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welcome to the 4 horse show it's Thursday August second 2012 I'm surrounded by children you see that welcome to the to the big show my name is Jeff Bakalar Justin you and this is the show where we learn how to archive so we've got peter hahn the program today former friend Peter ha former friend and colleague or myrrh and grandparents yeah because you guys are in a little hissy fit we'll get to in a second Peter ha you've been on the program many times welcome back thank you you are now currently the wat at techcrunch the managing editor correct damn sick sounding title what does that mean managing editor what do you manage I heard cats-- all there you're a cat girl the internet you do and then you go surfing when you when you're done I wish I could do that I wish you could do that as well so we're good friends with Peter as you know if you're a fan of the show we've had on a bunch you moved around a bunch in your career you're at the daily for a little bit you start your at TechCrunch or a tech land crunch gear crunch gear / gear land not on TechCrunch and the entire time we've been here we literally haven't moved to the back radiation that's fine no great that's good you're always rolling over I like that but something happened what so so let's really get to understand what just happened here you apparently sent a photo oh boy I've Justin to someone that Justin knows from your past just were tell the guy sitting next to me to explain the story about what happened cuz I'm not sure actually talking to him right okay so do you guys are fighting which is awesome i gave you the trucker hat age is how you repay just gave me stink eye you guys not how friends do read each other Asian on Asian crime is an epidemic okay we can't have that happen in our studio it's true what happened Peter tell me your side of the story I want to hear it we're gonna this is going to be like a People's Court sort of situations that hammer that we keep in here well hammer so Justin asked me if one of my co-workers if I knew who this person was and I said yes okay why do you ask like oh I went to middle school in high school with I was like oh that's cool hmm so then I just texted her and said brought up his middle school or the middle school that you two went to Angela's middle school she corrected me Indianapolis I never learned how to read alright alright use like this hour well I don't know you didn't clarify i wasn't sure i don't know how things work and don't sass me in each other California so so what happened to you so you that i sent she was like she asked me why are you there i was like well now and then i sent a photo of justin that I took yeah without him knowing yeah so a little upset and that she remembers him which is good it's man like 12 years what do you remember of this girl um not oh well I'm you went to middle school in high school together I remember we had mrs. karey's English right that's very specific I want I want to know like what did you have a relationship with this girl we're your friends yeah well we were friends but you know didn't really maintain contact afterward but then I saw a press release that she had gotten a job as a community manager i believe right techcrunch couple months ago and when you got the job there's like hello let me ask Peter about this guy not knowing that you were just gonna send some candid photo of me yes in 12 years man hey you know what sure members e that's the most important part speaking of which have you been to your high school reunion oh really coming up or over free I have opted out of the 5 and the 10 yeah so cux i Facebook you had a five and ten yeah I mean I've never heard of a five well that's what happens when you go to a school for your classes less than a hundred people oh yeah I guess so then you guys all probably are on the same email chain anyway you can keep in touch that way right or that thing called facebook is why I didn't go to either my Iranian so I was like I already know what you guys are doing Facebook kind of killed that didn't it yeah yeah it didn't though mostly better than all of them I mean who else are many of the Managing Editors I don't think so I don't know you just crap all over him i love it so so now you got upset because he sent you this pic G sent this girl this picture of you why did you get so upset man no no reason I just it's weird that people are just taking photos of me and sending about aunt he is visibly upset with her he's upset because it's not like there aren't any photos of you on the Internet yes that's the problem the internet too tricky because asking all right so the answer it's so there right now tell her to tune in to the show yeah tell her stream stream live because now live stream doctor yeah yeah well is it live stream place is just breaking live stream what livestream com okay she'll get it no no no livestream com what / 404 no just livestream com I think we're on the front there okay the ship is sinking right now I microphones cutting in and out oh man still not working no 001 back there you can back yay all right anyway we'll follow up on that saga as it develops yes what's going on Tegra what uh what what are you guys up to you these days right now we're just guys scooping everybody right now we're just getting ready for our crunch up on friday and palo alto your what our crunch up are you going out there now i'm not know what scrunch up it's uh it's a little mini sort of panel discussion around a very specific topic leading into our annual summer August capital party sounds pretty exciting yeah what the hell do you do there would I don't get it so this year's theme is a built around the Facebook ecosystem we're going to talk to the developers and then folks from facebook and say like here's what's happening what are you guys doing mm-hmm a very lively discussion about the ecosystem there and what that entails bright are you going to ask them about all the fake users that have sort of played their site I think someone will hopefully so that just came out there what is it eight point five percent of facebook users are not real yeah yeah that's a lot that's all these low alien users though I mean no it's not yeah that's a 955 million you know what way I would mean there no that's right now there's 950 million total users Total what's eight percent of that number this BBC news article that would mean there are like would be way more many people in the world than there are there's no yeah there's just there just the Miss that's a misper weights 950 million right total you told ya so it's eight percent of that whatever that is that's what like 90 million I don't know where is it nine no I I met without Matt I mean you gotta I'm sitting front of you two guys you're not going to know neither of you are gonna give me the roll medical answer now I'm banding back together with Peter just go you I mean for that what I thought that's what we pay you for um uh oh that's not necessarily spam users though right like I'm sure a lot a big percentage of those fake accounts probably for like people that dogs and like you know exactly where multiple profiles counts though am I count on enough accounts let me look at that I'm looking at this article it says duplicate profiles make up about four point eight percent of the users and then 1.5 are just undesirables which are like spam bot accounts I just click on likes to her marketing interesting and then 2.4% our user misclassified accounts I mean that means that yeah that means that people that are you know creating multiple accounts or ones that just for like fake celebrities oh I have maybe one or two friends who have duplicate again what about you you got a fake one now don't lie I do not know I wish I did why would you need a duplicate account is that like a lurker account I know Franco why would I now could I live how can you possibly learn exactly is booking but what point is that you have to be friends with people right so you can't lurk if you're not if you have a fake account unless you create a fake profile for someone that they know that is so twisted and screwed up that's really weird that is really weird um no I have duplicate accounts on okcupid but that's well that's your problem you really do that no I don't yeah you know I actually don't you know what the girls do I've heard a couple girls tell me that they have duplicate accounts on okcupid so they have one it was like the real one right like a saucy one another one where they can just lurk around it dudes and look at their profiles before they decide yet actually use their real account to hit them up I can't relate but it sounds like a good idea that's right you're out of the dating game I've been the reason for that is because okcupid is like LinkedIn right like people can see why you give in to you in their profile but you can't see who's viewed yours unless you have that option turned on really so that's why people create multiple so they can lurk on others to like screen them I think before sending a message okay is that right right I'm learning yeah I don't know I think so yeah I I just know that you can see who's looked at your profile illness or like enough then there's like a private motor something which you are on mo but war on okcupid I am do you like it you have you had success I've only been on one date but you know honestly like I'm trying to do a story about dating in this day and age compared to let's say 10 to 15 years ago I mean I just saw all these photos of you with surrounded by chicks on facebook I was like man was fun i was looking at it my wife's like that be that Peter hi he gets around doesn't it is a ladies man I'm like I guess it was just you surrounded by a bunch of white chicks it was cool there's one asian in there yeah you there's a hopper I'm there so so what was that like I was at a wedding those are what i figured she only had one day through okcupid uh correct that's it correct yeah and that's it you're not are you are you like actively seek I mean now because I think it's so a little bit boring it's kind of like all right what's the next thing that I could possibly look at ya alright if you have a go to first date for your okcupid dates I'm gonna close my god I feel like we're the ABC sportscaster what's your preferred first online no I have a little place I like to go on the first date yeah well what is it yeah when you'll ever know you about come on let me guess let me guess then is it a flea market no oh well that's always mine did like the dim sum place where's that hammer that we do oh we're not gonna be talking about my dating life I want to hear more about it because you see there's this little bears a little wine bar and the Lower East Side that I like to go to would go okay I got peter has OkCupid profile yeah I would love to look at that i'll give you the URL there what are the five things people notice first about you how do you know there anyone in because that's part of the okcupid profile ask because I Asian what happened to anybody into that what do you mean how could anyone answer what other people think about well yeah I mean a lot of people do like that you told me things or my face or something or when it used to be like age sex sex location oh yeah ask me can you tell us about you said you've only been on one date right so you haven't had any really terrible like nightmarish States I feel like everyone either has those or like really creepy messages that they've gotten actually it's always girls that have them check if I've told this this girl my last name wait what okay the one that I wanted that's okay no one can find the show I don't wanna that's okay you can use Mac disclose that yeah uh so yeah I've only been on one day nothing terrible so far mm-hmm although there have been a couple instances where I'll message a girl and then they will respond and then we'll kind of go back and forth about trying to figure a time they like go grab a drink and then they sort of drop off cuz that's like a relationship in itself the back and forth I try and keep those very limited like what would we possibly talk about if we actually did go on a date see I feel like the key to doing the online dating thing is to only exchange a very limited amount of first messages and then immediately meet up so that you don't waste too much time if well that's what I that was my approach I was like hey we should grab a drink right and she's like sure when I give him her give her a time and she's like oh that doesn't work how about something else so I can come back to her with another time and then that's where it's dropped off for a couple girls right she's like this guy's do you busy for me I don't even want to deal I but i'm confuse them like you're the one asking me for an alternate time yeah then why would you just think would you have a problem giving out your phone number to someone that you presume isn't a serial killer after a few messages well that's why i have a google voice number two oh there you don't so you should start doing that and then you can take and send funny photos to each other that's pretty small a photo that's what I always do ya like funny photos if your hats and dogs and stuff that's your currency that's really networks dude you girls love pets that's your game currency yeah but that's like saying here's my brother's baby who I'm just gonna like take around and get some it's more like look at this is what I'm seeing right now like it's just something to talk about I'd you know what interesting as weird as he is and as strange about the things that the things that he does are here he you know he knows what he's doing in some capacity I may ask you to coach me then we'll have a 404 red light episode I would love to pick apart except Jetta yeah we need like a pickup artist everything all right I want to talk a little bit about your three so the news came out of the daily or used to work correct they laid off a third of their work for us yeah it's uh it's a bit of a bummer it is a bummer when anyone loses their job of course yeah I'm not really sure who is a part of that layoff yeah let me talk to a couple people and a couple people I've talked to they still have their jobs but it's just really unfortunate you know it was very lofty aspirational project begin with and I don't think they're gonna go in anyway they're not going to go away anytime soon yeah that's what I'm kind of worried about because I subscribe I really do have to daily a lot but it's just uh I don't know I want and we can only assume we can only sort of guess that though at the reasons I would imagine maybe subscriptions weren't awesome remember looking at your iPad at the daily yeah that's what I was really impressed with all the graphic designs of course in the photos were incredible as well I'd imagine that for a daily newspaper that's going to require a huge amount of a graphics team I read online that a lot a lot of the cuts were made to the graphics team as well as sports an opinion that's a bummer yeah I don't know that that's got to be really tough to maintain also I feel like a lot of work The Daily was kind of competing with the internet right like the old messaging seemed like it was a way to you know cut through the fat of the interview you know like their daily curators you don't have to search any other websites that's a tough enemy to make right i mean if you're trying to compete against something as big as the web right it's a hard sell you know i had some suggestions for them during my tenure there and before I left but you know it's it's a you just got Rupert Murdoch on speed dial hey Rupert hey we're all gonna do is just call him Ruffy be like hey dude you got some got some ideas for you sir it more or less went something like yeah maybe like look Peter I gotta call you back you are my number one priority but have to call you got some other stuff going on some other fish to fry yeah alright well you can still check the daily out if you're interested it's pretty cheap though subscription was always pretty cheap I feel like it's very possible for the year yeah well what crossword sodoku weather and horoscope every single day for the price of admission to get one is it not I would pay for that if they had like a web-based app where you can just look at her on a computer well you know what it's still evolving they're still trying to figure it out so you know we'll see what happens all right I want to shift gears back to you and where you're at right now what are you interested the summer is always a very lame in my opinion very lame sort of let down in terms of tech news and stuff like that what are you into right now you're sort of like me you sort of hate first and ask questions later that sort of thing I hate all the way through yeah oh it's deep it runs deep and you and I but what are you what's making you upset what's making you happy these days with tech what you know you know right now because we're getting ready for disrupt in September in San Francisco yeah I've actually been able to see a lot of really cool startups that have been thought of applied for our battlefield and reviewing those and kind of going through that so it's been pretty exciting to see I guess in terms of trends what people think are going to be important for this year and next year hmm so it's pretty exciting to see that but I think we're gonna have a pretty good battlefield in September in San Francisco so if you guys are want to come check it out there's going to be some really really cool stuff and I I don't say that lightly I know and I and you I really that's like a huge thing for you to say yeah because nothing impresses you yeah you know a lot of the stuff that's happened in the past is always been sort of software based web based products right I think you're gonna start to see some more hardware startups coming up not like Kickstarter maker people like actual tease us though blokes gimme give us it gives us a little taste um you know gives a little flavor a little bit later yeah one that I'm really excited about is a two-wheeler with a really weird and crazy engine so you're inside it's a bicycle is a bike something like that huh what does it do a little like true this is for kids this is like oh this is like legit it's gonna like a good mini motorcycle what does it dude what is so cool that he can't say it's a fully enclosed sort of 2-wheeled motorized vehicle oh that is going to change the world is it a bicycle or is it a car you're describing the I sauna look at our car arises is it wrong it's the tumba it's not quite the tumbler the back wheels aren't going to tumble quite like that no it's it's uh it's an atypical motorcycle is the easiest way to put it okay that a typical capable uh no typical correct Oh like the Segway is there a gyroscope in it that's not like that Glee in any way shape or form soso way but early something that can't crash or flip correct ooh this is a fun game hmm it's pretty sweet so it is the toddler it could be the tumbler that's so cool interesting so when can we expect to see this for ourselves September absolutely 12 okay all right all right and you'll be out there covering yes very cool ah so what else what about apples back in the news with their announcements incoming yeah oddly next month right yeah what do you think about the smaller the idea of a smaller iPad look man I honestly just based on what I see with any other 7-inch tablet it'll probably do really well with the female demographic Oh interesting with Jay love it because of the smaller they can put it in their person not be like sexist but that's the feedback that I've heard from girls are like I suppose the iPad the iPad as light as it is it still just a little bit happier than a 7-inch tablet horse and I remember when Samsung came out with that very very very first Android how about seven inches like he go back and look at all the reviews joanna stern from ABC i think she was at engadget at the time she was like I love this tablet yeah she's like cuz it was small I didn't like feel like I was in drop it on my face if I'm reading in bed right that was my first company about the first I PES that was too heavy yeah I remember netbooks took off right away with the female demographic for the same reason was that they wanted something light to carry around in their bag that makes sense and again there's nothing it's you're right it's not sexist if it was culturally acceptable for men to carry around Merces we'd all be psyched about it i right you know but we carry around backpacks and bigger like which is which letter back carry cuz you know we have like larger big things on her back did you guys see the photo of that guy i think it was in a subway station in New York actually he had an iPad stuffed into the back of his belt what oh yeah yeah he was entering that around yeah it was in Grand Central huge I had his iPad tucked in between his pants or not in between spans but in like like in between is a tucked-in shirt and his pants correct yeah I my thing with the ipad is that I'm never comfortable carrying it outside of a hard shell sort of case you don't want to drop it I don't want to drop it I don't want it to get you know squashed a little bit because even if you have that smart cover on it and you put it somewhere like on a couch someone sits on it by accident all right it's gonna get so I always really I'm obsessed with keeping it inside this hard case unless I'm leaving it on a call it always amazes me to see people who are walking around the streets of even Manhattan yeah I know she was using it then I'm like what are you doing that's what does somebody like your lumps you right it's over grabs it and then takes off down the street I that you're totally right now blows my mind when I see someone just rip it out of love us leave yeah and it's just naked there's nothing around it maybe we just hold these products at such a higher level but it like i'm just worried a survey maybe I'm a klutz but I feel like any little tiny movement could possibly just go flying out of my hand right that's why I feel like a 7-inch tablet would be kind of more annoying to have to keep track of right i feel like i would lose it a lot of here you know you're not putting that in your pocket still it's too big guarantee that I I would hate to have to keep pulling like a calculator sized object in and out of my bag right I'm going to be more prone to just set it on the counter when I need to pick something up there it is like it's just going to have either of you guys been at like a major event like a concert or a sporting event where people have pulled out their iPads to take photos or videos well sporting events and a concerts are two very different things okay but I waited at a sporting event you're not in a concert I've seen a lot at baseball game right facebook I mean you can read a newspaper while you're at the baseball game 40 friggin boring but that sort of environment I think allows you to take it out there do you mean so a little bit it never looks cool it's something that looks cool I don't care if it looks cool or not it's just is it practical it's just not practical in the sunlight affinity terrible sunlight is terrible too yeah yeah I remember I saw a lot of people using it in manhattanhenge New York it's like a very local thing but yeah apparently like couple times a year the Sun lines up in between the buildings of the avenues in New York yeah it gives like a really cool image of a sunset which apparently Yorkers don't see ya and wait like illuminates the buildings on the streets yeah it's kind of cool it's something like on thirty-fourth or 42nd whatever one of those long corridors right you can see from river to river and yes I'm like gets in between hmm it is a very local thing yeah people might be like oh that sounds stupid but I know I don't sit when you live in Manhattan and he don't really see the Sun that often right it's kind of cool to see it like it's true you're oh yeah used to these very odd casted shadows and these strange sort of reflections that only happen for like 15 minutes a day and stuff like that especially if you sit next they have a window in your offer and you sit there you're like oh let's let's drink oh there's oh there's the Sun I can make it off for different reflections there it is amazing little there you know what I'm hoping that apple announces pretty soon is a new ipod nano I feel like dad hardware is up for refresh I remember when we did the walking dead escape at comic-con I was saying that all they need to do is put a camera inside one of those things and it could be the new GoPro and like GoPros have taken off over the past few months and athletes love that kind of thing all they have to do is add either a watch strap that's Apple endorsed or a bunch of different straps that you can put in a helmet you know like you're a big motorcyclist well that's a huge thing to just take videos of you know yeah gross driver huge last couple years yeah I mean why has an apple taken an advantage of that and just put an HD camera you're not hardly enough yeah mophie announced I think yesterday this like action sports package for iPhones Oh essentially out there yeah it's like in a hard shell and then you can mount it like on a helmet or whatever it is see the thing with the GoPro though is that it is most certainly designed for that yeah absolutely the if they ever did that for a nano that would be an afterthought but it's not the camera itself that's really special it's just the case it's like indestructible plastic case and then this the rubber strap I still think they're there they're more sturdy and sort of rugged and then then an ipod not naina right I mean like I feel like that thing still is more if it wasn't there recently like a prototype week of the new nano the showed that it had a camera I think it wasn't that all the way I believe actually it still has that small clip form factor I also think the lens on the GoPro is really good they have a lot better I have a great sort of image quality on that tight little package I mean that thing's no bigger than you know I don't like a mouse it's like hamster stuff yeah it's amazing foxes imagine it it's covering degree or four boxes and and the quality is amazing the audio yeah you're not going to get the great greatest audio at any sort of go into that knowing it but it does have an audio in you could use like a lab or some sort of wireless mic right if you were so inclined pretty cool all right let's switch gears a little bit and talk about our favorite hot sauce ever let's talk about a segment that I like to call Asian people news and that only happens when you're on so I'm really excited about this reason you guys ever let me do it we need a special like segment bumper for Asian people know now that we re Ellis in here every day we're outnumbering you at least two to one today three two one yeah I guess on yeah I can wonder also in the corner so we can come after you for it's true so I won't understand this story is that what you're saying no but I'm going to request that we all take off our shoes before I so this is really cool i saw this on thinkgeek today this is do you guys know what sriracha is of course by University Jeff yeah rooster sauce right it was created in LA it's kind of got this uh how'd you described described as a garlicky got really tangy spicy delicious it's the best thing ever had you gotta use it in moderation though it's really good at pizza oh it's so good on pizza I use you on that I use it pretty much on anything yeah it's in credits yeah I'll go I'll go there I like getting the fries in it yes ketchup you ever done that but no although that's crazy yeah make popsicles out if it's all good yeah thinkgeek just debuted sriracha lollipops and you can buy them either in sets of four or individually that's weird four packs ten bucks single three bucks uh what you want to sell oh no pretty fiery right this is arguably the worst application ever uh this is arguably the worst advertisement ever do I hope I would you is it gotta be an asian guy super you gotta wear glasses too yes but you see chubby dude it's some chubby asian dude getting ready to scarf down a sri racha racha lollipop yeah uh you can really weird why wouldn't it be a girl oh yeah right I just not to be sexist but I'm just saying not to be sexist but I'm gonna be sexy yeah ranging oppressed from three to ten dollars you can buy them for singles three dollars in a four pack for ten can you can we order some and then I was have I come on we'll try it out together hands down definitely gonna do yeah all right all right we'll have them for you next time yo jai share one yeah we'll do like Lady and the Tramp to her style it'll be sick um all right do we have anything else before we gotta say goodbye um well we got a couple words that were added to the Oxford English Dictionary all right um let this be the last story that we talk about her what you know it's really sad is that I feel like every year Jeff you and I talked about the new words that are added to the Oxford English Dictionary like I think we did that no nine that's okay only a few years prior but you know with like social media getting so popular in urban dictionary man I I must check that site like four or five times you know the last thing I looked up on urban dictionary was beez in the trap and I felt like such a white guy when I did that cuz I just didn't know what that was yeah that's not normal like I don't know what that is anyone is gonna you gotta be easy wanna try for ya are y'all you know I'm talking about there's that Nicki Minaj song using the tribe Tony can be singing are you using no idea go this way you got lucky today wait so I'm sorry we can't really beat a quaint anything serious that she says no but beez in the trap I mean if she's like I'm honey super well ya better be what do you think that means bees and i beez in the trap i beez in the trap is that saying that's the lyric I ends in the trap the letter i peeing somewhere I don't know no no we got to figure this out he's in the trap yeah she's she's saying I myself beez in the trap yeah i beez ambar maybe like a buzzing there's some sort of buzzing in the usual getting a haircut is that what do you raise its stupid wait no give us a hint he's saying the trap is what the trap is Lady part yes a project ok so the trap is a busy ok so beez in the trap i beez in the trap yeah I think you're overthinking it no she's doing enjoy in the trap she's in the trap I think that's what that means like I've had nothing to do it she's in the Trotters so she's the trap is really the thing that we should be looking on right yeah it makes it that none of us know what that means cuz yeah none of us are in the trap ok I think we need to stop giving her money but anyway I do I think that's the lesson area yeah stop giving Nicki Minaj money you're it is the lesson go by sriracha a lot like seriously you're better off more value with the fam oh man all right way love those lawyers there's a lot of new words that it came out this year that are actually added to the Oxford English Dictionary a bunch of which probably shouldn't be and they're old to like chillax knowing you really is the worst right bromance bling bling just got added to the Oxford English Dictionary which is got to be the whitest thing ever jeggings come on wait but dough like Homer Simpson's dough is in the dictionary now a locavore I've never heard that before but it makes sense it's yeah that's been around for a while one of those combination words diet that you only locally produced food correct you're thinking of port Mentos right point in Joey I was a lot of these are ya bro that's just lube is now a word allows the MELD knows he's not serious you know like noob saibot yeah totes oh man those are all different set of words that I really is like short nurse Twitterati that's interesting are you kidding me he nor frequent users of the social that is sweet a word I been away for a lil always a word but I think they just amended to reflect what are now useful I think some of the more interesting ones don't have to do with tech like there's 35 of them I think like 30 are all like cyber-related yeah stuff but truthiness is one of them wasn't that the colbert thing where he got that edit a while ago was it I don't know is that the origin of that that's a the quality of seeming to be true or upcycled as another one um I didn't realize that wasn't a word yeah how's that not a word and then whatevs its alternate Ari's sure what about whovian how does it even Whovian a fan of the british science fiction television series Doctor Who yeah the end photo we've reached the end I mean is Trekkie in there that definitely in there if they're letting crap like this in right there's a clearly a lot of stuff attorney made the cut I kept rockinbleau about it wrong terrible anyway uh we gotta call it quits for today Peter huh thank you so much for being here thanks for having loved shooting the crap with you check out TechCrunch techcrunch com and follow Peter on Twitter at the peter how all right all right thanks for doing that we will send out we we finally heard from our sleep clock winner you will be getting your clock what else we got going on that's it right tip it this week that's it back tomorrow finishing up the week on the right foot we'll see you guys then 866 44 seen it that is our phone number or we could email us the 44 it's unicom we will be back friday and then we'll finish up the week and have a great weekend way we do it until then I'm Jeff Bakalar and I'm Justin you it's the 404 high-tech lowbrow have a great thursday thanks again to peter ha a little golf clap computer huh little com we gonna let you know how that text message conversation goes yeah we need to follow up on that now see you guys next time later