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Trump what do you plan on doing to fall to whip it into shape so that it's displays the correct temperature well what's great is that I know for sure he would answer that question look we have a great we have a great set of seasons here okay we're going to do is we're gonna take fall we're gonna put fall we're gonna put in a bathtub we're gonna put it behind a wall it won't bother us anymore do you know what's the trouble making season we just don't want any part of it I will dig deep into false paths find out all false secret and when I do not expose fall for the piece of season truly is i will then having a situation where has to act like it's correct season i don't i don't mind could you say something could you say so first thing and I nobody breathe I'll be brief I promise you'll be briefed of this but fall needs to play ball okay what do you mean to rhyme there but life has great bridges a bumper sticker fall used to play ball make those shirts yeah that's it and you like that you like my Trump impression no it's not that it is on the verge of being someone it's okay it's based off that guy from who does it from the UCB oh I haven't seen that it's spectacular he's a little mumbly he's in May he's amazing yeah he doesn't I don't think anyone does it better than yeah his name is Anthony something it isn't any good good giving him credit I'm sure he deserves it he does I don't have any problem with fall it's the winter that it is a downer and bugs me what do you you'd like winter you're okay with mentor I mean you ski that the only reason winters the best they're all this ice skating as well but you I nothing is better yeah then being cold when you sleep yeah but you could be cold with air conditioning i'm not i'm looking for an all natural okay solution to marry sleeping i need to be cold yeah you know the only thing about fall that really is the downer is the loss of the hour of light cuz if it were you its target for call you a flower who cares who cares downer first of all sad daylight say these a whole whatever and i don't want to go on Iran here I agree that's crap it's it like it actually has an awful impact on on human life what's the worst part uh Pete that it can actually make you like depressed that's what I was just saying you ignored it I'm just saying that is do it right that's what I'm saying yeah crap yeah and I father next thing getting dark early as part of that I think today they do it there's like a ten percent spike in traffic accidents and probably suicide uh we go that far well what is it Sweden or one of those countries that's like a really high suicide right because they only get like an hour daylight during the winter yeah but they just they do it better than we do even if they're okay James I better they do it all better more effectively so apparently uh Sweden does suicide better and Japan does Star Wars trailers better I wouldn't know but I'll take your word for it i miss thought is very weird this morning i'm on twitter and there's all these all this training is like jap japan star wars yeah and i'm like what the what is that like what what's going on yeah apparently a regional exclusive trailer japan international trailer but only japan well the it's got japanese subtitles okay it's not dubbed it's not dubbed it's all in English got it and they do it a relatively different trailer than the theatrical one that we all saw was that last week yeah I mean item it's very different it's very different and they show different scenes do they say true bacchus on no that's that's borderline insensate I don't think it is it's mr. Tuvok oh that's what that means Chewbacca's on is that what a salaryman han solo mi if it's offensive i'm sorry but i don't think it is we're just having fun um you put like it's crazy right again it's weird that they generally they'll do like a big for a big tentpole like this they'll do the US release of the trailer they'll do an international trailer but the international trailer will have like one or two like different shots or something like that but for it to be dramatically different which is what you're saying it is as far as i can tell i only watch the first one that came out twice cuz i'm just not that much of a crazy person sure and i just watched this one it's a little shorter but it's very different there's one see more like kylo Ren no no no no no no stop stop so do we talk about theories what I do talk about who i think kylo Ren is no we did not talk about can we do that is it based on any like interview this is just your brains Jeff ok go for it I think kylo Ren remains is Jar Jar Binks re incarcerate kylo Ren yeah is either Darth Vader's clone okay sure lame but okay that's not that's bit well within the there are there is cloning mr. onanism it keeps it in the family yes I think like yeah looks like he's gangly like Luke Skywalker right okay maybe they may be like Luke has a weird brother maybe he's his brother well he would be all sort of nice in a whaler he would say I mean if it was dead yeah a close owners down right this is like some metal gear right here um I never want to enter that from of metal gear is there anything else that you're basing no no this is all speculation i want to say i also read someone propose something similar online uh it was a big theory i read about Jar Jar Binks being a Sith Lord that's a parody but it was like a well-researched there yeah and you can in Viet come on I hate I hate that stuff I don't think they were being a holy serious but they did I like it was a joke I hate when they're trying to be serious yeah I'm just like back to the Future predicted 911 like that uh uh yes I don't know it's fun to have your own fan theory though yeah so this trailer go check it out if you know we're talking about um it's very it's very good there's what yeah yeah I am in my I'm in it to win it I was I won't watch the trailer I I do feel bad that I can't have a substantive discussion it's benign I feel like you just did a really good job researching yeah George Lucas has said that he wants to see nothing of the new movie because it will be the first time he experiences a Star Wars movie like anyone else right and it'll be better than anything he ever did do you think he can acknowledge personally like this is so much better than anything that I could do I'm making again a very uh premature judgement yeah but I I feel like I know I'm gonna like episode 7 I think I will more than any of them even like Empire which again through writer direct right i'm gonna i know i'm gonna i just tell certainly be more modern and more like a more fitting of modern tastes in terms of movies i just think i don't know i think they're doing it right ah speaking of Star Wars there is a cnet tech tie in here oh boy uh if you have been to a newsstand in the last a couple of days you will notice that mr. John boyega John boyega that he is on the cover of Cena magazine I saw that uh this is a stormtrooper as a storm trooper and t-shirt of stormtroopers you don't even know his deal cuz you've seen no I mean all I've seen like so for what it's worth I saw the very first trailer and instantly regretted it just cuz I got excited I didn't wish I hadn't seen anything but there is a shot of him in a stormtrooper outfit like in the very first like the first shot helmet off right anyway and it's clear it's clear that he liked defects or something happens but yeah pretty rad that we got him on the cover of cnet magazine very cool there's actually it is a good get there's a variant version of the covers well there's one in white and one in black ass very cool ah go check it out it's really good stuff talking to John boyega about his role as Finn you know the force is too much information I can't tell you what his name now his name's Finn Finn isn't gonna pay no fence is he gonna write on a raft oh noes what does that the huckleberry finn river oh my god I it used to be okay you and they I know what what's happened it used to be all right uh all right so there it is star wars the force awakens Japanese trailer international trailer go check it up for yourself and let us know what you think um we wait hold on put on your hat Russ put on your your business hat okay take it thank you mrs. happy I mean you are a fox business veteran are you not yes what it tell tell the people what you do sometimes I've been on fox business a lot you go on like weekly yeah I've probably been on about 60 or 70 times okay so that's a lot as a la um and a big business thing in the tech world happened yesterday it's true Activision yes bought King digital yes the makers of candy crush big game for 5.9 billion dollars yeah okay with Abby now uh we talked a bit about this on the Beast cast as well this week but uh what what so now what's your knee-jerk reaction because you know you there's been a lot of acquisitions with in the mobile space yes Zynga had that like year when they're like well we gotta buy everybody and it kinda didn't work after them I getting long run sure but Activision Blizzard is a massive company that's having a great year yep King digital actually not so much there's not there there they've been not tanking but there haven't been in in the in the best of financial situations as of late yeah big they get acquired for I believe and I'm just trying to remember i believe it was twenty percent below their IPO i think it was a premium actually of where their stock price wise i think was a 20-percent premium on top of the IPO I thought it was their initial offering they're getting 20 below it I don't know maybe we research this or something but either way the takeaway is that King hasn't been doing great yeah Activision's doing real well yeah and they bought him for almost six billion dollars yes so now what's your knee-jerk will need York reaction um I think it's a smart move for I do I think it's a good minority most of the criticism has been against that so this is why I think it's a good good idea is Activision has never solved the mobile thing for themselves like they have not done a good job on with mobile you know the only thing they've had a huge hit with this hearth stone but in terms of like broad mobile appeal it hasn't happened yet I feel like hearth stone is not a blip on the raid it's not above on the radar but it's one title and that's the issue King granted has candy crush they have number of other titles these are not quote good games I'm not estimates as much as three million dollars as how much candy crush makes a day oh yeah without a doubt I mean the last the official estimate that i heard the official like numbers that were reported was about one and a half million that was like a year and a half ago so those are all numbers so and and that's not the only game that's making money now the thing about all these games is that they're super super low overhead to just maintain they exist and they just make money you don't need to staff them you don't need to constantly create new content when you do need to create new content it's like a dude in a room setting up some fruit that fall like it's literally not work are these you downplay it that much it's but we're that's like making a level in like a 3d world to compare that to a patch to The Witcher right exactly it's much less work and um it's this broader appeal thing what Activision is doing is essentially they're trying to corner every area of the games industry yeah you're I'm sorry just interject real quick the 18 dollar per share proposed purchase price does represent a 20-percent premium over Kings closing price on october third that's what I was like yeah such as but it is still four dollars and fifty cents per share lower than its IPO right definitely and I think that was the issue that they're having was the king as its own company is so sustained by these big spikes these big successes that they have that in those dips that's where you see the share price dropping but when actors in comes in activision has these big properties that they can sort of rely on and say okay these are going to constantly make money and you have this under layer of all these mobile games and they might not all be huge monster hits but they're all making my guaranteed profit yeah so I think it's a very conservative safe move which is ironic for such a big deal it would take a major shift in the mobile game space to make this like a really bad investment because right good because smart the trajectory at which it is pointing which is traveling yeah would say even in a short to medium length of time like this is a smart move totally one hundred percent and then if you want to get into like the numbers to of like how Activision is actually paying for this it's not as much out it's not like six billion out of their pocket right a lot of it is coming from like offshore stuff yeah because it is an international acquisition king is Irish wanna say i feel like king is based in iron and i know where their base let's look this up real quick i believe in again if you're listening to pcs and for for a little bit of overlap here but King digital is and it's an Irish King digital let's find out their wikipedia uh yeah they are not an American company they are based in Dublin that one Ireland yeah and they have an office in Sweden as well yeah I mean I think it's a good move for activision i realize i'm a little in the minority but it's it's not like a super it's not like when activision brought bought blizzard and it was like of course blizzard this monster crazy company that's on the upswing for the last 15 years of course they're gonna buy them it's again kind of crazy when you're talking about a six billion dollar acquisition but it's a very steady conservative good investment for activision because they're just like making a baseline and saying okay this is our mobile solution and it's just going to constantly make money for the next five years for as little amount of effort it takes to update something like candy course they still have roughly 1,400 employees yeah which is a lot sure it's a lot of people Activision might cut some of those basil yeah for sure that's probably almost guaranteed so so yeah some of the money is coming from sure uh because we're talking about like if they were to bring that money to the US they have to pay taxes on that so you gotta look at it as like a deal in that regard and then the rest of it i believe is alone from like banks yeah bank of america and freaking goldman sachs yeah pretty crazy who's good with this isn't that weird it's a weird I guess I mean Activision again stable company monster public game publisher I wouldn't mind giving them alone and getting some money back in the end so if you really want to know just what the Freak King digital makes like what what mobile games they're responsible for ya on iOS they've got 11 games and these pretty much overlap one to one with the Android offerings bubble witch saga yeah bubble witch saga to the return candy crush yep candy crush soda saga yeah what is what you play so decide I don't know i mean i've played them just to like look at them but not regularly they're all saga Diamond digger yeah saga farm heroes saga Papa Bear saga yeah pet rescue saga so when you type in saga it comes up with all their games but that's alright there's other games that have saga in it pyramid solitaire saga and then let's not forget scrub-a-dub isaga and then alpha Betty saga I've only heard of ba candy crush yeah just prints money apparently yes I mean they all make a lot of money well they all do well so right so if you can if you can detach yourself from the fact that this is an acquisition for the game in the mobile space let's look at like so i have a thing where like I i put a stigma on these types of games okay cuz they're freemium game sure and they are essentially uh you know they kind of bleak money a little bit from there navara yesterday put it he called them like cash extraction module I understand right sure their end goal is to it's like those coin like when you're in the arcade and they have that coin pusher thing right it's like one of those so now I'm glad you made that analogy because those remind me a great deal of casinos sure and you know you have a lot of controversy lately with draftkings and FanDuel not saying can Christakis in the same category yeah but what I'm saying is like these are gay these are things designed to make you spend money that maybe you would not be willing to going in now not now that nothing shady happens there's never point in the game right it's like stealing your credit card sure and you're unknowingly giving it money yeah but they do sort of know how to operate along the lines of like oh you liked that didn't you right we can like how that made you feel didn't you well guess what first ones free next one's five down but the thing to keep in mind is like you unlike draft kings and stuff like that there's not a there's not a potential win money which makes it a big difference like this big leagues not gambling and it's not gambling it so that's where I would say it's not really a casino it's just like feed me fun feelings right essentially which is almost like worse and it's weird because I think people in the games industry are like so aware of it and what they're doing that you're sort of it like doesn't really work like I don't really pay for like freemium stuff in those games right neither do I&I wanted I want to know who those people are I think because I don't know your people and there's enough of them that that is pulling in 3 million dollar and not only it's not like oh I'm gonna buy five dollars every three months it's like I'm gonna drop a hundred hours on this game and it's the people that are like only playing candy crush only on their subway or whatever their commute or whenever they're playing it and they're like this is the only game I play I don't feel bad paying all this money and because of the way that it's drip fed they don't feel bad cuz it's like oh I'm not paying a hundred dollars a month i'm paying five dollars every week or whatever you know what i mean it's a filthy habit it's it's filthy but it's it's monetarily very effective it's enjoy a lot of money yeah and again like I'm not trying to say like now we have to stop freemium gaming I'm not playing that card because there are good ways to do it obviously hearthstone is a great example yeah freemium game you can I played a lot of horse stone without paying and it's you can still have fun you can't really be competitive in the like ranking system okay without paying I mean you have to grind and grind and grind and grind but you know they were there have been people that have made decks with only free cards and they actually did pretty well so there are games that do well but there are probably ways that they can monetize hearthstone even more and they're not I feel I just feel like I don't know maybe I need to like just come to terms and say hey or maybe we all collectively need to just be like you know what you know what the we need to put these guys in a different category what does that mean I don't know I don't know what do you first of all what do you mean by these guys let's break mobile freemium game okay and what do you mean by category I don't know I sound like I won't like segregated and so we gonna put them in camps yeah like that's oh that's not what I mean oh my god it's terrible i I just I don't I just feel slimy talking about this kind of it just so the shame of it to me it feels like what we had the way I view the lottery right like I view the lottery as a tax on the poor yeah that's how I well I would say its attacks on the stupid but and that's kind of how I label candy crush attacks on the stupid or and I mean and I'm not saying you're getting a service right and I'm not commenting I mean they were you mean the person who's listening to the show right now first getting all defensive being like why I give candy crush ten bucks a month right screw you Jeff you're just stupid idiot right I'm not trying to say that and I don't think any less he and you just want to put them in a camp I get up to sing up with like the collective you know holy i think the bummer of it especially for people that work in the games industry is that you see all these indie developers with amazing ideas being creative and stuff like that and very rarely does that stuff bubble up into financial success on the app store right because like even if you do something like what the hell is that like MC escher game oh you mean not now can't even think of it right you know i'm talking a journey journey face forward with the adventure on my phone King monument valley Monument Valley yeah which is like a really beautiful stylized fun to play yeah uh artsy single player yes no ads yes thing made a lot of money made a lot of money but like once you're done right that's it whereas I by TLC you could buy DLC but my point is like it didn't it wasn't this freemium thing right where it's like it's the gift that keeps on giving where I could keep you having to pump quarters into the Machine and it's also there's a design element to those games the freemium games that like banya value would not work as a freemium game because the idea of like oh I get to play one more level is not enough of it you know benefit for people right it's not enough of an incentive maybe I'm totally wrong and I'm not looking at it proportionally maybe someone out there's thinking look listen to this dickhead yeah who's complaining about candy crush saga and the willingness to like feed the drip machine rental thing when this kid probably grew up going to arcades we're like half of those games are designed to make you pop in a quarter to care for you is it the same thing well what was it the reason pinball was deemed illegal for anomalies because it wasn't game of skill and hello until it was proven to be a good skill I don't know I think we're talking about some of the same stuff yeah I know what you mean this is definitely not a skill thing although there is skill involved like most of the games are built with the mindset of like oh we're gonna make this just hard enough to make people pay look there are ways to make money and make money and premium and not be like super slimy super like demanding two dots is a good example of a great game that's freemium it's on Android it's on iOS that is excellent and you can pay money if you want to and there are whales obviously in that game but you know what can i say is it's it I i get the frustration um it's just it there there needs to be more of a conversation better right is that yes so I just don't know how I'm gonna convince someone that plays candy crush every day and that's the only game they play not give them all I'm not again I'm not I don't wanna like stop people on the subway and be like a ma'am if you need to stop what you're doing or here's the for your kids cancer like dating in today I'm not trying to do that I'm just trying to get it all out there now I know all right so that got me thinking and South Park a couple months ago or last year did a fantastic episode about freemium gaming yeah and part of the thing was like yeah the whole thing with freemium gaming is that you pay not to wait right so that got me thinking yesterday hey it's the year twenty thirty eight and now you don't have the time to wait and see a movie yeah well you can pay my service and my service 2038 that's now 2138 2138 it's now what like that exists right now on video on demand mmm okay mom sorry I'm jumping ahead you are okay and you're ruining this is going a hundred years in the future 120 years in the future yes 120 years ago at your my service at every high-tech will let you yeah have the memory of the movie without having to actually watch and see it so this is like eternal sunshine essentially no eternal sunshine the opposite is in our memory eraser we're giving you the memory all right it's the opposite of lacuna why would you because now it's good now maybe it works for like books too okay but that's like it's like yeah you're uploading information to your brain sure I so you don't want to wait to see Mad Max 48 yeah I'm gonna let you have seen it for more than the price to go watch it you're sundar Stan at what point cuz you guys the freemium network boy do you get your esta Mars is my question wise have to go to I have to go to Mars because it's totally go through you this is totally epistolary colors have you never seen totally I have what it's not about is total recall it they implant the whole company total recall is about they implant good memories into your brain but they fiercely use it to make him realize you ladies someone else uh-uh it's essentially don't worry oh my god that you hmm did I just try and redo total Rico dead no but you get what I'm saying right I get weird name I'm doing an armor I don't know why you would do movies though it seems like you could do much more fascinating things it can't be like experiences why I can't that the company we have this is the beta we haven't figured out how to have isn't a movie watching a movie and experience no it is it is okay it of you going to the theater my experiences there you go you're done it but I'm not offering the movie-going experience okay I'm not offering the theater-going experience I'm offering just the by the the open and shut instance okay of that film from start to finish you you your brain jar then have that memory of the film nothing else you won't be able to if you got pretty where you see not you won't be only one think back what you were wearing when you saw it okay you will just have the memory of the film so it's like reading the wikipedia page kind of but you can but you have visual memories you can you like I remit you see a movie you can you draw back to it you understand what you saw you process the visualization of it so it's like a two minute recap of an hour and a half long it's like mental cliff notes mental cliff notes that could exist like next year it's entirely five I don't think we need to jump 120 years in the future you be like the idea and I know what you're saying is that I like I want to watch the whole season of Fargo I want to see all breaking bed I can sit on my ass and pay and pay her twenty dollars all that time or i can give you 50 bucks and then I've experienced all of breaking bed without have that conversation that amount of time right I'd like the idea um yeah I don't know it doesn't seem that advanced to me you're crazy like we I'm not saying we won't get there what is it it's essentially like a memory download thing bro it's right it's the whole idea of like using our brains is like infinite hard drive right language like I'm sure we're a circuit whatever put Johnny Five reads the book in like a second right and he's like that was good book right but he that's like an OCR thing like he's using a optical recognition right and understanding it whereas like I'm saying no no it's just all that information it's implanted neroli like the matrix sure we're like you know you know kung fu well guess what now you know all seven seasons of breaking bad I like that's it's just the most worthless think I know make you ignite have it be anything else why is it's too dangerous yeah but you know people would you're like all we had that cuz out that back a large legacy I come in early the plot of total recall recall and is that it starts as an inane I can go on a vacation right I can't really I get it it's more like vanilla sky and we're way to have never seen those guys like you when you die you get like transported into like a vacation okay I think you're on vacation for her like they kick your soul yeah excuse me and do that pretty good but I'm yeah this is fun this is fun don't talk about that III think it's an interesting concept and I like the idea of boiling down the use of time like this all this time that you're wasting doing these things that you enjoy but it's just a lot of time you're wasting so why not pay a premium to not spend so much right and that's my rules right like you couldn't do it for a video game because video games interactive thing those experiment you do for like the story of a video can you can do for like only the cutscenes here but like for me I think the cool thing the cool rule with this is like no no it's only for content that's consumable like a TV show movie I don't know if you could do a book why because a book a book is interpreted differently by everyone because you're just reading and your the words yeah but if you're getting let's say a visual picture of know now yeah right yeah so you're getting a visual picture of all the letters on the page doesn't work like that when I think back to a book like when you think back to a book you've read do you think to what the words look like I'm really good fun haha Potter for all right I'm glad we had that conversation we're gonna take a break when we come back more 404 hey it's time to talk about softlayer clouds and soft layer whoo that's all you got I'm excited why its clouds confuse me and I hope that there's a company that could explain them to me I don't think software is gonna clear the air huh when God they're not going to explain close to you they're just gonna do a badass bang-up job at providing you clouds built for scale awesome for your business and all your computational applications and your workloads software's got you covered there an IBM company and they use IBM that is soft layers cloud infrastructure for all their foundation in the cloud alright that's great so awesome all kidding aside if cloud infrastructure something you're interested in as a listener of our show you can get five hundred dollars off any of their services by going to softlayer calm / podcast that could be bare metal servers virtual servers storage networking security services all of that five hundred dollars off go to cloud no there's no don't go to Clown go to softlayer calm / podcast tell them the 404 sent you you get five hundred dollars off hey welcome back to the 404 show uh we do not do drugs on this show no but not on this you may have thought something was involved in that last conversation uh which leads us to our next topic cuz it the great state of Ohio oh boy and what they didn't do yeah so I we don't talk too much about pot on the show now I'm sorry we reference it a bunch occasionally ah don't do drugs is number one yeah number two it's kind of shocking to me and this is just like a one-off thing we can move on quickly it's a little shocking to me that Ohio um rejected the recreational pot do you know how close the vote was I do not cuz it surprised me in general just because there's so much benefit for the states like that's what I don't understand I believe I read something recently that's a Colorado officially made more money off taxing pot than alcohol yeah that might like once you read stuff like that yeah you kind of go huh the only thing I can think of is if it sort of depends on how powerful the police unions are because you take pot off the market and the cops get a lot less to do and that might be an issue I'm you know that's sort of like a very simplistic way to look at it but I details and I think the point i think the whole point of getting that kind of legislation passed yeah is to avoid them having to deal with the pot so they could work on other stuff yeah so you can have bigger I fish their concern was that they would get less funding if they don't like if you're in the middle of nowhere Ohio and you don't have a cartel down the street and all you have is a bunch of kids that deal pot every once awhile now you don't have that anymore and maybe you'll get less funding and Mabel cutback cops I don't know I don't know but all I slippery's Ohio refusing to legalize marijuana as shocking as it is and you know hi Oh is is Ohio historically a red or blue state I feel like me it's a it's a sweet swing state all right so they may be they get a pass I mean let's be honest Louisiana is probably never going to legalize pot it'll have to be a federal thing which I think Bernie Sanders just put forth to make it to ban federal labels a federal criminality of pot right well that's always up for conversation either way you slice it in 2016 the presidential election year ten states are going to probably bring that before voters including Nevada California Massachusetts Michigan Arizona Vermont mean Florida Missouri I'm sorry Missouri and rhode island so there's ten more states are going to have their chance to not look like total jackasses I feel like someone's just gotta make a stand federally and be like yep we're gonna do it or no we're not good I don't get this in too much of a political thing but like if I'm a strategic Republican politician yeah helping out one of these guys that might get the nomination I go look there's a bunch of things that we disagree with that the vast majority come right in favor of ya gay marriage which is right we can't find that final all right and then legalizing pot on birth control yeah she like you want to look like the good guy right you wanna you want to get people who would never even consider you that's just what I'm saying well that was the plots of and that's low how was the last season of The West Wing was that plot well you had a moderate Republican that was like pro a bunch of stuff that like most people were Pro right it's just something to think about you know think about it politician think about it no one died from overdosing on pot think about that I did yeah it's it is people do need to be careful though because you have all these dispensaries opening up people you be careful with what with have you tried overdose and like died but you can overdose it like really is it lose it of course like really do something and and driving while really out of it illegal I did write wonders and it is illegal right um but need to be careful and I think yeah yeah the concern is that you have all these dispensaries popping up and they sort of have it's not like alcohol where people sort of understand for the most part this is going to get me drunk I know how much I'm gonna drink that's going to get me drunk one drink an hour whatever it is um with weed especially with like a brownies way tougher to understand you don't know what the content of the consistency is how much is in there etc so yeah you got to be careful at least get marijuana off the schedule one yeah it's it's crazy you know what else is on schedule one what heroin that was a brand name actually for pink or heroin yeah is right yeah they have vicodin scheduled to that's below pot bikes they called on the street bikes greenies we're greenies in this acid yeah same categories marijuana ecstasy yeah ever see what that does to kids no good all right we're going to get rid of the pots up this is an amazing discovery this cash that Russ found last week that we did not have time to because we were with jordan hoffman who by the way it was excellent alight at the White I don't have any like interesting factoid about John Hoffman used to be a new york city tour guide so knows all these crazy facts about New York City history that's weird yeah like the guy on the bus this is the guy on the bus Hey look to your right there's a city hall yeah underneath that is Canal Street because there's a canal under there there you go that's cool so uh this okay totally different subject um or at least be totally passed yeah um so Russ you on earth yep a thread from Mac forums which is a very highly frequented Mac up enthusiast website yes and you pulled up a thread they had in their forums from october 23rd 2001 yep do you know what happened on that day no I can't even believe this was a website right in two thousand key is in the diamondbacks were duking it out in the World Series and uh it was a month after I love it alright that's about but something very big did happen that day and that was the official reveal of a new Apple device called the ipod so this is crazy this is like a time capsule yeah fourteen years ago almost to the day of this like thread where people are like what is this really bizarre so now why'd you put in any way better in here there's some really interesting commentary commentary from people that didn't know anything I mean that the whole thread is just called Apple's new thing and then ipod and parenthesis and people were saying like I poop I cry I was hoping for something more great just the world what the world needs another freaking mp3 player go Steve where's the Newton oh wow were you barking up the wrong tree what about like forged dollars for an mp3 player I mean that's still not unreasonable asst all you wussies waiting for a newton replacement I told you it was a media player charged by firewire god that sounds crazy in I love these old threads they just like it's such a relic of another time 20 gigs yeah they're all freaking out about the forger dollar price tag and they're talking also about like the competition right so they're already two products similar to this on the market the Nomad jukebox yep I remember that thing and then the archos jukebox this is good this guy traveller says we live in the year two thousand one not 6,000 not 6,000 years from now when ridiculously awesome technology will exist no other mp3 player has a hard drive like this five gigs yeah a real about the same size has 64 Meg's I mean that is really telling yet that's a crazy yeah that's the thing oh how much more memory this thing and and if you remember in hindsight's twenty-twenty but if you remember when that when the ipod debuted I'm my buddy Bobby got one yeah I think he had the first one and I couldn't under a BB it was thick it was oh yeah this thing is I was like almost like a deck and a half of cards yeah I would say it's about a deck of cards he was man i think it's bigger dat bigger it was like a mini VHS tape uh that thing had so much more memory than anything else yeah and it was so much that you didn't like I was like what am I gonna do with five gigs that's an outrageous amount of space obviously now not so much but and and it like looked good like all the other mp3 versus a movie it was he a super sexy and it didn't have to touch it or was just but now is just hard buttons headed for screen has a dream to color screen or one color screen here's a really good post number 41 from beholder of truth you're all a bunch of imbecile nimbus i'll cry babies oh my god Peppa driving is all in bold yes olive Oh put your avian gone over the specs and all you can do is whine and cry because you didn't get a Newton get a life as I'm about to just you know diarrhea out why I'm such an apple fanboy I bet all you do is troll Mac BBS is criticizing apple and how they can never meet your stupid way out of this world expectations new line all caps this thing is amazing it's not just another mp3 player it's a breakthrough mp3 player let's go over this number 15 gigabyte ultra-slim hard drive all on a tiny and beautiful enclosure the size of a deck of cards there's so many does any mp3 player out there you have anything like that I don't think so only huge crap-ass ones like a nomad jukebox I mean you think this was steve jobs doing this thing fits in your palm or in your pocket and then the next one all caps firewire edited by Steve like Steve in the factory in China doing this Steve transmitted one gigabyte of data onto the device in about two minutes one gigabyte does any mp3 player out there do this didn't think so you've doing five hours on your Nomad to load up 20 minute is good for thanks I mean it goes on it does go on doubles as a storage device 10 hour battery auto think apples beautiful and intimate I mean say what you will i mean this guy was right and so far as it was a pretty groundbreaking thing he's very excited about it is he yeah a little mixer i think a little excited the whole post it's like 500 words the whole post is in bold it's yeah he was very curious which is like when people do that a message board you like who's this guy enough already yeah uh yeah it's funny i wanna if anyone knows of other forum threads from like big days in tech posted in the in the subreddit or email us because we definitely kind of fun looking at these old threats if we can match half of the awesomeness of this one yeah it's pretty great i would love to do it all right uh we're stealing this next topic from our / our thoughts if you've never been to reddit com / r / showerthoughts it's a bastion of weird crap that people think out of nowhere and I I would hope some of them actually do come from the shower I have weird thoughts the moment of clarity in there yeah when I'm fighting fake insects alright when you're not hallucinating uh this is pretty funny this came about 12 hours ago from the time we're recording this the the title is Batman is also all of these showerthoughts are just like simple one sentence ideas that are just like whoa ya know Batman is a one percenter beating up the mentally ill criminally insane yeah I think criminally insane is like the better way to say it I mean that is but he is a one percenter there's no doubt about that definitely one percenter and he does beat up people back he does give back and maybe he doesn't just beat up the mentally ill even though I or maybe he doesn't be definitely I'm all of his villains are pretty sick in the head right they're not they're not well is there like one Batman villain that's like a kingpin it that's just like I just wanna see my penguin like penguin doesn't seem to be he's got that parents think he's thing with his parents got abandonment issues what about um yeah I guess calendar man yes like crazy he's obsessed with calendar yes uh mr. freeze mr. dad's wife got everyone so emo and they've all got some little baggage they gotta deal with uh there is no oh what about Falcone Falcone is probably not mentally oh right the crime boss crime boss Falcone Falcone is that anyone who does not go any right like that he seems to be stable enough yeah cuz it's only priority is just like committing crime and make money is that case Falcone cannon or falconis yeah he's like a character in there yeah well he's a guy yeah yeah it's crazy so I think he's the only one but that's true I mean it's probably merely a schizo what about like Harley Superman is everyone he fights crazy they're mostly like alien Lex Luthor's like mad with power yeah but I wouldn't say he's he's mentally ill he's not yeah unless you like one account like megalomaniacal as mental illness but and that's more of just like a don't know if that's in the DM five or did whatever the dsm-5 no that's in there probably not yeah yeah that's uh you know Batman's trying to do the fight the good fight but it's true that he does have some he just wants to convince them that what they're doing is wrong and they're they're not having it Joker's like now I'm gonna do what I want the the comic book now the new 52 yeah well right what is it the do Jim Gordon is now been here about that I guess it's kind of a spoiler but if you like it's fine if you're not reading that if you're behind to fast-forward a minute uh in that story line right now Jim goes bad so Bruce Wayne dies yeah the Batman dies has he died before uh I don't know he died it's kind of animal he's fighting Joker her after this thing called end games like the ark I think they called it and him in the Joker fall like underneath Gotham near like the Lazarus pits ok and they're fighting and they both kill each other they both died okay in like an ultra punch it was like that both KO are they're done uh and then Jim Gordon yeah is like we gotta keep we got keep the sheep on Batman alive for bama becomes this like government contracted entity okay where Batman was like a suit and Batman just stands for something ok Jim Gordon gets fit gets bought yeah and assumes the suit and now he's Batman he's got like a team of people and help him out and still got the mustache yeah ok he's like shaves his head cool but new twist Bruce Wayne's back obviously cuz he got killed by the Lazarus Pit one of course a lot with no memory of being Batman Oh No so what does he remember he just from he I don't know what he remembers it's it's is he like a ten-year-old boy again no he's like a he's like an older dude but he just doesn't remember anything and like he's hanging out with this girl and she's trying to convince him he's back at Wayne Manor and he understands his legacy but he doesn't remember the Batman side ok I feel like what they're gonna do is they're like I'm like fake kill his parents that's the only way to do it I'd be good yeah it's cool you have to cast for that or i don't know i guess the pearls yeah you gotta really make sense and work but that's where that that uh that comic is headed right now that's in Crime Alley was that the official name of that street was crying out I think that was the nickname they gave it okay well because he go cuz you know yeah because there's a an issue with her talking about it again crime alley yeah alright so that's that we're going to take one more break when we come back we'll finish things up with a this and that various things with some monkeys hey with some tech stuff whoa and the product hunt game of the week stay tuned more for for right after this hey do you need a website i do my I've had that construction gift playing for about 15 years you can't make that joke again Russ did I make a checker I feel like you've 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runs out they do the prices right they do they're like a deal they do their news but then they do soap operas yes I always wanted to know why does it seem like soap operas have better picture quality better HD definition picture then perhaps regular TV programming what is all that sure and they have this glow about right better is obviously subjective but it looks weirdly crisper right like I don't like sharper and like more bright so I've always wondered like just what the hell's going on yeah so there was a great post about this on the explain like I'm five subreddit we're obviously pulling from reddit quite a bit today but that's cool they make good content and the post was essentially why do soap operas seem like they have a higher definition picture than regular TV programming and this guy SS six am-6 is his username apparently says it says this he says soap opera lighting is the major reason that shows look the way they do backlighting part of the three-point lighting setup often used in television production helps lift actors out of the background so it makes them more dimensional right this is especially useful productions that are shot on lower quality medium or in small interior sets which soaps often are so essentially by lighting them a certain way it's taking away the backgrounds which are kind of shoddy and like crappy like they could do this on like SNL right and they're out and they do essentially yeah you know it's using similar lighting techniques actors the foreground often wind up being very noticeably backlit something that doesn't often happen which shows on lar with larger sets or shows that a record on film right and the video stuff changes things to I I don't think a lot of shows are shot on film anymore yeah but that dad used to be a thing this is also interesting so soaps and other low pitches also look off because they're more evenly lit across the entire set because it allows them to shoot from multiple cameras at once so ordinarily when you're like a shooting a breaking bad there's just one camera and you have to do it multiple times but with soaps and obviously like three cameras it comes like friends and whatever they are using multiple cameras at once so they don't have to like constantly reduce stuff so they can get it done really quick so the whole set needs to be late not just the part where the camera is pointing at the moment right so it's interesting I I never thought about that but very fascinating wonderful world of lighting for TV that is not an easy job I mean it is tough to light and you know even the the freaking videos we do here in the studio next door but you gotta got like thirty five lights on a grid sure and it's still not good enough like you still got a maneuver and MacGyver stuff and make stuff work yeah but you got to imagine for like a soap opera they have very consistent sets of course and and essentially oh this is a two-person seen in such and such as apartment and this evil twin is going to come through the door and this is our lighting setup for it and it's got to be pretty consistent right obviously I mean need to make changes is not easy work but I don't know that they're doing a ton of like okay let's try to figure this out every scene you know right I don't know how they does the amount of shooting that they do for like law and order on the streets blows me away because there's so much logistics required for that it's like crazy to me yeah you just walk outside and it's law and order I think as for you chilling out so we're in a lot of really awesome developments in lighting for uh production yeah there's all those like hanging Chinese lantern looking ones they're like Blum lighting realize we're like are just first bait lighter they just like space real well they're like almost like hot air balloon yeah that are like it's really impressive stuff and they can they eat they light evenly and yeah I mean there's just really awesome stuff out there and I guess the lenses have gotten better yeah I me like you don't I and believe it or not like a lot of stuff they don't always use lights anymore really yeah like not everything is shot with lights I know Kubrick shot one of his movies with just candle light right I don't know I think he did but that's pretty impressive I'm not saying you know lighting is going away I'm just saying like with a lot of really awesome you know low light detection with cameras yeah they don't allow you to have this amazing right it's it start like you can choose to do it don't want think it's got it can be done with just your iPhone sure but it's not necessarily you know something you always have to have all those gaffers out of the job well they'll be okay poor gaffers they'll figure it out um all right I'll let's go to uh this story about the Boston Garden and there's just like myth about the Boston Garden monkey yeah I've never heard of this I need you to I didn't I didn't hear about this until very recently I need you to tell me just what the hell the Boston Boston Market and said the Boston Garden monkey is yes he real what is he what is you represent and why are we talking about so the Boston Garden first of all let me say weird animal facts done all right very right the Boston Garden was the old Boston arena it's where the Celtics played probably other sports teams played there too whoo the Bruins may here you go okay they play there as well great hockey hockey so that garden it closed 20 years ago actually back in September was the anniversary of when it closed but there was this rumor going around when they were dismantling it so they're taking apart 20 years ago and the rumor was that the construction workers found a mummified monkey in the rafters of the building rafters they were in yeah that's above it yeah so is it was above it in the upper section instruction workers encountered something but to a peculiar in the garden about halfway through the building demolition workers found the remains of a monkey in the rafters Thursday and they were even moved to pause for a moment of silence a hard hats in hand so this happened no one like people are like skeptical of whether they actually found the monkey people were trying to figure out what it could have been so like in 1998 they were speculating that Ringling Brothers when it came to the Boston Garden maybe there's a monkey that vanished Ringling Brothers denied that they even looked too apparently in the 1930s there's a new story uh here's the headline monkeys evade capture hold own circus amid Boston Garden rafters oh my gosh back in the nineteen thirties uh and a bunch of monkeys escaped uh and we're like causing a problem another headline monkeyshines continued at garden bananas trap only two of the truth so they're using bananas to try to trap these monkeys in the 1930s unfortunately they did some DNA testing and it turns out the monkey that they found the mummified monkey was not um was not one of these monkeys ok so they went to the when they went to the extent of DNA testing yes so it's freakin gross it's weird it's gross what is it what so what's going on so they found they really did find a monkey right and what's even weirder is that the guy one of the guys who was the senior vice president of Mercia diesel which i guess was in charge of demolition totally denied this actually happening so we have the construction workers saying we found this monkey we even there's a todos airport photos yeah well at this point there were no photo they hadn't surfaced yet right and the guys like absolutely not I was in charge of the project and believe me I would have known it's an urban legend there were pigeons there were rats there were no monkeys like and what's the like why not admit that there's lucky likewise lonely well there so we're gonna find out in a second so so that's how the story ends this Boston Gore boston.com story which came out in September apparent out it works out uh-uh so this is a follow-up story from Boston com um that was published actually just I think a day ago yeah yesterday I'm sure is today this is earlier this morning and this is from the construction workers along with photos of them finding the monkey and yeah posing with it around the stadium including one picture of the monkey on the fleet center sign which was the stadium that was gonna ruin the Boston Garden it upsets me that they were like throwing this carcass around they even talked about the fact that like why didn't the guy know that guy from Moore's diesel who was in charge of the conundrum why didn't know so they said we hid it from Morris diesel for a couple days and they came looking for it we actually put it in an electrical panel where we parked our cars we hid it in there Oh My they're hiding the monkey cuz there were they were gonna get in trouble or whatever this is so weird really bizarre but this is legit like there's been speculation there's a lot of proof and a lot of mump a monkey mummy photos here leaning up again they like posed it in various spots around the garden it's terrible that they posed it it is sad so it but they don't know where it's from no they still have no idea what the source the monkey was that I I think it's gonna be circus my guess would be Ringling Brothers probably wouldn't admit to the fact that they lost the monkey because they might open them up to like litigation right so by who I don't know the Kong family yes king and his wife had weird it's a weird one Russ even this one he's like to take a photo with a monkey in like a weird like wooden chair yeah it's it's a weird story maybe i'll link to this in the show no too weird ones we can get with I want to know x yeah i wanna weird animal facts oh you know you never know how whoa how it's gonna go but i need to know where this guy came from and was there any sort of like legend attached to him like did he was he responsible for like a dearth of championships well it's but the problems they didn't find the monkey until it was being demolished and also the celtics did pretty well yeah so you know who knows no I guess the Bruins probably were pretty good 24 I don't remember how the Bruins were in the Andes ah but yeah that's so if so if you know anything about the monkey if it's your monkey it's okay it's been 20 years that your limitations is done you can come forward let us now so we're just very odd so weird for monkey what a story what a story finally we'll finish things up with the product hunt game of the week Russ what uh okay product on Game of the Week is a game called the room three okay so i usually when you do these they're like I've never heard I'm like okay great this game will be flavor the week four seconds and then we'll move on with our lives yes but I really like the room okay because the room uh is a really cool sort of puzzle is I guess it's what we call like a puzzle like I'm interactive toughest but like less like obtuse and annoying it's just like you got open a box yeah and you gotta figure out your like moving levers and like holding down secret it's like a puzzle box and you like hold down secret elements and yeah and slowly but surely you open this box and each layer has like a new puzzle for you to solve and it looks gorgeous and yeah the second one was great too and this is the third entry in the room series now I was excited up until a point where i was told i cannot play this game that's true why can i not play this game because you are in an apple newton know you're on an android that's not on android so for the record the room one and two are on android yeah but i don't think they launched on android no they don't wait until like three years from now because the the developer of the room hates Andrew fireproof games now they don't hate Android they just know what that means right that's the thing you release and they probably got really good promotion indosiar app store I'm chef I'm sure by being exclusive how much is it I don't know actually I don't really think about these things cuz I don't pay for games just happy answered I play four games no I know you do what uh how much is it's five bucks okay i was gonna say that's the sweet spot for 99 right yep yeah you can't like hat and how many hours do there's anywhere ever say how many of the um uh no i don't know how many hours but the first game was i would say probably about two hours maybe an hour and a half second game was it a little bit longer than that so i would say in that realm so it's not gonna last you forever but I you know it's not know five dude five if I get an afternoon yeah it's like Monument Valley yeah I would say that's great so check it out the room three out on iOS the app store right now yep Russ Jeff we did it did it we made it have each the end of another fantastic week you'll be gone next week and go Sam I don't know what we're gonna do we haven't figured it out don't have any amazing guests on we're not going to do that uh I don't I'll try and figure something out I think we're supposed to maybe have uh Katie linendoll back yeah you know her right so we'll see what we can do but don't worry I'll communicate what we will do on the reddit and the Twitter's so stay in touch that way what is your twitter account you it is at Jeff Bakalar and your what at Russ rustic your you're at Russ fresh day yes ok so follow us stay in touch with the show reddit.com / r / 240 for you want to give us a phone call go for it but my phone number I haven't had a good call in a month 866 404 cnet and that's going to do it for us this week thanks so much for tuning in until next time I'm Jeff Bakalar I'm Ross rustic this has been the 404 show high tech lowbrow also don't worry Jill Schlesinger is coming back at some point think December you know her yep you've been on with her yeah no I mean that you've chisholm it on with you here he'll think so all right we're gonna cross that bridge yeah all right thanks so much guys we'll see you next time