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it is Tuesday jun 12 2012 thanks for tuning in to the 404 show on Sina TV I'm Jeff Bakalar and I am Justin you what is the show where we're broadcasting in a Retina display yeah you wrote retina d retina d just sounds better it does ret d what does retina display mean I think if you polled 200 people maybe one or two would actually give you a proper definition of how retina displays it doesn't really mean anything it's it's an invented phrase right Apple yeah we were talking about this the other day over at Russ fresh success sure how like new processors and uh all the marketing jargon that goes along with sick right they're just selling a whirling like a word they made up right um obviously we're alluding to the announcement made yesterday at apple's WWDC conference isn't worldwide developers conference yeah out in California talking about the new macbook pros right which all the one-percenters are jumping on no I'm joking it's a lot of freakin money let's get let's cut right down to it twenty-two hundred dollars for the entry-level macbook pro it's got a Retina display which means it's got a badass uh resolution yeah the screen that no one really needed but no one really needed now I feel like retina display makes sense for the ipad right do you think it makes sense for a laptop i think if you look at like what this macbook is supposed to be for the demographic you notice me for like hardcore video editors I'd uh you know talk about the minimum price but the max is 3750 that's the best model you can get with like that 2.7 quad-core i yes as it which i don't think that most people need that much power in a laptop right like you have any people don't need solid state drives unless you're constantly turning on and off your computer yeah I don't also think you need a quad-core processor unless you're doing a lot of video editing which I think you're hoping you had right now yeah I'm I just here on a new laptop I have a new ish laptop about a year old and I'm already done with it oh yeah but what I don't understand is why there's no in-between e you name of weather and like only two Mike why can they have made a macbook without the retina maybe dial back maybe give it like a dual core i7 right and sort of you know keep it may be at a price range where it's like my god this is this price is too good to be true they still and I guess people are learning is the hard way they still are a luxury company raced you know they still are like this you know can you afford US company I don't like that I I was I was bummed out I wanted to see like you know a twelve hundred dollar ultrabook sort of thing right that's not what we got well they did release some of the new MacBook Airs though right is that not what you were looking for I don't know anymore yeah this too many it's like duh yeah too many choices i think i don't know if it's too many choices but you know it's such a great machine you really have to hand it to them and it's only like four and a half pounds right this new macbook pro macbook pro with the dis retinues but it really is an impressive machine yeah i mean say what you will about the price and how no one can afford and it's overpriced and all this nonsense it really truly is an impressive machine I think if nothing else though if you don't need this much power you can save a lot of money by taking advantage for the price cuts on the older model no pros yeah um you know like not only are those getting deals now in the apple website you can also get a refurbished macbook pro for i think under twelve hundred dollars now and what's weird they really like you said they did come out with new heirs also didn't even talk about that they came out with new mac pro's also right talk about it right you know which I thought is interesting uh but yeah there's new MacBook Airs you know they're still there are a lot of money to and then when you look at the specs with the air and the new pro now it's tough there's there's big divide there right so how do you see anything was there anything else announced yesterday that you were really excited about yes definitely all I wanted to talk about all the new iOS 6 features okay um namely the maps did you see that part of the address yeah so I os6 will include a news 3d mapping function that's kind of been a long time coming since they departed from google maps right um a lot of people are kind of complaining though that uh the new flyover feature which does look cool that like kind of lets you give like a helicopter view to the city you never knew we were on the Transamerica building what not uh people complaining that it's not really good for city dwellers cuz it lacks some of the like the public transportation directions right and even the walking directions that google maps provided right we had to imagine once they've been in google maps are gonna lose a little bit of that functionality right also it's a new program this is their first iteration right Google Maps has been around for like what seven years I know isn't it sort of a huge pain in the ass yeah you know I just think like look I mean say what you will for the reasons they they parted ways but you gotta give credit to google maps I mean that that stuff gets better every day right you know it just improves every freakin day and uh you know with this new implementation of the of the new 3d map integration it's just the kind of start from scratch yeah it does look really cool looks great and that's fine but like you said not exactly for the the city person do they mention anything about street view either I was trying to do some research on sir this morning all that and I didn't see anything in there about like flyover seems cool but they um Tim Cook when he was demonstrating it you didn't really zoom in enough to where you had a street-level view it was like you know in the air yeah so I don't know how that's going to work maybe there's a satellite function but it does sound like they will be offering turn-by-turn directions yes which is something that every iphone user has been drooling at right in in in envy of android users because google maps has a fantastic gps turn-by-turn navigation right built into every every phone and you know a lot of people with iphones have sort of been like well i can I have that you know that's the thing man a lot of this stuff that they introduced are things that Android users have been enjoying for you not just Android users but jailbroken iphone users yeah for years like the whole sendin send a text back instead of like when someone calls like a simple stuff like that yeah the little things in life but the point is that Apple's never the first to do they're right most of the time the best at it and that's fine like that's a corporate strategy that they don't have to be for corporates you call it corporate strategy I ball something else I'll just being a call it I call it never calling you after the first day but I call that's what i call it um yes it I know I really like to turn by turn directions they should a screenshot of it gives you exactly how much time you have left to get your destiny up in their bodies like the locator welcome to android right now but does android dude crowd-sourced updates for like traffic information and things like that yep are you sure positive maybe Apple will do like a ticket warning system now everybody know when you went when I program it in there's a little icon in the bottom left corner right and it shows a green a yellow or red and that means hey you're either gonna have a smooth ride right um traffic or get used to sitting in traffic does it give you alternate drive directions and do it try a bird you know I know you I have to make it and and i'll let you know that time i think i can't i'm not sure that does this but i think it will give you directions based on the current traffic really because I I know I know that I've been in a situation and I've asked for for navigational directions and it's given me two different routes depending on like you know trap it definitely is done that that does sound cool but does android have Siri that emits a lard a lot louder a lard allow a loud in police siren what yeah I said something about an app that you can download where you can project a police siren out of Siri why would you want to do that your car speakers so it sounds like you have a cop car alarm are you anything will get out your traffic way yeah yeah I've read that but it's not going to be integrated into Syria no oh it's not yeah you they're not gonna give everyone not on the ability to like mess with traffic yeah it sounds kind of cool yeah try that sounds safe I think um yes or no no 3d Street View mode either which is what I've been waiting for google maps to come out what have you yeah wouldn't that be cool if you could tourist city any city you want with Google Maps three you that you wouldn't have to like keep clicking those arrows to move through the city which gonna give you like a driving okay of wherever you want sure control like a video get on board with that that's what I wanted all right uh what else did uh I OS introduced yesterday um the game center stuff I thought was interesting they really didn't get too deep into it but Game Center which is what iOS is currently using basically way for you to organize your game progress there's achievements you can challenge social sort of gatherings matchmaking and what have you that's going to be cross-platform so if you have a game that you're playing on your Mac and a game that's playable on iOS though they can now talk to each other for cross-platform playing right which i think is pretty cool um you know I don't know how well it's going to work I don't know how many games are available for mac and iOS and so that'll be interesting to see how that works out but that's not going to be out till mountain lion okay when's that gonna that's July that's uh I like how Apple's doing a lot of the cross cross platform well they need you they need to because they uh you know if you if you look back like three four years ago they're sort of road map in terms of operating systems it deviated it Forks right so then get iOS on one side then you had OS 10 on the other right and everyone felt like oh they'll eventually meet in the end but it doesn't really feel like that it feels like now they're just going to be going down this like parallel highway well and uh but be able to like you know but I think a bridge between those two operating systems is definitely wish I cloud fish like yesterday I member they announced I cod tabs which is something I didn't even realize you could do and you're surfing on your phone in Safari you can pick up on another device right where you left off you tabs are able to realize firefox and chrome does that Firefox can do that right you know but across platforms though can you do it on the phone versus a desktop yes browser hundred percent I think I know you can do it on the cleaner they have bookmark sync that's right i think you can do it on the chrome right or there's an app that will let you do it k um but at the end of the day that's an awkward transition like how many Ted's do you have open on your mobile browser right you no I think what really is very telling what they're going to do and I forget who said this I think it was someone we know from back in the day about the whole mobile ticket thing okay yeah so we're talking about things like passbook right so passbook is basically like a mobile wallet and it's going to and basically represent Apple's first commitment to digital ticket coupon an account consolidation right what I mean if I'm ticketmaster I'm like hey the first shots been fired you know there's nothing really that that proves that things are going to get crazy but I think this is a first sign of what's to come for you thinking this could probably put an end to all the high prices with taking I don't know about that I think it'll just sort of democritus eyes the whole situation right and uh we'll see what happens i don't know it's it's gonna be much easier maybe for people to resell stuff maybe that'll drive the price down a little bit i think if nothing else passbook would be a convenient solution to what a problem we've talked about for is keeping track of your passwords yeah I mean it's not built for that function because you're supposed to buy tickets sure shut it could be used for that yeah um and then the whole eyes-free thing the serie inclusion in in cars and stuff alright alright so they're basically calling it eyes free and it's going to be put into cars they're going to have integration certain car certain vehicle manufacturers with right on board I think yeah and um yeah it's it's sort of going to make it easier for for a more integrated Siri mm-hmm instead of you know I don't I just I hate these commercials that make it look so seamless and it's not so maybe this is for your stuff will be a step towards that reality I think it's cool that your tip that Apple's trying to take a navigation in like in console systems out of the car itself which might drive prices down for that I remember when I was shopping for a car in high school I got a Honda but the if for gps it was like six hundred dollars more and now you can just kind of take that with you that's that seems like a interesting feature it will be it will be interesting to see how it works I think if you're a car manufacturer you definitely want to have a footnote in your features that says Siri compatible we you want that you mean yeah everyone seems to be talking about how this is going to eliminate visual distractions and provide a safe route right now experience but there's like something to be said about cognitive distraction right like what when I don't care if you're looking or not the fact that you're trying to control music by talking to a device the same time when you're supposed to be dry and then the inevitable frustration you will encounter when it doesn't work properly and then right look at it you're like what the hell I didn't say that right you know you're playing Marky Mark when I clearly said C&C Music Factory probably this is a problem and you look at the thing you start hitting you with your hand right you you know you get to a fender bender I mean I that's the way it work and a broken phone and a broken phone yeah what else are we interested about so that really wraps it up for WWDC I don't think people like sony microsoft and nintendo need to take a page out of the Apple Keynote playbook right because when all said and done yeah it's overpriced but these things are impressive lot of features and this is how you get people excited about your bunch of business sure and obviously the last week at e3 I along with a lot of other people did not think those three guys made a made a splash like Apple just did in there and a press conference right I also read an article this morning about from a Mentalist I'm not even sure what that title what is that is that like a media I think it's like a psychologist that didn't go to school Amendola a mental isn't there a show called The Mentalist yeah but i think i'm a guy that were natural abilities I think Apple we could just read people anyway yeah um so this guy's not a minor eater but he did write a pretty interesting article i wish i had it here but I note about how our apple sort of inflates or just straight up lies about the stats in their keynote addresses hmm to sort of just make themselves look better as a PRN other companies do this but apple doesn't more flagrantly and i'll give you an example please do because i could not agree more with this um so in one of the slides Tim Cook was talking about the adoption rate of OS 10 vs windows seven right and if you do a little bit more market research you can see that like Microsoft definitely outsells Apple in terms of in terms of their like operating system sure sure sure but the problem is that uh apple doesn't talk about corporate corporations using right it's just like the home use yeah and so they had a graph up that was showing uh the development in the course of the first year of sales yep right and uh they're saying apples make the point that the new op iOS was adopted quicker at a quicker rate in the first year that Microsoft was and it gets updated more more users upgrade right incrementally the problem with that is that there's a like an economic strategy here is that most corporations that use operating systems use windows of course and they do it over a very slow course of time because they needed to be tested prior to you know rolling stock company yeah so the Knox can adopt the new one the first day that you doubt it comes out right like iOS users will download it immediately because they want to know those new features yeah but when you're in a corporate atmosphere it's a different story so you know there's like a psychological element there that they're sort of hiding it's not only that it and I maybe he brings us up there's a lot of crap of like when they use ambiguous words like favorite rice is their favorite don't give me that crap I complained about it last time when they were when they were saying like what people's favorite devices is I guess that's an immeasurable concept right you know it doesn't work like that I forget what the with the map was but they were they did it again yesterday and they said like people's favorite thing to use for whatever was I can't I wish I could bring it up but it was a customer satisfaction yeah and they grow old and they propel is ridiculous pull this stuff right really is infuriating about when they do that yet this was any other website you would ask for citation yeah right ask for references like what studied you poll there's always an answer is that that that leads to something at the Bonhams is like pulled from Nielsen or comms or something like this there's nothing yes just like a fairy tale you know ample grinning not only that like uh I mean if you're not gonna provide your sources at least talk about the sample size right like they just had this really nebulous graph that said that Apple had like these customers are uh satisfaction yeah I don't know if they're comparing their own users to another web sites or what but at least provide the sample size we should've asked to people and build this graph yeah so we're not going to be all positive about DC before we hit the break I want to talk about Scott Stein has his disappointments from WWDC let's go through these real quick yeah first bummer was that there's no consolidation of the macbook line right so all they did was basically they didn't make it one thing like you know I mean you sort of got that feeling when the ipad 3 turned out to just be the new ipad you thought like all right well maybe they're going to follow suit across the board no they introduced a new laptop and the pros in the airs still exists now you have three different laptops on it seemed like they were going towards maybe a one or two a platform there's no 4g on the new macbook and that's a bummer a lot of people wanted that clamoring for it there's no new imacs or Mac minis right I can live with that uh no Apple TV okay so I understand that there's a lot of disappointments that people were expecting yesterday but is it apples father didn't come out with that more is it is almost all speculating so much Brian I know these this isn't really a knock on Apple race is just what people were upset like no one know like it would be different if Apple sort of tease the television that we don't know if it's gonna come out it right right some people are upset that there was no one more thing it's like really I really upset that the the conference didn't have a finale yeah it's get away in fact that Siri came to the ipad is one of the big things at people for sure and that had delivered that no new iphone we knew that was probably going to be the case no Apple TV in addition to the HDTV there's no new TV with the little black box right um no ipad mini i guess people were clamoring for a 7 to 8 inch ipad and finally no update or overhaul of itunes which is quickly becoming the most resource demanding insane application ever they got a deuce they got to do like an itunes light or something like that because it's getting a little crazy we got to take a break when we come back more chat we have a video voicemail want to share yeah and some questions from you guys that will get two more 404 right after this stick around here is the doll back with the face pajamas live in the best and I don't waste time on the mic or the dough Rob jumps for the rhythm jump jump the vision jump and I'm here to combine these deliveries to make you shake the pan take a chance good morning Dan guys grab some girls don't wait make the twirl it's your world and come to the squirrel trying to get 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this one comes from Jason you mmm you know this guy no I don't know him low blow listen he's got your exact last name yep yeah but you're right you is like the Jones or the Smith or brown whatever white last anyone today I learned that you yeah like common orally I don't know this read the email um hey 404 Chico from Jason here got a quick question for Jeff what comic reader app do you use on your Nexus I'm a huge Garfield van but the only dedicated app for it sucks really this is you need an app to read Garfield oh I mean like well look I can't help you on that front because i don't use one on on my galaxy nexus but what I did really want to share with everybody is an app that I've been using on my iPad it's my favorite comic book reader app ever and it's called comic zeal yeah so here it is check it out here's what it looks like and it's super simple now that reads a CBR and I got like a copy of the New Yorker here which is interesting right you bought a copy than yeah you can download them in and pop them in so here's how it works no way you're going to read that New Yorker know so it's really interesting because it gives you the ability to like file all your comic books uh-huh and so let's say like you you pop in and you can put all your walking dead ones in one thing and then you read it and you're you know you're living the dream how does that take you from panel to panel yeah okay yeah I mean it's just a really good app super easy and it lets you like organize stuff you can take your your comics and like drag them into a folder and then sort of organize them in any which way you want I've never really used one that's as sort of intuitive is this it's really cool what what are you smell just laughing garfield oh it's interesting i didn't know there's a lot of like Garfield yeah I'm super psyched on Garfield but hey that's cool whatever you're into we don't judge let it ride our next email oh why don't know if I should read this one oh no it's okay I didn't bring my box of tissues oh she's a fine skipper this way uh who wrote this one manual right Janey says first I have three things to say first I'm sorry with the drivel losers really cooked like I love the minority report last week you should consider doing this more is really in training week nice job Justin Richard and REO and that other guy Joey third I listen and watch cnet's coverage of WWDC all of the updates did seem cool felt cheated because of the mac not an iphone fan but an Android user and loved it too I was hoping for the beautiful and easy to use experience that came with working on a new mac right out of the box said there's a lot of overpriced laptops that if I were to purchase one I wouldn't be able to even news out of the box because you have to get an optical drive right like the new one doesn't have that as well as install your microsoft office suites that's nothing new that never came with apple laptops not sure sure but anyway he said he would also have to buy dongle to connect his ethernet through the Thunderbolt there's a lot of hidden costs yeah so that and then you also have to buy a the new power adapter right like new man you don't have to give you hot you want to operate with like an older screen okay that's like ten dollars right there there are a lot of hidden costs he's if he's been a big avid Mac user for more than a decade but he made the transition from zip and jazz discs to flash drives and now he has to do it again isn't like the new mac stand which is change would be left behind yeah they they that's their m.o man I mean if you if you're trying to stick around with four year old technology you're gonna get left out of the party that's sort of how it's always been with them yeah and we're talking about this before it's getting harder and harder to get an ipad and use an android handset like what you're doing right now with all the cross platform integration I seem to be doing it just fine really you have no desire to get into the get an iphone now on whenever I've never not wanted an iPhone more than my time really yeah i mean i don't i don't need yeah i don't think it's a big deal because they'll net i say this but who knows I don't think they'll ever lock you out right you know I mean I don't think there'll ever be a time where you can't use google contacts or gmail with your iphone right i don't know may be happening soon this rivalry is getting intense I don't know I can't see that ever happening you know that's completely alienating a huge chunk of people right so I don't know let's get you a video voicemail because we haven't done this in a while yeah let's do it and I want to hear from Marlon uh for nothing else besides the fact that he's very complimentary oh cool three of us last week oh so it does involve as many compliments as possible oh not in you i'm talking about the Minority Report oh sure yeah cuz i'm not a minority I just want to make a short video I pretended to do it last week but I was so busy and I couldn't I just wanted to congratulate Justin on last week's episode the Norwood's great Richard was great Ariel was great and that'll guy was great also but anyways just wanted to say congratulations suggestion he handled the show pretty good you guys so I asked why my sunglasses well jess is back and all the line was the glass so I have to use my glasses also jeff if you like some guys that was really cute that's awesome it's true i'm the palest ever after on planet yeah you I people have to adjust their TV sets whenever it to say a thing but no you guys did a great job yes we really did big thanks to Joey hey Joey helped out everyone did a great job the minority report was alive and kicking yes very good uh we're gonna have to say goodbye for today ladies and gentlemen we don't have audio voice we do not not today no but keep sending those in because I really want to hear uh from people I do okay I mean we had some you know you gotta you gotta make it worth playing right yeah okay we got a big bunch of up tomorrow we do hopefully 86 644 cnet that's the number or you can email us the 404 at cnet com thanks again to people who wrote in and to our buddy for his video voicemail and his adorable daughter is very very cute at all right that'll do it for us we'll be back tomorrow is Jill on tomorrow uh she's supposed to be she's not traveling machine I don't know let's check maybe Jill tomorrow it's always a surprise on 44 we'll see you guys tomorrow i'm jeff bakalar i'm justin you it's the 404 high-tech lowbrow have a great tuesday see you tomorrow you