and was there one in Blade Runner no there wasn't Blade Runner which it's gonna be awesome great Primus gonna be i hope i really hope it's tough to get too excited about stuff you know and it also has the the opposite sort of you know ramifications like I remember getting it really really excited for inception and I was I was a little it down by inception I was too until the very end and who this is influenced by the audience with the spinning top and then every you got to it but it was also everybody start gasping in the audience for some reason oh and then the credits ran and then because of the gasping I thought oh that must mean even more than I thought yeah and then I kind of got excited but only then because the rest of the movie was did feel like a letdown it was a letdown hell too much like a matrix it was da trick yeah I was like it was too much action running through a hallway people with guns right yeah it should turn this corridor while they run around all right every dream world must feel like a UH action movie yeah that's that's the way I don't want to get in I don't want to get incepted ourselves into this whole thing prometheus uh has a little bit of avatar in it which I'm worried about yeah there's a there's a dash of it I'm worried that they'll be like a unobtanium oh jeez maybe that's what they're looking for I don't know I I trust Ridley Scott I really do he's got an amazing track record um you know I mean think it looked at this guy it's funny because it's like it's like Hannibal Black Hawk Down alien Blade Runner gladiator and then it's like oh yeah Thelma and Louise I forget oh oh yeah that was cool that he did that he's just he's like I'm just playing around doing it's awesome it's awesome he's he's a fantastic director I'm really really excited about it he speaking of avatar like you saw that the whole James Cameron there he's committed to avatari said in a recent interview he's planning on he shut down his development office just another random thing I remembered reading over the weekend cuz he's going to Neptune he wants to go to he was gonna be the first director to go to Neptune and come back so he's not developing scripts he's making avatar 2 3 possibly even for he said yeah that's okay why would they need to go back well what's gonna happen I know I I don't know is it just gonna stay on that world and it's gonna be exploring like the aquatic side will the next one just be the Navi and no humans like I know you're like the Navi deal with their own problems you know or maybe like the history yeah just going back to their natural history you know something like that or a prequel how did this happen how did this start i would say i would rather see a prequel than a sequel for avatar I kind of like to see an alien-type sequel where it takes place four hundred years later yeah after like the world has been totally destroyed in the after almost like the United States and the you know the history of like the Native Americans like they're gonna take that analogy yeah like imagine like what if the humans just one flat out it'd be cool in the end and alternate history right nut battle never mattered yeah so yeah again The Avengers beating deathly hallows part 2 by over 30 million dollars 200 point 3 Millions with the Avengers took in over the weekend so this me is gonna be a nice little weekend it wasn't a holiday weekend now it wasn't uh you know anything like that it just kicked ass by itself good for them and it's 640 1 million worldwide already that's nuts that's an industry already in for sure they got it now they're gonna make 16 of these well a top avatar will it become the highest grossing film resistors gonna be like a very I don't know about that it's all about the trail off kind of upsetting to see that well I guess depending on how you look at it there are three Batman films I'm sorry there are four Batman films on this list we're talking about weekend records from 1983 denounced basically 30 years wow you got Batman the first batman and batman returns them Batman Forever and then the dark night and uh you know I would be shocked to find that the Dark Knight not the dark knight rises to not be on here I think it will be I think it'll be on this little beyond this in just a few short weeks this blows me because I remember how big spider man's opening was and quarterly is 2002 that mega opening was 114 million yeah and what's really cool is the percentage jump so but so this little this little info graphic here talks about the two biggest gems one monetarily so that was Harry Potter to the Avengers and then the biggest percentage jump was uh it looked to be like the Last Crusade / Ghostbusters up to the first Batman if you could see that little bunny out on there which is before that it was 29 million dollars was a mind-blowing opening weekend yeah that's what's crazy when you look at the film from 1983 which is return of the jedi pulling in 23 in one weekend 23 million bucks yeah and then all the way up that's amazing to two hundred million dollars in a weekend in just 30 years I mean you got it was just for inflation and all that stuff but still that is a nutty amount of money all right let's move along just a little bit there's some rumors floating around in our own Scott Steiner can speak to all things laptops and all that good stuff a lot of rumors flying around that there might be a cheapo macbook air an eight-hundred-dollar MacBook Air is that a possibility for this year on cnet there is an article saying that a report is claiming such a thing the DigiTimes is saying that we might see an eight-hundred-dollar macbook air as early as the third quarter citing the usual sources from the upstream supply Jay it always a mixed bag there yeah this the site says that a more aggressively priced macbook air could crimp rival ultrabooks especially if Intel is unable to bring their average selling price down to its goal of seven hundred bucks hmm interesting do you think this could be a possibility I ask you mr. Scott Stein king of the impact book air well it's interesting that intel says that its goal is to bring those laptops down to six ninety-nine also i think that's ambitious ambitious but then a lot of these are showing up now with you know instead of getting flash SSD drives you're going to see a lot of those now having regular hard drive right or hybrid higher hard drives with a little bit of SSD cache sure those who care about that stuff but um that could bring down to 699 yeah I think that there you're always going to have that white macbook crowd right in the back to school that the cheapest apple laptop which usually was 999 right and as of this past year they made the shift to say that well your macbook air will be the entry level sure macbook and hey that 11 inches 999 which of course with 64 gigabytes of storage that's not really going to get done for any student heading to college course not so so that's going to have to change so that has to change and and you'd think that I would think that the if there is one that it might make sense to make a very specific type of a macbook air like machine maybe again go to plastic or maybe include a full regular hard drive Brian you go he'll I think a regular hard drive I don't you think they're done with that I would personally in the air I would think that but if they can't get the you know I could even fit a crisis can't go down below 999 yeah I would have a hard time believing that they would that apple would cut that low because that goes into the ipad territory right it does you're right and usually there there's with every product line there's always like a little leap a little like hundred four hundred dollars a little bit of premium you're paying right in to make the decision in your head to say oh maybe I spend up and go there yeah I think 999 might make sense but I don't know if you can get enough flash storage in there to make it really useful yeah do people go back to school care do they just want to plug in an external hard drive or live in the cloud do they say well one dates fine for me I don't you know what I don't I am NOT giving the the average student enough credit and I don't think they can handle the whole cloud thing I don't think they're yeah they're privy to it I don't think they're savvy enough I think it's a mess too I think a lot of cloud stuff we talked about it here you know dan and I talked about he says he's living in the cloud all the time and I'm not really living in the cloud all time I think it's broken him it's an illusion it doesn't work it's it's not it doesn't work it's um I wish I could come up with an analogy that that's sort of where we're at with it there's certain things that get pushed out prematurely and I think the whole cloud universe regardless of what you know medium you're using it for feel like the only one it sort of works with is music right now right somewhat reliably that I don't think we're there yet I just don't think we're there yet the problem with music is is really you have to use the cloud services rules for it in whatever way that means like iTunes Match I use and yes it'll sink back in a way with my devices but I can't really add music directly to the cloud yeah and then add it back to my devices are gonna itunes brokered yeah it's it's it's a pain that's when you think of a cloud you think of this well the way the way I envisioned it is this sort of you know external hard drive that is always connected as soon as I have an internet connection right and it's just not like that there's too much of a handshake there's too much red tape that that you know is that sort of damages the connection strange interfaces and rules and things that's not as drag and drop and also to frankly getting stuff on and off you know if you want to use for me it's photos and videos hmm I have to deal with that stuff and sure you get an external hard drive but it's nice to keep stuff like that on your computer right and my iphone 4s videos take up ridiculous amounts for sure for sure so suddenly it's like several hundred megabytes for this 22nd stupid video issue you know that's the problem is where do you store all that you can't dump it into the cloud you can't it takes forever to pull that stuff back all right again yeah I'm up I want to talk about this before we take the break and I want to get your honest opinion on someone like this yeah lately I've been starting to become disappointed with the performance of certain max I edge why I'm not impressed anymore I've had a couple max passed through my desk because I was waiting for a replacement as the right nose in the office because I keep a pilfering love machines from the lab I was using an i was using a year old imac with an i5 and maybe about four gigs of ram i would have two browsers open with like let's say seven to 10 tabs open in each one which is a heavy workload plus photoshop running in the background and spotify and a few things and this thing was chugging along it couldn't handle it is that a my demanding too much because i'm using a cosmo laptop for temporarily until i get my music my thing squared away and this thing handle handles it with no problem doesn't skip a beat it i got 10 tabs open in each one I've got multiple Photoshop files open and i'm editing and spotify is running and I could open up I can I could play portal 2 while it's all going on to what what's the deal with that why Mike's I mean I know I'm sort of like you know I'm trying to just ask like is there thing going on have you seen something recently in in in this sort of like trend with macbooks that there maybe they're not performing like the I don't I have like this weird machine i have here this thing's a monster but it also has 16 gigs ram did I mean yeah so is your father just a beast but I don't know I feel like what I'm asking this macbook to currently sort of run I don't think I'm asking a lot and it's a macbook retina so that was the AMA canned then I got an i7 macbook okay that the company gave me with four gigs are in and it's faster than the imac but it's still struggling when I have everything open like that it's still taken a few seconds for things to catch up um cosmo thing awesome handles it has four gigs of ram I think the cosmo might have more okay I'm it's probably all about ram it yeah maybe ram um but yeah that shouldn't I mean maybe went upgrade from four but the I don't know I mean I haven't seen that but i've been using i used a macbook air a lot recently and I like the pike the relative speed on that that's also you gotta consider the SSD dresses up yeah that's that's absolutely and it's a perceived it's also about like am I am i opening that many windows no right no way um not on there but um yeah I don't know that's uh I know that a couple my couple year old macbook is faring terribly really that it's old I mean it's more than a couple it's 2008 yeah I swapped out the ram on that and upgraded it but even so I mean it's really slow chat room says it's all about getting uh getting the ram upgrade the ram helps alarm helps and then the be master says stop using flash and java is that really does that handicapped oh SI OS 10 is that really LOM it says lying hot down with the flashing job it certainly doesn't help and it's probably it's you know apple doesn't make that stuff uh you know the they make you run to get it and yeah it's not built into the browser you really make you run send you on a wild-goose chase yeah there's nothing in their computer that really says we like flash nothing but yeah it could definitely um there's there that can that can come up any computer but on the mac side yeah my cuz im using like a chrome firefox sort of I read tandem sort of thing yeah it's not happy with that maybe I'll double the RAM I'll get some of the double the RAM from doubling the RAM is the best way to deal with that sluggish like any spinning wheel type weirdness then there you go jerem also says that doesn't he know that using utorrent takes up a lot of CPU that's not what I'm doing they've closed that port okay I found out the hard way exactly we'll take a break more with Scott Stein after this stick around a lot more 404 after the break this is the 404 Mr effers the show where we all sing songs we don't learn about what's coming is I think they're gonna redesign the line so yeah so so you think okay well so we'll come back we'll talk more we'll talk more about this yeah um so Scott Stein is saying that you think this could be a possibility yeah I think it's time that the line of macbook products needs to be rethought out first of all back there's a 13-inch macbook air and a 13-inch MacBook Pro doesn't make any sense to me all right I know people have argued back to me about this and said no you how can you raise you can't get rid of the pro and I'm like it doesn't even have dedicated graphics it has the performance wise from on our tests you know they were pretty much identical right the air in the pro last year and now with the Ivy Bridge trip updates yeah I mean I think all you need to do to me is pop in a hard drive on their make a hard drive option for those who care about more storage right and then you've got your air pro whatever you want to call it and then airpro I like that yeah like make it like a cooler new air with a new variety of lines macbook air max they gotta fix that 15 inch pro yeah I know just it feels to me now I don't think I think they're just gonna stop doing the pros altogether they got a slim it down and make it something else make that 15 inch I don't know it just needs to be cooler looking it to me it's no longer it used to be a cool looking it's heavy it feels bulky yeah um I mean it still matches the thickness of your average 15 inch that's slim but it's like why am i carrying this around right I that's I mean at work i decided i'm going to go air vs taking an option to go with approach because i'm gonna be traveling around ya know yeah i wish i wish i could have gotten in there for sure it just ended but i'm worried about this obviously worried about storage limitations but i think that that's the problem is how do you take that 15 inch pro and make it cool again people might want to hit me for saying that because there's a there's a lot of talking computers you know angriness about performance you know like it's not about being cool you idiots about performance right no it's it's about both like they kick they can retain that performance I would much rather I mean when you say and make it more stylish when you say that when you talk about the aesthetics of it I think I would much rather sacrifice the aesthetics but are you talking about wait does that fall into that is that's what i mean by k I mean I mean the sense of like you say you want to carry it around you want to join I don't really care about me materials right or what it actually physically looks like no and they're not gonna go too nuts with that there I think it's me pretty clean but I think that um yeah I just think it's due for design overhaul that those MacBook Pros have not changed in there are in almost five years yes since 2008 yeah since 2008 film at four years and foremost for years um that's a long time that's when I got mine that's when I got my the current macbook pro i have now i gotta wait yeah you wouldn tell the difference if you left them out for someone to look at Barrett for sure unless you went to like about this Mac right and so you just think like I just think how is it not do you look at what Mac about imax were for 2008 yeah game day yeah you just be stunned and and I think it just can't it can't go on another year yeah without changing things and without keeping up because also in the window side there's a lot of change in laptops people are making all sorts of thin interesting laptops that may not be exactly what you're looking for but they're trying for sure and you can't just sit back on that unibody design forever right maybe that's it for a decade right we're now they're definitely do I think I think we can all agree with that speaking of Apple um did they you think they settled for for what the ipad 3 became is an interesting article up on cnet talking about how it is possible that the original plan for the ipad 3 was to include something called IGZO technology which is a display technology uh they talked to Raymond Sony era who's the founder and president CEO of display may technologies he says that the plan was to use this new technology called igzo from sharp a lot higher electron mobility that allows them to make the transistors a lot smaller and the circuit elements a lot smaller as well basically what that means is smaller transistors smaller elements would allow more light through and reduce the number of backlights needed thus resulting in a thinner overall display assembly that was possibly what Apple was trying to do and perhaps they had to settle for what we now know the third iPad to be that's I don't know i mean i guess it's believable it's believable it's actually more believable than i thought based on when i heard the story coming out i thought oh what's wouldn't mean said well maybe what's good what's the story because you hear this every year with features that are dropped on the ipad right and or that we hoped would be there we don't know that they were dropped we say like we want this this and this and Apple usually tends to introduce just one of them will show of them sure and we're left hoping again for the following year um that's interesting as far as I tech reminds me of what ty had said ty pendlebury on the TV side that I remember when this before this came out he and David Katz my were wondering seriously whether it could happen because of power and thinking about exactly at the power to push those pixels on display technology they knew require more light we require more battery and that turned out to be exactly true I mean this seems perfect for a great way to come back the following year and say hey retina display even thinner more battery life right I mean it seems to me like why not wait a year because if you solve that problem right off the bat that's a great that's a great new fix right on the next one so you just have a huge check mark right there yeah I mean because the battery life on this I enjoy the I did get the ipad 3 3rd gen ipad what everyone call it i like it but um for the first time i feel like i need to keep an eye on that battery yeah that battery end of the day i plug i plug it in to charge are you saying it goes too quick it does i could spend a few hours doing something videos or more games and i can see the battery drop significantly let's say from like seventy percent of fifty percent and they do claim it's the same battery it's the same battery performance don't they it claims the same battery performance but you know they claimed the same battery performance i believe in the last gen and there's always flux like yeah i mean the ipad 2 is actually significantly better than the ipad 3 and a lot of tests they've shown a video playback even weirder there have you seen these reports that like the new chip construct chipset constructively called the ipad 2 comma 4 yeah in these new iPads are actually performing significantly better on battery life than the last iPad tues mmm you have to like somehow they don't list this be like mir ein the 2 comma for a you no indication but that they tried video playback and gaming actually maybe a couple of hours better performance in some instances well like a significant like a some were in that right to look up the amount but it was like in a greater than fifteen percent which is significant oh absolutely and that's something so again the numbers are not always completely stable now I mean this iPad does not perform as well battery life wise that's absolutely true I've the iPad I've noticed that and I've noticed that my emerging it is amazing it's so much longer it takes it fully charged up yeah you have to leave it for almost overnight like an overnight yeah um the the guy they interviewed mr. so narrow goes on and says there's no question that the ipad 3 was a plan B they pushed amorphous silicon to a higher pixel per inch than anybody else but the light throughput is not good so it has roughly twice as many LEDs and they had to therefore get a seventy percent larger battery this is seventy percent large battery in the ipad 3 over that go to yeah well that's right astonishing crazy that's what's astonishing that the battery life feels in a lot of instances like maybe a little less impressive being about how much energy that everything is using yeah they really just sort of Franken's finally mash this thing together didn't they oh they did I thought I still find it really hard i'm not being an annual gret buying an ipad 3 no because i think that the one thing I always felt annoyed by in the last year with the ipad was the quality of the resolution for text agree because just this one of main things you're doing on right video green the screens the thing you're looking at the nose and I'm the meeting headlines and news and magazines and things like that so I think you know what's actually more tangible difference than the ipad 2 which was more of a cosmetic upgrade i don't i never really use the video cameras or the amorous period but I don't for gaming and video I never noticed it yeah i mean the rare game i notice sir i'd say only a handful of games really really show a difference right the text and and comics yeah comic the comic i would that the comics are fantastic and um this is much less exciting thing comes i was like and the pdfs are amazing ADF's man watch out now you know if you are using for pdfs like i have to say it is great because i used to have scans that i would put on there and you have texts all too small it would come out looking a little weird now you can look at everything and it's fine exactly the way it looks great before we have to say goodbye i do want to get into a little bit of e3 2012 chat you and I will both be out there again braving the los angeles convention center braving that freaking highway and those stupid oh there's so much driving for no reason how are we going to do it regardless of that we'll get there we'll figure that i will try to get a good plane flight and hope that the Devils will be joining you there that would be something else I appreciate you bringing that up it's very possible if the devil was that because you make it to the finals if that's a big if they got to get through this round the next round if they somehow make it to the finals and la does the same the devils and kings could be playing for the Stanley Cup whilst we are in attendance at e3 2012 now my family our Rangers fans so if they heard me say that I don't really have a stake in hockey no they would kill judges really saying old Jets bet you're saying hope the Rangers follow us out well that's not what you want to say to me I don't want it and I don't mind either way which my law would hate this unfortunate I'm sorry to say that so I you know I would like to see you happy and that the devil's well thank you appreciate that could you imagine I would not get any work done as all I'm saying I'd have to it's right there I mean right there the staple center that the freakin note the Nintendo thing is in it right it just go right like the neck into the game I lied only want to think about that possibility either way III 2012 right around the corner will be there in a month um you know I just don't see the hype that there was last year sort of you know it's stumbling into this one you know very quiet very quiet I think software will be will rule again I think besides the wii u you're not going to see much in terms of hardware unless xbox on the sony and or microsoft pull something pull a rabbit out of a hat right which I kind of hope they do just because I love seeing I love reacting to something new like with the wii u that was so much fun telling everyone that this thing is that cool you know I was a lot of fun for me yeah and like you get a chance to be at a lot of people were curious about that they were very curious about the Vita and from as passers-by to say like um you know what is that thing all right it was interesting is it transformed from you know the Vita's interesting device but i would say a lot of people became more casual observers of the tech as opposed to really drooling for saying like oh there's a new concert i heard about right they have to I gly says every year and I've been wrong but when are they have to t some new next-gen but do they I think but do they they both come to heaven or Microsoft and Microsoft come out and said you're not showing any new hardware in 2012 83 but as the video game industry i feel kind of is juju economically feels it gets dribbling and dribbling it's a it's excitement and and the prophets and I I think it's such a dangerous game each year to be like we're good is there like Nintendo like oh we're all those years that Nintendo easy i was like we're okay the wii's fine yeah the wii's find the dss fine selling great what's the problem yeah and that could be too late and then something you're showing the wii u and it's hard to get everyone back into being excited i think if they wait too many years yeah you wait another two or three running away three years and be like here's the next-gen Xbox and I don't know for sure that they wouldn't lose interest that there might be about mine in the industry I don't think though it might interest I know I don't think I'm reversal interest I don't know think about the casual gamer and how the second they hear about it console they just drop what they're doing and start going nuts right but don't you think I I I think yeah I'm still not giving you that I'm not i don't think the ipad is is really that big of a threat to the console not to the console and I'm I'm again I'm not defending it as game playing the device because I think it is a mess I cover the gate on it there's only there's a one or two games I like playing on an ipad did you play max payne playing spin did you like it i like the fact that it works it works by not going to yeah you're not owing to God is full but if you buy painful it is its max painful but you know I thought it was successful for the fact that it could work but I I do think that there enough people look how many people out there be honest bought a wii because they just wanted to play wii sports right then why something fun they want to do bowling in their house that those customers who were considerable number now think oh I can just download my play my Angry Bird temple run you know you're not got a fun I got a fun quick thing that's all I cared about I wasn't a gamer right so I'm just worried about that that amount of people who buy consoles who frankly don't use them much but do it for a novelty because they can play a little bit of games I hear your games I think that part of the audience a lot of gamers at sable good riddance you know what those guys were just buying that console to play one until the game but that's a big part of a I just think it's a part of the customer base to be don't you think Scott that the Nintendo is now like you're on your own you're in your own thing now you're not I'll put the big boys anymore you're not with Microsoft you're not with Sony you have invented your own freakish category whatever the hell it is that you guys yeah yeah and you're sort of on your own and now you you've somehow made it that now you have 19 competitors instead of 20 they're definitely in a in a weird middle zone you know and and look this is the you made this bed you must now lie in it again murga Tory it is it's limbo it's it's like what you know what are you they've lost their identity as far as I'm concerned they really have well I mean it's so peripheral based in that and that tablet just hangs over the entire system the ps3 and 360 the best thing they've had going is that the systems are so similar if they were going to coexist in a comfortable zone and say this is gaming right there's an ebb and flow they both have their their own list of exclusives that are worth it but all the big games like your BioShock Infinite all type of stuff they all get made for those platforms right and easily and it's all part of that that's what game they're both content with what they're sort of doing right we intend Oh has always been like well we you can't even make it for us because our controls are all different right we got multiple screens right or tablet or the not same graphics this might get a little too techy but you brought up BioShock Infinite and at the sony press conference last year you and I SAT there and we watched ken Levine come out and say that bioshock infinite for ps3 would have moved support okay and everyone sort of rolled their eyes that's right they're all like my memory why what are you doing Ken you're the Martin Scorsese of video games and you're going to freak and tell me that you're putting in just the right do you think it'll it'll stay in there do you think because think about what's happened in a year with move it's gone from like oh yeah hmm like lukewarm meh to just as far as I'm concerned a disaster to playstation eye to the other thing that goes in the drawer to that another thing that has dust on it and is just will find itself in some obscure electronic museum 30 years in that donkey konga drums exactly right they think they're still I mean you might even have some sort of contract that they can't get out of that must be like look we you said you're going to do this you're going to do this I think it will have move support you I think it'll be headlined no but I think it'll I think it will fulfill I see him it's an obligation he's good on his word yeah course I think but you know it seems as opposed to connect which is speaking of making things work with peripherals yeah I find that too works with Kinect is a is a anyway yes opinion it's an Indian yeah um I think it's seems pretty easy to make a game work with the move because it's more like a controller so I think they can kind of do that and move on yeah it'll be like it worse at the person yeah it's all by the way it'll say that on the back from whisper chat it's works with no but don't worry about it a back page of the inspiration not even structure males and games anymore they've all disappeared so mrs. say it's somewhere as a footnote as the oldest and longest footnote um so yeah that's that's pretty much I think the games were excited about we're excited about our tomb Raider's abajo shocks are like the same as lateral it's like right the big yeah I'm a little concerned about the about the big games it makes me think that a lot of every are there are new things but I feel like maybe we're due for a lot more new stuff nounced a lot more new ip's i do i hope i don't want to see more sequels i know there's going to be halo 4 stuff and you just know you just know that there if they really start with a halo 4 or a block a black ops 2 trailer gameplay I just don't care if their event is like 20 minutes of halo for like 20 minutes of mr. black hall duty yes just are booing how about and then support for two new cable providers meme so obscure services thank you very much right you know it's just come up with something new you know that's why I think new new hardware at some point I get I just get concern about what else Nintendo at least the one exciting thing if you if you like Nintendo is that so we've got to see well not just the actual launch announcement for work and I've actual everything yeah what are the games right we haven't seen any of that so I imagine X number of games right you would imagine hopefully an ambitious number including third-party how the heck those are going to work I'm owes a lot of stuff to watch their I guess for sure I'm most anxious and excited to to sit down at their press conference and nintendo's press conference yeah cuz it's just like all right how you gonna spin this how you gonna make it act like your shareholders and everyone who owns a little slice of the pie should not jump out a window I think they're going to be the same confident calm demeanor they've always had of course and they're gonna look at and then it'll bring me a rather moto miam we'll just smile and do a little thing and everyone will love him because he said he's an adorable genius yeah it means he there so lucky to have him and he's amazing yeah it'll be interesting I I don't want anyone to take away from this discussion that we put one company in a more negative light we sort of have the same with never about look at all three of them are all sort of in the same bucket right now so it'll be interesting to see I hope Miyamoto makes I know this my final no comment I like that he's been moved off of some of those big titles yeah and I would love if he makes he's got such an amazing imagination he make some money and put them in a room with a lab workers right like small indie games for nintendo wii the best thing ever I think he just needs to be as weird and interesting as possible and no one you she can't be married and what bad could come of that surely it's grown for sure except uh we music anyway we gotta go a big thanks to Scotts time for coming on today's show and helping out with the program Justin you will be back you can follow Scott on twitter at jet Scott I make sure you do that will link to that in the show notes today if you have a discussion that you want to bring up about today's show 866 44 cnet is a number to call or you can email us the 404 at cnet com Justin's back tomorrow unfortunately and we'll have a great rest of the week of shows thanks for tuning in guys see you 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