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hey what's up everybody thanks for doing it you tuned in on friday october fourteenth 2016 this is the 404 show i'm joined today by the lovely and slender and 105 pounds sopping wet mr. Russ I'm always wash just got out of a pool and in the other corner weighing in at a hundred and forty-three Wow keep going up but although he just broke the fast ladies and gentlemen Ben Fox Rubin on the program today thank you you thank you Fox Rubin what's up gents how we all doing doing great ya doing buddy lovely I have an update last week Ben we had a gentleman uh that goes by the sleep doctor are we on our program oh yeah did you do the sleep talker coffee thing got a bone to pick with the sleep does do that though didn't work oh no so here's the so so that he's a sleep specialist this is a guest on the show yeah we've been having them on for years and years and years and last week he told me to get the most out of my morning coffee to wait two hours to have it on to after i wake up two freaking hours you know long two hours is horrible idea it's like wow I couldn't even do you wake up you like do baby stuff Oh do your commute oh and then you have coffee there yes and I guess what I did on the train yeah but that's howdy nice sometimes I really almost fell asleep that's really funny it was tough I could only do it four out of five days today I couldn't do it yeah I couldn't do it because I had too much stuff going on uh you know people couldn't do it what was supposed to happen afterwards I was supposed to be like off to the moon of you were supposed to join super day that you wake up and you get this burst of natural whatever that wakes you up that like thing and we man is idea and then by the time that it starts winding down which is about two hours after you wake up that's when you drink negative refuel it that's what he said to end that the improvement from drinking coffee right after you wake up it's pretty minimal in comparison but most of the most of the time when I wake up I feel like an 80 year old but I'd like patient like I can't even get out of bed yeah it feels like you were hit on the head with like a hammer right yet I feel like I was so hungover for at least the first half hour until maybe I've had coffee that's what sucks about getting older and yeah you know I don't want to make this one of those things but getting older sucks i was actually this way when i was in high school I'm just terrible awake again I was rough yeah I'm just very very cranky in the morning and i'm doing the sunlight thing he said you know oh right so I open the window I get nice southern exposure so I open the window and there's a lot of sunlight get nice southern accelerator that is a sense to asset is a goddamn circus just came out of this guy's a man if you're looking for a place in Forest Hills I got a nice hey whats up hows ago you know I get really nice southern exposure yeah Jesus sounds like a good sitcom I guess so follow up for note northern set in miami miami unless there's comes down hey if you're still interested in learning more about your chronotype yeah i want you to go on to the website amazon.com and you can buy the doctor Bruce buy that book the power of when I did not think we would be talking about this kind of stuff on the show but thats it now we're gonna matter what you are cuz like you take this quiz and you find out what animal you are yeah yeah I'm a fox no but that's that wasn't one of the four I feel like you'd be either a bear or a lion usually I'm described as an otter okay i can say that you like cute little things bare hands and hotter or a duck-billed platypus sure I like that I actually have a Segway with regards to crota types yeah and it's about the gremlins cuz i was thinkin about this on the walk into work today okay you guys are familiar with the gremlins of movie for bite right yeah I'm game for them even though it's nothing provided nothing but disappointment in the past I'll buy what do you got there Russ okay so do you remember rules the rules regarding gremlins like what you can do you know feeding after midnight no right you can't like shine a flashlight at them okay they don't like bright light but sunlight kills them yes Oh but the one we're going to focus on today is the can't feed after midnight okay so that your wife or government that is make a big deal about the midnight thing because if you feed them after midnight they go from being mogwai it's really they start as mog wise which is what gizmo is and become gremlins which is the nasty verbiage is most stays am agua yeah there's no wonder the great the rules like if someone fed gizmo after midnight he would turn into a gremlin is what I'm saying uh okay oh no isn't that how the gremlins came to be in the first place oh you're right yeah I come out of his back yeah as like gross weird balls yeah so if you write so if you feed gizmo i guess so i don't even know at that point so he's a Mogwai he's like the mother of the Kremlin's fine yeah after midnight but they never specified when it's safer yeah what's he cut off it's probably six a.m. yeah it's my sunroom what about daylight savings or like a concentrator nationally like they think it's griz a gizmo from the asian guy in the store and like he's from I don't know somewhere in Asia and he's got to be you know you're right different times of night time zones ever submit yeah so does that so the big question is does the times only thing is that trance I don't want to generalize I think it's Chinese this is transfer does it transfer over to the United States like why is that for is it rena ch greenwich mean time right right right and moon related like is it like a you know how like could be lunar base cycles could be tied to that reminds me a lot about kosher rules yeah it's like if you ate chicken on a international flight is that okay to have a cheesecake exhaust course i don't know if you guys are kosher my drunk Yorker sure i was brought up very kosher so I know all about these rules and they're like I mean you know whatever just part of part of my life at that so wet so at what age did you first try bacon I may have been in college holy to have that's like given that's a given someone heroin it was amazing I it was amazing no it's it's fantastic were you were you like this delivers I was very very mad at my parents at that quite was like I can't believe you if ya you've done this even withheld this I'm actually I keep kosher still what eight hours every day I keep kosher okay yeah while you sleep yeah every single day and I wake up express 19 burger huge chicken ball I just fast for eight hours a day it's weird right and buried I don't even open my eyes very pious yeah that's crazy yeah that is that is amazing especially since it's like Pink's are fine whatever they're doing to hurt anyone they're delicious isn't like the whole kosher thing uh you know it's based off like before soap right of course yeah like in the food what happened with me was it was like the zealot riva convert was the like I just started eating bacon carlo yeah yeah likely ninja from I get easy I get it lean into it lean like lean bacon yeah lean bacon yeah it's the best thing that yeah I don't know even like I've been eating it for 34 years and I'm still excited about oh really oh yeah because it's like always the wild card to some dish you were like all week and tonight's special is scallops way to look at the whole table he's like wait for it rapid bang party it's a arrow drops what they're doing and wave their hands eh guy comes out he's ready falling from the ceiling he's like that's right amber f'ers bacon-wrapped scallop you can literally add bacon to anything and everyone would be on board even wear a serial go for bacon has no business being like chocolate yeah works it actually does I tried that before it's quite delicious I don't like I don't like bastardizing my chocolate with most things yeah but how it's amazing is there anything disgusting that that kosher people can eat so at least they have that win that upside what do you mean is there like oh I mean the urchin is gross I never actually even see here yeah seafood i guess like the common lobsters good good you can't have that stuff right lobsters amazing I'm just ki only had lobsters like a full one so I can you have Vegemite as if your code hello I know what is Vegemite Australians brilliant that's awful it's made a yeast extract so if you hate that yeah that's what I'm saying if you couldn't eat it it'd be nice at least they can have like whoa we can't have bacon but we also can't have this thing that's gross so we're not missing out on the most people are pretty hilariously unaware of anything when it comes to being kosher so you could just lie to them yes sir good you like sorry Kenny it's like my color blindness I just tell people I see in black and white it's really fun I used to think that's what that meant I used to think when I was a kid there's two really dumb ass things I used to think you think colorblind people saw only in black and white and I used to think a child one day woke up and could speak like me I didn't realize that one day before / gradual process nope I thought one day before little Larry was a mute and then the next verse I Dameron evolution right and the next day he was reciting Shakespeare is what I thought is how it's kind of cool 25like yeah your brain doesn't really think about it too much that's that's fine let's I want to talk a little bit more about your lobster things you've never had if you've only had 11 full and you had a full aab story I mean like I've had lobster rolls and stuff okay okay what's up a yellow though yeah yeah was like it's two shelves to make it work yes that's exactly I was about to say i paid like $45 e to do all this work it's I feel like I'm in the office so here's deal uh I don't like the work either I'll go to work on a claw give me because that's what caused the payout of me we're sure uh but i don't like getting served a full lobster it also upsets me I know it's contradictory to me loving the hell out of lobster but every time I like a lobster fried oh you know baked dates you see a base there yeah I don't like it yeah somebody's somebody's daddy his claws yeah it's fine it's someone's dad give me his claws that's fine give me his tailhole yeah give me that tail yeah but once it's the whole body bed you're too spidery to like Chris freaking out sharp like as you're doing right then they would cut into him like i'll eat crab legs till till the end of time but the second i see like the whole body together yeah yeah i feel that way about fish too is that like you know my head some of the top grade like seafood places they feed you like the whole fish that yeah i'm looking at you while you're eating him he's like hey hey stop eating that yeah now he's okay we could go I was swimming you did they make it was awesome y'all can awkward this morning this morning but now my god display down you're just eating that is this going to see you're complaining about it to you think I'm too dry just gonna throw me out huh no fishy no fish goddammit alright a lot of things have happened in the last couple weeks in the wonderful fascinating world of technology yeah phones are blown up phones are getting canceled phones are getting deleted from existence which I mean I know you guys talk a lot about it on the 359 but holy this is unprecedented is literally unprecedented I called this months ago you said right for your phone one day I think okay so when I first started happening though I was like they need to kill this brand right now wait to but that never happened like phones blow up I feel like they blow up it's not a total happen by the time the US was stepping in and was like we need to take this is a band like and but they can't be brought on this man this is a man then all of the people that I know there's a lot of people that like love their note 7 it's the best phone ever reduced ba ba ba but way more people have never used it and way more people now just know of that brand as the exploding phone right right and so at that point you just need to kill it like I don't think there can never be a note anything again oh yes they're not only like a note 8 yeah they're not gonna be like featuring non exploding technology but it's not gonna do that but then what would they call it no they'll just come out with Samsung Galaxy a big phone I think they should wait even longer to come out with the next Galaxy like I have your set of the essay when directly around March yeah World Congress that's soon yeah they they really shouldn't do anything it just says you just like hold up well you heard about their washing machines know like they explode they like spit out if you put it on a certain cycle they like spit out nuts and bolts and stuff well so yeah everything they make ovens refrigerators they're like GM yeah but this is troubling and I was reading a story that's like yeah this is just the first time we rely on batteries way too much their way to uh exploding like those lithium-ion batteries yeah they're just taking time bomb well that was a problem with the with the those scooter things what the hell are they called hoverboards hoverboards yeah those were also like you got on hovering hoverboard yeah bad lithium-ion battery there's a lot of issues with those hoverboards the with the Samsung stuff so after got taken off the show state they felt like they knew oh we've nabbed this problem they still really but initially they say much because they started giving out new ones that were fixed of the product so right so they what did they think they just thought they claim that it was like a yeah I was about one specific yeah one specific manufacturer I think so they right okay okay yeah and then the new one started blowing up just like gremlins to the new batch yes exactly what this is like in fact that's how it's been explained to me the batteries were fed after midnight so I think they still haven't they even now they don't really know what the problem is which is the scariest part and like why hasn't this happen with galaxy s sevens in how are they gonna prove it's not gonna happen with the SH that goes back to your point I haven't they have a blow-up legacy I gotta say if this is Isis you know hats off big Bravo that's a good move right there think Isis is you know burning somebody else you think Isis is infiltrating battery man you doctor saying I've approved with anything they've done so far but if this is their move that's some James Bond right there it's also like those just a new source a deviant there in our in our minds really how Isis just gave me a light migraine yeah really annoying Isis force me to back up my contact me so that's a terrorist organization i could get be a sensation slightly annoying right just like a slow a dripping faucet if you will that's really how you get know you and I promise you someone has written a headline that says is this the work of the right that sounds like Slade slate with doing something story my guys get on top of that slate oh man it's a very bizarre chain of events that have transpired but that whole thing I just oh that's that's just bad news for they'll survive that's yeah w it's a big conglomerate gonna be okay they could take a huge loss and they'll be back with a big phone BK there is no other phone like that on the market so yeah I think well my phones kind of like that then the Nexus 6p okay and how is it doesn't have a star does have a star just a stylist stylist stylist big difference ya know but there's like a special magic one oh it's got magic powers so magical powers and look sometimes magic powers cause things to explode yeah that's right tell me you guys give me your honest honest to god opinion is the person who owns a note 7 who has not had their phone blow up who refuses to return it because they are convinced and look the odds are with them that their phone will not explode are they being an asshole absolutely yeah okay good totally I'm glad we're all is here putting putting them and other people at reser I set this on the 359 that it's it's the new smoking because you can't even bring it to certain places right I don't think that you could stow it in your luggage you can't they specifically say if you have a galaxy notes on the point every single point I've been on since it really they specifically say if you have a galaxy note 7 you're not allowed to power it up and you're being a douche but and you're being a dude you're like who's gonna like raise their hand be like oh sorry everybody I mean sorry I have it it's the TSA what do you want it's like I just don't understand like that's like the CP you know that the first time someone heard about this you don't think that maybe there's a grandma that like whatever didn't know I don't think grandma grandma yeah there's not a grandma phone if a grandma owns a note 7 yeah she got the text message that said your phones are ticking time Bob return it at once yeah yeah you're probably right right away there probably will be some diehards out there never were think they want to ebay it or something oh my god like you're not allow the way are you not allowed to recall products are not allowed on eBay here's some other source on the darknet till I'm not saying okay hold on I'm not saying that you can't sell it on anybody just not allowed to write look they might not even get to it what can you do like on ebay note 6 plus 1 get around there's a 16 you could definitely like it turned into like a black market for note 7 trading there's got to be like a technology museum that definitely wants these in their stores like in their display in like some pretty major technology mome it is the most defective tech product I want to say like ever I think I was like the most infinity xbox is probably before this yeah but it wasn't whatever it wasn't gonna potentially latest flight back just turned into a brick yeah yeah people complained about Apple maps for like a couple of weeks right that was insane nearly big right this is the story that won't go away and what about the fact that like how many they sell a million russ 2.5 gal yeah so well that was in the first radio throw out 2.5 million phone Oh they've got somewhere in China no but they're just worth it ever all the technology to get yeah but like yeah aren't there like rare earth minerals Everly in phones like I'll be fine that stuff I feel like they need to strip them and chop them down and like I'd turn no dates so just like harvest their rare earth element you picturing like a terminator like that get lowered into molten lava and then pulled out I guess that's what I'm picturing i don't know i would say this that if I was the guy that owned the technology museum I would showcase one of the phones that have already exploded totally because then it wouldn't explode on me because they're already done if I happen to be in New York City it's already been disarmed right if you haven't been York City you should go to the nintendo world store that's that's good because they have the original game boy mmm which ran tetris is you might know and it was actually in the original Gulf War go for one and got blown up or something oh wow and it still runs wow it's such an awesome machinery but yeah it's like totally the outside is like burnt to a crisp and yeah it still runs yeah thing will entertain thing was like a paperback novel if the sanger than that spent a lot of time like two hours and thickness and takes me way back that takes me to elementary school yeah we're gonna take a break when we come back we gotta get to PlayStation VR it's worth the conversation it is more with Ben Fox Rubin on this episode stay tuned our sponsors day is Vega coffee once again thank you beg a call for sponsoring the 44 show Russ Ben you sit here in front of me we have a bag of Vega coffee beans in front of us smell that nice the bag he smiles and they're good I don't drink coffee personally but I for the people that do drink 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that's a rumor yeah so wall street journal reported it so that's the head and I know that this letter ah like groceries like milk bread me would they do breakfast sandwiches and somewhere other than New York City because that is literally the hardest thing to find what maybe I am a serious I was in Chicago for entire week and the only place in get a breakfast sandwich was Duncan done like a bacon a disgusting waiter terrible don't they are doing a bitch there be all seen how those work what those yeah just so you can i drop your other end I'm sorry they're done great but in a pinch as a breakfast option it's either that I would have to be in a serious pinch but yeah I know what you're saying and then I don't think they're doing the real truck real I don't think they're doing right now by the way and I personally think that it's kind of a ridiculous idea i agree i mean like the bodega concept has been overdone a million times like the whole reason amazon exists is because they did something that nobody else did right you want to circumvent but i think there a lot of you guys i think are blinded by being in New York City so many cities do not have bodegas or off convenience stores like a CVS or a walgreens where 7-eleven where is it viable for a bodega to exist where there isn't already won I think like a small neighborhood like if you have a residential neighborhood and everyone just wants to pick up like oh crap him out of milk you don't want to like drive to the CVS bodegas work because they make bodegas make money because they church five dollars that's a milk so but I'm just saying I Sun probably oh no like more then I'll grow to resent them i'll just be like oh screw this play-doh got four years video making money off yours i don't know maybe i don't know anything about Amazon because the whole bodega concept to me doesn't make any sense to me as far as what I've been covering with the company everything that they've been doing has been how do we get stuff to your door faster directly to you and stuff that's like immediately like like milk that's like really hard to like actually you gotta keep it cold it's gonna be bad quickly what is a bag thing like they do in Canada the wad ya the milk bag in Canada they have milk bag yeah they have that in Israel that's dirty hi boss wait a minute why I chocolate milk in a bag in Israel why is the milk in a bed don't know why it's just save on plastic I think because it's like the bag takes up less plastic then so cardboard cut the cardboard well yeah harder than carton did you for a second ok so does coming all right it does like the wawa milk comes in a big old place that you get a big old jug that kind of thing huh alright i'm i'm not sure where we've arrived from that oh but what about the whole like every time I go into a bodega I'm like thank god there's an Amazon yeah I I feel like this would be counterproductive this would be a step back there's a feeling they're designed to get something in under an hour or like fire you have five minutes you need something something fast amazon is designed to get something it's like a step back for them like you don't i would to be do only agree with you I when I saw this thing I was like I don't I don't get it I don't understand and haven't they experimented with brick and mortar stores in the past day are they are they have like they have like so the bookstore well they have the pop-ups in malls but they also have just a handful of bookstores to those bookstores are basically showrooms to show off the devices to show off like different books and stuff that makes sense yeah just to basically reinforce the Amazon brand are also kind of supposed to be like kind of nice looking I think that they have like uh you know like you get coffee there and drugs like that like when I think bodega or 7-11 just yeah I think like it's kind of like grimy whatever and what if they would exams on add to that what if they do the Apple version of apple store version of that which is like a clean then they would have to charge like 10 dolla and maybe people will do that I I think as an experiment you do it at three or five or ten locations and just see what happens I don't think that's a problem yeah all right look see how it goes the whole point is is that everybody thinks like Amazon's been growing it like twenty percent revenue growth here and so like how are they gonna keep doing this yeah they have to get into brick and mortar that's the big like that's a big concept like a lot of analysts and Wall Street folks are thinking is like well they're going to have to start poaching into the rock and mortar world so every single time they open like one book store in Chicago everybody sits up and like oh my god Amazon's good but that's a temporary spike I don't yeah I mean but like nobody ever knows what they're up to either you know like yet they let us run our you know run wild what's the stuff they don't confirm or deny a lot of things they just do their own thing they're kind of like Apple in that way yeah yeah yeah all right there you have it and then AmazonFresh is still a thing too yeah that that's like put that things are no healing they give me bags I don't have to give the bags back it's really i don't know you all use it i tried it once and i was like a big bad don't think of these bags bags are nice they're like cooler bags so keep the bags you can actually keep the bags but i had to like look online i was worried they're gonna charge me for the bags oh yeah i didn't want to use it again is it was more expensive than pressure right all right i still use fresh direct i like them a great deal yeah um okay playstation vr yeah let's pivot right into that let's jump right in this uh came out this week um critically it has seen mostly i would say positive to average deposit yeah nothing super glowing nothing glowing nothing to me because the floor was set pretty low too I unit be our world I think so I think once vibe and oculus came out to very tepid you know receptions I think they've I've reviews are pretty positive in other words we're pricing was so shy and I think that general sort of landscape has left a lot of people being like oh I'll get today i 100% it's not the world one iota right so then PlayStation VR come comes in and is a more accessible technology it's a more affordable technology especially if you have a PlayStation 4 which 45 million of them have been sold yeah so I did the review for Cena and I kind of like it for the most part I think the you know the biggest knocks I would give it is it's got a slightly less of a viewing angle yeah uh and the tech is not the best known and that's not the headset problem that's the ps4 that's just the fact that they shoehorned VR into a video game company i never had intensified three years old at this point it's three years old and that's when it came out that means it's been in development for God so imagine trying to run VR on a computer that you bought for four hundred dollars three years ago like that is actually what I'm trying to do you can i'll let you say that right now let's say that though it's prime reason for yes five then well i mean like because we waited like 10 years between the ps3 and the PS well and what it gives you reason for is the ps4 programs at november so that he has for you know about that guys are teaching me sometimes s4 pro will play all the playstation 4 games you've grown to love but better at a better resolution potentially better performance oh yeah better they just come out with the slim yeah oh yeah the slim is you know different house yeah just replacing the same thing yes they're not going to sell the older version of ps4 anymore the ps4 pro yeah well it will run things like VR and certain you know triple-a titles battlefield you name it will run theoretically better assuming the developers put the leg work into right a lot in you know again like the problem I have with this whole thing we talked about xboxes project scorpio and and this ps4 pros they are thrown around that 4k resolution lingo a lot and these games the vast majority of them will not run in 4k you talk about a resolute er games not out now standards and yes um plus we do 4k TV right you really enjoy for up project Scorpio the jury's still out on that yes a year from now maybe it'll run a lot of games natively in 4k we just don't know yet but ps4 pro is only gonna have like a very yeah now game and they'll do upscaling to 4k but they can't run natively based on those specs so there's no way I'll let me ask you a dumb question there are no dumb questions on the show runs you should know that 4k so so I was I was looking this up recently that 4,000 does not convert well to the whole like 1080p so many people think of it that's where I get overwhelmed don't think there's too many numbers flies are a lot of number so even with 10 e so 1080p is 9 20 x 1080 right at nine way into 1920 x 1080 yeah uh so k is like 38 5524 so where does the four come from 3850 or whatever that's so there's rounding up yeah that's like a marketing I don't like it well that's not a big deal i'm gonna go to the government about this go to the cutter Business Bureau why you should come up you know Russ you should write a letter where's my extra case you should call your congressperson I need at least one more k is that what you're really like hung up on I just say it's annoying to me cuz 720p and 1080p were such as precise like yeah like there but like so they'll remember they're also remembered for you remember it too but it's not very consumer price of the lower number right like so you're so the number europe's oh ok i understand you're saying wait it's not four thousand it's right no number in that duo is for castles my call me when you get a 4k television and then there's the idiots that think it's 4k 4000 pixels which are like no no that's like a tiny little square knot who thinks that because whoever thinks that should just be spanked yeah the bow wow ok blue wine punch times oh so back to the PlayStation VR you've played with it yes what do you what's your takeaway yeah so I think first of all I think that the helmet the headset is the best VR headset I've warned pretty good if it although it does kind of feel cheap I thinking but I think it feels more comfortable and more like you can wear it for longer than either the vibe or the oculus I do agree it feels a little bit cheaper but actually I'm sort of fine with that because comfort is definitely a priority for me and it also kind of look I mean it doesn't look cool in the traditional sense of cool but it like doesn't look like something out of the future with you don't look like the predator you don't look like you've liked vivan oculus rift look like you made that in your base yeah yeah and this is written you're showing this looks like a legit like mine or on report the hard part is a hard way right uh in terms of games there's nothing like life-changing in there I think 4p I think the real who is designed for is people that have never used the VR before and want like a relatively easy out-of-the-box solution and you know it's going to run you know it's going to run in your hardware because the ps4 is like a set thing and it's kind of like a you know like flip the switch kind of VR solution now if you've used five or if you use oculus from a fidelity standpoint it's their night and day definitely vr the PlayStation VR is definitely a step down from right because they're running on a two-thousand-dollar computer and they're able to do a lot more see that's why I'm interested to see what playstation 4 pro does yeah I was not gonna bring it up over break what I think it'll but I think it'll do somehow the bridge the gap yeah I think it'll help bridge that so the big question though is is this the thing that's going to get people excited about via yeah well see you some you say no but I think it's gonna do a way better job than the eye of the two other guys it is not a nerdy that is for sure I would agree with that but like think about it like it's the it has the best chance out of all of them is going to sell better than both of them perhaps combined like it's going have they released sales on oculus or uh no I don't know it off the top of my head yeah they might be curious i yes or wilt 55 hurts I don't we on three I called Palmer yeah this guy design is wearing them all right now I feel like uh there's just there's not a lot of people than it that were like yep I've seen enough I'm Bobby going to spend two thousand dollars on no problem so I agree it will do better it will help to spread the word but I think it's also going to be like it's gonna be a lot of people to buy it and they're excited and they'll show their friends their friends will be well it's really close and then it's dust it won't be like the week phenomenon we're like people would try it send their friends house and then need to buy it themselves Oh totally try it once or twice or whatever at a friend's house and guess what it was like on me in this office yeah when they brought in they carded in the HTC vive and like I played that off zombie game yeah yeah I would actually like to play that again but you know I tested it out I felt kind of silly because I knew everybody was like watching me everything like photos that they would be on Twitter of me looking like an idiot last nine yeah but okay I'm sorry go ahead but yeah it's just it was one of those things where I didn't like crave wanting to play it right now which is something that you really look for in like a really good video gaming ryans it's exhausting yeah it's a gr is just like it's a holy exhausting because it's a it's a it's a bombardment of the senses and it's not and sometimes you have to stand to do it a lot of the times you to stand do it which means that it's shortens your play time it was like I've never worn that headset for more than 40 minutes yeah I oh definitely not because you just you simply you're not gonna do it all day they should do not find a marathon we are I think you can PlayStation VR I think you can play predominantly while sitting down most of the games a lot of the network although the some I wouldn't recommend right yeah some of them are liked it like where you're actually sitting down in the game world to occur that's right but yeah I mean I don't think there's any VR solution short of like once they're like Mike the size of my glasses chor babies yeah but we're five years we're seven years from that more removed white quite a bit right now you think quite a bit have more than five you think to get to the size of your glasses that's what their hands on like what the fidelity is but like no you don't think they can have just a wire coming out of the back my glasses into like a pack that's on my back or something I'm skeptical that that would come in five years yeah five years yes quick you're talking about a projected monitor essentially on my glasses know what what they need to do is it's not gonna be that there when when when it becomes the size of your glasses yeah I think it'll be projecting it onto your eye I really do think that oh which is the glyph technology right oh I don't know yeah but to me that makes the most sense because it's like why do you like why would you make oh yeah the headset rat yeah do you mean yeah and it's more power into intensive to have like monitors or whatever it is plus if you have upper if you have complete uh what will the viewing I will be 360 I guess well now you know be 360 / what would it be and we 180 maybe some like 170 up because now the vibe in oculus or 110 and PSV are interesting wow that's weird when you think about that like wooly really the vyver I forget which one has a wider viewing angle but when your dazing well they both have the same ok but what 110 you really can't necessarily see the edges super like you kind of forget about the edges so you do but you can see them on PS yeah you forget only 10 degrees i can degrees is nothing really uh it's weird I've had only one game kinda got me not sick but nauseous a hundred-foot robot call oh yeah that featuring what is that yeah this very funny yeah but that just were we would you ask I wanted to I've been wanting to hear about what the games are so so that one game 104 row back off where you are on the back of a gigantic hundred-foot robot and make sense you play golf but the the whole the courses are just like the real world and you have to like make your way by bashing buildings to get to is the robot might as well the robot is your golf the wrong guy I so is he hitting the ball he's hitting the ball you're just on his shoulder being like you know like tapping a million falls over there go there guys yeah I drank again well while the mass is a run at your feet in in horror we obviously did not cover or review that game for obvious reasons yeah I understand that yeah uh people who do the commentary work for his company oh my killer brother's okay oh yeah not all right it's very funny the an egregious they are a funny Bunch um so so there are first-person shooters to right there so they high stays like a heist demo ii london heist where's kind of like it sounds fun it's fun that would be good one it is good it is real janky that it has one of the coolest moments where you pick up you know the move controller the playstation move controller is kind of like yeah it's like a ping-pong ball yeah yeah if you show any way look are you loaded up while you're and you're smoking a cigar yeah and it has a mic and you actually have to like exhale to like and you see the smoke yeah that's great there's some songs I'm trickery there legit creepy vertigo while playing there's a demo where you get lowered in a cage and you see like animals swimming around and I was like that that's I was very skeptical but like I felt the only other time I felt that level vertigo was when I was snorkeling so like even though it is the fidelity is not quite there it is close enough to kick in my phone like I thought a doubt and I don't want to like under sell this thing yeah you get jacked in like it for me and I've played I haven't played oculus a lot I'll admit that but I've played hours upon hours of HTC vive yeah and that thing doesn't do any more like places me or doesn't give me less immersion than that mmm I'm i buy it every time I'm in there it might look a little blurry or am I look a little more pix elated but I'm buying it like I am believing what I am saying I have a question and there's not there's a there's no noticeable lag or anything like that to their kid be because your brain would fart out if there was it just wouldn't just wouldn't do it okay someone comes to you les Moonves comes to you oh you mean like every day among every right every year like she knocks on door he's like Geoffrey you've done this before where he's showing up my door but go out every the character know he's a reoccurring here is a million dollars in a sack it's it there's like a dollar sign on it right but you'll wear a HTC vive for 30 days straight you can't take it off we're constantly going yes yeah without yeah I don't think your brain would melt okay so it's a Hollywood actually but my family needs that yeah like I knew that how long would you be willing to go for four million dollars of the month sounds good 30 days 31 days and I tell them to gear to go so there is a limit right can do after a year you would probably have like some sort of light you happiest yeah I captivated that's probably like the month would traumatize me but I feel like I'm nothing to her back from an actress years like all just vegetable he's gone he's all gone and you have to wait John simulator the whole time you're just like so so we go on with the rules so I can't ever see the outside world happy acres I'm a going into the bathroom yeah want to sleep so that means when you sleep it can't turn off but you can play something like the space game where you're in space and just floating around so at least it's darker so you shall I say now I'm not so here's the deal is this anyways i'm also considering like the really effed up social ramifications of this so your baby doesn't know your face anymore like I won't see him for a month yeah it's terrible well someone could program your baby into a VR game and then you can see yeah I God if this was a are it would get a very fine like a sweaty does have a are but i Doan blocking that you're not allowed to use a your dick um yeah I don't I can do for a month like million hours to do for a week a week a week or anything oh no it's a fourth of all of you 40 bucks for a week what how is it and then the last three weeks are worth a million unless min resident let's do it man yes I'd have to do it but it would really be upset i would try okay actually so i was at an AI conference about a week ago and i met a guy who was wearing the hololens the microsoft hololens did you put the past like five months he's just been walking around with it put that dang it out as a are it is a are it's also a still kind of an interesting comment that technology any better now because i don't know my dog which was III it was pretty that i think he was so he's a professor in florida for like new media professor and i'm trying to test it out he wanted to see okay what are the capabilities what are the limitation it over five months to test it out he probably could have been a really interesting to me though it's a thought it was you know because he's really trying to be bleeding edge about it and she's like can I live in an AR was no software for it yet so like what is he even seeing like he would open up like software elements and be like oh there's a cat in front of me or I can open up like a menu and stuff and like he was he would show it to other people who would take it off and they would try it on and a lot of rosettes hey I know but but a lot of the lot of the hand gesture yeah are not as intuitive as you would think there would be like you would have to pinch with your fingers chair to move the screen up and down different things like that so you don't just put it on your face and you in immediately know how to use it like I would say with certain other products smartphone so that makes it a little bit more challenging to yeah I yeah I don't know what whether that pro like it needs to be that needs to be like super small and like even then I don't know who that it's tough but yeah we're just that we're just scraping the surface of the stuff Thanks yeah you know I was very cool technology I just like i watch that that Facebook oculus press conference yeah I'm just like not like having a virtual conference feels like a 1995 like technical be like yeah that's not even a thing I'm excited about is it any better than doing it via video like a vision I'm sorry I don't see what the it's more uncomfortable yeah I swear friggin helmet to do this that sucks yeah and there's more tech to screw up half of the video chats that you try to do in the office get screwed up I've to begin what I wonder what we'll look back at this like like what in 10 years are we just gonna be like to what is really thought we were like oh there's gonna be a thing I actually yes maybe gone it might be it might be I think people are pretty skeptical of this idea of like really immersing themselves a little too much in this stuff yeah I think that we're already seeing some pull back from from an etiquette and from a social perspective on smartphones that we spend way too much time staring into our smartphones we're not having really like a conversation yeah but like smartwatches are just the continuation to me it's just another screen to lie here yeah you're right but they are one of the core tenants the reason why people use them is that they allow you to glance down and then look back up rather than being like heads down and I guess so there's your wrist then this is the longest conversation I've had all so I mean time fill it is not on pocket four minutes long there's we you know we've been doing fine all these years it has happened hey we survived for like 120 episode no way more than I thought it's a lotta that's like three hours worth of podcast right that's like one of our shows good few days hey thank you very cool stuff um all right is there anything else you want to talk about before we say goodbye I don't know man we covered a lot of bases here no we did i'm excited this was a very very productive program today yeah we really we felt that we did a lot of things we hit our home run down that we plan very specifically oh you didn't talk about the election once we know I'm pleased by and that was not an intro to talk about the other of course not too so are you guys are you guys getting into the halloween spirit of things yours you don't rust doesn't like it too much of a hassle oh it's totally awesome i have twin babies at homes right trying to figure out it'd be fun what are we gonna what we're gonna match them as like salt and pepper or catenin by they can what are the sexist of the babies there are they're identical boys to boys yeah so I don't know you could do like a Fred Flintstone Barney Rubble situations yawning Garth Wayne Garth waning ours would be that feels like a lot of work but sure yeah don't use joining ZB Aerosmith had a onesie yeah but the twins language yeah i mean i would say if you you could dress them as the creepy twins from the shining but those are no no no I'm anti creepy twin stuff I'm trying to you know like that's not cool here's Wednesday be kinda creepy i don't want okay no you're not creepy not that creepy looking at oh that's not creepy that's just confusing um so so there are rules about halloween like you you have to be scary no that's not true I be sexy can but I don't like that I think in bone stuff I'm sorry yeah sorry yeah so usually hurt oh Jesus we are the only problem I have with the whole can bone thing he did an ama as I up a spigot it's time to bone down guys clearly because our right how was the most uh the highest voted question for mr. ken Bohn how was this not is first the first question which would which should have been how are you still undecided actually did answer that question needed to be number one why was that not something on the lines of undecided is not uh leaning towards one way or something which I agree is also kind of ridiculous but like I don't know I think a lot of those people in the audience were like oh yeah sure I would be able to ask a question yeah that's what I said about the the Muslim woman they were like how can a Muslim be undecided at this point like that's ridiculous it seems all seemed miraculous I would have also started throwing out like math problems to them just like see what happens be like what's the square root of all trains are going at 60 miles around oh that's right there he would break his brain that's not bad oh yeah how was that question not proposed to mr. bone blows my mind that guy is making to have a chick him is ibaka mom like once you know like the internet manages to like blow people up like as far as I can make him famous all of a sudden be but some people really embrace it in this guy like when nuts over it he uh I'm he claims he's giving a lot of money to charity or is he getting money from well he's younger he's getting no sponsor yeah you got an uber sponsorship and he's getting another one he said ten percent of everything he gets is gonna go to a chair good for him so like I'm talk again again like you all what your charitable I still undecided like what's I just don't get any has a good sense of humor which I like oh yeah good on the internet before yeah he knows what he's doing some time on the oh there's plenty of people on the internet that have no such that you were about themselves so well done yeah he's doing it the right way good for you sir um alright I think with that will say goodbye and thanks to ben fox rubin for joining us where can people follow you on twitter facebook twitter is my handle is ben fox rubin you call you on facebook as well yeah yeah I have a journalist page so it's facebook.com / Ben Fox Rubin yeah I'm just booked in about three weeks yeah it's good for you 30 it's been the most cleansing experience telling you man analogy is the worse it's bad I like a lot of it don't get me wrong but it's also the worst come become a little to consuming it's the best and worst thing that's ever happened to humanity mm-hmm that's well put i mean that i would say alcohol but ok we'll go with technology a birthday cake icing the more than a more the internet than anything else uh and Russ fresh dick we will see you soon as well anything you want to promote real quick yeah working on history oh my god yeah working on a history of to my brother's too which is very exciting oh that is a very I like that but do you know you know the story about that right now so super mario brothers only watch a video well I'm and you guys obviously I into way more detail but that game was never intended to be a mario game yes they basically snow Mario on top of whatever the fellow is called doki doki yo me cojio doki doki panick in japan right now inspired by a carnival inspired world's fair that was held in japan in 1987 and the mascots of that became the mascots of doki doki panick and eventually became super Mother's do and that's why it's so weird it sounds like this guy in Amazon single I hope you turn this into a biosensor you've played that game I'd like remind me with the primaries have been shaken vegetables out of the ground and you drop like a whore so weird were you ever like hmm this has nothing to do with anything they're brothers either I thought it was really creative I never stopped to think that it was super different than the other one is like well it's only really the second big campaign games you're like I may just go to different direction this one I'm okay with that what funny is that they made it so different that they needed to justify it so it's actually all Mario's dream so they justified it that way at the end you see at the end you realize oh it's his dream oh that's why it's so weird but then you think the original game should have been a goddamn dream to be eating mushrooms and turning giant going down pipes yeah that's weird too it is but it all ties into the whole plumber ecosystem though does it he's unclogging those punishment I plumbers and turtles a real relation coming right sewage problem sure you know it's all in the boom-boom what are the way Oh goombahs yes that's what they're called yes little squat way great little time so looking forward to because no one was fantastic time should be up in about a week so keep an eye out on polygon com youtube page all right 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