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bustles yes I uh yeah I'm just beat yeah I'm exhausted too but this is gonna be a high energy high octane no-holds-barred program we're gonna fist fight yes we're in a cage not gonna be super interesting orally but you know just take our word for my decision use your imagination hey uh there's so much going on Comic Cons in town New York Comic Con new york comic con is in town the ever underwhelming comic-con such a redheaded stepchild of the comic con family it's just like well i guess it's the second biggest probably it's number two but it's still such a drop from like the event that is san diego comic-con yes I mean there's like hi big brands and actors and stuff that show up but it's just like not like no one's premiering a big Marvel is not premiering a big movie yeah and you're not gone I mean and it's so silly it's in the worst part of the city I mean if you really want to get down to the basics of why this thing sucks yeah it's terrible it's a pain me ask to get to it's all the way it's basically in hoboken yeah where the where the jacob javits center is on the west side of manhattan where a comic con goes down they don't bring out the highlight reel people all the dead pools are like budget Deadpool's yeah you know I've seen some pretty impressive cosplay there hmm no and so so I start periscoping yeah my thing there have you ever periscope did see one now once before and you screwed up the other day so I thought you could periscope a horizontally now you can on iOS oh really yeah I distinctly recall that being a feature ad it's almost like Android is inferior platform it's almost like mouth and leave my operating system alone uh so I'm doing that and that's fun and then did you see that big iron man thing on you now you've left I left oh how long was I supposed to watch it for you're just wandering around I had like at one point I had like 40 people watching which was like is that good I dropped the 39 excuse me yeah well no because like the bandwidth in there is terrible yeah I was surprised you got a good connection yeah it was working okay for a little bit nevertheless Russell protects me while I'm doing this though he's i uhh yeah dude you left you left the phone sideways it doesn't work I'm like it was cool though I felt like I had a power cuz I could hear him get the text message and I could see him right the ship so it was like I was communicating from beyond the void oh you were just like pulling the strings behind the podmaster anyway long story short Comic Con 2015 new york city i was there for maybe an hour and a half i just could not get anything really done there everyone's booth is a tenth of the size of what it is in in san diego yeah um like you just said they don't really have a lot of big-time celebrities there I know there's a few panels and I'm sure people are gonna you know throw junk in our face me like no no there is a big deal it's important yeah and I guess every year it gets a little bigger but it's for the people who don't live out west totally and it's a different crowd like their way nastier here Oh settle down what does that mean we are with nadir like New York people are nastier than San Diego what does that mean nest like mean yeah like don't care about bumping into you where's in San Diego it's like hey you know it's fine you can just be yourself be friendly with people and not have to worry about kissing anyone I mean I think they still I think they're just more inhibited yeah so New York people will be more honest with you no it's more like spit in your face and don't ask for anything I mean if there's there's a weird camaraderie with the new york comic con people just because they get so few of these type of n yeah that it does seem like it I don't know I don't find them to be an overly aggressive bunch uh-huh you're just lying to yourself I've been to it San Diego people are I've been to five San Diego's and a bit 25 new york's so I'm allowed to say this yeah me it's probably just a California versus New York yeah well that's exactly what it is yeah I mean don't they'd certainly say sup brah more often at San Diego one do you not get me wrong yeah we're still better okay like we're better than them yeah but at the same time they're cosplays what was there anything cool you saw before you were there for an hour and a half did you have any goal while you were there I had my goal was like let me see something i can get excited about okay that's all it really is sure totally and i didn't know i mean nothing I went by the image booth yeah I want to be like hey when is saga coming back right and like it just it was such a shitshow it was your person at the desk didn't tell you when sagas coming back I guess it's like a dumbass I don't know but I go there's more of a fan sure right so I'm trying to geek out yeah and comic con New York would not let me get out it's tough it's tough but again for people that don't get this very often and wanna see some nerdy you know nerdy go to town I guess sure it's weird gamma guns weird go to it one time if you've never been ah let's parlay that into back to the future okay I know clearly we talked about back to the future a whole bunch on this show yeah it's been at least two weeks since we noted it right which is fine we have to meet our October quote especially because October 21st 2015 yeah is the day yeah the real day that Biff got covered in poop he gets comfortable every day in the universe is back to the future it's manure material like that manure yeah um it is the october twenty first that is d-day any time you see one of those memes or someone photoshopped the wrong date no the only real date is october 21st 2015 that is rapidly approaching yeah and it occurred to me very quickly when we entered october that we were not going to be able to enjoy this day as fans because it will be sold to you it will be shoved down your throat and it will prevent you from actually enjoying it for what it's worth it's the same situation I'm maybe not one to one but it's similar to the situation where all the brands were like paying homage to 911 and trying to associate their brand like like paying homage to 911 this is a legitimate it's like we're going to associate our brand with another major event which was the day that Marty McFly while I don't know if I completely agree with you know what I know where my Dunkin Donuts like tweeted like you know respect your heroes whenever brought to you by Dunkin Donuts eat our egg sandwiches not nine Elevens just such a different monster what that draw right into but okay I'm gonna give you this bag I just I just don't want things bastardized by brands and it's to it that's the problem canton point back to the future month so so as i understand it so far that I've I've seen I saw the 20-hour coke Paris re Pepsi perfect that's the perfect thing okay so let's let and that's my that's my like okay case in point sure Pepsi yeah making that weird-looking bottle sure that Marty got buys in the cafe 80s and back to the future too yeah he wants a tab they don't know what that is there's a what stabbed right you don't know in order to anything yet funny that's actually that Jo doesn't even work now then the pastor's on the future that might be the power right that's the end that's when you screwed up whoopsie he goes in together eighties and goes OMG perfectly if he had ordered a tab 2000 they would have been like oh you don't like of course the soda from the future so he orders the pet and this thing pops out of the counter yes and it's super cool it's a it's a super cold pepsi and a weird glass bottle with an oblong sort of its got like a straw built into it whatever it is yeah Pepsi is selling that exact replica yes forget this $20 like 15 secs sense really because 2015 I think it no I think it is over twenty dollars i think it's like 20 hours in some weird set amount so where can you buy that way not that I care sure some not you definitely do care a little bit no I'm not really someone was I aming me the other day and they're like how many of those Pepsi's are you gonna get I'm like zero because that's terrible it does seem weird though cause it's like you didn't get excited when the nike thing happened not really really the the shoes are different because the i don't know i guess you can make the argument they're the exact same thing right but i have a problem and I'm gonna catch flack for this but I have a problem with like I've run with soda being able to like I know you hate soda yeah but I have a problem with it like being the official partner of the Olympics and I have a process unhealthy cuz its all full free yeah and there's no two ways about it like what that is nothing to do with this right but it's still like I don't know I don't that's me you're overly sensitive about soda but I and plus I hate Pepsi aisle if I have to drink soda i'll drink like Coke Zero okay cuz it's zero fun yeah I don't yeah like if mattel came out with a hoverboard you'd feel the same way they did did they sell came out with a replica but it wasn't obviously a real hoverboard no cuz that's not real sort is it's getting there gonna be on a metal plank you have to be on a metal blank and you have to have a Kickstarter yeah uh but yeah i don't think i would buy it okay I I like it was right like usually like Toto if someone came into the office today and handed you one that worked perfectly no I don't mean the hoverboard I mean the Pepsi thing oh you didn't like keep it on your desk I probably would okay so whatever I just I mean hey it was to drinking I was more put off by the fact that they only made 6500 of them oh there's only 65 only 6500 on the planet oh I thought there were like 10 million down no definitely not so you would need to so these are gonna be worth so yeah they're gonna be on ebay for like two or three hundred bucks whatever good so that's that that's what bothers me I don't mind the execution of it it's honestly it's whatever like i don't know why i guess i guess my problem yeah with the whole thing is that they our commercializing this sacred thing which is really I was really ironic now because the entire movie is commercial right where it's like well you bought tickets right you see the movie not only that you have toys you have this and the only reason at their FC is cuz Pepsi paid more than coke of course they would pick coke first right Ned mattel right had Texaco and it was one of these most brand filled movies of the time you're right I your I should just shut up yours I'm totally wrong about this totally wrong I will say the one cool that fax company toshiba I don't remember it might have been um yeah they were way off on faxes huh they did not get that right uh and ties I don't the double time double time the one thing that I did like was the fact that the the cubs were playing Miami right in the postseason which was like a nice forward-thinking little joke and it's happening right now so that's like cool Miami well they're the Marlins they're not the Florida Marlins there now the Miami Marlins those clubs are actually playing the Marlins right now that is very cool now in the movie if you want to be technical the Miami team is a gator the Gator with about what a bat with a bad but whatever we're gonna let that slide I think we can let that slide also wouldn't the Almanac have been way bigger way thicker I've always the text must been really small was like a graphic it's been on a minute I've always wondered weird things from that movie and I do want to bring up one gigantic issue i have sheriff's the end of two um but yes wouldn't you imagine 50 years of sports scores in statistics and not fittin ways actually like wire maybe it's only like World Series and layout now because every game because the the the game that old Biff exemplifies two young beth yeah some random all right turns it on yeah I mean you only need one line for everything else I'm sure some jerk I'm already figured it probably it probably exists like a current actual one you think so yeah it's called the internet right I agree it writes weird that it's like 16 pages it seems like it's like a very small pamphlet Yeah right with just like 50 years of data yeah okay fine let's put that aside my biggest problem with back to the future and now we're just getting into the weeds and the geekery okay whole thing the celebration and whatnot we can put we can shelve maybe from wentzville next week but okay back to the future too mm-hmm Marty yes is uh is on the road where his development will soon be built doc is up flying in the DeLorean and gets caught on the flags yes right the flags get caught yes in the time I in the tire and uh you know he's sitting there and it the storms intensifying and and he goes doc be careful ya don't want to get struck by lightning and boom and then he's gone gone ok and makes those like nines in the sky yes they're always wonder like what was that anyway why does he time travel right what don't you have to now the whole idea of her movie is a genetic Oh 88 miles per hour so you're just getting hit by lighting is not enough is right the whole like if that was the thing they wouldn't have had to arrange that intricate you know a lightning delivery system the way they didn't end the first one right because he needed to be moving 88 miles an oh and he got struck by lightning right so my point is what the like how do you explain that maybe argue that the fusion man that's now in the back of his delorean no no you wouldn't you I mean I'm open to I'm open to Thea this is more technologically advanced so maybe that's all he needs I'm open to Theory sure what I'm saying okay sure so figure that out for me okay like what are they doing we're like who would who would be able to make an argument that somehow the lightning and I was reading a few things sure some was saying like oh no when the lightning hit it forced the car to spin real quick to spin yeah what is that way it's great like to spin on its axis yeah it's crazy there's some creative that in the footage no it just does years just disappear so that's crazy that's crazy yeah he it did like so what they say is that I think the only way they touch on it is when the guy the western union guy yeah oh noes a yeah west but whatever whatever the telegram area was it was yeah says like hey you read the letter yeah and he says oh you know it overloaded the time circuits and so right right but that I mean is that a thing were like oh if a time sir if that flux capacitor gets overloaded right a interesting way goes it just operates because that's that is the thing about the first movie is that when it gets hit by lightning that is exactly when it teleports right right so again a nation that energy to tell but to transfer to travel through time they needed that boost of energy now in the new Dorian they didn't need the Lightning right to the trick to tell bro of course they did so maybe it was already like Adam meconium they need to put on him but let's say it was already at a hundred right and the lightning pushed it over that need whereas in the first movie was a fifty percent in the white and got it 100 all right I like stuff like that i'm cool with here i'm cool with like you know oh yeah my head but i'm cool and right now with it sure um did you see by the way uh since we're done talking about your stupid conspiracy theory it's not a conspiracy it's just like we explain that did you see the footage that someone filmed from their lawn oh my god right back the future three so if you're listening to this and you're as geeky as we are with back to the future go search it was someone living uh like across the street from where they were shooting right yeah like right across the street on that block they were filming back the future three and it's just crappy VHS footage of like uh you know them just like standing in front of Marty's house right and he's like in a poncho and like you could tell us back the future three but it's really just this bizarre time trip and it's crazy because it's been sitting somewhere in someone's backyard right it's been sitting somewhere and what's what's also very strange is just like it the way it's filmed is bizarre to it just adds to the confusion because it's you know like home-video i mean i guess you could say home videos had better you know camera skills back then and people do now with their phones but it's just this weird yeah juxtaposition right yeah cool was like a bizarre relic yeah so search for that and give that a look it's pretty awesome we're gonna take a break when we come back we'll get into oh right like Microsoft did a big thing this week don't worry we had acknowledged II haven't forgotten about that junk more for for right after this Ross I'm not gonna lie I ain't gonna lie i'm using square space right now whoa damn good for you and it's cuz i 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to fruition what didn't Luke Lester Lester way that's his name from our UK office is putting this together and apparently he's having a lot of fun doing that so stay tuned for that we're gonna we're gonna pivot into microsoft microsoft microsoft had itself a week it was a week for microsoft certainly when windows 10 came out like they were not massive complaints people generally liked it but in terms of you know i don't think anyone expected this reaction to its its little announcements this week and the big one karma from wrong was their laptop they have a laptop they have a laptop it's the first laptop they've ever made it's called the surface book yes right things ball it looks cool i mean i even used it personally but design wise i actually really like the design i think we have it here i was out yesterday so i gotta go check it out yeah i mean it's a impressive piece of machinery and look we can get into the specs and all that junk um but i think the big thing to take note is that Microsoft is playing fought is fighting fire with fire a little bit here yep and that's kind of cool yeah it's good to have competition especially with like the two big players in the space is it to me seems very clearly just like be there answer for the macbook air which is like a really very popular model especially for work and stuff that and a lot of people did not get services because they're like well I need like an actual work computer and the surface is sort of halfway there and this seems like the answer to that which is like okay this is my work computer it's not an enormous toshiba whatever thinkpad fiasco it's like a cool looking you know windows laptop they kind of trumped the macbook in a lot of ways here too and that's the big thing they're going for ya well how do you how do you think they trumped it ah if you're looking at the numbers I mean Beck was spec-wise the in a few categories they edged at the sharp book and they also edge it out in price it is two hundred dollars more starting right short includes more expensive but how many times have you said what the hell why aren't they just making a macbook air with a touchscreen like that right to me yes probably the most sought-after mm-hmm uh innovation from from from Apple that people yeah I think there's definitely demand for it so there's that they also and don't forget like ipad pro it's kind of a surface ya later let's look at a spade a spade yeah um alright so when you look at the specs the pixel resolution tire on the on the surface book more pixel density in higher pixel density um it weighs uh this is crazy so this is the macbook pro we're comparing this to okay it weighs half half I don't know that you can compare it to the macbook pro why is that the direct comparison is the man pro I mean look at the I mean they both run a core i7 chips you can put a core i7 on a air though I'm just saying like it's got a better good bending in terms are like it's I mean it's there like that I think that I think you absolutely can make that argument yeah okay fair enough right i mean sure uh so yeah it's I don't know it's a it's a crazy world yeah right here I definitely think there's a big big audience of people that like I know I was shocked at how many people are like very die hard surface people like there are definitely there out there around this is like their favorite weekend right and this is like a very good product for those people I don't think this product is necessarily going to bring anyone over that like has a macbook air or macbook pro I don't agreed and I think it's for people who are entering that yes giving them on way more significant yeah choice at a real competition and something that they can feel more confident about because like when you're shopping for windows pc it's like you have so many choices and you just sort of want to know like what is the like best plugin pot like if you buy from asus who knows their spyware fiasco and at least hear you're like okay i'm buying from microsoft if they do shady stuff everyone's gonna know about it very quickly and you know they might but at least then everyone started in the same boat it's like unified hardware for a windows laptop i don't know i think it's i think it's great and I think in a lot of ways you're going to see like programs whether it's Photoshop whether it's a game that'll be like this runs at this frame rate on this machine in the same way that like I have a 2011 macbook air this program runs like it's very easy to determine how well something will run because it's like a unified relatively unified you know set of specs sure so I think it's great I think it's a very smart move by Microsoft I'm interested to see how it sells um yeah it's it's cool I think what's really uh kind of RAD too is you know people dig Windows 10 yeah and it's I don't know it's just I think it I'm not saying this is the beginning of the end for a Paul not saying that okay but it's certainly I think the beginning of may be a renaissance for Microsoft yeah and I think it's more you know there's more parody more competition between the two where is like the last few years it has felt like Microsoft's just been like playing not catch up but just like I mean making a lot of bad choice bad choices dealing with a damaged almost brand anyway um and not doing it any favors and now yeah this last year I think they've really started to turn it around it is crazy that this is the first laptop they ever made yeah I'm having shocked I'm sure but I mean that's I think a big part of it has to do with the climate like they don't want to shower the relationships they have with like OEM xand right but but that's the thing like think like if your acer right i mean terrified you're really pissed sure right cuz there's no way they made this decision without really upsetting yeah totally why why would someone go to a store and buy the acer laptop if they oh I'll just buy this one this is like this got the microsoft windows on it I mean why where's right why do I buy anything else anymore from another from a third party company and it doesn't look like it looks cool like you can keep it on your lap and not be embarrassed it's it's impressive I mean it's after if it's from out of left field and that's and I think part of that a part of the appeal part of the you know I guess fanfare is the fact that no one knew that this was coming too yeah this came out of these knows it seems like nothing can make it to announcement without being a spoiled just goes by nature of likes one person needing a cell phone in the factory and then boom it's done right this really surprised a ton of people and it might have been because it's like maybe a leak you would have seen like oh there's like a laptop being produced and I'm sure it's a partnership with toshiba or whatever so the you know just a laptop existing and like having a frame for a laptop is not enough to like get people crazy excited right but you know with the reveal of it being like the official windows laptop it's pretty crazy it's kind of cool make sure you check out cnet com for the latest we've got a bunch of hands on checking out not just the surface book but all the other tablets that they announced the surface tablets and real quick before we move on to the next story that that freaking hololens demo I mean that that is the best demo of the year when you combine you know stuff at e3 what their did earlier this week and the first time they debuted hololens I mean that thing is a kick-ass demo I don't know if I don't think it's as I don't I think the video I think demos do it very generous favor yes one hundred percent I mean the big thing is when we use it at e3 the whole thing was viewing angle right and you those videos do not portray how narrow the viewing angle is where you have to be looking through this like postage stamp-sized square to see this hologram and and those things are really expensive they are using really expensive pathology the dev kits they announce our three thousand dollars which compare that to the oculus dev kit which is like what was it 600 600 something like that yeah so like the technology is through the roof expensive and while those debt like their demos are very very cool I have not seen a really great case for how this could be like a broad piece of technology yeah we'll see yeah okay I want to go into apple now excuse me we're not gonna praise Microsoft Pat Microsoft on the back and then just go in beat up Apple are we I'm just gonna do well I guess in this show we're probably going uh so here's the deal the three month trial period that everyone was gifted when Apple music day bude well that's up yep and now it's time to take a step back and say hey is this worth paying for am I going to keep this service yeah you in Spence from forbes as a contributor for the tech section of the site has written a story that says Apple music has failed yeah Forbes can be a little Forbes can be on there let's just leave it at that Forbes can be a little yeah nevertheless I understand the message and I understand the sort of sticker shock sure sticker price shock that amendment many people are probably experiencing when that first credit card statement comes in like what is it give a ten bucks yeah for a spotify is right exactly yeah um he's making the argument that apple's model their service does not deliver the value that competing services offer sure closely says close to four months of peasants launch and the apple music experiences not been improved in any substantial way the package that Apple delivered out of the box was horribly mainstream totally agree with that yeah uh with a huge focus on popular artists in my time exploring the playlist and radio it has been hard to find the niche music in the packaging and that is the entire basis yes for music discovery yes we know what taylor swift's new album sounds like and it's great and it's spectacular we know what with the new justin bieber song sounds like me and I yell at Shannon when she comes here he plays that stuff yes right so what is going on and who is in charge of doing this I mean you parade like you know these these mega ultra popular artists out there you're just not appealing to people who have any sense of like individualism yeah and it kind of feels like the maps situation again yeah a little bit sure in the sense that like Maps granted when it first launched there were some goofy stories about people driving into lakes and stuff like that which is bad hazing but you mean amazing amazing but then in the herd but another like big omission that they left out was having like public transport on the maps and like support for stuff like that yeah and it's those like nature neech features that only apply to a set number of people that get people on board especially when you're dealing with like you know the UH you know people in high hesitated a media cities like New York in LA he said media cities what the hell's that Mike central I media places were like just low are like us evangelize these services and you need to sort of give those sorts of people saw a reason to cheer you can't just give them like McDonald's hamburger you need like McDonald's hamburger with a Pepsi permit some like angle to it beyond just like this is a baseline that we've hit and people are upset with that uniformity yes if if that makes sense he goes on he says look there's no app in the world that's perfect and this continues up the fact that yeah it's a it's a it's a mess in terms of the content there but also the app itself is kind of a disaster he goes on to say it can easily hang on opening if it can't find a solid internet connection and it makes it harder to search and locate your own music on a handset album and artist lists are compressed into a single drop down box while opposite emptive global at a global radio station is given a tab all its own yeah so this is what I will say I I that's all fair I have not used the ton of the part I used a little bit but not a ton I just Spotify predominantly the benefit that Apple has is not necessarily now so I don't think you can say it has failed the benefit is long-term the benefit is i just bought a new phone this apple music thing is pre-installed i guess i'll sign up for that it is the internet explorer it's the internet explorer of music at one hundred percent is not cool that's not cool you're right I get it I get it I got it is easy you could say that yeah and it's an easy way to get people in the hook for 10 bucks a month which up until now Apple has really not had the equivalent of that right so I get it from a business standpoint I think the product will get better it's very difficult to like create a very robust library in a relatively short amount of time I'm not excusing it I think it's certainly not in a great place right now but their place it's all along here and play it's a human lung plan I don't know what spot if I was like at launch I'll bet it's it was pretty broad as well it was better at lunch okay I mean that's just from my short experience I don't burn music but I remember I distinctly remember Spotify just kind of being like oh this makes perfect sure having a lot of like not not that it was perfect but just it was intuitive yeah and I showed I showed my dad Apple music and he is like brain farted it's like what um I guess all the music you want for it just didn't convey probably anyway uh we'll have more on Apple music at as it continues to evolve we must take one more break and then we're back with some game stuff and the product hunt game of the week keke keke keke more 404 right after this what do you think of when you think of clouds Ross intimidatingly large ah you're talking about the weather notion of clouds not not the computing but loud computing and the web they both terrify yes well softlayer is going to make it that much less intimidating for you sir 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that five hundred dollars off do it right now head over to softlayer calm / podcast welcome back to the show also in it in addition to comic-con being in town in addition to the anarchy that is back to the future month oh you call it anarchy I think it's very organized to the point of depressing huh way to bring it down briz re ah no uh EA was in town this week they were indeed they were here on Wednesday I was out of town I was in Philadelphia how do you feel about Philly I'm not gonna play that game right now right yeah i was at UPenn like on campus oh yeah and i've been to the campus it's very like a traditional yeah cow very Ivy Lee very yeah it's just like with the frat houses and everything it's like very traditional felt a lot like Harvard in a way yeah uh similar similar kind of setup uh they got they've got some smart smart people there yeah not bad I I confused I'm sorry where'd you go do you go to you it I went to you I'm roxford no where'd you go Emerson College Emerson yeah oxford university i don't know if you've heard of it it's called Yale uh yeah it's it's a very nice campus I I why we know there why was I there when I went to upenn yeah I was dating a girl that went to you been is it about the girl or isn't it about the girl I don't know it's always about the girl I gotta go see about a girl I gotta see something with a girl they got amazing building called the bits of nanotechnology yeah building it's tiny easy for small is this a school for ants is what I said yeah and everyone nodded everyone's like you're the 8,000th person to make that joke today yeah it was cool i liked it i don't i'm not a big philly fan but that's a gorgeous campus got some good food situations whatever you got to tell yourself if you're from there um so uh EA like i said we're in town yep they had some stuff yeah uh you were there I was there you played a game called unravel unravel oh I'm excited about this one it's a cool game uh the idea is you're a little yarn person you're made of yarn and you escaped from an old lady's house I don't know if you escape is it like your grandma or she's just like an old lady I mean you're a yarn person so it's not like a yarn grandma your yarn ma you're on mon it's not that okay you just sort of leave the house and then you go exploring and it's like a 2d platformer or 32.5 d platformer you're bouncing around but the hook is everywhere you're good you go you're dragging this yarn behind you so you're leaving like a yarn trail yarn trail and it's like infinitely long and you get more yarn as you progress you like pick up more yarn and you can go further as you get more yarn but you can run out you can run out so but it's a puzzle game so the idea is you like get just enough yarn to bring you to the next piece of yarn so if you're like I don't you probably miss some yarn right so you so it's all about like the shortest path right I just saw this I was like oh it kind of looks like a little big planet like yeah it's okay but mechanically it's really really cool because you can do stuff where you like Thai one piece of yarn in one place and tie another piece of yarn in the other place and like repel yourself up a wall cool or use it as like a spring more pitchers constantly spending yarn you're constantly using yarn yeah no matter where you're going but you have to like be smart about it where you can like okay I'm going to swing on the yarn here latch myself onto this wall and then create like a yarn rope that I can like rappel down on so there's like a lot of really cool puzzle mechanics there was one where I'd like pushed some apples up a piece of yarn which doesn't really make sense but that sounds terrible but I'm sure it was fun you just have to be very it's like a thoughtful puzzle game if you ever play limbo it's very similar to limbo amazing space stuff um they don't make Limbo's like they used to they don't one of those guys gonna do another one they have another one coming inside or side I okay next year sometime oh speaking of next year's that's unravel as well right yeah sure Roy next year it's cool definitely a game that I didn't really have a lot of expectations for and went in and was really impressed by it I think the thing here and if you're listening you're like god damn with the talking about games yeah here's the deal it's an indie game yes right being published by EA yes which does not happen a lot no it's a rarity so like a little artsy cutesy game that yeah it feels I know you Vsauce been doing this similar things right like EA is following suit that's great good for them so I'm where's the developer from under nationally I think it's Iceland or Nordic lands some Nordic developer yeah that's very cool man you to win that EA indie lottery you gotta that's lightning in a bottle we'll see how it sells that I'm the determining factor very good let's move along to the product hunt girl oh we're know I have to make everything a song it's that well I mean it's I guess yeah I guess I was that you too dramatic or a little bit too all right this way you're usually pretty good with these game recommendations yeah it's a cool game uh it's called read only memories that's India as well it's a bike pixelated adventure game like kind of like day the tentacle if you're into that sort of like throwback style game but this was a steam game yeah it's on steam yeah and really cool vibe it's set in like a new Annie Oh San Francisco um it's got the cyberpunk thing going on yeah cyberpunk is fired kind of like you know like but not edgy it's like mega man levels right rippon right see so if you like kind of adventure games tech space adventure games with like cool hand-drawn pixar check it out read only memories it's on product on uh what so what but like why this game now what do you mean like why is this your game of the week like this game is it but its not New right it's oh no it is it's only about two months old no it came out the official release was october six so just oh maybe for another platform maybe for another platform varies theme it just came out have you played it how much of it have you played like an hour of it yeah yeah I dig it it's uh right now it's on sale for 1350 but 15 bucks is like the state a standard price man uh you know I I spend so much money on Steam games than I never play yeah the thing i do babe you're not allowed to talk about that okay okay I don't I think I literally am NOT I got that ah we've talked about it on the Beast cast before not you specifically but the idea of what we're beating around yeah um but yes uh I you know and I usually try and wait for the summer sale and then the winter sale yeah so r us what they have on steam yeah they have these gigantic sales really where you can yeah where you save upwards of sixty seventy percent off a game well how do you take sixty percent off like free they pay you money they pay money like yeah russ russ has a thing where he say tell because now we're acting shady well there's a press account yeah and members of the press have access to download things from steam on free for run free and free for free but it's it's very limited and and really I think I don't even know if they still give them out they don't begin now I when I first started seeing it I had like a chance yeah and I didn't Eckstein they asked you did what it was there was an opportunity that presented itself and it was steam wasn't as established back oh you're like this is like 07 yeah sure and I'm like who cares like what games are on there yeah not a big deal yeah well yeah kind of beat myself up like that one it feels like this is the equivalent of like a rent-controlled apartment yep we get grandfathered in just got passed down through the generations you know and it's Korea it's just like you can't give up that seat yeah it's like season tickets to the Giants exactly is like no that's gonna stay in the family it's in the will keeping it all right um all right man this has been great good times thanks so much for for tuning in 866 404 cnet that's our phone number leave us a voicemail we can choose an email the 404 at cnet com um if you give me a minute I want to talk about an email we got okay we do that sure yeah it sounds worrying no this is for Marcy hi Marcy ah dear Jeff and Ross there's a great story on the most recent episode of radiolab about the ransomware that you're talking about this from last night cool uh it's the first segment pretty scary that police agencies have fallen victim to this so the link goes to a radio lab story uh and it's just and like you won't I listened to it you won't believe what members of what you would think to be this authoritative you know so really the police in size do dumb things I know you've never heard of this it is a thing coincidentally while walking my dogs in western New York last week we came upon a rogue cow huh who was walking out of the woods toward us this is also Marcie this is awesome RC AO looked like it must have been a couple thousand pounds made sure it wasn't a rogue bull before I took a couple pics even though they're docile animals pretty scary being so close to an animal that could crush you yes if it got spooked the farmer came and walked her home come on Betsy back into the pan was he is he gonna sell it for beans maybe yeah like is that a jack and the beanstalk it is it's a jack only beats like reference to Jack Jack was he sold his cow for beans it was his cow yeah cows are so stupid yeah they'll just walk anywhere like though they'll see the cow in front us gonna sound bad they'll see the cow in front of it get slaughtered yeah I'm just gonna stay the course yeah do they I don't think know that they slaughtered no I don't think so you think the cow in front of it gets its head cut off and the cows standing mine is like no there goes bill well well mr. Tom it's your tongue I don't I think if you kill the cow around a bunch of other cows the other cows would freak the hell out I don't know about that you think that would happen with a bunch of chickens yes you think chicken be we'll see chicken eh I think they probably have some sort of innate like if they smell blood they'll tow that's not good oh hey for the record for four sho is absolutely one hundred percent for the humane treatment of animals true we are not for uh not eating them we enjoy very much eat them eat some chicken yes delicious yeah but humanely please please please thank you a yarmulke on that cow before you kill a well I that's George now it's not torture and if speaking which I gotta gotta go to be an H later today so that's gonna do it for us 866 404 cnet ladies and gentlemen shoot us an email the 44 at cnet com follow us on twitter at rus fresh dick follow Jeff on Twitter at Jeff Bakalar I need more followers playing yeah you're gonna beat me what do you mean you're gonna get ahead of my follower count pretty soon Emma I'm sure woody what are you at I meant like 15 oh I'm Nippon I know my my my of the tales of Turner's guest doing doing you some favors there you're so you're only attributing it to the Beast 100% man no man i do stuff yeah I do you don't really know how to periscope that was evident earlier today ya know android doesn't know how to all periscope doesn't know how to make an android app apparently that's what it is so stay in touch with the show follow us reach out to us we're always ready willing and happily able to answer anything you got to tell us and then of course go to the sub reddit reddit com / r / the 404 we are back next week with a brand new program so shoot us an email and get into that subreddit and start clicking away and tell us what you want us to talk about that'll do it for us until next time I'm just back a lot for us rustic this has been the 404 show high-tech lowbrow I have a fantastic weekend tunity