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two all right it's Friday May twenty-fifth 2012 thanks for tuning in to the 404 show on CNN TV I'm Jeff baggala and I'm Justin you this is the show where we're in too deep yes we're up to our necks in it area and to help us dig out is the one the only formally stupid not so much anymore mr. Andy how are you dude I'm great how you doing hahahaha the most disingenuous response yeah I'm a lot better now that you're in a hurry for what a chicken cutlet hoagie this guy would is hoagie talk what's wrong with that no one says hoagie up in the Northeast what did the Pennsylvania thing to say hoagie you say sub our hero up here yeah they don't keep debin eating anything yeah but I believe it up a DVD boo boo no that's true it's like a regional dialect sort of situations i stoop is like it's like soda and pop you know we call it in California what a grinder a grinder and which way they call it grinders they call it disgusting because they put sprouts on it no do they oh he's in grinders hoagies and glue a meatloaf sandwich it's lab at all you know like its wing a sub it's like a submarine or a hero that sounds stupid to me a hoagie is appropriate hoagie did they invent that in Philadelphia no they did not where did they invent I don't know what's your favorite kind of tricky yeah what's your trail mix let's trail mix is a big topic conversation on the show Wow excuse me I hate romo do you really yeah it's just so stupid because we spent so much time talking about it the other day it was ridiculous and inside where did they come up with the name trail mixes because you you eat it while you're hiking yeah let's eat some trail mix how about lets you like any wood this is not now it's really good let's eat a cheeseburger I mean why do I need to eat cuz its mobile its own food no everything's mobile unless I have like a pretty murky it's not mobile you know these mobile these days is really noble you put it in a you put it in a piece of paper yeah and you stick it in your pocket delish yes you're havin a good hard said would have making everything mobile three quarters I'm real hungry right now i'll talk about food all freakin day we were in 2d we were not lying our show tell implies such a thing because uh man oh man we can't get out of this food hole right now yeah yeah you're hungry I'm hungry what do you want I thinks I'm kind of in the mood for a cheeseburger too yeah um perhaps a cheese but like a cheese steak was watching that video which video the video where you you did an imitation of me oh right back up and oh yeah we should we do our hands on YouTube it's no I think you put on facebook oh that's right remember that it was in his office I did a good impression of an dia it's like I would like a cheesesteak turn on apple pie this is it which is just silly no one we need that maybe a cheesesteak rat like with a pizza wrapped around it now I would do that would be tasty and it's actually a dish at a number of the establishment the apple pie isn't that's just gross it's just silly Jeff it is silly it is silly we're off to a silly start because today's the first day before a long weekend yeah there's no one here we're literally the only four people in the office everyone else has gone home early yeah I think they've locked doors and we're in for the night doc all right and there's no food except for trail mix none of any machine do you have plans I mean we're talking about food here you go to any bbqs for memorial day um a couple things hanging out in the city yeah stay in town yeah this is like the first weekend where you can really stretch out your legs and have that barbecue you know unfortunately it's Memorial Day is really for uh you know out-of-towners well no I'm selling like what it would it represents Oh what does it represent you don't know how to represent I know it represents tell us labor day it is not labor day laborer day's labor day yeah it's it represents the memorialization of the soldier moralizing right so you know we sort of take that time to get fat and eat you know hamburger and stuff like that right it is like that sort of summer starting point you know what I do every Memorial Day show watched YouTube videos of soldiers coming home to their pets nice have you ever seen those videos before I dog they are breaking yeah just losing their minds so adorable I mean that or like a lot of fathers will come home and like surprise their kids in class and stuff and be like a heartfelt embrace yeah man if you want to get cheesy I don't like and you know don't get me wrong obviously any time a soldier comes home and sees their daughter or son and they're like oh my god i don't like when they surprise them i don't think that's feels like i would freak out and i would just be like to emotion that's the only they're like they're like oh dad's not gonna come back for another three weeks just kidding here isn't like you put that's a lot of trauma to put through like a look at it yeah I agree you don't even the kids like oh well you know what they actually do go away to war or something they're gonna be like come on he's gonna be like no around the corner isn't it yeah you're playing with their emotions I think that they should make a montage of the the soldier coming home to either kids or dog videos oh there is yeah there's plenty of women but the music should be the the Rudy soundtrack because that makes anything emotion you know it's like for sure Dan tan-tan tan tan-tan tan tan-tan tan tan-tan tan tan-tan tan tan-tan tan tan-tan you that for 10 more minutes I don't even I can't even yeah I don't even know D&D hello dad dad dad Dan tan tan tan tan tan tan come on you know the song no I can't draw from memory yeah you can't kid you know the song yeah he got it it's not that bad don't placate him Richard you have no idea yeah seriously don't care attendant attendant Rui Rui Rui you didn't I could do that oh that's all the dead Dante oh that's done the other one no that's not right I'm done species you don't know this are just because Richard comes in out of nowhere he knows it is exactly it's the super emotional super soundtrack I'll let everybody knew that song I mean I know though I know I remember the film I don't remember the score remember this no but you remember that one that's like like Dumb and Dumber that's the ultimate whether you're the most of no exam no but I'm serious like he comes in Meade no yes he's like firm harmonizing explain the trauma wore that one anyway that was amazing alright that's one of those moments right there ilysm it was a special moment that needs to be memorialized I think so ever well said Mr Andy um let's switch into a different gear shall we please my god please uh couple stories want to get to in a run-down today there's a lot of interesting stuff happening sure uh I wanna hear about this Deadspin article arm that uh basically explains how you can avoid being busted by the Facebook cops of college sports yeah so deadspin's had a couple really interesting articles lately and uh you know me I'm not a sports fan right I'm surprised you were reading Deadspin cuz Deadspin is basically like a tabloid sports blog sort of thing yeah yeah no I never go to this but it's been linked out to a lot of other uh news blogs and basically they've been talking about uh schools monitoring their athletes for illicit behavior so they broke this article last week about this company called varsity monitor right and that's an external company that colleges pay to um basically check up on athletes and warn them on how they can affect may be negatively affect colleges personal brands come smart for their activity outside of the field right so if they're partying a lot or using expletives on social networks and that can reflect badly on the college and schools will pay companies like this uh up to like ten thousand dollars per app a year to watch these guys it's almost like PR it's almost like PR damage control right for for college athletes right what I understand is how come these colleges don't I mean these colleges make millions and millions and millions of dollars off these athletes in but then they have to outsource this sort of like damage control thing well why is that not internal it's because these companies basically have one app that these uh that the schools require the athletes to install on their phones that gives them access to all their social networks whereas if the college is it they would need passwords to each of like Instagram etc still not a good excuse which is still crazy though because in their contract all these athletes are acquired by the school's to install the app so there's neckl know their monitor isn't that crazy it's crazy that n-c-a-a sleet's don't get paid I'd I agree with you on that but that's another that's an Edsel other conversation entirely that's another conversation for another day yes but uh but yeah it's it's kind of nuts yeah what's even more nuts is that here check out the screen and you can view the whole document here but um basically there's certain key words that the app uses to identify questionable behavior yeah so trigger words are categorized from a scale from 1 to 3 and words are associated to this number so for example the word bitch is a level one low risk we gotta level one low risk red flag but still raises questions the the most all three are the worst so I'm gonna use this quote Negro is a level three word okay and all as was the n-word obviously okay I think really yeah yeah yeah and there's different categories or there's racial uh so crackers one a gook is to grows three okay and then there's also alcoholic categories visually that that can maybe identify like a crazy party where someone's talking about it on Facebook page well I was gonna say most college athletes are under 21 right but are they I don't know sometimes it depends fifty percent fifty percent yeah it's weird because those drinks are also categorized what one two three scale so like bombay sapphire is pretty harmless at a level 1 z mzima 0 not even on this team is a 10 because they're concerned about any car yeah that are actually gonna perform well for that actually drink see exactly am I Thailand road not on the list you're off the team user mode goodbye what do you think is that number two it's a drinks it's a beard on Budweiser exactly really bud light at number walkies best walkies battery pop not on the list but probably all these bestest super popular beer monks college people may because I had cheap it is that that's one of the reasons that's what about natty light natty natty as well known at eli know what is its natural light is when a dance for non that like a 35 like a dollar seventy what about that that bitter beer face beer i like that beer you know like bitter beer face that commercial with the guy and yeah I don't know it's beer they're disgusting Busch beer baby push push push possibly okay I don't know what do you guys think a level three alarming alcohol would be so you're really nervous about Jack Daniels not on the lucky Allah number three tequilas ID number three yeah also on there is Colt 45 so all the malt liquors oh alright we were three cuz apparently just do crazy shit you take malt liquor also four lokos on there too four loko should be a category 10 yeah yeah for local you're just immediately halt the common else should be on their freakin redbull yeah and daggers on our llega zygier's to go taste when the Jayco three Jager Jaeger is probably the most dangerous cordial it's not exist yeah Jaeger is bad deer blood man it's bet it's not deer blood yes its nickname deer blood is but that's it's clearly not deer with an old wives tale it's clear they're clearly not bottling deer blood no but it's I mean it's not dear but human blood but it's like haha you don't believe me it's not human blood distill it let's see without you it's a B+ a negative o- it appends on the fermentation period the season it's bottled all your crazy sexual categories really weird to so again later keywords here that lightly cause college behavior is about their athletes behavior of so for that at the number one category um bj okay so bj is pretty harmless right now co j HJ those are both on the list at one I was a DJ HJ should be one is a flag on Twitter ok yeah he should be to you think no I don't think so because what if it's like there's lots of got a nickname bj what's up BJ let's hang go get grab a burger chicken cutlet sandwich yeah let's go do something like that it's a bj let's go get a cutlet sandwich on facebook that happens yeah and then you're crazy yeah else number two the work this is what it tapped debt so literally wit dat yes in the phrase tap debt is number two never tastes worse than talking actually about some ways and at the name of the riot on sure the tap that app tap that that would be a level three it's not it's that easy yeah yeah not if it was tap that app that's too that's a mouth right number three is the weirdest though tread lightly no it's not bad the word gay is a number real re alarm yeah really on the four varsity monitor this is mind blowing that they have all that they've somehow categorized I want to know the methodology yeah I want to know the the you know the method behind the madness yeah yeah yeah it's very bizarre yeah that's interesting story that is an interesting story is very mutual when we get back we'll talk about something that is really making headlines today and we've talked about something about it in our past basically about why society is failing young men and we have a good example of that right here hopefully he can speak to such a thing right after this stick around a lot more 404 on the other side of this break this is the 404 mr f'ers the show where we all sing song welcome back to the 404 hope you enjoyed your break as did we we got a three-day weekend coming up I'm super excited as you should be ah no show on Monday celebrating Memorial Day which is Justin mentioned celebrating Labor Day right that's right and uh-oh Memorial Day the day we're all together and do labor and then okay so so check it out so four episodes next week and then I'm going to e3 a week from Sunday vacation from haven't really figured out what's going to happen while I'm gone but we will before then in but we will and we figure it out a week from today sure and let you know what we from today okay cool so that's that uh interesting topic that's made headlines today and yesterday i was watching CNN before i left the house this morning and they had an author on who is basically claiming that society the internet and what have you easily accessible pornography and other undesirables according to sermon professionals quote on quote professionals and this is actually the woman right here Nikita Duncan doctor Nikita Duncan enough she's a doctor huh um she's a doctor oh no it says it says dr. Philip Zimbardo and Nikita Duncan so I think it's Nikita's not a doctor Tetris anyway she was on CNN this morning talking about how film TV internet pornos basically removing the natural sort of evolution of a child's a male child's life right and you know eliminating the experiences that maybe possibly every young man should have growing up and saying that the access to these sorts of stimuli are curbing the way children interact with other people right so mr. Andy yeah you spend a lot of time alone you navigate through some of the worst places on the internet on daily basis the ghetto of the infinitive you will I mean no but seriously what do you think about this claim because I immediately took offense to it because number one I I feel like I don't know we we grew up were all relatively the same age we grew up in a time where the internet wasn't as pervasive as it is now right maybe it became like more on our mid teens is when the internet for me was like really really starting to kick up and get going so I guess you know that this Nikita woman on CNN said the average child is exposed to porn at the age of 11 now which I thought was awesome I don't I think like to put it bluntly it's all crap I agree I don't know where you can position orders I think it's crap it's sensational they pick like a handful of movies like art imitates life life and imitates art sure it's like a vicious circle but I you know you're gonna say three slackers from you know some movies video games and porn and there's a huge promise with men in society they had the the playboys and behind this again in the 50s they did you know it's arguably easier to get your hands on a playboy than it is to go right when when when I was that age getting your hands on some like that wasn't tough I mean yeah I guess it will it's tougher than getting online but what what is the what is the statement access to pornography earlier just I mean that's what is it's basically saying that the way human beings have have developed in society for the last hundred years or whatever but the articles talking about in relationship to mend though yeah just like yes saying that like men don't have a positive role model in bridge but it's it's a bunch of things that they're saying that it's the lack of American fathers raising their own kids uh they're saying it's video games distracting boys from learning how to be a positive male figure and then also it's uh the internet taking a distractions away from school work the average teenage guy plays about 13 hours of games a week that's 676 hours a year or if you want to just call it the entire month of februari right I don't uh I'd we pick februari with leap year without leap year go after yourself I just think that um no it's with I just think that uh you know thank you you're welcome i don't think you know i don't think that could that could be replaced with anything he could've been pledged comic books replace with listen it's a diversion record we have more things to occupy us and cause right procrastinate correct sir yet say to me that that that's the reason kids aren't growing up to be men yeah you know i buy much more the the the American father the American parents I mean there's there's probably you know bad dads and good dads but mm-hmm I don't buy the fact that but popular culture internet porn our movie I mean it right I agree I don't think your games are having a dramatic effect on it I would the whole popular culture is not but you kind of see it right do you not with what's popular now and the way people act I think what different specific just the whole Jersey Shore phenomenon like how that affects people and what people think is good in bed yeah and the way they treat each other to an extent but I think the vast majority of people see it as a parody and they're not going to be like these are my role modeling pleasant lately but that it's always been like that people were always their role models its blown to a little bit of a greater extreme because it's on television but I know came in for the accessibility the internet is kind of interesting because no one ever talks about how easy it is to do something positive with the Internet exactly things like like Khan Academy for example that basically has video tutorials on how to do everything there's like Codecademy if you want to teach yourself programming if you have that positive influence in your life you could do anything on the Yankee you can start a Kickstarter if you have a great idea or put your thoughts down on a tumblr there's no so much on the internet good point MIT an open open courseware an MIT on your tip of education right literally has every single you course lecture every available if you're gonna let a kid go in there and do whatever he wants he's gonna look up porn of quarantine he's gonna play video games all day long that's what I'm saying though in VA make sure but you know why these on the internet we are progressive wait so you you all of us can remember yeah that time when it was basically like okay here it is yeah the Internet's yours all the glory days like that that original moment in a specific moment but when you had a decent connection feeling and you were like here's the Internet any music what are you gonna do right was the first thing it was like hi narrators erotic like how can I blow up a building know it was like you know well but this is I think there's another point here too it's it's you know America is much more conservative than Europe in terms of sexuality right it's that you know obviously increased globalization with the ability to share you know ideas content with your it's just a different thing there and I don't think that uh you know their opinion sexuality negatively even in when children exposed to it relatively is it is a bad thing it's a natural thing so why would that specifically you create problems in terms of the development of male-specific right now I think a lot I think they're more worried about social interactivity like that's become that too that's the focus at least for the interview i watch this morning was that was the the negative influence I don't like the movie but the subject to their like why are we obsessing over people in knocked up and hall passes what so 20 years ago when we were obsessing over people in what stripes and you know movies like that you know i mean like it's the same sort of thing they put like four movies and i don't think anybody's like oh knocked up i want to be that guy that wants to be unemployed Seth Rogen yeah right who knocked somebody up with no money no one wants to be that it's a freaking comedy like people are you know animals decades ago to not everybody joined a frat and Dragomir every single thank you Animal House there's countless example although they are sort of you would maybe want to have that yeah as a young when I saw that as like a 14 year old I was like that it's kind of cool you know the article that we're talking about here makes kind of good point about video games an hour to play devil's advocate all you've done that no I know but they're talking about how video games may be tied to attention deficit disorder and it also cites this uh research at Iowa State University they're saying that um let's see uh eighty-five percent of all stimulant medications are prescribed to American boys not girls so my question to you is do you think that this is that video games are inhibiting the ability for American boys concentrate on the schoolwork because they're so distracted all the time huh y absurd season it's not video games like oh I don't know video games are the most stimulating for me you could do we've talked about that before like you have to immerse yourself in the game and that's the point is kind of like remove your side everyday life I feel like yeah I can't you know anyone who never plays games it's tough for you to specify I'm asking you I think I think they're super engaging um I just also think that if you watch a baby hmm if you watch a three year old who's watching TV you are not getting their attention either right okay but don't you think that kid's gonna be so bored when he picks up a book at school because he's like oh man I can't control anything in here nothing is blasting at me right now I don't know I don't make it so bad i think that video game would would you know potentially you know help somebody's concentration I think they do right hand I aging I think it helps your concentration when they're playing video games but I I that skill is it just doesn't hold over have some type of foam mat but but if there if if you're saying that video games distract people yeah right bull when they're playing video games what else should they be doing you know I'm saying not while they're actually playing like when they stop playing it comes time to do some that's far less stimulating they're not able to focus as much because that was those video game by that really hyped it up for and by that no nobody likes to do math except for like three people like it was the same now as it's been like 50 years ago yeah now we're just like oh the reason they don't like to do math right because video games you know people love to do math back and day yeah no I was today the alternative to video games weren't video game like you know I mean like the alternative to books weren't video games why do they were when when you talking they're like going outside like even when we were kids no yeah there are video game there were arcade yeah and we went to the arcade and you can get it as easily you had to have someone drive you to your right because that money still wanted to do now that it's alcohol money so much more exciting if you make the argument that potentially you know obesity kids are fatter because they're staying in the play video games instead of yet going outside abide by that but I know I don't buy the the concentration because I think anytime you have something interactive the benefits far outweigh the negatives I also somebody in front of a TV then you know which has been around much longer sure I think that that could potentially harm someone's ability to focus chattering up a lot of good points uh Nick Jay jack says they're just trying to turn video games into a scapegoat I think video games are not and will not be the last scapegoat it was rock and roll it was the telephone it was everything I'm not saying it's just video games are you helping yeah well that's why you know what the only thing I think video games are doing and and and this sort of leads into what you were saying is that it doesn't make it makes everything else pale in comparison that's what I'm saying should schools need to compete with the engagement that a video game provides for a child no but at the same time I would learn a lot better in high school if they made all my math classes deal with hockey stats yeah I mean so I feel like yeah maybe you know you gotta play a little you know give and take a little bit and figure out a way to engage people outside of of their home because yeah when I was young when I was in high school right I want to play games because we really are boring books were boring even when there was no alternate or not though they're not because if when you're in high school and you read The Odyssey mm-hmm that stuff is awesome that's really cool and someone who's super into fantasy and games like they'll dig that yeah so there's ways to do that you know what I mean it's all about engaging people and school has gotten this BS gotten is such a big reputation it's god that's got to change I think it just doesn't evolve it hasn't really evolved that's key because I think that you know like thatI today relate to things differently because they're sort of born in this world where you know they are born with the internet have access to multiple forms of technology so you know relate to them in that level in terms of what you're teaching them relate to the way that's that they take in information um whether it's in terms of interests like you mentioned hockey or just you know mediums you know more computers more via games on those line my dog in the chatham says hey reading can make your eyes go bad too don't forget about that good points to it also makes you super tired so we're telling all the parents listen to the show is use the four hundred dollars you would spend to buy an xbox for your kid and donate that to the school's technology program right because then that will that will make them more engaged yeah they're not gonna hurt and it will be at home they're taking out all these extracurricular activities using anyone would ever do that I don't know it's not my problem right now your parents your parents we don't have kids that's a world burn schools go down in flames is what we have to say yeah the point is that there's never just one thing to scapegoat the TV it's not video games for sure lesson learned for what that's gonna do it for us 866 40 for CNN is number to call big thanks to Andy for being on the show any time fellas Andrew always launch get some lunch get some hoagies and grinders okay both both on the same plate with a pizza get some vegetables give us a call or email us over the holiday weekend the 404 at cnet com enough with the pep growth you know we've gone a lot but thank you for that really appreciate that so again no show on Monday we'll be back live on Tuesday with a brand new show and then after that it's III probably do some III preview stuff next week we will bring in the fresh stick to talk about what we can expect from the most under hyped III in decades it's like nobody wants to go to this thing myself maybe included oh no theres in and out over there there is in and out and if the devil's make the finals i'll be out there for four games three and four so maybe this video can spell sigh hope that happens we'll see thanks again for tuning in guys we will see you tomorrow I'm Jeff Bakalar payment and I'm Justin you it's the 404 high-tech lowbrow thanks again to Andy we'll see you