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aunt Jill schlessinger how are you Jill fantastic so great to be here how come your dogs are in here I know I thought about it they turned eight months yesterday and I said to my girlfriend maybe I should bring the girls down to the 404 and she's sort of like uh has that going to work I hadn't gotten that far but I just knew that Jeff would have such a great time I so I've thought about bringing my dog to the office and you know like like how you probably were thinking on paper brilliant in practice terrible the logistics are kind of horrified as with two dogs to be one if it was one dog for I live nearby here right now I think you would have been crazy you've been freaking out the whole time Charlie stop on the rug it's so funny because I should show Justin these have I got these like wireless bluetooth headphones because I when I would go out and listen to podcasts while I was walking them I'd lean over cuz I keep eating so much stuff on that I feel like they're biting it there but I can't do anything so now I look like you know people say oh where'd you get those headphones yeah so cool i'm like 'oh their dog had fun that's all about has nothing to do with technology have you so in your life have you ever had dogs before yes i met with my ex I had two dogs two cairn terriers oh we got different times they look pretty similar to the doctor but one was insane like we adopted them when they were older yeah so like one and two years old and I don't no one was really always insane a little bit yeah and so that was fun I had those two dogs and I grew up with a Yorkie like princess dog we had like a fat your key so she had like at it so my closer to a terrier in terms like a large my girlfriend all about the labs like gray black lab I to go forever so that's like how did James inter to get the think it's a good middle ground I think that's what i said to her i said you know the thing is about a terrier it's not like she really doesn't like lap dogs so i said you gotta have a bowl personality in that little dog so I said it has a big dog personality in a little body and then we ran into one on the street maybe five or six years ago she says on men yeah just to this five or six years its like you with kids just took you five or six years was is that what happened you ran into a baby on the street yeah we ran to a baby uh who was who's asking us for directions and then it was weird just after that I was like show my god you're charming that kid is cute eat my babies kid I just so for everybody i had seen I'm not following your daily trials and tribulations with your child's so Jeff just showed me a video baby yesterday and I immediately sent Stacey know like oh my god this kid is ridiculous it's he is so cute it's getting to the point yeah I mean I can't detach myself from being his father and you know sort of like say okay objectively this child is yeah but I can but you can I can I'm not even you could say he's a jerk or are we he was a jerk but it would be like oh nice you know I wouldn't have necessarily gone over bright i feel like i have sat through so many peoples pictures jerk kids yeah and there are times where you're like that kid is not cute and by the way not a good athlete i might come on like I was an athlete in college so people like oh look at my kid played this I'm like that kid can't throw like whatever like her elbow is not above her shoulder it ain't working like sorry mom not happening sometimes it just doesn't work out and you got him face facts early in life yeah here's what I think the best way to do it you have a tumblr or something that you can lock down and you give people the password if they want to look they can if they look they totally brilliant and that's what we do Facebook is just like yeah can I tell you the funniest thing one time this is like old school we're out to dinner with this old old friend of my girl so wait old friend or they were actually old like 70 well knew them from a while ago new from the from a long time ago that's like you know just like your partners like your partner's old friends and some of them you really like it's like whatever it's whatever hadn't seen Rowland so uh she's a lesbian with these three kids and somehow she thinks that because I to him a lesbian that I really wanted to look through a stack which was like two and a half inches thick of photos like this is before we had iphones sarah so evidently i didn't even realize this but in the middle of like looking at them I must have completely zoned out cuz Jackie kicked me so hard on the table but I was like duh she said these are just kid photos know what they turned into something else they just were so many of them yeah but that's not a lesbian thing that's on everyone okay but I felt like it was one of those like I mean may have been earlier before many of our contemporaries who had children I just was weird I just was like why I don't care about your head I care about like my sister's kid yeah I mean and and Jackie's so good cuz she feigns interest in everything or like people just think she's a nicest person ever and I was like how do you even do that was sorry I don't know how she did it but I I was so bad that I couldn't even really like I was just like oh yeah around doing this attention there are limits so you were just looking through the photos I was like you were just so young again oh here's this kid and they're not even they weren't very good-looking kids again I think now it's fine because everyone just puts on facebook and you seen on facebook and maybe you'll get like a phone shot world someone will be like hey here's a picture but that's the extent of it no one can you is how here's how I've decided to navigate those potentially treacherous waters brutal honesty yeah this brute I mean look I I am bombarded and annoyed / nauseated by how many baby photos occupy facebook yes too much yeah um I don't like where Facebook's become that's why I'm not on it that much so what Stacy and I wanted to do and this is our choice and we're not exactly you know we're not we're not we're not judging people who / share with their and maybe were just a second i was gonna say come on we judge overshare you just have to you have to figure your own to yourself right so what we do is maybe there's like three dylan photos on facebook total emo on and they're primo and we're just like look this is what it is hot here we have like raw suggested with the private tumblr we have a viber channel yeah uh texting banking and I have that Viper by the way whether you're shocked about that I'm not shocked at all do you want in on that uh yeah group yeah so anyway Jackie would want that where we post all the videos great that's a good thing I like that it's an opt-in I feel like Facebook with all their technology could be like you're posting a lot of baby photos mute it for everyone else it's funny I think I don't know it's a babyface radio they definitely know so I did a story on that a while ago where uh they were talking about sort of offering this off like side-loaded section of the site where you could upload all of the photos that nobody else wants to see your stupid kid right and give selected friends on facebook access to that I'll be good which is smart yes then you're uh you know you're you're not annoying everyone else yeah I I feel like I'm starting to see things on Facebook that I should not be seeing like I should know not like graphics not rare tell me your birth but like what do we like the fourth you know level connection stuff I was like like below never your friends as in here's a fat I'm like I don't give a sh I mute all the time I'm very I did something very aggressive this morning okay i'm facing defriended a thousand people know I should have but you know I have a public I have like a just a public page and some I don't put that many personal photos in that public page a few times here and there because i'm not interested in maintaining two different things so last night I took my nieces and my nephew to see colbert and I mean since I put just a picture of like the Marquis of the Ed Sullivan Theater in a picture of the four of us together was just totally fun yeah and and I posted it I'm like totally fun loved this like great night so some dude oh I can say it actually i was about to think i was on broad yeah i was gonna say that some d-bag yeah says colbert sucks what okay i literally would saw was it whatever and like we're end of a friend of a friend basically and I was like I said dude I literally wrote a reply i said i would really prefer you not make a remark like this on a post that i just put up here it's obviously my family with job then I remove the post yeah after he saw well you could can't remove just his comment so i removed his i removed his column was not Europe but then I almost defriended him but then I was like this is one of these lunatics is gonna come like chase me down have you experienced anything like that before uh read a lot like the shades land no no in terms of like negative Annette stuff yes ok I have I mean like because whatever i'm on the broadcast right so I had like somebody like like every time I do a segment on ctm I get some asshole who like says something horrible to me and I'm like whatever and one guy I he like totally picked a fight with me and I decided was gonna have him on my radio show oh my god why'd you do that I'm an idiot because I was like oh you know what like maybe I'll just give him a voice yeah there's a few note I mean like like so I said to him offline so then I have him on the radio show he was horrible he tapes it and then he puts it up like on youtube or something like the audio of was a terrible thing because we never put it up on our show yeah because he was such an asshole about like he said something he sends an email to david rhodes the president of CBS News saying like your business financial advisor analyst is you know a fraud and I was just like oh they say if you guys miss a cookie well doesn't I got a lot to do before you started running for president yeah I mean I see something oh my god so yeah I mean and you know by the way I just got a letter from someone in prison which was very nice yeah like prisoners have a lot of financial advice watching ctm yeah so what I was a little bit nervous though and also by the way when you get letters that are sent to CBS they like they scan them and check them that they're no one's trying to tell you it was amazing and and so I I open it up and I said I can just throw this out why am I going to read this and then I thought oh my god that's so mean like what does a person just wanting to like say like I liked your segment but what it was was something between a nice note and a creepy note because it was like I think that you should wear tighter so everyone in Block C hoping for this so I was like okay that was injured because it started off with like I really loved the work you Jerry was from a guy yeah tummies barking up the wrong tree hey I'm back wrong wrong footed pneus but uh so weird remember Jeff when i was on a one time we're i was on the show and then someone said I just saw aunt Jill in the subway like tweeted that yeah is so weird to me and then I saw someone like the indian restaurant if I hope you've come up to you right yeah but not like a ton sure yeah someone came up to me in the dog run on the Upper West Side and was like Jess you on TV this morning I'm like yeah yeah stay away keep your dog like my dog you'll get along just fine I've had a couple and it's usually fine and people are actually cool very nice um weirdly the most i've ever been a bike mentioned is when i was in a cab TV thing oh really I'm so cool everyone saw that's awesome because everyone yeah I have nothing look I just telling general turning you off yeah I just told Jeff that I had done some spots for American Express I did some voiceover stuff and I said you know like someone was like dude you see ya Joe lot of TV spot of radios but whatever and it was so funny and I was like yeah you did it's okay yeah not a big deal but it's a weird thing to go like from having a more anonymous life short having this life where you actually sort of have to be public like honestly I said to Anthony Mason so he's the economics guy the evening news and he does a ton of stuff he's like you know what before the world of social media like I didn't no one really recognize me on the street normally commented to me so it's almost like he had this huge job and people were like you look familiar but I don't exactly know who you are I kind of dig that idea yeah I would have been a cool thing to live in that time I mean it's still I think there's certainly limits like obviously Angelina Jolie can't walk on the street or like Aziz Ansari recently wrote about the fact that each I can't walk down the street but like us I know I know it's like a lot of athletes have a two were like yeah unless you're a super concert unless you're a hockey player yeah or a hockey player which by the way I've talked on that's a great and they're like it is the yeah yeah take the helmet I like you know yeah nobody knows the best thing like if I'm in you know the arena forget about a second I leave no Joe Schmo I can I go on my right you know that you know where in jersey with their name in fact I got a my buddy Mike uh who's a huge devils fan as well was in hoboken last a couple weeks 0 NE sees a devil and the devil was so shocked that he knew who he was at that was like wait a minute that's very I am he's like yeah you lee stempniak what's up like score tonight that's all that is so good like and you know obviously once it happened they they're not ungrateful that's coolest thing a photo like that's or even Aziz moment though for a second you like the show you know watch the first two episodes when I am so I've only heard free I've heard reaction from about three people who all love it I thought I mean I even while I watched first 5 i'd seen watched five yeah I really like it I don't really like it I'll and the first omeprazole and I like the pace of it and I think it's totally cool to hear a guy talk about things that just aren't talked about on television which I think that's sort of the gift I mean he actually annoyed me on Parks and Rec a little bit I was not the biggest disease fan I don't want to say I am I'm just not a fan of his standup yeah but I don't think he's I don't think he's unfunny i will give you show a chance yeah I do think I mean Louie was obviously the progenitor of that format of show and I think he's definitely following that model but it obviously is shot completely differently and his style and his like youth is obviously a totally different vibe from the Louis show but I think it's great and I think until it's sort of little bit less angry than Louis yeah which I again I think goes to the age yeah his style yak you know obviously comic uh comedians get older and there's like more of an edge to them but Aziz is sort of he's 30 he's our age Jeff and I and he just doesn't sorry I'm sorry that was really bad uh I a man chill for a mere much younger than I ya know I have a big birthday coming up next month don't say a word yeah again uh so I'm just saying do it's next month uh-huh no way ha yeah how do you come on give it a me you can be 45 50 shut up you're not supposed to say my agent is gonna kill Nate down you know what's funny my agent says he's like don't tell anybody you're turning 50 I was like okay there's this thing called the Internet yeah and fill it doesn't matter because even though there isn't internet people still don't look right okay that's probably true but I mean anyone who went to my facebook page would just look at every single person that I'm friends with from high school you could do the exact same thing I'd be like look at every single one of these people in scarsdale high school oh how interesting okay and just figure out the year obviously but um but that said Young turning 50 yeah I'm sorry it's awesome except my body's breaking down but no why what's wrong your body cuz im an aging and apparently it's fantastically your writer prisoners want you to wear shoes yes exactly running is not good for you it is not it really is it so I was do you run well I'm sort of on hiatus what about like elliptical it's old Jewish lady like oh my mother's on the elliptical is that exactly see what I'm saying did you hear what I'm saying like okay so here's the deal so I played soccer and lacrosse in college yeah yeah and so you know whatever I had like a I did a lot of damage to my body Shirley and I have been a runner later you know throughout my life and I was down to two days a week you know 25 mile runs a week something big nothing crazy okay and and things are just happening yeah bad hip yeah the hip gets better that's the right hip well now the webcam the machine is breaking down ladies and gentlemen I mean you're still physically fit and you're still active and get the issue is the second you get an injury you can't run anymore or yeah it's like really and then so it piles up on you right and running is so brutal on the joints cuz you're putting someone to wait so I'm a bike bicyclist my team I like to bike you fall yeah and then I had one of those did I know you when I blew out my shoulder in Central Park oh I don't think so yeah that was in two thousand I literally like just started CBS yeah and I got into a bike accident in Central Park and pulled over my oh why'd you do that it was bad it was bad and it was just it was an accident i would not would blame it on anybody doing anyone Brad suing anyone um so uh it was you know what I was riding close to a guy and I said tailgating on your right yeah and he moved right he moved right yeah and weird brand thing yeah and it happens with skiing all the tab salute like now so it was an accident he felt so bad and I flipped over and I was just Adam hope so i blew out my shoulder you know I had a and so like then I was like I'm very I'm much more careful about but now that I the dogs I don't care because I walk like five miles a day and as long as you're active while we're on the subject of self diagnosing yes um I got know if I broke my thumb right let me see it there it is that's kind of fat did you get not compare compare the two thumbs okay so i had the same injury on this on my left phone another both see this bump yeah yeah that happened right when the injury happened this is perfectly fine okay yeah this one didn't get the bump but I have the scene pain it goes away what I'm just doing now right this is uh when Tuesday night I say this if it doesn't feel a lot better by money already feels a little bit all right you're gonna probably fine it just hurts yeah didn't I tell you when I broke my toe of chasing the dogs when I first got them it was a funniest thing I broke my toe reason is it kill it kid fall to the floor yeah and they can't do anything and I did in the street oh they was there but still like it was bad it's it's like the worst thing and they're like tape it together and oh right there's nothing you can do now eight weeks your son all right Oh back to my thumb like whatever it's gonna be fine what did you put ice on it when you first have did alright so should I keep icing it no it's done now so yeah I know there's nothing you could do yeah I take some valium look fat right it's a fair oh I see like recreationally it does look fat it's swollen for sure is it swollen damn it yeah I just bruised the bone you think maybe add my father would say it was a deep bone like the day viest hockey injury could possibly get like lose some teeth bro I weren't cage I'm smarter than that okay come on I lose some teeth brother yeah you know man how about our Mets we haven't even had a conversation it's all of our men oh yeah you too I was that don't game they won at least oh it was a rough go but you don't have you so in my mind I feel I don't feel so bad about the loss because I really even though we were close in every game they say we could have won I think they could have but I felt like they just didn't have it in them while I tell you the truth after the first game I was in a car driving from New Jersey to DC and should have won that first game and when they didn't win that like their dad that's exactly where al yeah took a lot I don't know though I mean that teams I'm not taking anything away from royals are really good the problem the Mets had no answer for was like you put enough balls in play yeah back Cory right and that's where my name they why they blew him out but yes you put the ball in play enough times against the Mets in their defenses have said they lose the game yeah all right we gotta take a break when we come back I know this is like an ass like a fantastic Jill and Jill Schlesinger homecoming I love it probably get to some topics that are current relevance but if we do if we don't so what okay I got some technology questions for all right great more 404 right after this stick around this very special rerun episode of the 404 show is brought to you by softlayer softlayer delivers a cloud built for privacy softlayer is an IBM company and in fact iBM uses softlayer as its cloud infrastructure foundation for everything IBM does in the cloud that's a lot of cloud stuff right now if you are a 404 listener and want the opportunity to get five hundred dollars off cloud infrastructure you can do so by visiting softlayer calm / podcast that's five hundred dollars off anything you want their bare metal servers dedicated servers virtual servers storage networking all that cloud stuff that you need five hundred dollars off visit softlayer calm / podcast hey welcome back to the show Jill Schlesinger is here it's been a very long time because she likes her dogs better than she liked being goes on the road it's really not my fault you know you're starting to remind me of like George Clooney in the air up there now up in the air wait here's the basketball the dog no no air bud air up there i think is with Kevin Bacon and like that I haven't I African guy yeah yeah uh so you're not that guy but you're George Clooney in up in the are you like you're at status with like you're like mega status at this way yeah well you know last year my girlfriend was in London okay and so I did nine trips to London in seven months oh my god so all those miles we use when we went to Turkey right for how was turkey phenomenal yeah so I would have been happy if there was not a bomb um attack you while I remember writing you we emailed while you were there I was like hey are you awake on that don't go to Ankara we weren't near there yeah of course I said to my mother like Jewish mother alert she's like everything okay yes don't worry were on the other side of the country it just so happens we travel a lot around the country at the point when that bomb went off we were as close to anchor as we could have been which was what a hundred eighty miles oh yeah but brief so far away here but you know I think uh I got a ton of emails from people at CBS because they saw it come across and they didn't know if I was transferring through and it happened that a train stations everyone was freaking yeah but it was in an it was a phenomenal trip Jeff Bakalar is a huge name and in Istanbul yeah so are you I do have Turkish roots the back of our ancestry does take us to the to the country of Turkey and yeah I do not know how close that lineage is like in terms of generational yeah but I i dunno i have some turkish on the tree okay i have to say it was a phenomenal trip it's istanbul is a fascinating city yeah crossroads of antiquity basically everything is there and also I've never been to a Muslim country right so that was kind of wild you know that I was like wow okay I mean literally I said to the travel agent I'm like just be clear a lesbian Jew traveling in Muslim country am i okay she's like yeah I'm gonna tell you where you can go where you can't though so um what get a little more descriptive about that like what and so in Istanbul is a very westernized city it is a beautiful city and you know frankly if you look at the path of like what has happened in Istanbul it there was a time where there were many cultures living together very peacefully there on you know when the the Ottoman Empire was kind of an interesting period because there was you know this idea of a pan muslim state right and the ottoman empire and but what was tremendous to me was the people were so great there was a I mean I never felt like any anti-americanism anything anti-women and in fact I mean the change it has occurred in Turkey in the last 12 or 13 years is because they had a far-right they have a far-right leader now so if you talk to people who went to Turkey 15 or 20 years ago it was like totally a westernized place this Iran has really brought them farther to the right more women are wearing scarves um when you I mean it was so funny because our guide who I adored she was seventh generation he stumble and she said you know should we look at somebody and she see a woman like full-on burka head-to-toe everything and she's like not Turkish how do you know he's like no she's like Saudi Arabian interesting and I say wow she was in fact like and she would like point at she's look at these girls see this girl in the scarf she was look at her shoes we're in like Gucci loafers yeah and a Rolex hood and she said this is a way that many of the families who want a curry favor with the government they sort of play up like oh I'm gonna dress up and be more as I want to get it warded that contract as my husband owns the concrete company yeah yeah so I've got to play the part is they're American pin in flag pan actually it's cleaned up you know and it show is really a rolling country by the way I went to a Turkish bath I had like 10 you actually went oh yes it was phenomenal dude what is that whatever STUV all we went so you go to this mosque and you go next doors there's where the Turkish bath is this one of course was totally redone because I you know I could ya tell my god i want to go so I'm like I don't want to go to schvitz I want a nice place Wi-Fi and everything he was gorgeous yeah it was beautiful and then these women come and you go to like sort of a communal place you go sit down there like soap you up yeah they wash off me massage you they do this it is awesome it was fantastic it was that and then after you go sip some tea and have some dates wow that's cool I felt like they're pretty amazing yeah that's wow you're like it's like some cool Indiana Jones scene I'll show you when we get up I'll show you a picture but you know then there's like pictures of me and Jackie in a mosque with the scarves on yeah I'm others like I don't like that picture and whatever does that happen I what you doing on vacation it was really amazing yeah and then we went to the middle of the country where we saw kapadokya which is where they're these caves that were inhabited oh I don't know from the first and second century holy yeah it's amazing what's in there I'm really cool work artwork on the wall but tells stories so like in the first century like literally a story of Jesus Christ is like depicted on the road it is insane and then you see like sort of the all the things that happened after that right so and that was so cool and then we went to the far west coast which is Ephesus and you're seeing like Greek antiquity wow yeah that's crazy it was awesome so just real quick tell me an example of why Bakalar is so popular there well I would buy you like I saw some well first of all you know I meanwhile in Turkey and I said to Jeff look at this cuz I was like I saw something that said 404 yeah like I'm on the street in his mirror turkey bizarre and so on my giveaway I noticed it when we were in Istanbul and I should have taken a picture of it but it was it was a family owned business and I said to the guide I said that's so fun i have a friend buckle are in in the united states and she's like oh it's a very common name Jewish name here in Istanbul very weird that I'm starting to find me it is probably more because of the internet but I'm starting to notice there are like a lot more bakal ours in the US mmm what not Jewish backlog that's in concern like they're just not yeah there could tell you could tell like nope jo Jo HN yeah yeah my cousins Joh Shannon he's Jewish that's weird yeah no but like I could just I could just tell like they're just not you know that yeah I don't know maybe that sounds terrible oh but I here I get it you know what I mean um but yeah and then I've also found there's one that writes for The Times Nicholas yeah yeah yeah mcnicholas is not a very no it's not not um and I get google alerts every time this guy decides to write out what is it ever he covers like science and medicine yeah arm and he's always just like coffees gonna kill you and I'm like I didn't write that certainly not uh and and then imma and then someone sent me one time I went down I really you know deep rabbit hole there's a there was at one point in American history a Bakalar Air Force Base oh yeah so who's that definitely related yeah unrelated just uh somewhere like Illinois I think yeah I don't think I'm related I don't think related right now just yeah we it's just very weird what are your roots dress so rustic is Austrian oh hi all my cell I think I'm Austrian to a little bit yeah we're on it yeah neurologic Anansi can we got some English in there too but it's weird so first of all every fresh stick on the planet is related to me which is kind of interesting so mostly because they changed the name at Ellis Island so obviously all the fresh sticks do not have the exact same name but you know what would they change it to I think well they just short and so they probably came in at like as like fresh ticks and gaba where the extra yeah please give you another so well you can only imagine how they shortened schlessinger right yeah anyway uh I want to say something Jeff no I do i do I you have got to have a second child I'm going right on them just shifting right is yo because so before the show Jeff and I are talking and you know telling him right now cuz i said uh aunt Jill wants have another child cuz it's your cuz it's up to you well I did put my whole spiel in I mean you have to admit that when i called myself aunt Jill on the show know somebody wanted the fans actually called made my hashtag but on but when we were talking about you getting married and having kids you were first like I don't know about kids we're not ready and they did you did wait and I thought that was great but I always felt like obviously you're gonna have kids and I just want you to know that I think that it's so great to have a sibling and you love your brother I do hmm I do it's not about I don't know why are you worried I'm not worried you are a little bit have you had this comes issues with Stacey he will tonight no I mean uh no we've had we've had a casually my thing is that you know maybe I'm just not thinking uh forward enough it's so soon so soon and if we did we wouldn't for a bit ok ok I just don't want you to shut the door on it I don't know shooting that door I don't want there to be even a bubble thought they're fine but I was shutting the door on the kid until I was ready right or at least I was until I was told I was right you're right act like never yes this wait till i'm told i'm ready about gallon or two all right and i think you would be oh yeah good job with this one you did you're gonna have another great one what one of my parents just stopped after one I wouldn't even be here man well that's an existential bragging versation you have with yourself I'm just saying also only children are kind of douchey now oh yeah that's so awesome i love that I love that he just said that no those are different they're different a little douchey okay no because I think I shears not fair well I think what's hard is first of all I love my sister so much and we are so close the idea of not having her in my life freaks me at the whole reason we got two dogs is that I love my sister so much Jackie's an identical twin she loves her sister so much though when we found that there were only two girls in the litter we're like we'll take them both yeah who's why you couldn't break up sisters can't bring up a service can't do it but now so the idea that you don't have anyone else is such a bummer I'm not trying to break up brothers no but I'm just like not having that relationship is so i wantam and i would also say like obviously the only child I mean they you just like lived your entire life being the absolute 100% focus right of your parents and that kind of I think messes with people know it so here's how you resolve that just leave them at home right by themselves don't give them a hundred percent you give no you say that yeah I think it's hard you can't yeah it is it's really hard I agree so I feel like I have a you know like I have someone in my life who is not a like a child but sort of a ward of the state of Jackie and Jill which is Jackie's very first girlfriend which jeff freaks out about a minute okay so let me just get to this fest so I can do this fast okay Jeff not speaking for all lesbians however yeah I will speak for all I misspeak for a vast majority I'm not even for me but many the culture is that many women remain friends with their exes many okay okay not everyone I'm sure yeah like for example look at me like my ex would scratch my eyes out so I don't think that's like that's not me which one exactly yeah they they would like the man and a woman who but I'm so so so yeah he was with this woman a long time ago when they they had obviously had a bad breakup then they time went by like not like there and then they became friends and you know what they they were together so long ago that how long ago um let me think about it 25 years ago was the last time they were together all right hold on a second maybe not 20 okay 22 years ago and you say ward when I when you say ward i think ward of the state no I think Burt Ward laughing like Rob Robin but Robin was the ward Batman as well nobody here's what I mean is it like swollen I care for her so much like or but like our friend Jackie's accident cuz I feel like she doesn't have a great family yeah she doesn't come from any money shut up idiot chicken idiot such an idiot tell me how much you love this girl you like no no no because what I'm saying it's a it's a what's the opposite of a funkier the ant version yeah i mean i feel ya i feel like she has she has just moved to the west coast yeah I ideal like her deal is that she was a professional photographer and she is no and it's really hard to be a photographer in this day and age because everyone has iphones and stock photography okay so she struggles a little bit and so i feel like because she doesn't have a family and a support system her friends are really her support system excite and so on so why do I bring this up i bring this up because i feel like i have this almost like on parental feeling of anxiety that she's out in California she just moved out there and I literally just said to Jackie this morning I'm I'm worried like is she okay is everything okay like just send her a note and then I said you're this must be what it's like to be a parent always worrying I'm not worried about the dog fun it's scary like that's what I think so I mean now you have one is no different to worry about one or two it's that get a five it's gonna be worried and I said that point yet but I'm not like driving yeah i know but like that that i don't know i feel i find that to be very powerful like the second you sent him off to kindergarten or whatever even then like you'd be where is he making friends is he miserable is it getting picked on yeah do right now i'm sad but is it do you find I mean you don't have children so if I'd like I thought that I do for my I mean that worried for my fiance like if she's late from work or it's gross out or whatever but you know what this is a problem among Jews because we are worried worse yeah there we as we look at like a lot like all the variables at once and are constantly considering like oh this could happen this could happen is gonna happen this cuz that's how I feel way of thinking to the unity you don't think the Jewish people are slightly more neuron about these things I'd like you inhaling the stereotype dictates that ok well im talking about damn time necessary time like that i embody it i feel like i'm like oh it's in my DNA i mean i don't know like someone said to me this was terrible there was a guy in when i was up in New England and he was talking about I'm investing or something he's such a blowhard because yeah schlessinger she really was talking about me and another show like she missed that train has left the station so I could come on my radio show at the time and I said you know what I'm a Jew when the train leaves the station you want to be on that goddamn train okay that's how I think I think like worst-case scenario first yeah and that's why it's great for me to be with someone who's not Jewish because I feel like she looks at me sometimes she's like why would you think that yeah I have a pain in my neck I must have cancer yeah okay let's move back from the cancer and try to figure out like oh I slept funny on the pillow sure i would say though like my fiance is not that way my mom's not that way they're both Jewish bike what do you think your mother's not that way that's amazing yet well my dad was much more the like super erotic cuz you got that from hell yeah I got so that's neat your mother's a little neurotic isn't she I am pleading the fifth yeah I love your mother when are we having dinner you know I did and dinner with Jess parents know it is awesome is lovely my parents uh I think maybe briefly oh yeah I did I went to your house oh right you went to the house and injures yeah but i have to say i mean i really think that like that's the I'm worried about me dumb dogs i love them so much I'm so uptight about them and so when I think about like little baby humans it really does freak me out uh so I I mean I used to feel I never really feel that way about da like I love my dog I know you have for Dylan like I really love Marty's a dude but in the back of my head is a dog yeah he's pretty self-sufficient howdy he's a dog yeah we're not like that we're crazy you are crazy yeah and Jackie is also little by get it no I get it but like when push comes to shove I know it's a dog it's a dog I know I mean like my father died two years ago and i'd like more anxiety about my dogs yeah no tell me now I know yeah we've had this thing you know it's it's weird cuz you guys have both you both have your parents and and so when you lose a parent it's well I lost my dad earlier I'm so sorry I had the weirdest thing around that because like these things these milestones occur yeah and then they're not there and then I will randomly start crying in a weird time not like oh it's daddy's birthday mr sure no but like when I am at the beach and the dogs are running and I start to cry and Jackie's like why are you crying I'm like I think my father would just love the scenes yeah sure interesting so weird I just had it in dreams like a ton in LA like non stand I'd never had anything like that before we're like constantly like he's in the dreams or whatever and it's just been I mean again Mike never had to deal with that level of grief before that's it's been interesting you know what I think that that dream thing is awesome I think it's a kinda totally a coping thing I had a shrink who once said dreaming is free therapy yeah it's like your brain and your emotional state is processing say I thank totally and maybe you wake up and it's weird do you think about it but that's awesome yeah I'm sorry for your lying that is a beautiful weird when people say that to even like no no it doesn't feel weird I mean I guess I feel weird with other people dealing with grief just cuz like you everyone feels the same way which is what can you say really beyond that cuz like you know it's like a super drag and its really tough obviously for the person but you can't really can't make it better all you can do is be nice to them like yeah yeah we I have a friend at work at CBS who's um like 11 year old son was diagnosed with leukemia recently and we are having this like intense conversation like in the hallway and and it was interesting because he's like you know people just don't know what to say to me yeah and they said can't they just say I'm so sorry he's like no they say other dopey thing well like that's curable like oh god no that's much better science is better now shut eye but even like the sorry thing to me is just like that's weird doesn't but I said not saying something weirder I don't know I think that just like these impossible situations that we have yet to as a culture figure out whenever I visit anyone that's like terminal like really not in a good way terminally or whatever i generally am like very cautious to like talk about anything but that if only because I feel like everything they're hearing is like you're gonna fight it or I'm so sorry Alex all like hey the Mets or hey this movie I you know what I don't know if that's avoiding it but I don't know it can be but I just think that not saying something is so bizarre yeah yeah an ignore right and i had a like a pet peeve because i don't like the I don't like euphemisms so I'm really am a literal person right so I'm just so sorry to hear about your father's passing a hint bass he died right like I don't know where'd he passed you like I just D hate that term is that a euphemism yes yeah passed away like he died okay yeah i think this culture we not say dad died I think people when they're dealing with another person's grief doesn't want to make that late to say oh they're gonna be comfortable me saying I'm sorry he died yes a very like I'm so sorry that you your loss is like a euphemism is is like gracefully terminated no yes yeah like passing away it's just a change of like phrasing you know it's uh you i don't know i have like is just weird i said i find that like our culture is so like let's get back to the beginning of this conversation like so i gotta look it through five thousand pictures of dopey kids not yours i love your kids yeah but you know Dylan's cute I gotta look through that like we have focused so much on birth but we can't talk about death and grieving I mean it's amazing have you watched that show the leftovers no I haven't okay wait don't watch it for a while seriously do not watch okay because I watched it last year and was just like a year after like what less than a year after my dad yeah it is the entire show is about loss in grief I know the process freaking intensely if you're in that place yeah it was therapeutic in a weird way yeah I just sort of like hearing and seeing Mike things where it's like uh you know related to what you're doing with how did your father died it was just a heart attack what I'd always say he was 65 get out and he was all right he ran nine marathons oh my god horrify areia Lee pretty crazy Jesus and sucks yeah that just sucks this a downer of a show it was really dark dividend I was gonna say it is nice too for me at least to like see even TV shows and stuff like that did deal with that stuff just cuz it's like this is a very cuz that was the the moments that were best for me or when people were like you know I lost my dad at your age or whatever was and like hearing that and getting that perspective is really helpful cuz otherwise you just feel like I'm alone yeah the only one yeah how old your brother uh he's three years old he's 33 35 I'm keep forgetting all die for you you suggested to idea oh yeah just do us two boys two boys two girls yes it works we're going together to take one where I love it uh pivot matter yeah yeah I live here next we are now leaving the death section and coming back to something a little more fun okay this is like this is a show that's all over the place yeah i like what we're doing here is no right now remember flies all right freaking heart all right stay tuned we'll finish up with Jill right after this this classic episode of the 404 show has been brought to you by Braintree bring she provides code for easy mobile payments maybe you're working on the next uber Airbnb or github will they use brain true so why don't you braintree makes mobile payments so fast and seamless it's almost magical you can add it to your app with just a few lines of code and 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there's gonna be a lot of people traveling on Tuesday no people travel Wednesday and Thursday no no one travels there I always travel Thursday the airports are like empty on Thursday a great sujoy the gym eyeing your driver driving oh you're driving it's the work oh so that's yeah it's I think driving Tuesday night I think yeah dad you fine if you're driving well why can't you just have Thanksgiving up here now that you have a baby how did you not make that position to the choir yeah I would have definitely Daisy for the longest nihilism for the longest time we've been doing thanksgiving up here yeah and you know twice in a decade I gotta go down there cuz that's where her sisters okay okay that's just a lot it's very far and with the kid and the dog it's gonna be gonna be a long a thing ok so that's what I'm doing what are you doing mine it's in Manhattan it's easy last year was in South Dakota so I paid that bill what but yeah this year's manage that where your fiance is from South Dakota uh half of her family is out Dakota Mormons not not currently Mormon but used to be Mormons yeah and the other half is to New York Jews yeah it's a prairie and yes is that not a sitcom okay I can't believe buddy movie how your plan so secretive I can't tell you I really can't uh so let me ask a tech question yeah you know I like to tell you the answer shut up uh I you know I finally got my iphone 6 where I almost broke you know that I was on with tech support from Apple for six hours and hours s no sex well what happened was because it all became a problem because of my itunes account because i had like someone else had like made me some music and I didn't have password to thereafter ID and the whole thing okok so anyway long story short is that I need to get a new computer as my my macbook is like 2009 okay but that's not that bad or whatever input so your phone ism no you can say you know I don't use the cloud I don't use iCloud and and now i'm having this whole anxiety because I get there I'm gonna lose every oh oh yeah doc you google do google photos no I don't do that yes no rastas rest come with me here's a tip Russ doesn't know jack let me ask you something like Google photos if I'm taking photos on my iPhone yeah I take a bunch of photos can it automatically upload those photos with the app why do I have to launch the app no does it in the background yes I don't do it I already free unlimited photo up yes is a certain size but that size is great ok I don't know I gotta tell you something you don't know just want to flip it you want its flip switch slow exactly i'm in there i totally i have nope you know Jeff you know me google photos let not only backs up everything for free at a very generous resolution they also make all of your photos searchable so that's another ad that we'd slip the right information so using your head voice like whatever I want to use google whenever I want to search like hot like photos of me playing hockey yeah just type in hockey yeah okay no so maybe when you why don't you come to my house and then you'll see the girls and you can um help your drink little man we can't bring little man to the apartment why not cuz he's not gonna come sleping into New York yes we do it all the time we'll drive in alright well we'll talk about this but seriously but i but i do have to get a new computer yeah and mac you care now look care I'll get it get it shut up get a thinkpad no it's not recommend the windows I'm not getting a windows laptop i'm in my ecosystem relax it's not happen well that is such a excuse it is sweet I'm you know its a 50 year old woman's excuse not yet it's sunk cost you've already made this Marty and pot committee right paw committed exactly so i'm in i think alright so what are you gonna get a macbook air macbook air yeah that's what i have right here i love it i got it last year it's fantastic it didn't they just come out with new ones yeah just five four or five months ago here's that I an end I really like I'm the guys like are you really worried about this whole music thing mind you like who cares right he's relaxed modified he did literally was like what are you talking about you've like 4,000 songs there's no way you listen to all these sites and no one finds music and so now i'm really at the point where I'm like maybe he's right well here's the thing and what r us just said like no one holds onto physical media or or or even like downloadable music right no screams austral i know i'm so old you're not all just changes so fast like I had all my physical media as a five years ago then what did you do I just use Spotify and you don't have it on my computer I just never every never touch it yeah that's the thing like I so so for me whenever uh a new record comes out from maybe like 20 bands or so where i'm like i need to listen to this record in uncompressed audio yeah I can't hear that I I line you buy that audio file you buy that I by then at the flat version were like super high up yeah clock but like for the foot fungus listening casually yes Spotify totally same quality Spotify is pre have to worry about storage you just like maybe I'll do it I could I think I think I'm gonna do it I feel very freed right now don't don't do Apple music no I don't know all right we did you Spotify uh what else did I have to ask you there was another thing uh so I'll get my computer I'm not gonna screw the music yeah just let it be but if you will the Beatles I think they're us just let go I'm gonna let go let go let it go let it go let it go yes and you can stream that all right on what about the what are you telling me about like the what do you think about the square IPO like you think that that's like 0 square the company yeah yeah well I should really ask you about the Haitian stuff but I was just gonna say that it was like are we at the like this whole unicorn thing like all these companies that are so fully valid they really messed up this IPO though because you know what happened was the range was 11 to 13 they priced the IPO at nine then the singles and in public no no they just went public yesterday and what and what it was dope you know how an IPO works is like they set a range and they go out and they say okay here's the range we're trying to get this and then they go out and do a road show and they say which big companies will buy shares right and institutions we're not showing that much interest hmm 7 school doesn't square aren't they tied with Starbucks somehow no no no okay so you know it's like Jack Dorsey's companies like second of the guys gazillion or twice I hate him I'm so they pricey IPO at nine instead of like between 11 and 13 everyone's like ah you see the tech world is overpriced the unicorns are coming back down to earth blah blah blah blah then the thing goes public yesterday and what's in it was up forty five percent of the first day of trading easy they left so much money on the table was crazy crazy time it just shows me jazz me I need to start playing what do you think it was defined by like Twitter well you know what I think that the the public wants a way to access technology and they don't like for the vast majority intervention yeah and the vast majority of investors they know like what do they know like if I had bought apple and I'm teen years ago if I had bought this one this many so we look back and we only take and it's a it's a survivorship bias right cuz you don't talk about all the ones that went broke and you don't talk about all I wish it but but pets.com well but look but look at twitter i mean Twitter's lost a ton of value since it absolutely and you know so i think what are gonna do I don't know they're like I would hate I'm sorry like I I know that they were looking for a CEO yeah and I just I is not a job that I was is oh my god who wouldn't want that judging a hard hit on 72 years you make millions of dollars and if it doesn't work out you admire she takes over yahoo's hasn't done anything with it is gobs of money you're saying like it's a credit kind of I don't know I feel like it would submit your legacy now doesn't not the tech for me it's like I don't know how that companies is going to make money well that well I think that what's interesting is that they had this very loyal interesting user base and to think that you're not growing that's not growing but they you cannot figure out how to monetize that here's a question would you pay for a Twitter membership all right even ok one of my paying I don't know let's make up a price let's think we gotta figure out how to make money with this I nine bucks a month let's say ten bucks a lot i don't think you go by paying for it people are automatically like your you automatically appear in this list of like premium users that you should follow when people sign up no because then you're compromising I understand LSU cheap it let's do it cheap ok how many active users do they have these two hundred million yeah alright so but even 200 mil that's a hundred million sure on what if you charge three dollars a month don't think it's enough money why not you're making an effect now they're making way less now yeah I think three bucks all right but I mean like would you pay three bucks a month for tours i cost them nothing like that's the important pressure overhead right that's so that was the host right no overhead no for doing good doing that in other words that money would flow to the bottom line right sure so why not and then maybe there are different there may be there is a premium service I don't know the premium service but the fear for them obviously is that they do something like this and you have like flocks of people leave and then a new startup unicorn shows up it's like we have it for free right I mean you look at my paypal competitors that eventually got bought up but like venmo for example didn't charge anything right was a total deal yeah and and then my paypal eventually bought them but paypal bought them i'm pretty sure i don't believe that happened there look there bought by someone i let me ask you something though I mean twitter has yeah even 200 million people who use you oh is it yeah yeah you go eat a second so how that's the best in the world of empty pockets you can buy your competition so so so amazing us maybe a news you know someone should by then then the the argument would be someone should buy Twitter and what what business could buy twitter and use that a news agency I examine your company right but no media company spending money right here's the thing Leslie Moonves could buy Twitter although sadly no I can see is like a comcast coming in buying them and then you have a platform for your you're a bitch right exactly but again you're also compromising like people would I feel like people might but it may be needy but it who cares you losers annual is your end goal fifty yearly pages figures now murder is right now hanging on by a thread no it's not i think it's just like a public domain thing now already made like wiki yeah like no it's not i understand that and there's people use it as a tool but i think it'd be it changing would compromise it the same way did got culture eyes in the same way reddit is flirting with being compromised I mean you know I'm saying like yeah there are these infallible things that just work on knowing where that line is is the hardest all right and that's and that's the problem right because they don't want to destroy their business on the other hand the business is being destroyed what they can't sell the data like the data they can I don't know what data there what is it what's the data the transcribed lifeline of the entire human what do I in other words like what's the algorithm of the people i follow or like Who I am how would you shoot an ad to me like I don't know I feel like they have some sort of ability to like predict stuff because they know what every human is doing yeah I mean look you know they've been people have been trying to use Twitter like to predict market moves yeah yeah it's completely useless it's ridiculous cuz it's like basically saying oh that's rumor-mongering great pleasure you know and then it's and then it's manipulated right but you can drive like I know people who use Twitter for you know content creation yeah and there's money to be made there I think what you need to do is sort of use your user base if you have to Twitter people as your user base and then you keep in mind like okay I'm going to do a revenue play so I need something that's not tax base cuz text doesn't make money right that I can then vert all those users into so they've certainly try doing that periscope yes we being the example and but they have really figure out a way to make money there but that's the right idea which is you look at um what Instagram is done in terms of making money and and snapchat everything like that and you try to essentially follow something like sponsored tweets is a thing there's no today there you have it stacked not in line and they're not getting the click throughs right money yeah they are line are they some of them are okay I totally have never clicked on any one of them and only by mistake and it's not images so you're not really getting anything yeah so South Park is doing a really clever play on all this oh really where their base their talk about sponsored content yeah vs advertising here and they're basically saying that like people don't realize it but people are turning into a de like the ads had to evolve first and now and it's just a really brilliant way to sort encapsulate don't think but I I think Twitter is just one of these things that can't really change too much and I understand like people have to get paid and I understand like look at Google man Google's renders yeah there are ways to evolve we took a one company to Google was one comedy there is a monster I mean they had 200 million people it got to figure out how to make money from them because what why why should i buy that stock what are you doing is not sure but I think about this why does someone buy a stock or why do you make an investment you're making a bet that company is going to earn money in the future except amazon but then you're just you're just actually making a bet that amazon ruled the world that's not a money-making but yet on but the doc hasn't done well know that stock is done incredibly well and has like a crazy valuation so why but because the thought is that he could turn on a spigot and make that company profitable in about two seconds yeah wait would reason visa sorry okay and that he that because he is choosing to reinvest all the money that's coming in and do building other things out by the way those web services like in the last earnings report with crazy that much money they had um but you know that you only buy something if you think it has a future to make money promise you're honest and I feel like Twitter is squandering and up tunity without giving people that vision right but it's very obvious that they're paranoid about upsetting their user base maybe I mean look it's always a delicate balance rightly more at this point more upset and worried about their their revenue you know so think about this like I am such a capitalist sometimes that like I think things that are free or fine like if you want to get pandora and listen to the ads good you want to get spotify and listen to the ads great but if you want to pay up and have it without ads that's even greater if you can't afford it sure so the idea here is that like you have this thing called Twitter it's free well maybe of some baseline service that's free and you are limited to how many tweets you can do in a given time frame I don't know but if you want unlimited access to this unbelievably beautiful platform it's going to cost you some money hmm life's not free my man said the 404 spring Facebook's free it's easy just say sucks Facebook does suck but they've also had a monetized billion points I know because they figured i had to monetize though because people will spend you know companies will spend so much money on advertising they did the ad world it's ridiculous it's like Google and Facebook or expanding exponentially and everyone's flat everyone else it's crazy yep so by Facebook stop I'm not buying what you know me I don't buy individual stocks yeah you just do like I do you know index funds I'm boring boring is beautiful baby it's true uh um should I let's try it maybe I can come back maybe maybe I'll do it by ISDN and you can hear the dogs in the background okay before the end of the year we'll do some year-end you're not gonna do it well we're probably going to do it on a Friday Camille I understand I'm saying like we have to also figure out our schedule cuz CBS also closed dent closes down for like the last couple weeks oh my god you know you is so weird because you know we I work in a news organization but you don't we're news ish it's law I'm not work I think I'm gonna take off between Christmas and New Year's oh yeah yeah that's never knows what I mean the news does keep going the news never rests nope when are you gonna be in the broadcast Center I'll be back there probably tuesday I I'll look up with you because maybe when you're done I'll just make you come up to up to the apartment see the girls prime example some time whatever all right thank you so much for being I love is Russ I loved meeting you i'm gonna hug it out with you we will definitely have a gout we belong to the same template we're gonna take photos of that hug i love that to get you take a picture me dress down and put it in and then olmos it right- right up and just put next to me from wednesday i put i won't take before let's meet you no I'm good I'm totally good without thanks so much for being here fall Jill on Twitter even though it's not worth yeah even welcome follow me on Twitter well people still care that I'm honest I think there's value for your person yeah individuals for sure whatever I mean I yes and no yeah so yeah on Wednesday I met tory burch you know that is the designer yeah yeah I met her in the green room she's doing the coolest thing can I just plug this first session yeah but for women entrepreneurs she has started a foundation where she was women's entrepreneur day I believe on Wednesday yes and so too so she started a foundation and the foundation is now doing a competition so any women entrepreneurs out there you can apply for a grant at the tory burch foundation how much that grant um I think it is like 10 grand you can get and then the wit like it who like makes the cut and then a hundred grand Wow and it's so interesting and I love these women owned business successful women business owners who are really trying to bring on another generation and I think that's so great so check that a tory burch foundation why do I say that because I was like giggling because she retweeted something I've tweeted that morning after meeting her she has 365 what are you up to man this is why this is really about moose burger right I don't know I think I'm like I think yeah yeah yeah I think I'm just like it just below 12 so you're always ahead of me that was a no is the case ya know you were headed me for a while oh one second for is one on sun ahead about you yeah yes has got forty four hundred million really 15 15 I think I'm what medicine just think about at Jill on money and get some of your people rocking and rolling I do want financial again at Jill on money and thank Jill on money com yeah don't forget to go to that website maybe you should come on my radio show to you what about I've never been invited Jill would you like to do that I was just thinking about that how fabulous uh hold on let me just check my notes here this is your 58th time I don't know what I never even thought about that cuz I don't know about money no but you could come on we could do a holiday gift guide and do tech stuff I would be freaking fun I'm into it it would crush it can we do it yeah you have to get I've to get you uh I'll figure it out all right I'll figure it out oh this you're so excited to tech person here so you figure it I'm going thanks so much for tuning in and I don't know how we're gonna do next week probably a rerun next week because oh thanks giving oh yeah good point and then after that is December ready and you know how it works around here holiday time so maybe there's only one to four more episodes left for now here but we'll keep everyone updated on hard to keep up with your schedule I know it's it's tough you know we're but you know that's the reason we wound up going to a once-a-week format is because we're people who are busy busy and heavy demand and you're showing me your Bluetooth JBL very nice that's cool yeah cool hey kind of their cool if you're into bluetooth wireless I'm not that into them but they again if any dog walkers aren't there quite excellent all right you got the Jill Schlesinger recommendation earnest we'll see you guys next time I'm Jeff Bakalar us rustic I mansion this has been the 404 show high tech lowbrow have a great week about our seniors them you